The Monster's Den: Horror Sequels That Really Suck

[@jeffreyrobinson9120]

I can`t tell you how much I enjoy these Monsters Den shows with Pete and Chris. First off, you guys always get me laughing. Second is all the great movie recommendations. What to watch, and as in this show, what to stay away from. Keep pumping them out.

[@chuckpriselac7958]

Rosemary’s Baby sequel was awful

[@trevdowson5810]

Many thanks to you Chris and Pete, you are the highlight of the week, also I'm NOT a robot that comments to swell the ratings or whatever, I'm a human being that can't miss the Monster's Den.

[@stevepoleri7604]

I think everyone probably has seen this quote from Michael Caine on Jaws 4. - "Somebody said, 'Have you ever seen Jaws 4?' I said, 'No. But I've seen the house it bought for my mum. It's fantastic!'"

[@robertsaul234]

I recall him missing the Academy Awards (he won) because he was on location shooting Jaws 4 (or it could have been Beyond the Poseidon Adventure). He's not one to miss a payday.

[@richardpeiser4359]

That is really funny Steve!(thanx) ...Every Jaws sequel suffered from diminishing returns... The only good thing about Jaws 2 is Roy Sheider and that's it(not the screenplay, not the shark, etc.)...It's too bad that Spielberg didn't do it, but he had already made his all-time masterpiece with the original... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@Jermeister12]

In his 1st bio Mr.Caine talked about it 😀

[@RueMorgueDweller]

Book of Shadows : Blair Witch 2 is another sequel that was not great. And what sucks is that it Joe Berlinger, who did the Paradise Lost documentaries, original idea for the sequel was much more interesting than what we got, and the studio completely screwed it all up with the constant camera cuts, inconsistent pacing, and dated Nu Metal soundtrack. I will say the only thing(s) about BW2 i still find enjoyable were the film's score, the film's atmosphere, and Kim Director as the goth chick in the movie. I do wish we would get a director's cut of the movie in the future.

[@TheMrHavish]

Exorcist 2: The Heretic. It has none of the scares or iconic moments of the original. An American Werewolf in Paris. Whereas the original London movie was a great movie that blended horror with comedy to great effect, had likeable characters you cared about along with groundbreaking FX and iconic scenes, the Paris sequel is the complete opposite. The sequel just felt like a bland 90's teen slasher movie with terrible-looking (even for their time) CGI werewolves thrown in.

[@lionelraoul]

Exorcist 2 is the absolute ultimate in hateful sequels of any genre.

[@BackwoodsFilms]

Werewolf in Paris is really lame and totally forgettable.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

I do like it for some strange reason, it's goofy and terrible for sure when compared directly to the original but I do tend to watch it from time to time.

[@richardpeiser4359]

@@lionelraoul Hey LR... Shout out to you for keeping it real!... Exorcist 2 (The Hairy Tick, as William Friedkin denouces it) is utter garbage....I mean, talk about the greatest miscast in movie history with.... wait for it, wait for it... Richard Burton as a Father Priest!.... Throughout the movie, the man looks like he would rather be anywhere else but reading that dreadful screenplay....Brain bulb 💡, locust storms, James Earl Jones as some sort of Zulu warrior(what else did I leave out??) , it is the #1 GOAT WORST sequel ever... Take Care, Ghostrider Ricki

[@glaeken777]

@@richardpeiser4359 Burton didn't want to be there because of his breakup with Liz and struggles with alcohol overtaking his life. He also wasn't the first choice for the role, Jon Voight was (and would've made more sense). Linda Blair was also vocal that the original script was indeed good but constant rewrites ruined it. I'd blame Rospo Pallenberg for those, and Boorman for not reining his creative collaborator in. In the end, E2 is a mess...but it's a gorgeous-looking one, with a great Morricone musical score, and it raises spiritual themes that are less in-your-face and heavy-handed than the original.

[@ChiefWiggum08151]

Chris and Pete in the Monster's Den. It can't get any better. Would love to see an episode about your favorite body horror movies (mainly with practical effects).

[@lahloonatic]

Can we agree that most great movies were not conceived with a sequel in mind? It’s hard to make a cash grab that doesn’t suck balls.

[@MrFrikkenfrakken]

I agree Luis but occasionally it does happen example Alien (real horror movie) to Aliens (more an action film but good horror elements) but of course they sink the ship with a run of terrible 'sequels.'

[@hipoint4599]

Hey Pete and Chris nice show! I'd like a similar show which Pete alluded to with The Hills Have Eyes. How about a top 10 Best and Bottom 10 Worst horror film remakes? I think that would be an interesting one.

[@andrewmaplethorpe1125]

The Descent part 2 made even LESS sense here in the UK as ALL the original characters were killed in the UK ending but the sequel follows the USA version of the film.

