Season of Discovery: Early MASSIVE Phase 6 Concerns

[@Dea07thox]

Only thing that would make me somewhat hopeful for Classic is if Blizzard announced like 100 person development team just dedicated to Classic+. Otherwise i dont care.

[@Rudbeckbitten]

Im sure the classic+ thing is just the same SoD team throwing out incursions for us again

[@zjeee]

Honestly there are plenty of classic+ options out there already. I stopped SOD and went for Turtle wow. Never been a huge fan of private servers but it's a lot more fun than whatever Blizzard can provide so far...

[@Marinthees]

I really dont understand why theres no new pvp event. Its extremely disappointing, they could of done something so cool in Silithus for an amazing pvp event.

[@told2stop]

I think blizz is done with sod, I think they want to get to the finish line with the naxx stuff and call it. I feel like the whole thing may have just been a big beta for classic +

[@Kaghoegaming]

Very possible, and that’s fine but tell us that ya know? My hope is in Warcraft direct

[@told2stop]

@@Kaghoegaming agreed, direct would be interesting

[@el3ndir97]

Crazy business model if u ask me Shutdown quickly to get rid of paying customers

[@debdeb2331]

with all the things they hyped that didnt happen , it is not a beta for classic+ more like an actual scam

[@cnh7262]

I’ve been playing since 2005 (not retail ). This hard mode raid Mechanic is horrible. I don’t see a benefit instead of ppl just being pissed off

[@el3ndir97]

All dificulty levels are good addition Theres challenging content for try hards and that ez for casuals

[@cnh7262]

@ agree, I just feel there could have been a better option

[@sagestein6252]

I’m guessing we’ll finally see a “classic+” announcement. My biggest concern is I’m really tied to my rogue tank. If Classic+ doesn’t allow SoD transfers, I’m scared of what Classic+ will bring. Classic+(if we get it) has to be absolutely insane to replace SoD, imo.

[@AmongRevenants]

True. If they didn't want SoD to be the direct foundation of Classic+. Then they will have to make Classic+ an improvement over SoD. Which it'll always be compared to. SoD was lightning in a bolt which blizz squandered away. Now they have to out perform lightning in a bottle to even be considered a worthy successor to SoD. A feat I don't think blizz is capable of doing. Or want to do anymore. In fear it harms their money maker.... retail. Classic Progressive, with CATA, is now classic retail and pointless at this point. Everyone thinks MoP will rebound Classic retail. But it wasn't as well received as we like to remember and considered wow farmville at the time run by furries. And then WoD dropped and made MoP look good by comparison bookend between CATA and WoD.

[@ricardo8268]

They already said characters will go to evergreen servers AKA ERA but for SOD. They just hadn’t worked out the details yet

[@AmongRevenants]

@@ricardo8268 I haven't seen the promise not to strip our runes, nor toss us i with the muggles. I only heard them say it would be some place "fun". And lately SoD means little fun to about 400k playes. Who quit or went to retail. But for me. A 16 year wow hunter... SoD is the only version of classic, if not retail, as well. That I can enjoy being a melee hunter. My spec, my fun. Is bound to this carwreck of a season.

[@jeremyarnold677]

Absolutely no way a new classic+ server will allow transfers. That would be a train wreck. This is a seasonal server everyone knows the characters don’t last going into it

[@AmongRevenants]

The main reason P4 did better than P5 or P6 was because it was 60 cap. Everyone had a reason to play and for non-raiders P4 was the end of their season.

[@alexfdezpal]

I really hope they announced this early because of the pre-start being on the 12th and Direct on the 13th. If they dont announce anything else there for this phase it might be the most lackluster phase so far

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah definitely could be the case, I just hope we get more or a future we are working towards

[@hoodymcmayhem275]

Wasup kag, I’m gonna comment before watching the video and see well it ages. So my thoughts for phase 6 are: I hope they don’t do much for the next 2 phases so the team and really COOK for the wrap up phase after naxx. Potentially some truely new content. But if the team is caught up making AQ and naxx “new” I think it will take away the time they have to make something really cool after naxx. I have a feeling players are not taking this into consideration. Edit: yeah I’m happy with my takes on phase6, beyond that I think the player base needs to consider that in order for classic+ to be the best it can be for everyone, is to finish SOD strong and collect as much data as possible.

