Sebastian Bach Wants To Fight Falling In Reverse Frontman Ronnie Radke?!

Falling In Reverse singer Ronnie Radke recently announced a show cancellation due to a missing laptop tied to the production of their shows. Sirius XM host Eddie Trunk, Sebastian Bach, and Ronnie Radke get into a war of words over the use of laptops and tracks for live shows.
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[@RockFeed]

Falling In Reverse, Slipknot, Shinedown, Lamb Of God, and so many more amazing bands on one lineup! Which one is your favorite? bit.ly/shockrockfeed

[@claranielsen3382]

Falling in Reverse! Always

[@MaRoach7]

Falling In Reverse

[@fawnwalker7855]

Falling in Reverse

[@frogstomp11]

Lamb Of God. Falling seems to be more of a band for alienated teenage girls or middle-aged women trying desperately to cling onto the youth that has passed them by.

[@timbailey3112]

I agree the laptop thing is good cause you can play music before a show to get the energy going so when the show starts the fans are already pumped up and you get that huge cheer when they come on stage!

[@daves.7150]

"I started an argument & you called me an idiot so I'm gonna kick your ass" is a very mature sentiment for a grown man

[@d0nKsTaH]

well Sebastian Bach is hardly an Idol.... let's hope this plays out and someone is there to video it whichever way it goes... We might have another glorious Danzig-like fight video coming up

[@unholymiloskie7154]

Grown man? you mean old lady? did you see his face xD

[@97McLuvin]

@@d0nKsTaH "whichever way" Ronnie actually gives a fuck about his health and is in his early 30s Sebastian Bach looks like my overweight grandmother Do the math.

[@annamarie8168]

@@d0nKsTaH 🤣🤣🤣

[@d0nKsTaH]

@@97McLuvin I dont care who wins/loses or looks like a fool. Heh.. be a funny video

[@cory1148]

Live sound engineer here… I literally tour with some of these bands mentioned in this video. Actually typing this from stage left as we speak. Some things to point out… First, laptops/playback rigs are used everywhere for lots of reasons. Having these does NOT mean you are faking/lip syncing, however. They can be used for everything from intros to click tracks for the band to have in their in ears. But my next point is they CAN be used for backing tracks as well. I have seen bands record their entire performance in rehearsals and just play it back day after day and mime their entire set. It does happen too and I do think this sucks. But it is what it is. But there can be other uses in between too. For example, if a band has a full orchestra on their album, they obviously can’t always bring a full orchestra to a show. So in this case it makes sense to have the orchestra on a backing track. This is not faking or cheating the crowd, it’s simply budget and logistics. It just makes sense. My point being, to outright say that anybody who uses a “laptop”, in whatever sense they mean is inherently bad, is just stupid. Often times some sort of playback is actually necessary for the show to run properly. Don’t even get me started on timecode… but there are people out there who abuse it and just fake their entire set and still get paid. Be informed before you argue, everyone. Cheers!

[@tgstk2]

You just broke the whole internet!!! Thanks to getting info from someone who k ows what he's talking about

[@arachnidgirl_ally]

Exactly this! Anyone who learnt/knows how to produce will know this

[@Jesse-Savvy]

Rockfeed needs to pin this comment 📌

[@user-bx1vo8dz4z]

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight!

[@misanthrope5865]

Yea sure

[@denislabelle3853]

I've seen falling in reverse 4 times live . 3 of those times was in small settings. Ronnie definitely sang every song . They killed it every single time.

[@jonnyralston5299]

I’ve seen my boys like 8/10 times or some shit I forget at this point

[@williamfurdyn5334]

I’m not a big fan but that’s just because I typically don’t pay to watch woman beaters sing

[@speed9801]

@@williamfurdyn5334 you must never see any bands cause most of them have beat women

[@bedroomarcade3160]

dont think anyone questioned if hes singing. its about the music. well they didnt play so i guess he wasnt singing

[@SpencerJMusic]

Doubt it

[@ronwilliams1094]

Before laptops, bands had "tent musicians" which were singers and guitar players who played/sang along with the band, off stage. A famous tent singer is the current singer from Warrant, Robert Mason (and former Lynch Mob singer) who sang for Ozzy Osbourne. I'm friends with a guy who toured with STYX as a side guitar player. Nothing wrong with a little bit of sonic help to make the sound fuller. Laptops these days can be used for non-existent players or singers to be heard but are primarily used for production cues (lighting, pyro, etc.) where different lighting scenes and explosions happen at a certain time within the song. Just ask any touring drummer, they'll tell ya because they need to be listening to the click track to make certain those events happen at the precise times. Welcome to the age of technology.