[@chrisalo2989]

Good point! I was going to bring that up!

[@alexandergilles8583]

All the Jaws sequels. 2 isn’t awful, but man, Jaws 3D and Jaws: The Revenge are ATROCIOUS. The Rage: Carrie 2 also is a stinker. Some of the later Friday’s are AWFUL (looking at you Jason Takes Manhattan and Jason X!)

[@preving]

agreed. I liked Jaws 2. I went and saw Jaws The Revenge back in 1987 at the Cineplex. Thought it was really good as a child. Now....not so much so

[@63mckenzie]

I love Michael Caine's reply when he was asked if he liked Jaws the Revenge. He said no, but he liked the house he bought with the money he got for making the movie.

[@alexandergilles8583]

@@63mckenzie that’s an awesome response

[@CaretakerWanted]

Jaws is one of those movies where a sequel will be the definition of redundancy. Of course, that was/is the case.

[@alexandergilles8583]

@@CaretakerWanted oh absolutely. Jaws 2 isn’t 110% garbage, but it IS 110% unnecessary

[@abe3802]

But Excorsist lll is quite good if you ask me.

[@Redrum1981]

I agree 👍

[@mvjonsson]

It is a masterpiece.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

I also agree

[@TheMrHavish]

Exorcist 3 is very underrated and its the only worthy sequel to the original.

[@mvjonsson]

It is a very dark and disturbing story compared to The Exorcist (1) which at least had some glimmer of hope.

[@Gregbaltzer]

Frankenstein meets the Wolfman with Bela Lugosi as Frankenstein's monster.

[@metaldams78]

That movie starts out great - like The Wolf Man sequel we should have completely gotten. Then they run into the Monster and they butchered it. They have their moments, but the Monster Rallies overall are a disappointment until they met Bud and Lou.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

The first graveyard scene is awesome but the film quickly dies a slow death, so to speak.

[@chrisflood9205]

Are you crazy

[@Gregbaltzer]

@@chrisflood9205 So you think that a really short Bela Lugosi who had all his lines redubbed made for a good Frankenstein movie? I think you might be the crazy one

[@Gregbaltzer]

I really need to watch the movie again. I only watched it once in my box set. I just didn't like Bela Lugosi as Frankenstein's monster. I thought it was an odd choice. Bela is more suited for Quasimodo than the statuesque Frankenstein.

[@MrMusic193]

Hey Chris, off topic. What you do think of the 2nd disc of the new Iron Maiden album???

[@chrisalo2989]

Hey Mr Music, I have only listened to the new Maiden a few times. So far, disc 1 or 2, I'm not really that impressed, to be honest.

[@lahloonatic]

I have been waiting for this episode. Epic!

[@meloralovesdarkness2495]

Yeah, on Paper and literature Alien VS Preditor should have been Spectacular! Unfortunately they were not.

[@skippy1138]

Good picks guys but here's mine to add: Scanners II, Scanners III, Pet Sematary Two, any Hellraiser movie beyond the fourth one, Creepshow 3, Firestarter 2, Carrie 2.......

[@DonHornsby]

I wish that studios would learn the one-and-done principle. Otherwise, we wouldn't have to talk about the subpar sequels. For every "Empire Strikes Back", there is an "Exorcist: The Heretic".

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey Don... You are on point wit dat!... By the way, you mean Exorcist 2--The Hairy Tick(courtesy of Friedkin)!

[@Jamesharris-lo9nn]

I love the fact that you guys have the same appreciation for Salem's Lot that I do. If your interested someone recently posted on KZbin an excellent hour long documentary on the film. It's titled The Story Of Salem's Lot. 👹👹👹

[@KEVANDJACKFRIGHTS]

Fun fact; Only the American ending had Sarah survive in The Descent. The actual ending was when she escaped it was just in her mind, and the real movie ends with her still down in the caves staring a a lit torch with her thinking she is seeing her daughter with a birthday cake. Her actual descent,into madness.Which makes the sequel even more redundant!

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

Very true, they had to go with the US ending in order to make a sequel at all.

[@spoteach]

After all those stories about his garage I'm left with one big question: does Chris Alo own a giant car of just a very tiny bike?

[@chrisalo2989]

Gunter it's a very small car. Of course, because of all the stuff in the garage!

[@LSPalm]

@@chrisalo2989 Do you guys know Jerry Only and the Misfits gang? Speaking of Monster's lol

[@incarnate6779]

Problem with The Heretic is it originally started off with a kick-ass script - especially the ending/climax. Then the cuts and re-writes because of time and budget and what ended up being released was a complete night and day from the original idea/script. All the blame goes to the big wigs at Warner. The wanted another Exorcist film and they wanted it to make the kind of money the original pulled in but were too stupid and greedy and forgot to make money you gotta spend money. I really really hope that story of how audience members chased studio execs out of the theater and down the street is true, lol.