[@rcalabre23]

People are Raid Logging, because SOD is hard on Alts. I think there is too much Deference paid to the Elitists playing this game that are outraged if an alt gets gear too easy - Fresh ERA or Fresh HC aint gonna cut it. - Will have to be a Classic Plus

[@Farmer_Farms]

All I can hope for is simplified brackets for Warcraft logs so we don’t have like less than 1800 mythic logs per spec

[@Kaghoegaming]

There’s just no reason to do black other then pride and WCL

[@Farmer_Farms]

@ with kill times being as quick as they are, black honestly honestly doesn’t make much of a difference

[@zianitori]

i think the fracturing of parses has actually been really positive for the game because down in pugs we have fewer and fewer people who think they can talk about their parse like it means anything and those people are more likely to grief the raid than a chinese hunter bot

[@zianitori]

@@Kaghoegaming actually my guild was planning on doing black for hardmode everytime because it just felt like that was the version to get practice on so we werent screwed once every 4 lockouts, but it's too hard to find players for black so we stopped. it sucks because now it always means we have to stress pug healers with red and in a pug you should basically always assume that your healers are very bad and build around that (tanks build more mit, ect) because most people literally cant be bothered to do extra mechanics in a hardmode dungeon

[@mjjw.8982]

Hope for some hc instances. That would be great. They do a great job with the coins. Do more to get like some t1 like gear and ppl would like zo twink more i guess

[@Kaghoegaming]

I’d love to see that, I think it could be fun in SoD

[@mitchconner2021]

I thought they came out and said theres gonna be an event like BRE in Sith for Norz rep?

[@Kaghoegaming]

I haven’t seen it but I hope so

[@mitchconner2021]

@@Kaghoegaming I guess it was the thing that's already in sith. My bad

[@derace1987]

it dfoesnt matter what content there is, most people would still only raidlog. its still classic in the end

[@fanofcodd]

Well on the other side, my guild still has people needing MC , obviously we will need BWL for a while. We need ZG for enchants for head and chest , we need thunderane because not everyone got their bis. We try to pack some stuff on the same evening but we are going insane 3 or 4 evening a week which is quite consequent. We have a lot of fun

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yes at somepoint you will, but until that you can have months to play

[@derace1987]

@@fanofcodd yeah dont get me wrong i have a lot of fun too. i really like sod. we raid once a week, do bwl and thunderaan/ony. i have a blast but i dont log in a single minute outside of the raids

[@AmongRevenants]

A couple of the last streamers still bothering with SoD vlogs. Have strongly suggested SoD P6 will be DOA. That's another 2 phases in a row, turned out duds. Other being P3 and the P3.5 drought phase, two phases tgether to force folks to play CATA with their monthly sub. Season are re-planned in advance. So all the lack of shirt to do, P5 & P6, was pre-mediated, to force folks to use the retail portion of the monthly sub. Interesting to see if the raid numbers are up the past week.

[@Iron.Tarkus]

My hope is that they're hiding some event, but that's hard copium since there was no ptr. After a rough bwl last night and lack of new content, it makes me question things.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Warcraft direct will hopefully shine some light

[@notafortnitegamer]

@@Kaghoegaming its the last hope for us classic fans...

[@neilbecker1140]

are the unlocking high warlord?

[@ricardo8268]

It’s likely they learned what works for classic from SOD. They are just letting people play it out till nax. Maybe some fresh hardcore/vanilla content soon?

[@xeroxboy01]

Even raid logging isn't even a way to measure how many people are rading. I have yet to be in a pug that does raid logging. My main guild does raid logging but 2 of the other newbie guilds I have alts in don't log anything, we just raid.

[@demonwares]

They already let people go into 20 man raids with 40 people... If someone is a bad player then don't take part on the "hard modes". Harder content is OPTIONAL, back in the day, bad players wouldn't even be able to experience end game content... The entitlement of casuals is insane, they want BIS gear mailed to them. Why don't they complain IRL that everyone should be a millionaire with no effort too?

[@carelesscribo3072]

If they're working hard on classic + I have no problem them fast tracking SoD's lifespan if we get classic + faster.

[@Eli-dl2tw]

Been playing WoW on and off for decades. I think I've thrown in the towel for good. Might be my age and pursuit of other things in life however I feel the Warcraft universe for myself has been exhausted. There is nothing new and the new content that is made doesn't hold a candle to classic in my opinion. I have been enjoying the resurgence in WC3 custom games casually :) I believe the future of WoW lines in private servers and custom content made by the community.