[@christophermyers8157]

It bothers me just as much to use pre-recorded music as it does to use extra musicians on stage to cover overdubbed parts. If the song structure is good, there is no need for a full reproduction of the album, just a reproducition of the melody and chord progression and somewhere near the same tempo. The bands that can improvise over that structure, like Van Halen or Sammy Hagar especially, are way beyond normal bands musically. However, most fans go to see a show, not to hear great music. If the goal was to hear great music rather than be entertained as a show, then we would all wear headphones and insist on silence at a concert like in Classical music at the Opera house. So you can't fault Radke or his band for having their computers ripped off. I would imagine they had well over 40 hours if not 400 hours of programming in their rigs. If they don't bring the full force of their light show and samples along with their probable amp modeling, it doesn't help their fans wanting to "see" the show. If they want to hear it, they can plug in the CD or Spotify and use headphones. If you have heard the technicality in the guitar playing you would realize this is completely different than playing classic rock, blues, like Joe Perry from Aerosmith. Many of Falling in Reverse songs have more guitar notes in the first four bars than Aerosmith has in the entire song. Without a laptop to help control your tone and model your room, you have almost no hope of being heard in a band with another guitar player, especially i a pleasant way. This was one of the reasons early Metallica fans always complained about Hetfields erratic voice and playing, because they didn't have computers to help control the environment. Now that Metallica does, and they have 25 more years of experience, they use the same computers and are way tighter of a band, for their rhythm chain and in ear monitor system off their laptops with the click tracks. Playing in that size of stadiums, there is no way to get the entire band tight, as the distance between the speakers alone induce delays that wobble the rhythm out of sync. And of course this too is why all of Jason Newsteads bass on And Justice for All is claimed to not be audible, when to a guitar player, it is easy to hear.

[@candirenee74]

Nah I agree with you. I want to hear as much as was in production as possible. Going to a show to be let down is such a bummer. I’ve watched quite a bit of live footage of FIR this last few months and even where I thought it was a background vocal..NOPE, was his guitarists who can freaking sing. His vocals are the best they’ve ever been. Let’s get out of the analog mindset. They are playing and sing live. It’s the extra effects. I swear they 808’s on some of their songs. It’s part of what makes the song sound so freakin good. How are they supposed to “play” an 808? Or any synths? Then like u said, cues, for EVERYTHING lighting cues, etc. if they had pyrotechnics (which I haven’t seen them use) you’d definitely want that cued and timed to perfection. I’m the “analog” days, bands relied on engineers to do it and sometimes that shit went sideways and ppl got hurt. My point is Radke is right, Trunk is in the wrong and he of ALL people should KNOW better. Now, I have seen clips of some shows from a completely DIFFERENT band, and yeah, it’s a lot of prerecorded stuff that her should’ve been played/song live. If that’s what Eddie is talking about, he’s talking about the wrong band.

[@evacody1249]

@@christophermyers8157 the issue is you are leaving half the music on the floor. At that point don't even use drums or guitars and just go full acoustic if you are going to leave half the music on the floor.

[@sheanaobrien2767]

​@@evacody1249so how would you go about it then

[@AMisfit]

"Everyone has a plan 'til they get punched in the mouth." -Iron Mike Tyson

[@User-54631]

@Gen X Mike Tyson Most intimidating boxer yes, most technical definitely not. Holyfield was smaller and put a clinic on tyson 2x

[@StoneTheCr0w]

@@User-54631 he put a clinic in being a headbutting coward

[@Ottoni174]

@@User-54631 where was holyfield smaller than tyson?

[@ernesto5740]

´´Everyone has a plan ´til you are losing the fight and start biting ears ´´-also Mike Tyson.

[@WendyMcCor696]

@@ernesto5740 because the ref missed his obvious butting.....which is as illegal In boxing as ear biting........................

[@blacksunshine9995]

Eddie Trunk should know better than to bash Ronnie for missing one concert and then put Steven Tyler on a pedestal for rock n roll when that dude had their Las Vegas residency cancelled because he couldn't lay off the drugs.

[@jcfontaine0017]

They're not the smartest bunch lmao

[@Bobby_Uterus]

But has Steven Tyler ever canceled the show because he lost his laptop? Maybe because there was no cocaine, but surely not because he lost his laptop.

[@toadfrommario943]

@@Bobby_Uterus idk about him canceling over a laptop but I know Mr Tyler had an underage girlfriend so idk why tf anyone is giving him praise.

[@User-54631]

Saw Steven Tyler on joe rogans podcast, he is a space cadet.

[@Bobby_Uterus]

Yeah, so did half of the Rockstars from his era bud. Ted Nugent actually took guardianship of one of his underage girlfriends. Cancel them all I guess. Not many of them accused of murder though, I’d say that’s a little worse.

[@bretc970]

Im old as F and a long time Bach/SR fan but ffs Bach should know by now that he works in entertainment. FIR use a heap of intro's, fills and what sound like some backing vocals to create quite a grandiose live performance. It isnt any more or less of a rock show, just different. Even though a raw version of an FIR show would be imho F'ing awesome, theres no way they would have enough time to rehearse to a point where the band could in good conscience go ahead with the show. As much as I love Bach, I'd put a $50 on Radke.....