[@b.g.5869]

Going from being possessed by the devil to some sort of African tribal spirit of flying things was a major downgrade in fright factor (as in not scary at all) and those interminable scenes with Linda Blair and Richard Burton wearing those blinking headsets were just awful.

[@incarnate6779]

@@b.g.5869 I don't disagree with you one bit. But since learning quite a bit about how the film got made and the problems the director and screen writer faced and had to deal with it's a wonder it got made at all. The film you saw was not the film it was supposed to be. Not at all.

[@mdlatham]

This is quickly becoming my fav SOT show. Does Martin popoff watch horror?

[@robertsaul234]

The Halloween movies weren't intended to be Michael Myers stories. III was going to be the start of a series of films where the unifying theme was that they are set at Halloween. Audiences were confused so they went back to it being the Michael Myers saga.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

Didn't the release company screw up on the ratios of the Halloween sequels in the Blu-ray set Chris showed, full screen there but on DVD these movies are all in their correct ratios.

[@tomsuzyinfluencerinfj2712]

Halloween 3, totally different but one of my faves, excellent ending. Kill all the children, what's not to like. And the music is awesome. Forgot to mention, the ending of course, will the TV station make it in time and turn off???

[@BackwoodsFilms]

So Chris got the blu ray of Exorcist II because it has both versions -- the 117 minute version and the 102 minute version. Gotta make sure you get those extra 15 minutes of absolute crap? Haha

[@chrisalo2989]

Gotta have it!!!

[@ilj1259]

Exorcist 2 is the worst sequel of all time. Honorable Mentions: Fright Night 2 (The sister wants revenge.... bad idea) Jaws sequels All Halloween movie except for the most recent one. Dont Be Afraid of the Dark (is it a sequel or a re-imagine) Prom Night 2 The Omen sequels The Howling 2

[@sadekx5251]

Chris, I also put Salem's Lot in my top TH's filmography but I always have a blast with the sequel. It's SO Larry Cohen and Moriarty as always is fucking awesome ! Also, That new version of I spit On Your grave is the 4th one in the newer remake/sequel series ! the first reboot was actually pretty good.

[@chrisalo2989]

I guess I will have to watch Return to Salem's Lot again. But yep, the other I Spit's, that was a remake. This new one is a direct sequel to the original. And whew, it stinks like a dead fish rotting in the summer sun!

[@paulh6673]

I'm like ahh, Chris and Pete, the dream team. Then I think, hang on, Pete and Martin are also the dream team. Then I remember the Jamie/Mike/Dan/Pete line-ups - how can that be topped? And the Simon/Steven/Pete 'Homework' and Manowar vids - absolute comedy gold! Haven't even got to the various iterations of the Hudson Valley Squares and Prog seats. All I'm saying is I'm glad I don't have to rank my favourites. (And we need more of Rich!)

[@TheMrHavish]

I agree with you guys about the Hellraiser sequels, but at least 2 respects the world and Pinhead's presentation created in Barker's original. He wasn't even a "villain" in the first two, but a tool used by Frank and Julia - the real actual villains. Afterwards, they turned Pinhead into Freddy Krueger with body-piercings which totally misses the point of the original character.

[@markandersen793]

Where do we start: sequels to Friday The 13th, Nightmare On Elm Street, Exorcist, Conjuring & Halloween, money is the only motivation for sequels, once you reel the fans in for the original, they keep coming back no matter how bad the sequel is.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Mark.. Excellent point on the che-ching comment... I mean, look at the Transformers franchise... The original is a whole lot of fun(however, I still contend that they should have cut a full 30 minutes out-----probably from that ending which never seems to end----and it would have been perfect)... Each sequel got louder 🔊 and louder 🔊 as well as more uninteresting... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@manuelper]

Picking The Exorcist 2 as a bad sequel makes me think of another good idea for a show Pete: Good movies with a terrible sequel but another damn good movie in the series, because Exorcist 3 is awesome.

[@damiankarras]

Next episode: great horror films that you’re shocked they never made a sequel for

[@lazarebedukadze7244]

As a kid i used to love the wrong turn franchise, but growing up I kinda realized that after the second movie they never put any care into the storyline it was just senseless gore and to me the timeline, backgroynds and what not of the cannibals just doesn't really add up. The film just exists for brutality. The first film is better, plus the makeup done on the brothers is by far the best in the franchise. Love all of these shows Pete!

[@markfurru3368]

Here's one I bet some of you don't even know exists: The Birds 2: Land's End. It's really fucking lame! Oh, and here's some fun trivia about Critters 3: it was Leo's first film!

[@Dagger-Deep]

I'm a little surprised you guys don't like sleepaway camp parts 2 & 3, I think they are so much fun.

