Sean Foley reveals the secret to better golf | GolfPass

[@GDMan-fb1jx]

Thank you Sean, very helpful, I’m trying to move the ball more forward with my driver and stay behind the ball Thanks George

[@johnhoward8668]

Spectacular. Thank you very much.

[@robsaxepga]

Customization within principle... Awesome.

[@AMGOSUK]

Hi Sean - just bought your vids for us older stiffer guys.

[@benjaminsarmiento8150]

The most amazing part is giving golfers the truth about match ups.

[@GolfCoachJC]

Excellent video Sean, do you not think when you move the ball forward the body is naturally rotated left due to the left hand moving further left and the right arm stretching across the body. Therefore to square the shoulders and create natural arm hang the side bend of the right side is a natural consequence to bring the right elbow further left enabling square alignment.

[@grahamjones7371]

First pro ever to call out what ive been saying for years stance width got to be related to hip/pelvis width not shoulders!

[@aguy3412]

EXCELLENT

[@emncaity]

I guess we're talking about the _insides_ of the feet more or less under the hip joints, not "stance lines under the pelvis." If you look at where his feet are in the "vanilla" spot at about 6:10, the feet are actually outside both hip joints and whole pelvis. He _is_ right on the principle, though.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

Sean Foley "Gave Tiger" exactly what Tiger said Tiger Wanted. Sean was there for observation and feedback.

[@georgekonii2733]

[e-mail] oo9

[@emncaity]

Lot of truth in that.

[@swiftchopper4556]

It's rumoured this was edited down from 14 hours

[@John_Wood_]

he talks some shite

[@pamccann2]

That’s funny!

[@kbuster712]

Great lesson Sean I bought hundreds of dollars of digital products that I cannot access like all of yours that they sold at Revolution Golf I wonder how many of us loyal customers were left holding the bag while Justin Tupper made his millions.

[@joshlynch5676]

I don't get the hatred these people have. Tiger HIRED Foley as a coach, Foley didn't hold him at gunpoint. One might view that as Tiger's own fault. Nevertheless, Foley is still a top tier instructor and the disrespect you guys are giving this man is insane lol. Grow up, children.

[@dustinogden2312]

Well said Josh Lynch.

[@methodicl2673]

Tiger was killing it until coaches started messing with his swing. I don't know why anyone would even think of changing anything of a golfer who is winning. Unless a coach is better than the player he's trying to help he has no business giving any advice whatsoever. Because of coaching good tour pros have faded away and the average golfer has not improved. Coaches can't even agree on what to teach.

[@barryhurst4223]

Flat effect I totally agree coaches teach as if all the biomechanics are correct and are in full sync with the swing but this always leads to steering the club which causes disconnection which(not this video most teaching pros) leads to bad strikes and hitting at the ball.... you wouldn't take a free kick with stood next to the ball if going for goal.... it's really bad that coaches that teach the text book swing and the positions met theses positions are met threw natural movements of momentum. Ya hit the ball with your body same as you throw a tennis ball the body then the arm.... then your swing can be guided as a result of this.....I have been stressed out same as 95% of amatuer golfers for years upon years and have eventually found a coach that teaches the bio mechanics and I have had 2 lessons with him and I have never hit the ball as well and consistent in my life its cost me 75 pounds but because of all this rubbish it feels like I owe him 20000 pounds....each individual will have these movements and positions its triggering them and making us aware of them....

[@emncaity]

@@methodicl2673 Sure. Like, for instance, Jack Grout shouldn't have touched Nicklaus. Stewart Maiden should've left Bobby Jones alone. Stan Thirsk should've refused to do anything with Tom Watson. I mean, just stop. Also, yeah, Woods was killing it, but he also had flaws that showed up too often. His work with Harmon and Haney actually helped him. And he _always_ had a coach of some kind. The reason you would think of changing a golfer who's winning is that he might be able to win more, or if you change something it might help his longevity. It might eliminate or cut way back on his problem shot. Great players are not perfect, and nobody plays to his full potential. Woods lost a lot more tournaments than he won, even with the talented-but-soft fields he was up against. I've been as big a critic of his egotism and his behavior and character problems as anybody, but there's no denying he always wanted to get better and he was willing to work as hard as he could to get there. A good teacher is just part of that picture.

[@Mr.mallaer]

I will never put my body in these theoretical positions and try to force it to relearn something it knows already naturally. No two swings are the same yet they produce similar results. How is that possible if these focus on each body part idea is so great?

[@craig1553]

Jack Nicklaus had the same swing and the same ball position and the same set up for each "full shot" with each club in the bag (except putter of course). Nicklaus shows and explains this in his own video, he doesn't mention spine tilt or any changes when hitting woods. Jack won 18 majors and finished 2nd in Majors on 19 occasions, so he knew a thing or two about how to swing a golf club. I'll take Nicklaus's advice over any coach.