[@kaeghanjoslin1314]

You seem to be one of the only reasonable ones in this comment section, thank you for giving me some hope in humanity lol

[@DarkestVoid]

A vast amount of Falling In Reverse’s songs have electronic elements in them so a laptop is kind of required to give the full effect instead of half adding it. I completely agree with just playing your instrument but using backing tracks doesn’t mean a band is bad. Like it or not we’re in a technological age where everyone uses some sort of advancement that makes our lives easier. If the technology was there 50 years ago you can’t tell me bands wouldn’t take advantage of it. Eddie Trunk is irrelevant now I can’t even remember the last time I heard his name till now. And Sebastian Bach while I respect the music he made is a gatekeeping clown. Him and Corey Taylor do the same kind of thing except Corey actually speaks facts instead of talking out his ass. Bach only gives a fuck when he’s personally attacked while Corey defends the genre as a whole. Guarantee you he’d be defending Ronnie as well.

[@Jagger-Tyr_13]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Eddie Trunk is just another old ass guy favoring the shit he grew up with over anything new or modern. We've heard these old ass bands countless times and I'm still a fan of old shit, but we like new stuff too.

[@cherrypickerguitars]

Crap! NOT a band then - simply “performers”. I spent 45 yrs in the music biz and have preformed for many of those years. Cancelling a gig was an admission of weakness! Really ? Over a laptop? I’m getting Milli Vanilli flash backs. So many snowflakes now.

[@Rockyrodentt]

@@cherrypickerguitars girl you know its true

[@PhyreI3ird]

@@cherrypickerguitars What exactly do you think a band is a band of, if not musicians (of which musical performer is but one kind)? How can you claim to be have worked with so many bands and even performed yourself and yet have a definition of band that falls so horribly short of the actual meaning? Even if you did the work you say, your comment proves your opinion is _soo_ poorly thought out as to be worthless here.

[@MissKateKatie]

@@cherrypickerguitars so you would say a DJ isn't a musician because they need technology? Because that's literally all Ronnie does is add effects of that type of music and mix it into rock. It's ingenious and created FIR unique sound that makes them them.

[@mikeygraves16]

"Can't wait to meet you in person..." -Sebastian Bach to every all-you-can-eat buffet his tour van passes

[@User-54631]

He definitely not keto

[@tinawillits8223]

Wish Sebastian would just knock his prison tats bach to the 80s where real music existed! ....oh booo hoo milk spilled on my laptop time to cancel a show sory prison fans

[@ligmaballzac1584]

@@tinawillits8223 dudes an absolute princess lol now I will say I like the introduction of tech into rock, and I also revere the pioneers to the fullest capacity because they didnt have that advantage so their music was raw. Ronnie is just a diva who cant take criticism. I hear more people making fun of "life is like a videogame. Twying haad to beat da stage." than I actually hear his music. I feel bad for his bandmates that dont need the laptop to sing for them.

[@stanclark8824]

sounds like me to those same buffets! 😂🤣 also to anywhere selling great pies!!!😁

[@aaronjackson6273]

I think he wanted to fight William Shatner and William Shatner was 85 at the time.😂

[@hotrodband-]

Ronnie should challenge Seb to a charity boxing fight. Humble Seb and raise some money for a good cause.

[@Spooky_515]

I’m not a big baz fan but that soy boy looking dude ain’t whooping nobody lol

[@maddymcmadingson6296]

@@Spooky_515 he went to prison for that exactly and the other guy ended up dead lol

[@planetmotherfuckers]

Dude sounds like a little punk tbh. I don’t give a shit what he can do.

[@tinawillits8223]

I am a huge Sebastian Bach fan and just because that torp went to prison doesn't mean he was on the other side of the soap

[@tinawillits8223]

Twerp lol

[@mimimonster]

Having recently learned about Sebastian Bach’s supposed history, seems like this is exactly how someone should’ve expected him to react.

[@AlexAlexon3897]

Sebastian Bach lost a fight to Jon Bon Jovi 32 years ago. The guy's a fool.

[@user-ty2xv6xw8j]

@AlexAlexon3897 NO! Not what happened at all!! JBJ was pissed off that Skid Row tee- shirts were outselling JBJ tees....their road crew dumped a bucket of icemilk on his head as he walked out on stage. Bach yelled profanity at them 🤣 After the show, JBJ had his Daddy and 2 brothers ambush him , while JBJ could only yell at Baz for being ungrateful...he couldn't even throw a punch himself! I can tell you Snake will verify this. JBJ is a p****. They JBJ & Ritchie Sambora took a huge cut of SR's earnings for years, in an unfair deal. Ritchie grew a heart & gave his SR $$ back to SR. JBJ is an ego maniac, who contrary to what he says cheated on his wife back then....

[@user-ty2xv6xw8j]

@AlexAlexon3897 NO! He didn't 🙄. JBJ had his road crew dump icemilk on him as he was walking on stage..JBJ was jealous of SR tee- shirts outselling theirs. Bach fired off on stage about it. Afterward, JBJ's daddy and 2 brothers jumped him. JBJ didn't throw a punch...Snake can verify this. Brothers held down while daddy punched him. 👊

[@ejune0381]

falling in reverse puts on an amazing show. I saw them live in OKC and was blown away. I have seen so many bands in concert and apart from bring me the horizon they were one of the best concerts I've been to.