[@horrorstateofmind2724]

Guilty pleasures for me..lol especially teenage wasteland

[@joecarroll3371]

A truly bad sequel is Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare (1991). Just god awful with a really horrible story. Another pick is Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation (1994). Part of a franchise that I'm not all that jazzed about. Also, avoid most of the Saw franchise. Torture Porn isn't really my thing.

[@rickyboy591]

Great entertainment as well as knowledgeable insight into what’s bad and what’s good . Cris is so funny he should be on the stage ‘ really enjoyed it 😂

[@b.g.5869]

Basket Case is supposed to take place in Staten Island, which is very like the Hudson Valley area. At least it was. The guy that made it was from Staten Island (the original at least was filmed there). But I digress...

[@lateramae]

I don't like that the only survivor from the first 'Carrie' dies in 'Carrie 2'! I haven't seen any of 'The Exorcist' films, but the first film had a good conclusion (based on what I've read), so it didn't make sense for them to make a second film.

[@andrewsmith4620]

The obvious choice is The Exorcist 2. When your sequel gets booed out the theatre, you know it sucks! I'd also add The Blair Witch Project 2 and, what might be a very unpopular opinion, Halloween II (1981). To me, making Michael Myers and Laurie Strode related to each other was stupid, and it completely killed the magic/ mystery of the original story in my eyes.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Andrew... Great call on H#2..It has NONE of the energy, pace, or imagination of the original.. It looks and feels like a made for TV film... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@mikeryanmikeryan4740]

Hi Pete and Chris. Great show as always. Very entertaining.

[@jfly1705]

Shad attack 3 - there is a scene where the shark swallows a guy riding a jet ski. Also the shark swallows a huge raft with like 10 people in it with one bite

[@janpoelkamp4229]

The Blair Witch and Paranormal Activity (from 3 on) movies should’ve gotten a mention. But keep up the good work, guys!

[@metaldams78]

All Monsters Attack (1969). The tenth film in the Toho Godzilla series plays out like an after school special. More of a focus on a kid with neglectful parents getting bullied and whatever monster footage there is is stock footage. Lame as Hell. I bought the Criterion set, watched them in order and was in shock at how awful and different in tone this film was to what came before.

[@Daniel-415-Ponce]

To be fair, this movie (known as "Godzilla's Revenge" in the American market) was always intended to be both specifically for children and distinct from all the other films in the Godzilla series. I can attest that for me and the other kaiju fans in the neighborhood when we were young kids it was our favorite Godzilla film, so evidently the director had succeeded with respect to his target audience. It is also worth noting that this is one of the very few Japanese Godzilla films of the Showa era that was actually greatly improved by the English language soundtrack for the American market including some new original music.

[@metaldams78]

I first saw the movie in my early forties. I have no idea what it’s like to view the film through a child’s eyes. You definitely have a different perspective as a result and I can imagine that making a huge difference.

[@timt2202]

A Nightmare On Elm Street 2 was not all that good but I could see that being done today with Freddy possessing people and doing really well

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

There's an odd fascination with this movie for me, on one side it's complete trash with a made for TV feel on top of that yet it's strangely watchable. So I did hate it way back for its cheapness but since warmed to it.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Tim... Yeah, Nightmare 2 freaking sucks!(I truly dislike that film, it has no imagination, no script, absolutely nothing going for it) ... At least they redeemed themselves with 3, which is excellent... Take Care

[@Gregbaltzer]

Night of the Demons 3. Any Children of the Corn sequel. Any Puppet Master movie after the 4th one. I have a guilty pleasure with all the Tremors movies, but I hated the director who did the last 2. Since when did all the graboid attacks need to be in slow motion? Woman in Black 2. OMG it was so boring! All the Lost Boys sequels with Cory Feldman talking like The Dark Knight. Pumpkinhead 2. Probably one of my most hated sequels, but it wasn't originally meant to be a Pumpkinhead movie.

[@donnybrookdetritus]

Thank you for another great episode! Now I know what to avoid!

[@marclahn7072]