[@Jim_Harwood]

Here here, good point. I have a friend that has been playing for years. He comes "over the top" and the cause of that move is his alignment. He aims so far right that in order to get the ball back on line to the target he has to come "over the top". So instead of correcting his alignment he waxes on and on about "spine angle" and all this other BS. And yes he still comes over the top and always will as long as he continues to miss aim way to the right of the target.

[@pinkeyedinkeye]

Jack was a rare talented person. Modern teaching is based on fact they have learned. Just like all sports, people evolve and technology teaches us things. Trackman has changed the game. His pupil is the #1 ranked player in the world.

[@tpbriplahey7384]

No doubt Jack was greatest of all time but he played with persimmon driver and balata balls Where ideal trajectory was low with high spin to maximize distance. New tech with lower cg drivers and low spin balls mean high launch low spin maximizes distance, diff game now...

[@Jim_Harwood]

Jack was a high ball hitter from 1 wood on down.

[@tpbriplahey7384]

Ya Jack might not mention spine tilt but he's a classic example of reverse c finish which is spine curved away from taeget

[@grahamsampson769]

Tiger has now dismantled everything Foley gave him.

[@mmgmail1]

You're not very intelligent. Tiger won 5 times in one year with Foley, most of them WCGs. None of them happened to be a major, so geniuses like you think he wasn't a good coach.

[@grahamsampson769]

@@mmgmail1 I have never said Foley was not a good coach. My comment was based on a 2011 ESPN article where Foley stated "there was nothing he was doing in his previous swing that made any sense to me." Foley showed zero respect for Hank Haney in my opinion considering Tiger won six majors and had a winning percentage of over 33% during their time together. There is a reason many of the best players still flock to Cowan and Harmon. Experience does count.

[@mmgmail1]

@@grahamsampson769 Fair enough. I'm not sure I'd be using Hank Haney as an example of virtue though and I'm not sure how many of the top players use Haney, if any. In my opinion Foley is the best around in terms of knowledge, but how you quantify that in terms of being the best coach, who knows. I just find it funny though how many people forget those fives wins with a completely different swing.

[@methodicl2673]

Apparently you've never heard of a guy named Jack Nicklaus. Known for the same ball position and same swing with every club.

[@garrettnobles8956]

Flat Effect What Jack said he did and what he actually did were often not the same thing when it came to his swing.

[@wodenoftheangles3339]

@MethodicL - Mr Nicklaus did EXACTLY what Sean advocates in this video. lol

[@vimalmittal5603]

What r u trying to say? Did not get it yet.

[@fentontaylor9021]

Watched the entire video. Still waiting for him to reveal the secret to better golf.......

[@NocyMusic]

Fenton Taylor agree he is full of crap

[@emncaity]

So by "the secret to better golf," we mean "some points on the difference between driver setup versus setup for other shots, and the reasons for that."

[@Klistern2]

DJ hits a massive fade, how is he strait? Also, if you miss fairways, its near impossible for the ave player to even get on the green. Length is nothing unless you can hit fairways.

[@tacogolf]

Klistern2 He's not referring to the ball shape or trajectory Dustin is hitting, he is referring to the end result of the shot

[@masonotp332]

Klistern2 I agree with you

[@robsaxepga]

This was my thought too but he's only talking about distance. When you look at the stats, the straightest drivers usually don't occupy top spots on the money list. He's talking about hitting it far only.

[@TimGoulden]

@@martynzl I'd rather hit 6 iron from the fairway than PW to pitch out from the trees and then hit 6 iron from the fairway.

[@TimGoulden]

@@martynzl alright then. Let me rephrase. I'd rather hit 6 iron from the fairway for my 2nd shot than PW to pitch out from the trees and then hit 9 iron from the fairway for my 3rd shot.

[@SethKash]

Love to know the story about why Tiger changed his “Harmon” swing to Haney and this guy. Was it injury or jealousy of Butch getting too much credit. The swing of the early 2000’s was something to see. Now, not so much.

[@bjk2063]

Good question. I’m am Assuming it was injuries mostly. The Harmon swing he had was something to see but very violent on the body.

[@kbkesq]

If all amateurs took this much care in checking our setup, we’d be far more consistent. Tons of guys i play with play driver too far back.

[@AtEboli]

I'd much rather hit it 240 in the middle of the fairway, than 260 and in the rough or in the trees, or in a hazard.

[@johnclark3697]

Knows his stuff... max REESPECT... if there ever was a secret to this most difficult of games.. it's NEUTRALITY. .... & sadly that can read like a list of DONTS....... That's the way it is....