[@patrickcrady904]

What are you 12, you need to live a little. Was that you 2nd show?

[@Cayde-8]

Hey a fellow Oklahoman! Dont see many of us here!

[@fernandorodrigues2341]

​@@patrickcrady904and you're a bigass 90old that forgot things changed? Or another kid pissed off cuz that's not good for your ears and you can't respect the others opinion??

[@Primitive01]

@@patrickcrady904 “What are you 12”? Can’t even write in your own language correctly.. Fool.

[@BazookaToe]

“Can’t wait to meet you in person. Name the time and place and I will introduce you to Rock and Roll in person man.” Sounds like a quote straight out of Steven Seagals next straight to video masterpiece. 🙄

[@snoopygirl7741]

You new gens will never experience real music unfortunately

[@alexandregolovanov5905]

Ronnie will fuck him up in a roid rage

[@jvincemusic]

dude just referenced Steven Segal, what evidence do you have that he’s not 70 years old?

[@PhyreI3ird]

@@snoopygirl7741 Sorry but was that even relevant to the post you're responding to, or are you still figuring out computers?

[@eternalvigilance5697]

@@snoopygirl7741 Yeah, yeah. Back when I was a teen in the 90s I had 30-40 year old guys telling me Smashing Pumpkins sucked too. Just embrace your old status already. I enjoy the old and the new and I am 42 years old. If you can't see how great a band like Architects is just because they are "new", then you are the problem.

[@danielolsen1566]

This is the most random beef ever

[@bryguy87]

I love live Rock shows! Been chasing bands all over the world to see my favs perform. Some of the best productions I’ve ever seem all have some kind of lighting effects.. pyrotechnics… lasers… fog… fireworks… etc. and guess what runs all of those.. computers. Especially if you wanna get the new, younger fans (30secs attention) interested in your show you need a kickass production.

[@YoungDeathWish]

sorry but Ronnie went to prison for 2 years, and he's half Sebastians age, and in great shape. I don't think Sebastian would win that fight.

[@bendershome4discountorphan859]

As vet musician and a founding father of wyomings premire music festival there is nobody that does not use "tracks" music isnt just old school instruments if bach had a hit after the 80s he would know that

[@55Porter]

He had a #1 album in 1991 soooo....

[@symphonyinkart]

Shots fired …. …

[@adamphillips6747]

There are plenty of bands that DON"T use tracks. Like what they started saying, it's just become the norm. I personally like the miscues and changes on the fly that Tracks don't allow.

[@michellebrown7714]

@@55Porter and hasnt done shit since 96

[@55Porter]

@@michellebrown7714 he was a world famous Broadway leading man in the 2000's.

[@jayraymond9707]

The more exposure I have to rockstars, the more I realize they’re a bunch of drama queens.

[@veronicafox399]

They really are. Even local guys in unknown bands.

[@cirtainrod9492]

😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@abelmontalvo4052]

You must listen to country music

[@Mr1Tanker]

They're drama queens and part of the virtue-signalling woke leftist entertainment bunch at the same time... a real cluster-fuck!

[@rafaelajennings8160]

they are famous dude, what other reason if not to draw the world's attention to themselves, did they become famous?

[@dopeymark]

I worked for the Geek Squad before Best Buy bought the business. We supported the computers on site at lots of rock and roll shows and other shows such as the Blue Man group. Laptops have been a part of shows for at least 25 years just in case anyone thought otherwise. It doesn't mean that the band or performers are faking anything. The Rolling Stones have laptops going at their concerts.

[@shernigz]

I currently work for Geek Squad lol

[@shernigz]

I currently work for Geek Squad lol

[@protoolsfanatic7276]

i listened to these guys for the first time and didn't know these guys do hip hop-metal so that being said yes they will need loops and backing tracks for that style of music. nothing wrong with that as long as backing track aren't singing for him imo.

[@CodyTyler94]

Yea because threatening a jacked dude in his 30s who’s served prison time is a good idea..

[@andysalter7192]

Jacked ?

[@shockt9610]

@@andysalter7192 if you seen him before prison vs after. Yes he’s definitely jacked now lol

[@tammyvanwinkle8870]

@@shockt9610 that's cause all they do is pump weights and play ♠️ lol

[@User-54631]

I’d say radke probably coming in about a fit 185-195 vs Bach looks like a soft 240-250. With youth and more documentation of throwing down. My money is on radke.

[@MsCruisein]

He, as a 22 year old, went to a high school to fight with an 18 year old kid, and Ronnie's friend brought a gun and killed the kid. He was charged with battery with substantial injury and got probation. He only went to prison for violating the terms of that probation, missing his appointment. He hits women. He brings guns to fist fights. He's not tough. Any man could/would kick his ass.

[@marsincharge]

I am ready for FIR to drop another banger. Bach can talk all the mess he wants, it will just give Ronnie more inspiration for his next song. Some people just can't accept that we all in a different time. It can't and won't stay the same, that is not how something evolves.