Although I originally hated it (and it's not what I'm here about), I'll say that I've come to "mildly" appreciate the second Exorcist (Heretic), and Chris is right, the Scream Factory release is nice b/c of the inclusion of both cuts. It's a quality release. And p.s. Linda Blair never looked better than she did then, in the mid to later 70s. So there's that. The film's not all that horrible. Overall though, it's a quasi-boring and confusing shell of the original. Should have been much better. BUT....... "Exorcist III" (1990) is not only great, I put it up there with the iconic/classic 70s horror films. It's got that kind of palpable essence of good & evil and the powerful, hair raising effect of true fright! Not to mention the quality and panache of those well made horror films of the past. The movie marries all of those excellent cinematic qualities to the acting chops of George C. Scott, Brad Dourif and Viveca Lindfors. Saw it in the theater with my 12 year old nephew in 1990. We were loving everything about it, enjoying another great day with a matinee scare flick feature.......and then, that ultimately frightening scene with the hooded nun and the giant surgical shears happened. Joel (my nephew), for real, jumped out of his seat in stunned fear. He then insisted that we leave. Not sure I've ever seen any human being as freaked and scared as Joel that day, in that moment. Once we were outside in the sunshine, he started chilling down and eventually wanted go back in to watch the rest. So we did. And this is one of great things about horror movies. Good ones. Especially when you first experience them in your youth. They become a sort of "nostalgic badge of honor" for the rest of your life. Joel always remembered that day together and that scene remained as his favorite and most scary of all time. I personally find that "killer nun" scene to be the true show stopper, within a film that delivers on all levels. And I think this particular moment of fright works so beautifully (in horror terms) because of the way Blatty takes such delicate, deliberate (and quiet) time in leading up to that perfectly executed moment. It occurs later in the film as well, when you're not really expecting such a shock. Moreover, he expertly delivers a jump scare earlier in this scene, so your more in a state of calm trust when it happens. Just brilliant!! If only all (or most) sequels were as fantastic as The Exorcist III. Marc ⚡ p.s. the great Viveca Lindfors, in that small, but highly effective roll as the catatonic nurse....that sends some shivers up the spine as well And the score too. Excellent score. Great sound! The score really drives home the scares in some of these impactful scenes.

[@hansgraichen8051]

I know a huge creature feature fan that loves the first 4 critters films (yes, even the 4th). He absolutely hated the 5th one and it made him angry.

[@gwts1171]

I actually really enjoyed Howling V. It has nothing to do with the other films, but I find it a lot of fun. Also - fun story - I have a friend who worked on American Werewolf In Paris (she hates it) and I have brought it up as often as possible for the last 23 years or so whenever I feel like "knocking her down a peg". Thanks for the video, guys!

[@chrisalo2989]

Wow, I didn't know there even was a Howling 5. I think I stopped at Part 4, the Original Nightmare.

[@therealzeldamasterofminecr2434]

​@@chrisalo2989goes up to 8 I believe lol

[@oskarklang8616]

Every Halloween film after 2.Rob Zombies Devils Rejects was complete crap.

[@itsmedrooms6071]

I’d look into some of the Phantasm sequels. I just re-watched the original movie which I like partly on a sentimental level, but I haven’t seen any of the sequels in years and I don’t remember any of them enough to accurately comment.

[@Gregbaltzer]

I enjoyed the first 3. Phantasm 5 was probably one of my hugest disappointments.

[@petrilampela]

I think Phantasm 2 is on par with the first one actually. It could actually be my favourite of the series if they didn't change the main actor.

[@ghostlightx9005]

Without exception, all of the Phantasm sequels are good or excellent (P2 is obviously the bets of them all and P5 the worst). However, each one of them expands on the world admirably.

[@krisjb1]

“Terrible” ahh ha ha ha! So funny. Nice job guys. Put it on a t-shirt. Oh I’m crying.

[@jasonmarkham2592]

I loved Critters 1-2...but that's it.

[@magicbus63]

Rob Zombie Halloween II Friday The 13th Part 2 JAWS 2 The Exorcist 2 The Heretic

[@petrilampela]

I actually love Halloween 6. Halloween 5 and H20 are way worse for me. I think part 6 has a great atmosphere. And I'm one of the few who think the theatrical cut is much better than the producer's cut. The massacre scene in the end is so cool and it's not included in the PC at all. Agree with Maniac Cop series though, I love the first one but the second is even better. A pure classic. Watched the third one once and that was enough. Edit: and I agree with Survival of the Dead too, from the first CGI blood spurt I was just waiting for it to end.

[@ashleygeisler1003]

Another fantastic show guys well done. The worst horror movie sequel that stands out for me is the howling 3 the marsupials. An Australian movie disaster

[@Hvymetal4life1]

Hellraiser Bloodline was the “in space” film and as we all know when they have to take a franchise to space - Critters 4, Hellraiser 4, Jason X, Leprechaun 4 - it’s code word for suck. It’s Alive 3 was pretty bad. Return of the Living Dead 4 and 5 were pretty awful. There’s also every Amityville after 2 in my book.

[@mvjonsson]

The Omen 4 is really crappy.

[@guillaumechabason3165]

My favorite word pronunced by Chris is "crocodile"

[@b.g.5869]

You know what really sucked? The 2011 remake of Don't Be Afraid Of the Dark. I know Pete and Chris love the original and want to see a show about it.

[@ilj1259]

The greatest made for tv horror movie ever... the theatrical release was definitely a let down... it could have been really great if it was a direct sequel.