[@TheBdavis2195]

more like "let me take a smooth natural swing, make it robotic and ill hurt your back in the process"

[@Joeybago12]

Tiger created so much torque, his injuries were destined to happen no matter what

[@emncaity]

@@Joeybago12 Not quite "no matter what." He didn't have to try to hit 6-irons 200 yards instead of 5-irons or controlled 4-irons. Guys like Snead and Nicklaus knew that if you wanted to keep winning tournaments for decades, you don't go all-out crazytime max-out on every swing. This entire generation of players is headed for all kinds of trouble.

[@Joeybago12]

@@emncaity you're a moron...

[@kbkesq]

stephen f golf is just bad for the back. All pros have back issues unless they’re hyper mobile like Adam Scott. Jack Nicklaus is a terrible example- he had and has awful back issues and hip and he’s about 8” shorter now.

[@emncaity]

@@kbkesq Nicklaus (who actually _is_ something like a couple of inches shorter -- not eight, but still) is a _perfect_ example, in fact, because it's exactly the point that his body was naturally inclined to get arthritic, and yet he managed to be good enough in late 50's to make a run at the Masters and to be a winner on the senior tour at least 20 years after he started getting serious back problems. His earliest back problems, he said, came about specifically because of what he did as a younger player. He altered that as he went along, with the specific intent of lasting longer -- and he did. It's well-established that 1) players of previous generations went at the ball with something less than all-out effort; 2) players of previous generations were far less concerned with whether they were hitting the shortest possible iron to cover a given distance, as opposed to picking a club that would cover the distance comfortably with something less than max-out effort; 3) players today swing distinctly harder at the ball; and 4) with right technique, the gains you get from an all-out effort versus something that feels more like 80% are nowhere near proportional; some players find their distances are about the same, or only a club or half-club different at most, _and_ their accuracy goes up when they scale back just that right amount, so that all the extra effort for marginal-at-best improvements in distance, and often a dropoff in accuracy, really isn't helping their games at all, and is putting their bodies at risk for no exchange in value. It's also apparent that some of these younger players are having musculoskeletal trouble at younger ages than they used to. I'm convinced that some of this is attributable to the influence of TV. In an era when young players saw little golf, often without mention of a specific club or distance, and when the players seemed unconcerned with how far they were hitting any particular iron, a developing young golfer wasn't getting the message that "absolute minimum iron possible and hardest swing possible" were important. That's radically different now. As for whether golf is generally bad for the back, mostly you're right, of course. There's no getting away from the fact that there are torquing forces even in Snead's "85%" ideal which, over time, can have an effect. But that's even more reason to be disciplined and careful about swing technique and an approach to distance that doesn't require maximizing the damage.

[@trythinkingforachange4201]

Oh great - the secret to better golf - finally revealed. I guess that means all the other 'secrets' are obsolete now - Ha ha ha ha ha

[@MrBarrynicholas]

No wonder he charges by the hour.

[@emncaity]

yup

[@Hammy135]

Haven’t seen anyone tee a drive down that low since the 80’s

[@jamesfitzgerald6636]

Hammy135 ... teeing low helps one hit a Fade! V shape swing as opposed to U shaped swing when the ball is teed high

[@marctesio4262]

every good driver of the ball has his nose over his right knee at the top of the swing, and they throw the club as fast as possible.

[@marctesio4262]

I'm happy you disagree with me, I know I'm onto something!

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

Marc Tesio I like that Marc

[@안상현-f8k]

I sorry to tell you that I don't think it the secret, but the basic. Good lesson anyway.

[@chestermicek]

What a dunce! The one thing you want with the driver is to have the lowest part of the swing at about the same place as the lowest part of your swing with the seven iron. You must be swinging down with the seven iron at impact, but you must be swinging up with the driver at impact. And you will, if the lowest part of your swing is at about the same place as your seven iron. Two things will help you do that: a) your weight must be 95% on your left foot when you hit the seven iron, however, your weight should be about 65%/35% on your left/right foot with the driver. I'd describe this as "hanging back a bit with the weight transfer when swinging the driver", and b) your shoulders at address with the seven iron must be level; whereas, with the driver, your right shoulder is lower than your left. This shoulder imbalance helps to achieve the swing dynamic I just recommended. Foley's advice isn't worth the price of the electricity you just used to watch it.

[@cianreyes8820]

All this coming from a guy who basically ruined tiger's swing. No thanks bro!

[@danielfernandez7280]

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[@methodicl2673]

Who in their right mind would take a 300 yard drive into the woods or the deep rough or at best a bunker over 240 in the fairway? What a dumb ass statement! I guess when the pros choose to hit a 3W or an iron to get it in play they are unaware of the HUGE advantage of playing from hazards.

[@cameronpope8523]

Wanna hit blocks? Reverse K.

