Season 3 Episode 5 - The Mover and Gonky Show

[@LILIAANVisser]

With or without a guest - the shows are still awesome!!! Tx guys 💥💥💥

[@major__kong]

If you ever need an AGCAS expert on the show, I work with one a couple of cubes over from me. He's a former F-16 pilot and one of the engineers who helped develop it.

[@georgecooksey8216]

Terrific show. Thank you gentlemen.

[@adamantturner5019]

And just like that, another great video is complete. It was an awesome show tonight!

[@The_Magic_of_Zelda]

These episodes are always awesome no matter who is on. Happy Thanksgiving gents!

[@AN_PVS-2]

Loved your points about finding qualified candidates being a national security issue, and overall, just focusing on the mission. Sometimes, I worry that people see the DoD as a big job program.

[@asquare9316]

Dude, lace New Balance shoes are the official, signature shoes of us actual old people.

[@alpacaman6256]

Hearing Mover talk about the 78 hud was hilarious

[@Katelittlewolf]

Excellent mhm as always. Somehow almost always the topic is very pertinent to. The current day

[@johnb7490]

Another great show guys!!! Happy Thanksgiving to ALL. Hugs to Luna!

[@robman8377]

I'm 30, and I know Jonny five :-D that means I'm getting old haha great show as always! Greetings from Southern Germany

[@JBSmoke1]

No bad comments from me, Gents. Good show and solid MHM. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@TZdesigns]

Love the opening scene 🎉

[@joegilgan2509]

#Awesome intro montage @Mover!

[@Vic9244]

The plane keyfob is just to much like Hotshots for comfort.

[@DougJosephDMJ]

Marines had legacy hornets at the St. Louis country fair and air show but it is also made here so they always come in.

[@MA2-o2l]

ICBMs are only that fast in exo atmosphere and reentry. They slow down once inside stratosphere. Also, that was just a test of the icbm. Nations don't use icbms for conventional explosive warheads; too costly.

[@steveng6511]

I think the way to use drones vs manned aircraft is to not replace them, which is always the direction that discussion takes, but to use them to purposely seek them out and disable them. Whether its flying directly into the intake ports and taking out the engine/engines or targeting stabs and other vulnerable control surfaces. Imagine being on a run to drop some hate and out of no where 2 dozen $12 drones are flying directly at you. That has been very effective against tanks and surely that is in the future for manned aircraft as well.

[@WolfhandsYouTube]

The Classic has a very good rad alt system, it’s essential the same as the NG. The guy who lost his life was a colleague and was absolutely no idiot. I will say this about the last ditch roll before impact - it seemed commanded as it stopped at around 45 degrees; it doesn’t seem to be a secondary effect of a stall. Maybe the crew avoided a property to avoid further loss of life. Lots of conjecture and speculation. Eagerly awaiting the report. RIP.

[@crazypetec-130fe7]

Social Media Ambassador! Congratulations! Does that come under the PA office?

[@themoverandgonkyshow]

AFRS

[@ostorry]

I’ve flown this route in a 734 too but different operator. As you say there is a radalt, GPS jamming or incorrect px setting wouldn’t affect the ILS, etc. It’s very strange how the aircraft , according to ADSB data, seemed to go from a stable approach with 800fpm to all of a sudden 2000fpm. Stab trim actuator failure? Heavy icing? Who knows but hopefully we can all learn something important, in the meantime as you also say we just feel awful for all involved. “There but for the grace of god go I”, indeed.

[@MA2-o2l]

Hey Lazer Lips, your mother was a snowblower.

[@GEODUCK9]

Musk... a guy who can't quite get a self driving car to work properly.... says manned jets are obsolete 😂

[@steveng6511]

expanding, eventually there will be a point that manned aircraft would be all but unfeasible against drones. Which in case sending in drones would be the only solution. I believe that will be coming one day.

[@MA2-o2l]

Ukraine had nukes after cold war and gave them back in a treaty that Russia signed that said Russia will never invade Ukraine. That's the ONLY reason why Ukraine gave up their nukes. WHY, is it okay for Russia to strike deep within Ukraine with weapons from Iran and China but Ukraine cannot do the same with NATO supplied weapons??? Hypocritical if you ask me, and cowardice I'm not pro war but I'm also not backing down to a bully.