[@Kaghoegaming]

I don’t blame ya, I’ve been playing a lot of other games myself, that’s why my hope is for classic +

[@zianitori]

very cool that every single content creator is saying the exact same thing which surely will have no repercussions on whether or not people quit or not. embarrassing!

[@Kaghoegaming]

Ahh well I don’t watch others all that often, so sorry if I share opinions with others, I wasn’t attempting to copy them. Why would you quit a game based on if content creators like it or not? We are just people

[@Iron.Tarkus]

If it's a true statement what's wrong with it? Would you rather them lie and be full on fake positive?

[@narthvader6298]

This comment is embarrassing. Maybe they are all saying the same thing because that’s the consensus

[@zianitori]

@@Kaghoegaming to be fair you do qualify later in the vid that there's probably more to come at warcraft direct and you're by far the least negative about this stuff and you dont fixate really hard on the new hardmode system, but i think it's too early to call how this phase is gonna be and it's also sad to see how few people are talking about the scepter questline. the devs theme all of sod has been making things more accessible to more people and i'd imagine we'll see some changes to that questline. i also think you're wrong about the loot system, i think the sweatier players, though maybe not the top top percentile, are actually going to be the ones who suffer the most under the new system because they're the one most likely to get people leaving the raid because they're hyper sensitive about their loot and making sure WCL counts their parse as a hardmode parse. down in the pugs, yeah it'll definitely cause a few raids to disintegrate early cause of saltly players but very often hardmode pugs dont complete the raid on the hardmode so being able to make the call to cash out early if you can tell your group is gonna struggle with a known hard boss literally gets more loot than you'd get for turning down the difficulty in bwl. you might be more optimistic about people than i am but most people arent capable of thinking for themselves and just shape their opinion to match that of a groups opinion, often as dictated by a central figure like a content creator so when all of them are doom posting it's important to understand how your statements will be metabolized. obv that doesnt mean dont express your concerns and criticisms but you can still act as a counterweight leading with the stuff about how there's likely more to come in the direct. i do agree with your points about what made p4 so good but it's still possible we see some cool stuff tied in the the reps esp if more people have participated in the scepter quest

[@zianitori]

@@narthvader6298 "maybe they're all saying the same thing because that's the consensus" do you have a concussion? what do you think "consensus" means?

[@matthunter565]

Seasons of Redoing it again but a full Dlc stronger power wise XD

[@Kaghoegaming]

Ehhh that’s a little harsh, a lot of new things did come

[@matthunter565]

@@Kaghoegaming Its the most basic way of saying Sod, Im just joking a little. I personnally enjoy how the game is. Most of the time the worst enemy of any game are its player base anyways.

[@mitchconner2021]

Everyone I talk to hated Phase 4? Lmao only thing to do was Ony or MC?

[@Kaghoegaming]

We had things to do, is the point I’m making, people hate 5 and what’s coming with 6 much more that’s for sure

[@braidend4379]

It's clear blizz is cutting dev time for SoD

[@AmongRevenants]

The non-raiders in SoD are scattered across all the locked realms. Doing dailies and leveling toons because they don't want to do retail or the same old classic. And didn't need to follow the crowds to the last 4 realms standing. Blizz wasn't going to allow half a million players in P1 to remain playing a version of wow with no addon profit of a cash shop. Half a million players doing nothing but an entire season of SoD for over a year. Would of tanked both their active cash shop versions of wow. SoD was great and did very well with the player base but was always a free game, as in it only takes 1 monthly sub/ticket to ride any version of choice.

[@AmongRevenants]

And sadly. Blizz's only source of consistent monthly income over time.... is retail raiding.

[@wiegraffolles9822]

My guild has been thriving in SoD and having a good time. However, I definitely agree that casual players make or break an MMO. Variable difficulties primarily benefit hardcore players, who will always be rewarded more for having more time to play. It's an illusion of choice that claims to benefit everyone, when in reality it punishes the casuals. I know we're in like a "retail minus" situation and this is not really classic vanilla, but the point of all this is to eventually build classic+. Variable difficulties don't belong in classic vanilla, which is what SoD is built on.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Well said! Absolutely agree! I hope once we play with it it’s not as bad as we are all thinking, but very limited on details for phase 6

[@andrew2616]

This isn’t even close to retail minus. It’s literally another version of TBC but better.