[@garthdownton8645]

I am a r k player! You are absolutely correct! A blocked shot is the miss but if you understand how to initially set up the lower body all is good! If you have one miss in golf you are rare animal! The correction on the course is easy for the next shot! Hard to be perfect in this game!

[@cameronpope8523]

Garth Downton I’m not saying you have to be perfect. I’m just saying in my experience, I experimented with a reverse K for awhile just trying to get my AOA more up on the driver and my ratio of blocks to good shots wasn’t that great. Lol

[@SammyAmps]

The secret of better golf?...Dont listen to Sean Foley....he has crippled more golfers than arthritis 😎

[@wtgerrez]

Tiger won 5 time that year with him. Hard to justify saying Foley isn't a good coach. J Rose is hitting it fine as well.

[@henrystevensoniii5482]

I agree!!!!.Foley is Awesome!

SammyAmps Yep , he's a sexual intellectual aka a fucking know it all

[@emncaity]

Yup, no secrets here at all, and certainly not "the" secret to anything.

[@brianmcg321]

It's like every golf term he knows just dumps out of his mouth. But in no particular order.

[@emncaity]

Not ragging on Foley specifically, but this is what almost all golf instruction is like now -- piles of jargon and pop-biomechanics and whatever else. People would do way better to stop playing "endless swing theory" and start playing golf. Seeking out a teacher more like Harvey Penick, John Jacobs, Ernest Jones, Vivien Saunders, Bob Toski, Jim Flick, some of those people would help more people than the endless parade of what you see now, mostly. Which is not to say that Foley hasn't helped people. Clearly he has, and it's not like Woods knows nothing about the game. But people really aren't become better players on the whole because of the kind of teaching that goes on now, with endless improvements in clubs and balls, forgiveness, and so on. Mainly there's just a lot of money in endless reshuffling of terminology, videos and other technology, complication, etc.

[@kirkkasper7508]

There is no secret, grip and address people... Moe Norman is someone who had side-bend at address

[@merkin691]

TMI

[@arnavjain3192]

Why is this so complicated what in the world

[@andrefecteau]

Cmon Sean, it's a putting game, not a long drive contest, TV golf is killing real golf. Few can swing the modern 46" drivers, let alone putt.

[@stevensicherman4101]

People who used to hit persimmon woods are probably dead

[@MultiCklee]

so much non relevant chattering

[@Dreama40]

Totally agree, he took 7 mins to tell us to play the ball off the left instep and tilt our shoulders without to wide or narrow a stance. So much waffle....

[@1b0o0]

How is the only coach that could not make Tiger win a Major a reference and a respected instructor? GTFO.

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

two students under foley had back surgery. what I know off. 2010 he said people was clueless about what he taught Tiger, we know the story. plz defend him more

[@1b0o0]

martynzl I guess FIR gets you Majors... (NOT!)

[@1b0o0]

martynzl before you keep talking shit you should look up PGA stats, a site that debunks your shit post in one minute. bit.ly/2J4Lf9E Tiger Woods under Sean Foley RESULTS 2010: 2 top 10 (12 events) 2011: 2 top 10 (9 events) 2012: 3 wins / 9 top10 (19 events) 2013: 5 wins / 8 top10 (16 events) 2014: 1 top25 (7 events) DRIVING DISTANCE 2010: #1 Robert Garrigus 315.5 / Tiger Woods (not listed) 2011: #1 J.B Holmes 318.4 / Tiger Woods (not listed) 2012: #1 Bubba Watson 315.5 / Tiger Woods #32 297.4 2013: #1 Luke List 306.3 / Tiger Woods #49 293.2 2014: #1 Bubba Watson 314.3 / Tiger Woods (not listed) So you are the dumb fuck, sir. Have a great day. xD

[@1b0o0]

Tiger was 18 yards shorter than Bubba. EIGHTEEN YARDS YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. Justin Rose has never ranked #1 in driving distance in his life. Jesus fucking Christ, you are thicker than your fucking divots.

[@mangoman2148]

martynzl I'm not trying to take sides here, but 'total driving' is a deeply flawed statistic. It is not mathematically sound to simply add together rankings from different categories, as that stat does with distance and accuracy. Strokes Gained: Off the Tee is the best measure of driving performance we currently have.

[@TweedSuit]

Tiger don't need no driver - he scores 64 without it.

[@jofinsky8400]

Care to know the real secret to golf? It's quite simple! Just ... oh wait ... phone ringing ... be back later...

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

stop teaching golf please

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

Just stop

[@smileyallday7961]

@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy This made our evening... whew... 5 minutes of laughter. 6 words... nothing left to say. :) Wait, I'll add one... télos

[@Romband1919]

Foley so annoying