[@markusnachname1619]

1. there is a contract between NATO and Russia signed 03.15.1991 that says NATO will not expand to the east. NATO broke this contract in numerous occations. 2. Donbas Region wanted elections for independence in between 2012 and 2014 that was surpressed by the Ukrainian Government. And there has been problems ever since. 3. We broke word in the first place.

[@kermittoad]

@@markusnachname1619 Too bad such agreement doesn't exist(bro pulled a date out of his ass lmao). on the second point donbas didn't agree to shit, the seperatists russia funded and expanded into a sizable group did bark like good dogs on russian command, too bad their opinion doesn't matter either, any referendum that had a russian oversight is invalid under UN resolutions since people where displaced and replaced, now gtfo here with your bs.

[@kermittoad]

​@@markusnachname1619Too bad such agreement doesn't exist, bro pulled out a date on nothing lmao, on the second point donbas didn't agree to anything, the seperatists russia funded and expanded into a sizable group did bark like good dogs on russian command, too bad their opinion doesn't matter either, any referendum that had a russian oversight is invalid under UN resolution since people were displaced and replaced. Last point we didn't break the peace, Vladimir did when he got butthurt in the prospect of Ukraine joining the EU and finally getting rid of the russian influence.

[@kermittoad]

​@@markusnachname1619Too bad such agreement doesn't exist, donbas didn't want independence, the seperatists funded by russia demanded it and incited violence, the west didn't break the peace, Vladimir did when he got his feelings hurt about Ukraine joining the EU and getting away from russian sphere of influence.

[@MA2-o2l]

No actually, we didn't. The agreement that former Sec. Of State James Baker and former NATO General Secretary made were verbal only and did include a reunified Germany. The Warsaw Pact Nations were yet to gain their independence and that is why this agreement was only done ORALLY, and not as a WRITTEN TREATY. ...So, we didn't break any legal agreement, just orally made one......Second, Russia has repeatedly broken ACTUAL Wrtitten Treaties involving the START treaties. Finally, again, Russia violated a WRITTEN Treaty that involved Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for the legally binding agreement that Russia would never invade Ukraine... You've got to get you actual Facts straight and not just repeat talking points from Russian State News

[@tomlong8472]

Movers fs avatar looks like him and the old man from UP!, had a Love child

[@johnhammer3195]

as another commenter said, AI is a misnomer, it’s really uninformed. it’s just a nanosecond of then computational algorithm with a series of predefined answers to known questions. robotics don’t learn anything, programs modify responses or reactions based on changing inputs but everything in it is known… autonomous vehicles are a great example of how primitive the technology is outside of expected (programmed) scenarios

[@foobar3]

The drone robots are going to fly the Jets, Mover.

[@broncogrizz]

24:25 I thought the F-15 had it. I thought I read it saved someone training at Kingsley a number of years ago.

[@timhenson4184]

Skiles was flying a boeing, so probably requested them not to do the final send off as that the wipers weren't working

[@Bonehead1995]

Do you guys know where the school house for the Eagle II is gonna be? Im assuming Portland since they were the first to get them.

[@foobar3]

Do you think we will see fully autonomous logistics aircraft before combat variations?

[@samuraidriver4x4]

No hate from me, i disagree on your stance regarding the war in Ukraine but you are entitled to have your own opinion.👍 With the DHL crash the first thing that came to mind was Turkish airlines 1951 that crashed on approach at schiphol airport.

[@foobar3]

1:00:05 While I agree with your sentiment here partially the people that are driving these policy decisions for sure did grow up during the existence of the Soviet Union and the threat of nuclear war. How do you square that?

[@BeckTools]

I've read that the F-15EX G limits are as high as 12 G's. Instead of taking the human out can they make a way for the human to withstand 12+ G's?

[@0cu0]

My take on the F-35/Musk topic is the following. Like Mover said, if you want a drone fighter fleet you have to go for AI piloting. The linked network thing will work most of the time but against Russia and China you cannot be sure it will. (Anti-satellite weapons for instance) So you end up saying to AI, go there and bomb things that make sense, perhaps even nuke things. Good idea? Some could argue “it’s war, who cares” (and a few countries like North Korea will think that way) but could the US afford this kind of “ethics”. Perhaps if the US is on its own, definitely not if they are fighting in a coalition with westerners. For me, a Human-in-the-loop is the only reliable and acceptable solution right now. But we can discus how many fighter pilots per drone fighters...