[@annamarie8168]

What “bangers”

[@gagalover2k10]

@@annamarie8168 you wouldn’t get it.

[@victorious1929]

Never be better than S.Bach

[@VVinsanitYY]

Bach is laughing at his "bangers"

[@Nattapong69]

@@annamarie8168 Every single song on no sympathy for the dead EP. Every single song on dying is your latest fashion. Raised by wolves on the drug in me is you. I hate everyone/f you and all your friends on coming home. F the rest on fashionably late. Singles, voices in my head was awesome. Losing my mind/losing my life are tearjerking anthems. Like, I can list 100 more? lol. The start of this guys career was creating the only album in the world without a bad song on it.

[@sherriecorvino6477]

Sebastian couldn't fight his way out of my pocketbook.

[@lorettasearcy1471]

Lmfao I agree with you he's all talk, plus he's out of shape.

[@sherriecorvino6477]

I agree lol

[@lorettasearcy1471]

@@sherriecorvino6477 such a 😳 he used to be so good looking

[@overtheunder1133]

The best part of seeing a band you love live is the little nuances and variations of songs you've heard a thousand times.. extra riffs or drum fills. Even changed lyrics or fuck ups. It's all part of the live experience that make it great in my opinion

[@bonniefulton230]

That is true but many bands have that skll without any backup tracks they can just do it all on their own by using their imaginations when they play their instruments or sing their vocals

[@ProjectGRIDLOKT]

@@bonniefulton230 as I agree with laptops and back tracks being necessary, I agree with this. Some of the best bands out there can use their imagination or vision to produce these shows and songs, but what about orchestral stuff or synthetic sounds? Some of it can be created on guitars or sometimes drums, but we all aren't EVH or Neil Peart and able to produce these revolutionary sounds without backing tracks.

[@bonniefulton230]

@@ProjectGRIDLOKT [ guess it's the difference between natural beauty and make up. Either you have it or you fake it. We live in a fake world. Even photos lie these days thanks to photo shop.and editing. I ran into an elderly guy who was watching a live band (no tracks or laptops) jam it out and he said to me, "They need matching outfits. Nice 2 piece slacks and a jacket. Then they will look like an ensemble. They will never get anywhere looking like this". Why did he think that. Cuz he was old and that's what bands in his day did. And musicians of the past had talent without backup. And that's what people expected just like they expected matching outfits on groups. Today's people accept back up as normal while older people long for natural talent. If they hear a trumpet, they want to see a trumpet. WATCH the player makev the musical from his heart and soul. Admire his talent. It's like watching someone paint a masterpiece vs letting a computer do it. It a great end result either way but you.took the heart and soul right out of it. It's the difference between getting the photo right in the camera the first time or correcting everything about it by editing. Anyone can program a computer but can anyone touch your soul acapella?

[@evilfantasy69]

@@ProjectGRIDLOKT Since you mention Neil Peart. It's no secret that Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee used pedals to trigger backing tracks playing live. Alex can't play two guitars at once and Geddy can't play the keyboard and bass at the same time. It's also no secret that Alex "singing" backup vocals sound exactly like Geddys voice in concerts. I'm sure Falling in Reverse could get by without backing tracks but that would mean hiring more touring musicians and that is not cheap. They deserve to make as much money as they can and backing tracks are how they save money to make money.

[@ProjectGRIDLOKT]

@Clyde minimal is not possible anymore. Maybe if your band still only uses standard instruments, but a lot of bands have orchestral sounds, synth sounds, and many need a DJ position to run half the production. This isn't a new thing either, especially when Nu Metal was huge. A lot of the variety of sounds being heard have to sometimes come from multiple guitars as well, some groups may only have 2 guitars and can't mix all of it without taking from something else. Computers are essential to the production of a concert set, it's not a new thing either. Ronnie is actually defending that fact because what those other 2 are saying is that it's a weak excuse and downplaying the need for the laptops. Anyone who says they aren't necessary either haven't put together a concert in the past 20 years or don't have a bands big enough to do it.

[@NYJordan90_1P]

Rock Feed bro you explained it so well. Thank you for explaining it to those that don't already know. I respect the ways of the older generation but I love that rock has evolved to include more music styles and we're able to experience that live. 🤘🏻

[@RockFeed]

Thank you. Always trying to improve. 🤘

[@mr.smithgnrsmith7808]

You mean DEVOLVE

[@Bigdogfindley]

@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808 You lost all credibility with the GNR thing...

[@kennysteele3585]

@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808, do you only listen to music with acoustic guitars? Just curious to what happened when electric ones came out.

[@Jacev_]

As long as certain elements remain live performance like the core band members (vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboard etc), I don't mind if a band needs a laptop for the remaining aspects of their shows (like the orchestral parts of a song for starters). Especially if a band is performing primarily from a setlist that requires a laptop to keep these parts of a song intact without trying to tour with an entire orchestra, keep the laptops. They need it, the show needs it and the audience would appreciate it too. Again, like I said, just as long as the core band members performing are playing live because after all, we paid tickets to see them actually play live.