[@b.g.5869]

@@ilj1259 The original Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark made for TV movie is in my opinion the scariest movie ever made, still to this day. I slept with the lights on until I was 30. I'm *still* have nightmares about the little pointy headed bastards.

[@b.g.5869]

@@ilj1259 I think a prequel would be even better.

[@ilj1259]

@@b.g.5869 Or how about the dbaotd creatures vs. Puppet Master figures.

[@MeanMrMayo]

DRACULA'S DAUGHTER is even better than DRACULA. And CREATURE WALKS AMONG US is my favorite of the trilogy.

[@liquidvizionsmadferit]

Donnie Darko 2 aka S. Darko Absolutely terrible.

[@Daniel-415-Ponce]

Yes, it was a total cash grab completely lacking any of the style, charm and atmosphere that made the original so special.

[@13down13]

Hellraiser 3 isn't a terrible movie, but it's not very good either. It's very disappointing because I really like the first two - interesting movies besides being horror movies. I disagree with Chris's comment that Aliens 3 doesn't follow Aliens. It does. He's right that it didn't follow up on a couple things that were established in Aliens, such as Ripley's relationship with the guy and the kid. So it is disappointing in that way. However, it does follow what happened before. The girl from Aliens was also too old to do a sequel that immediately followed - kids grow up faster than adults. So, the sequel would have had to take place a couple years after Aliens ends. Without the kid they were able to follow it right up. I like the first AvP movie. I like how the woman and the Predator team up at the end. The sequel is not very good though, so I agree with Pete's choice. They should have brought back the woman with the scar somehow. The comics did it right.

[@esteeb67]

I recently rewatched the entire Jaws series with my daughter. I told her we didn't need to go past Jaws 2, but she insisted. Revenge sucks, but on rewatch I think 3 is the worst of the bunch. The effects are terrible and it is really boring. At least the 4th is so ridiculous it is fun. The 3D one is not fun at all. Even my 11 year old thinks so.

[@metalmat3651]

Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was complete garbage.

[@David-wo9un]

Pete and Chris, if you read comments please watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre(2003); this stars Jessica Biel and is an excellent horror movie.

[@Daniel-415-Ponce]

Yes, that remake and the subsequent direct-to-DVD prequel were both decent, surprisingly.

[@leejones5026]

I seen a lot of bad sequels in my time. The ones I hate the most are, Alien 3 & Alien Resurrection, Friday The 13th Part 5, Tremors 3 & 4, First Blood and all the sequels that followed it, disliked Die Hard 2 as I liked the 1st and 3rd film the most, Mad Max 2 & Mad Max 3 however I really enjoyed Mad Max Fury Road a lot, Diary Of The Dead is terrible, could have been a lot better. And this one might surprise a lot people but I really didn't like it because the story wasn't good as the first film and has two big plot holes which this film shouldn't even exist in the first place. And that's Terminator 2 Judgment Day. I really enjoyed The Terminator when I saw it for the first time, such a dark yet action packed film with horror elements that told a really well crafted story. T2 on the other hand just throws the story out the window and focus too much on action, quick pace scenes, has this very cheap villain who isn't unstoppable force like the T-800 in the first film and the violence and darkness has been toned down a lot compare to the first Terminator which was very dark. And the two plot holes in T2 are, the time machine used was destroyed and it never shows the resistance rebuilding the time machine or Skynet. 2nd plot hole is the first terminator was destroyed at the end of the first Terminator and yet comes back in T2 like nothing ever happened to him! I really dislike films that bring back characters that were killed off in the first films and them continuing where they left off. Proof that you can't EVER sacrifice action, style or anything without a good story. You need substance in your film, novel, tv show or even a video game to make it work. Then you can throw in whatever you want. But you need a good story to go with it. Doesn't have to be heavily detailed story it can be a simple plot that just works and has all this good stuff. Kind of the same problem I had with John Wick 3, it just all about non-stop action with no story to go on just characters killing each other for the sake of our amusement. However out of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series I felt the 3rd film was the best one. While the 2nd TCM film is goofy at times but has it moments, the 3rd film I really enjoyed the most. And I remember enjoying Alien Vs Predator Requiem for what it was when it came out, I'll have to see it again.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Lee... I'm like totally on board with you on Die Hard 2...Wow, what a stinker of a film!...The problem begins immediately with Bruce Willis who looks completely BORED throughout... It's like the producers said: "Let's get all the original cast members back and recreate the magic of the original."...... Well, we now know there was NO magic left... Alien 3 sucks b/c the beginning 20 minutes of the film sucks!.... It steals the life out of whatever comes next(I still have yet to make it past that point)... Are we watching the same T2?... I'll save that friendly argument with you for another day... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@leejones5026]

@@richardpeiser4359 My problem with Die Hard 2 is they took novel that wasn't part of the series, 58 Minutes by Walter Wager and sliced in characters that won't part of that novel. I mean, is that hard to come up with a script than lazily stealing scenes from another novel? However, Die Hard 3 was a lot better. Yes, Alien 3 sucked! I was so bored and hated it. However, it wasn't David Fincher's fault as he had no control over the script. Glad he didn't quit after that as he went to make such great films like, Seven, Fight Club and Panic Room. But when I watched the 4th Alien film I didn't make it through, halfway it I shut it off because it was making me angry how bad it was.