[@ZoneXV]

Should have made more F-22's and less F-35's. I can only imagine was a newer upgraded F-22 would be like. Still must be something decent about the F-35 though or every one of our adversaries wouldn't be making copies of it.

[@newmarketslim]

Of all the items on the armed forces want/wish list a remote start for the KC-46 APU should not even be on the list.

[@cidworks8711]

Hi, I noticed Iran has 24 of our f-14's??? :( So far I haven't seen any having the F110-GE-400's in them. Or I would be pissed.

[@PeypaMikko-1842]

AFAIK, they fly F-14A only, so TF-30.

[@donaldstaubitz230]

Yes gonky understands the “mood change” the family man experiences when holidays come around….But we wouldn’t change it for the world and thank god for the gift he provides.

[@Katelittlewolf]

The Navy debrief terminology that is not personal on nature...that is a very wise approach. Objective correction is much more readily heard and absorbed . Personalized criticism though just seems to be purely destructive in nature, not constructive. I think criticism is best prefaced with words of affirmation first .

[@donaldstaubitz230]

Gonky- didn’t Mike Tyson say the scariest words we should fear is “ government is here to help you”….. maybe it was Reagan…..

[@Keil2590]

First off, Elon is not a "genius". Secondly, Stargate had an episode where there were two warring factions on a planet and they fought with unmanned aircraft that they controlled from a sim cockpit kind of thing. They would basically launch a fleet of them each day and fight it out and lose aircraft and then do it all over again. It was an interesting concept at the time and since then we've seen the evolution of RPAs and now the little ones used in Ukraine conflict, it's becoming more of a real thing.

[@phoenix11fx45]

I was today years old when I found out that Mover is also a February kid……should I be concerned about getting cancelled later on in life too..?

[@tundra109710]

Elon won’t have the authority cancel anything! He will only recommend, his new position does not come with authority to act as it would be a conflict of interest..

[@yxeaviationphotog]

Exactly. People are jumping for joy over DOGE, when it literally has no power beyond making recommendations to Congress, who actually makes policy.

[@MA2-o2l]

It's that A.I isn't human will NEVER have the ability to have empathy or sympathy. It can become more intelligent than humans in certain areas but never with others. I know that is vague but humans understand what I'm trying to say and computers will not. That's my point.

[@TR4Ajim]

Maybe the Chinese could use drone swarms as controlled “bird strikes”. It would be tough for a fighter strike force if it flew into a cloud of 1000 drones. Also regarding Elon being in charge of procurement- remember what happened when McNamara took control of military procurement.

[@pogo1140]

@@TR4Ajim how many EA-18's are in the manned fighter force?

[@TR4Ajim]

@ not enough. China is estimated to have nearly 2 million small drones, but nobody knows the real number.

[@samuraidriver4x4]

1000's of small "drones" (multicopters) sound great until you think of the amount of drawbacks. A cloud of those have a limited flight time and ceiling. So you need them in place and they can't operate at higher altitudes. Besides that there is the limitation of moving them around effectively to intercept a fighter.

[@pogo1140]

@TR4Ajim small drones are not a threat to any combat aircraft except if the aircraft sucks one into its engine. The max speed of those small drones are barely above the stall speed of any fast jet. If needed you just use ecm jammer and the AESA radars to fry the electronics of every drone within 2-5 miles of the jet.

[@TommiVTi]

I really think Elon Musk has a point about the future of fighter jets being pilotless. I mean, think about how AI has already shown it can outdo some of the best human pilots in games like DCS. It's like, with AI, you've got this 360-degree view all the time, thanks to all those fancy cameras and sensors, way better than anything a human eye could do. And with Musk's experience from Tesla's self-driving cars and his AI work at xAI, he's seen how AI can make decisions at lightning speed. It makes sense, right? No human pilot means no risk to life, cheaper operations, and you can push the aircraft to do things a human body just can't handle. It's clear where the future's heading with this tech.

[@mastathrash5609]

I’m just kind of curious where it ends if we just have robots fighting each other‘s robots. I will say AI should not be part of the kill chain . It’s the old Terminator factor that creeps me out. But who knows what the future holds for warfare

[@pogo1140]

@@TommiVTi elon musk has yet to figure out how to keep his drone cars from crashing into fire trucks, ambulances and police cars or stop killing motorcyclists.