[@WandamianCrucifixplate]

Sebastian Bach backed Skid Row was my childhood soundtrack. His history has always saddened me. Also I just saw Falling in Reverse at aftershock and although there were tracks each band member was authentically playing. So theres no problem here. Heres the thing, the people who complain about tracks but then praise slipknot truly show they know nothing about music. Secondly, those who complain about laptops used by bands playing in festivals is beyond me. Theres literally thousands of uses that a laptop comes in clutch for at live performances.

[@coleycole2nite]

They should duke it out in the Pantera pit next year, it could be like fight club, but at a Pantera concert. My money goes on Ronnie. Sebastian’s youth gone wild days are long gone lol

[@bobbilowery2975]

The only thing Sebastian Bach is good at is running his big mouth!! I'll admit, he was damn good looking once upon a time.....but that was DECADES ago!!

[@bobbilowery2975]

@Gen X I totally respect your opinion! I was just offering mine as well.

[@majincookies]

@Gen X but the music also sucks

[@tinawillits8223]

Just cuz he's older don't mean he can't kick ass!!! My money is on my Sebastian

[@colico14]

No fighting! It's bad for rock n' roll! Unless it's Saturday night. Lol.

[@VapnFagan]

The point is, Just because your laptop is gone, You should still be able to perform just a regular, raw, live show. No fancy backing tracks, no samples, Just a guitar, bass, drum and singer. They could at the very least, of done that for the fans. The show might have been a bit more dry but at least is was raw and they gave it there best. I think thats the point people are trying to make.

[@joshcostello2795]

If Falling in Reverse would've done that people would've bitched about the performance regardless, at least this way they get their money back.

[@connoriquada5429]

They could have done that but people would have complained so hard. People would have been even more pissed I bet. They have a set standard for their shows and if the fans didn’t get that they’d be right pissed. Imagine if Slipknot did that…

[@feliciab5019]

Someone commented that the laptops can be used to run the lights and stuff as well. I also agree with the two comments above. :)

[@evacody1249]

🤦‍♂️ part of having the laptop could also help the guys on guitar have less of a pedal board to worry about. It's also let's them use keyboards with out having a live keyboard player.

[@XX-wz5ik]

@@joshcostello2795 sounds like a lame band then! Lol

[@phoenyxrising12]

Wow... As a LONG time Skid Row fan I can't believe how close minded Bas is being. Ronnie is gonna mop the floor with him!! RIP Sebastian ⚰️🧟🤘🤘

[@AlastorsShadowDemon]

Can Ronnie really afford to get into trouble again?

[@tinawillits8223]

Sebastian Bach still tours and puts on real live shows with a great crowd that appreciates real live music n has never canceled because his laptop has milk spilled on it or forgot to charge it LOL I have gone to many of those shows to back that up. I'd like to know where this other crybaby would be in 35 yrs ...at least people still remember Sebastian Bach!

[@princeofpcos9804]

Seb Bach may be a skinny rocker but he is very tall and long reach and wingspan. Dude in this video looks as athletic as an average 12 year old

[@AlexAlexon3897]

@@tinawillits8223: I remember Sebastian Bach for losing a fight to Jon Bon Jovi in 1990. 😅

[@tinawillits8223]

@@AlexAlexon3897 He didn't lose he threw a punch and missed because Jon Bon blow me had his dad jump in... Sebastian was a speed freak listening to Metallica and Jon listening to Bruce Springsteen with a fax machine....I'd do the math and research. Money is still on Sebastian over this Ronnie guy..just saying

[@johnpatterson4272]

Bach never should have waded into this quibbling mess. Radke is a diva whom threw his own road crew 'under-the-bus'. Bach should have let this dude unravel naturally and sink his band into obscurity. It's NO secret practically every major touring band uses backing-tracks in one form or another, it's no longer a big deal. I agree with the sentiment of most the commenters to this video in-that professional musicians should still possess the ability to perform live at a moment's notice even without 21st century technology.

[@RockFeed]

Does it bother you if a musician uses a laptop for their performance or backing tracks?

[@HaXaW5150]

No. I get it and I'm 55 years old, so whatever keeps the show going do it Of course, play the guitar or drums in front of you. Never let that part be taken away from you.

[@lbr2592]

I really don't care. If that's what that band wants to do then who cares really. If the music sounds good I guess. It should be the experience of fans that counts since they are the biggest critics.

[@adamedwards3921]

It doesn't bother me in today's day and age for the money it cost for a concert I don't want a bad show I'd rather backing tracks than a show canceled cus someone's sick or can't sing for some reason

[@stevelibby6852]

It bothers me they do not back up their data.

[@fluxision4823]

Yes

[@krismoon3901]

This just feels like a couple of kids on a playground fighting over the same toys...

[@clintwestwood1895]

I met Sebastian at a big liquor store in Vegas. He was very cool and friendly, we chatted for a few minutes about Rock. The Skid Row front man was buying Sirah wine.