[@kellypease-j2y]

im so tired of hearing about 'casuals', nobody can seem to even agree on an actual definition of who these people are. I have had people told me they were "casual" and quite literally play the game more than me, more alts etc - and i consider myself a sweat

[@Kaghoegaming]

A causal to me is someone that plays when they can, with no structure or obligations in the game

[@josipmarasovic2436]

@@Kaghoegaming true i play like that and i cleared all and like have bis gear that is for me first and i play wow for 20 years hahahaha. SOD is fun if u dont take it serious i sweat when i want thats like 2 bosses in whole raid. Its fun game as it should be its a game after all

[@crowmaster9652]

phase 4 sounded awesome until phase 5 came in and was barely any different just two raids BWL got more attention and ZG is just a time sink for alts phase 6 is more than likely going to be AQ with more attention and the nightmare raid will just be a time sink for alts its almost like there is a pattern

[@AYE2221]

Season of 0 discovery 😂

[@alexanderb1433]

season of mastery season 2 lmao

[@Kaghoegaming]

We had a lot thus far already

[@dr_zephyr]

SOD turned into too much of a grind with regards to the Reals, having to do the same dungeons over and over again got really boring really fast. They’re not even challenging just tedious asf.

[@keelhld94]

The raid itself should be clearable by pretty much everyone. A casual player who quits because they can't beat the raid on it's harder difficulty seems like a bit of an oxymoron. A casual player wouldn't care about beating the raid on it's hardest difficulty, and if they do then they're not casual.

[@Kaghoegaming]

They will be forced into it because everyone wants loot, they will fail and give up

[@keelhld94]

@@Kaghoegaming Seems to be a Classic audience specific problem, eh? Retail players don't all feel obliged to raid Mythic or do Mythic 10+ dungeons.

[@mikelovebx7216]

@@keelhld94Classic players have this weird entitlement to be able to get bis gear without acquiring the skill necessary to obtain said gear.

[@wiegraffolles9822]

@@keelhld94 Yes, you are right and that’s why it’s a bad decision. The entire reason we are here is because of classic players.

[@albanijajesrbijakosovojesr1242]

No cus sod players are autisam hard wheilchair mode bad players

[@glenbogger1873]

Feel a bit bummed out about sod now

[@alexanderb1433]

same, it really shows when they didn't even bother making a video for phase 5 highlight.

[@Kaghoegaming]

How come?

[@lekkis344]

This sucks, never played wow before and decided to try SOD and loved it, but hearing this im cancelling my sub sadly

[@Kaghoegaming]

This is just a possibility not confirmed, I wouldn’t cancel until Warcraft Direct

[@narthvader6298]

This phase will be the second worst behind the ST p3 release. Its sad cause it was a good game, now its very very boring

[@SumGuy-fs8sy]

Another doom saying man child scrambling for views

[@smurfberrieseso1158]

I pvp and world it’s fine . It’s just you NPC killing pve nerds

[@alexbrooks2235]

There is a ptr

[@pianospeedrun]

The ultimate late game content is pvp in my opinion. You build your character up to fight epic BGs and above all Wpvp. That's how i always saw it. I believe players are simply too lazy/lack vision to make cool stuff happen in the sandbox that the devs created. If they're not given incentives with big yellow numbers they don't bother. Such a shame. * in general i mean. There are individuals and guilds carving themselves a real reputation since 2004, creating drama and breathing life into the game, those i respect but they're a minority.

[@Kaghoegaming]

To each there own, an mmo is best when both PvE and PvP are fun and tied together imo

[@pianospeedrun]

@Kaghoegaming let's expand on "to each his own". I think a very cool type of video you could make that i don't see other wow content creators make is : what can you do as a player / guild leader to impact the open world. Think of Kennedy's "don't think what the country can do for you but what can you do for your contry", as in what can you do as a player to make the world feel more alive for yourself and others without waiting for the devs to spoonfeed you purpouse / incentives. I'm sure you have more than enough knowledge about the game to come up with interesting stuff that you can try / already have tried in your own guild

[@Rhyseak]

First

[@Kaghoegaming]

I love it!