[@adamross9949]

I'll take Rob Zombies Halloween and Halloween 2 over Halloween 4,5,6,H20,Resurection,Halloween 2018 and most likely Halloween Kills any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[@simonlewis7253]

I watched all the Jaws films in a row a couple of weeks ago. 2 was not as good as I remembered. However 3 was awful; plot, pacing, effects. Nothing was good about it. 4 was bad but nowhere near as bad as three. Once you get over the fact that the brother dies at the beginning and the idea a shark wants revenge, it’s reasonably directed.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

I like Jaws 3 and even the fourth film, none of these sequels though (including the overrated Jaws 2) can hold a candle to the original. Basically, they should've left it alone and never made any sequels at all.

[@kennbrown4638]

Start with Jaws. Jaws 2 wasn't bad but the next two descended into awful and God awful. I like all the Halloween sequels to some degree save one, 6. What the Halloween movies had was a continuity problem after the 1st two. The only tie in with 3 was the concept of Samhain. Michael wrote on the school blackboard and 3 turned into a concept. 4 & 5 were fine. They set up that Laurie died in a car crash leaving a daughter who became Michael's target. 6 showed a true "we really don't know where to go from here moment." So let's just tie it up around a satanic cult concept which was a cop out and pretty well made 6 useless. Liked H20 but it sort of made 4, 5 & 6 irrelevant. Suddenly Laurie is alive and has moved west with a son. No mention of a daughter. The follow up was ok but it put forth an interesting scene where Laurie free falls several stories out of a hospital window. The plot was kinda weak, too. Always got the idea Michael's sole purpose was to track down Laurie and put an end to her existence. So, what was his motivation for going back to the original murder house. His sister is dead. His task was completed. Moving forward, big surprise, Laurie is still breathing and once again has a daughter but no son. And despite all the continuity issues I can still watch all the sequels except 6. It's the only one I don't own.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Good title... "Descent Into Awful"... Me like!

[@visualizeprog2874]

For me, the worst horror sequel is ALSO the worst sequel to any movie of any genre ever..."I Spit on Your Grave: Deja Vu". This is not part of the reboot series, but the actual sequel to the 70s original. It's a movie so inept that one character says that Johnny (the guy who lost his manhood in the bathtub in the first movie) was "like a brother" to him. However, if you do the math, this person would not have even been born yet when Johnny died 40 years earlier, so it's impossible that he ever met Johnny, let alone had some deep brother like connection to him....And did I mention this nonsensical crap rambles on for 2 and a half hours?

[@Leo-ci9kc]

Great topic, so many bad sequels! I would have to say The Ring 2. I loved The Ring but the second one sucked

[@Jermeister12]

I once upon a time April/May 2002 .To kill time before a concert I went and saw Halloween X.OMG it was bad ,but it was also funny😀😀

[@samhouston1979]

i (unfortunately) watched Halloween 6 in the theater but…is the one with Busta Rhymes one any better?

[@treybenton2392]

I enjoy Halloween 6 quite a bit.

[@JIF882]

Surprised that Pete likes Critters 3, and Chris likes Maniac Cop 2. The only bad thing about Maniac Cop 2 is that Bruce Campbell is killed in the beginning. Brad Dourif and Angela Bassett are in Critters 4, and Leonardo DiCaprio is in part 3.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

Maniac Cop 2 is okay, its Blu-ray is a yucky mess though with an all-new modernized grading.

[@edwardwille3986]

C'mon Chris!!! I love ya bro, but even though Return To Sleepaway Camp is a terrible movie woven within the kills, you gotta admit that there are some VERY inventive kills in this movie! The ending is absolutely EPIC!!!! The kills are as good here, in the cheesy 90s/ early 2000s, as Saw is in the years to come! 🙂

[@1Vettefan]

Prom Night 2 is pretty good. I was surprised also how good it is.

[@finslaw]

The worst is Brahms: The Boy 2. A rare horror sequel that somehow manages to worsen the original.