[@user-ty2xv6xw8j]

Love ❤️ him.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

He's a wine-o and a stoner, so the fact that he wanted to fight Ronnie, who has been sober for over a decade, PLUS being 56 vs 40. Yeah, he needs to shut his mouth or someone's gonna shut it for him.

[@KingsOwn19]

Just saw them at Aftershock This explains all the laptop references he was making during their set lol

[@davidpaul6656]

Sebastian wants to fight everyone when he gets drunk 🤦🤣

[@dynamicphotography_]

Lol, go home Sabastian, you're drunk.

[@itsbayside6802]

and ronnie sends all his fans to attack who he doesnt like when hes sober.

[@MulletHead87]

People like to share their musical taste with their neighbors these quarantine days. My neighbor has been listening to death metal the entire day at full volume. Whether he likes it or not.

[@nobodyimportant1337]

I was about to ask why my daughter is going by Steve on KZbin😂. I now have most of the Black Metal catalog memorized. 😂

[@awfulyowu5157]

It's really weird seeing musicians/ people in the music industry not understand how a laptop can be a critical part of a live show. It seems like common sense that some songs have certain sounds that a guitar, bass, and drums cant produce. It kinda feels like they had a hot take, didn't think it through all the way, and are too hard headed to take back their statement.

[@shinatoIV]

I'm with Radke on this one. It's nice and all to be able to play everything live, but if I'm going to pay $40+ for a ticket to a show, idgaf how much help the artist gets from their laptop as long as they still play the majority of their songs actually live and the experience is memorable. I saw Animals as Leaders live and even they needed to use samples yet still made the show unforgettable. To each their own, but these older bands need to move on.

[@jimiraybeckton]

I think the point is that while the “real” rock bands use tracks for certain things, the show would indeed go on if they weren’t there. They’d turn on the amps and make music. I think Eddie and Sebastian are saying it’s sad the whole show 100% depends on computers being operational. Just my guess though, and who the hell am I!

[@thejusticeization]

Exactly!!!

[@SilasoftheLamb]

Regardless if you use them or not, a good well rehearsed sounding band should be able to play without them. My band IronWrath uses them but, we sound huge with out it as well and I like it without it but, we have stuff from the album that would cost us a small fortune to hire LIVE people to tour with us. So we use it (computer) . But, if it goes down, plan B comes to play and we still have a good time with out it. 😂. Falling in Reverse needs a plan B!

[@TheJokesterSCR]

@@SilasoftheLamb My band a few years ago had our laptop malfunction right in the middle of a song, and it was so embarrassing. We tried to start the song again and it happened again. So, our guitarist just slammed the laptop closed and we played the rest of the set raw without even a click track. Watching a video of the difference is pretty night and day because we have a lot of stringed instruments and without them our songs sound totally different. People were still supportive, but it was a really crappy show in comparison.

[@SilasoftheLamb]

@@TheJokesterSCR wow, yea, I could see it becoming a bear if we rely on some things like strings, piano, loops. Sorry you guys went through that as I had a laptop malfunction in a different band and the drummer frozed and didn’t know what to do. So I had to put my guitar to the side to reboot the laptop which seemed like eternity and we were off again to finish. I think if bands would have a plan B , which is playing the songs without it and balls it out on parts missing, it would be ok. Cheers!

[@mikepriestey2547]

Yep, they can do the orchestra sounds, choire voices and multiple keyboards just by jamming with their guitars... Seriously, some of the nonsense people talk is hilarious. 🤦‍♂️

[@Ryo7_7]

Sebastian will break in half if he even tried to throw a punch lol. Geez…

[@Danboi.]

Idk man, Sebastian can throw down. He's a brawler..seen him smash a few times

[@DarknessFlameMedia]

@@Danboi. hes also about 20 years older than ronnie and not in a good way

[@thejusticeization]

@@DarknessFlameMedia 20? more like 30

[@tammyvanwinkle8870]

@@DarknessFlameMedia what? That means he's incapable lmfao 🤣 just cause he's older don't mean he ain't going to be able to show young pups how to rock n roll 🤘

[@User-54631]

@@tammyvanwinkle8870 watch the Evander Holyfield vs vitor belfor fight. One of the greatest to ever do it literally looked like he was about to get killed in the ring. Less age difference between those two then Bach and radke. Radke done some time for someone getting killed for a fight he was in. Never heard of Bach doing time.

[@Jack-ot1zq]

Sounds like modern bands use laptops as a crutch, unable to perform without them, instead of laptops providing those intro/outro’s

[@silent9pc]

Sebastian Bach's show last October was cancelled in NY, with no reason given. Not even sure how he can comment why another artist cancels their show for a valid and legit reason.

[@KeithDaviesMusic]

One thing we all need to remember here is that Ronnie called out Sebastian when he tweeted about Eddie Trunk. So, all you guys crapping on Sebastian, he's only sticking up for himself. He didn't start this argument (for once!) There was no need to bring Sebastian into this altercation at all. However, over the years there have been a few incidents where I could see people's points regarding Sebastian, but this time around I don't see where it's warranted? The fact that internet trolls are now bashing Sebastian's weight and age just shows the average KZbinr what type of people there are on here! Everybody gets old.. Your turn will come..