[@supermilo]

DCS AI is terrible, not a great example. There is not a game out there yet where the AI doesn't win by basically hacking the game. Not that it won't ever get there, but we are not even close yet.

[@a99terren99]

@@supermiloThe Tesla auto pilot is not a good example. It still doesn’t live up to what was promised for 2018.

[@supermilo]

@@a99terren99 good point!

[@babalonkie]

"Jack of all trades... Master of none"... Wasn't that also the summary of the Sherman tank!? But hey... i was never a fan of the JSF (Because of it's countless troubles)... but if Elon hates it... i am now willing to give it a chance, Elon only criticises things that threaten his pocket... and his pocket while i breath is not Earth, Not my country and not my allies. There is a place for drones... and there will be a bigger place in the future... but a human will always be the thing that designs and checks the drone... Which is definitive. EDIT: Johnny 5 is alive!!!

[@c309176]

Me, aged 35, actively googling Johnny 5 just before Gonky says people who aren’t at least 35 are going to ask what the hell you’re talking about… guess I missed the reruns as a kid?

[@Vinemaple41]

48:07

[@Katelittlewolf]

Noted lol

[@Blue-6]

Would you rather 1 Beta F-35 or 10,000 Alpha drones 🤔.

[@pogo1140]

How do drones find a stealth fighter?? Radar, IR? What happens when the F-35 uses its radar to fry the Drone radars and com systems?

[@Blue-6]

@@pogo1140 Good questions. I suppose we're not really suppose to challenge the armchair military strategists below ground level. Not Mover, Gonky, Doug or Elon btw, just the people who boast about how peace-loving they are all the time (who are usually the warmongers) 🙂.

[@liamwuthrich9174]

well these guys and there friends are usely right on the money around what say on Video chats and guests on there show and DCS dog fighting four folds of honner i am in there det aways readers as a blogger on instagram.

[@dudehuh5491]

Hot Shots did it first

[@tulmar4548]

Sometimes Elon is great and sometimes he really shows how much he doesn't know. But people that don't know also don't know he doesn't know which makes all this worse.

[@NormAppleton]

You don't suck

[@327425C]

Not a Musk fan. He is not engineer, just a user of quality people. Musk thought cyber truck was a good idea. I dont want him near our defense

[@josechung7713]

It will be interesting to see what happens when the honeymoon phase is over between Trump and Musk.

[@Kubose]

The thing about Elon Musk is that he has proven to himself time and time again that listening to people who "know better" is how you handicap yourself. If some General or expert whose been in the industry for 40 years comes in and tries to tell him how things work, he's going to change how things work to suit himself instead. He is the richest human alive, owns a company that's putting 10's of thousands of satellites into space, owns the most valuable car company on earth, and owns the most relevant social media platform in the west. Ain't nobody can say shit to him.

[@asquare9316]

Stockton Rush thought the same thing about himself. Look what happened to him.

[@boncuk370]

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[@crankshaft99k85]

Hey love u guys but as an European I must strongly disagree with both of your takes on Ukraine. It's not an American fight but. I think the EU will wake up ... We should not need you Americans to defend our European sovereignty. But we do .. Anyways, I hope we can keep this conflict contained in Ukraine. And if we don't, we can fight our own way out! Lets find out the capabilities of Meteor missiles. And, is EU able to defend itself? It may be a huge boosts, or bust for European weapon industries.

[@themoverandgonkyshow]

Both takes?

[@crankshaft99k85]

@@themoverandgonkyshow Yes. You both did agree the new longer range missile policy is a bad idea. So, yes. It's like the same if Canada took Minnesota, and you use any (non nuclear) ways to dispose the damned Canadians from your land. And DO NOT TELL ME you wont bomb Canada to the end of existence. And now, tell me why Ukraine should not have the same rights! You bombed Iraq for no reason at al...

[@crankshaft99k85]

well maybe. We should stop buying the bombs and missiles from the US. Or stop buying more Fat Amy. Anyways, I think Europe is better of doing their own thing.

[@Keil2590]

Gonky...he does not have a brilliant engineering mind. Look up when he was asked about how he was going to suspend the train in the hyperloop. He's good at taking over companies, taking credit for others accomplishments (he didn't begin Tesla), and extracting money from governments to solve problems that already have solutions. He has brilliant people working for him, but you're giving him way too much credit.