[@Jamesharris-lo9nn]

What's really amazing is that in regards to most films (especially Horror) the original is virtually always superior. The Horror genre is littered with inferior follow up efforts. 👹👹👹

[@jasoneubank514]

1)Annabelle Comes Home 2)Candyman: Day of the Dead 3)Friday the 13th: A New Beginning 4)Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare 5)Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers 6)Messengers 2: The Scarecrow 7)Psycho III 8)Poltergeist II: The Other Side 9))The Descent Part 2 10)Seed of Chucky 11)I Spit on Your Grave: Deja Vu 12)Firestarter part 2 Rekindled 13)The Last Exorcism Part II 14)Jaws The Revenge

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

I can agree with most of those being quite poor, except Psycho III which in retrospect (just watched them again recently) is really as good as P2 if not better in holding up today.

[@richardpeiser4359]

@@LarryFleetwood8675 In total agreement with u Larry, the Psycho series from 1-3(4 not so good) is a blast.. The original Psycho(not the pointless and lame remake) is truly remarkable(1961 for goodness sakes!).... Transvestites, Mother complexes, Kitchen knives the size of an axe, murder and mayhem----- Hitchcock's ultimate masterpiece!..Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@joedolenza7944]

Educational and entertaining as always lol! Great show!

[@meanjoe4299]

I like the Descent 2. I think it's because I liked the first one so much I wanted more

[@grooveyerbouti]

You should check out bloodbath at the house of death funny as. Is it good probably not but Vincent price is loving it and film is bonkers.

[@patrickmurphy1803]

The covers of many of these movies are fantastic, but it's ends there,collectors can be easily duped into buying them,I've been burned so many times

[@Danimal77]

How about an episode where you guys discuss your favorite horror sequels?

[@paulhetrick1759]

The Return Of The Boogeyman Any of the Leprechaun movies after part 3 Amityville Witches 2001 Maniacs

[@Grandizer8989]

You guys should dedicate a show to your favorite jump scares of all time

[@cleftturnip7774]

sam fuller is great in return to salems lot. fun movie. i have no idea where chris is coming from. i didn't really think any of these were that bad.

[@jasonmarkham2592]

Speaking of "Alligator". What's your opinion on the latest "Crawl"?

[@davidvonduesseldorf4527]

Crawl is better than Alligator

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

I do enjoy the 1990 Alligator sequel quite a bit, it's obviously a few feet below the first film in overall quality for sure but it's still fun to watch this much-too-good-for-the-material cast get down and dirty in the undergrounds. It's actually one of the few stinker sequels I have no problem recommending, when needing 90 minutes to kill, you could do a lot worse. Say, The Hidden 2.

[@deanleslie3269]

Strangely enough,the only two I can think of are sequels to two David Cronenberg films; The Fly 2 and Scanners 2.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Dean... I absolutely luv the original Scanners.... It's lean and mean, maybe Cronenberg's best film ever, although Dead Ringers comes dang close... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@deanleslie3269]

@@richardpeiser4359 Love it ,too,but I love most of his movies,actually!He's so unique. Videodrome holds a special place in my heart for some strange reason.Take care!

[@richardpeiser4359]

@@deanleslie3269 Videodrome is terrific, something of a thinking man's film....Its not afraid to tackle subjects like the influence of media on society, the subversive effect of TV on our minds, all sorts of things... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@ghostlightx9005]

The most disappointing horror sequel, in terms of the drop in quality from the original, that I've ever experienced has to be Freddy's Revenge. At least Hill Have Eyes 2 has a ton of "so bad it's good" qualities (dog has flashback for example). Freddy's Revenge is just no fun and boring as hell.

[@richardpeiser4359]

Hey, Pete/Chris... What about all the Transformers Sequels?... I mean, the first one is an utter blast(still probably too long at 2.5 hours, they could have cut 30 minutes from it and had a perfect film!)... HOWEVER, all of the sequels simply got louder and louder as well as less and less interesting:::::: Honorable mention - - - - Doctor Sleep, the sequel to the final word in horror films, the incomparable The Shining.... WHAT A DOG of a film, avoid it at all costs if you haven't seen..... Take Care, Ghostrider Rick

[@chrisflood9205]

I have tried to watch the exorcist twice I have fallen asleep both times before the legendary parts happen

[@williambayley6903]

Blair witch two book of shadows has to be one of the worst films I have seen at the cinema!! We laughed out loud it was sooo shit! Living at college at the time and we hated it so much when we got back from the theatre my buddy got his vhs of the original movie and set it on fire 🔥 utter shite

[@krissymarklewis1793]

Exorcist 2 is the worst follow up ever. At least they made up for it in part 3.

[@jimmyjambhere]

The remake to I Spit on your grave was pretty good. But the ones after that were horrible lol the first movie is legendary the remake was surprisingly good. Then I think there is 2 or 3 after that. All shit lol

[@yvesturgeon9585]

Creepshow III...

[@simonrichards3225]

The original Howling was a horror movie about having sex with an ex girl friend. Nevermind the sequel. The things you do. Jokes aside, a great show fellas.