[@c9ffin]

everyone bashing Bas bc he thinks he could take Ronnie in a fight. And guess what the more obvious reasons that he wouldn't stand a chance be.. YOU GUESSED IT! His age and weight! And as for Ronnie calling him out, it was still more directed toward Eddie to call him a hypocrite. Thought that would be obvious enough but ig that just shows what a 'non-average KZbinr' knows. No one would be bashing him if he didn't make himself look and sound so ridiculous

[@feliciab5019]

Begging for an actual fight because someone called you an idiot, while also making the point about how most bands, including some legacy bands, using back tracks and whatnot isn’t exactly a proper response. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ezradanger]

I'd fight Sebastian Bach. I wouldn't want to fight Ronnie Radke.

[@shockt9610]

@Gen X bro Ronnie’s been to prison. He can fight…

[@nobodyimportant1337]

@Gen X I’m solidly GenX, I love Bas in all his chaotic glory. Ronnie would destroy him. It wouldn’t even be close.

[@tammyvanwinkle8870]

@@shockt9610 saw, don't make you bad

[@ezradanger]

@Gen X possibly, but I doubt it. And while going to prison doesn't automatically mean you're tough, but considering he has a charge for battery it's not really honest to say he'd run away from a fight. But sure man, keep thinking that gen x and boomers are somehow automatically tough and everyone that came after is automatically a sissy.

[@nobodyimportant1337]

@Gen X Ronnie did 2 1/2 years in Federal prison…because of a fight. He had a tough childhood and grew up fighting anyone and everyone. People may not like his music, and that’s ok, opinions differ. He had extreme anger issues, which he’s been dealing with, but on the ability to fight side? Yeah he can. He’s actually one of those crazy type fighters. It’s a weird dichotomy, but he’s honestly one of “those” guys who kinda lose their minds and he has a very street mentality. I love Bas, and I know he could throw drown, especially back in the day. Ronnie is …different. I love them both, but they are both egotistical, narcissistic prima donnas. As all really good frontmen are😂😂😂

[@dannysavage1037]

I've been to many rock shows and the only one that canceled was falling in reverse, on me and my girls anniversary. They never refunded our tickets either, just sad man.

[@shredder646]

I’m 46 years old. I grow up on Black Sabbath, Ozzy, GNR, Skid Row, Ect. I also am a musician. You have to change with the times. I’ve played drums since I was 3 years old, got bored with them and switched to guitar at age 12. After working factory job my whole life my hands don’t work like they use to. So I went back to drums. I bought a nice Electric set with mesh heads and I love it. I use laptop for effects, and samples ect. We are in the year 2023, we have cars that drive themselves, drones, ect. These newer bands using laptops is just part of living in today, not yesterday. I love all music, and respect all the old bands that paved the way, and have mad love and respect for these newer bands. No offense, I was and still a huge Skid row/ Bach fan. His voice in his prime was truly AMAZING! But age has not been kind to him. Hearing Bach live now………..horrible! Ruins the great master pieces I enjoyed growing up. You have to know when it’s time to call it quits. Or just perform in your own home. Lol.

[@jcfontaine0017]

Sebastian acting like we haven't known him for lip syncing lmao

[@decode.666]

or Gilmore Girls ...

[@hmpz36911]

@@decode.666 What's wrong with Gilmore Girls?

[@hmpz36911]

Never heard him even associated with lip syncing before...

[@decode.666]

@@hmpz36911 Many things. Especially Rory.

[@jcfontaine0017]

@@hmpz36911 must be living under a rock lmao

[@Sasquatch64]

I never heard of Falling In Reverse. I do know who Sebastian Bach is. Because of the Trailer Park Boys I want to like him, but he always says things that make that very difficult.

[@dirtrhoads]

THEY ARE PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER!!! Like a generational mirror. It's just daddy and son issues.

[@planetmotherfuckers]

This is the most accurate comment here lol

[@anthonycobetto4370]

As a person who constantly worries about his shit getting stolen i can relate to this alot.

[@bedroomarcade3160]

stop hanging out with crack heads

[@Riskmangler]

They should have honored their commitment to perform. Play the instruments and do a set without all the extras. That would have earned them new fans and tons of respect. But they did the other thing: They quit.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

It was a lose-lose situation. They utilize a LOT of elements that would come from the laptops because their music is pretty diverse. People were either going to be pissed that they canceled or gave a half-assed performance.

[@michellebrown7714]

@@TheJokesterSCR THIS, the point everyone is missing

[@justinellis9465]

If my band used backing tracks or any midi synced audio/lightning commands I would have a copy of that on a thumb drive as a backup and probably have many backups for each member in case of something like this were to happen.

[@EddieDexx]

Or even better, having it on Microsoft's OneDrive or Google Drive. No need for a USB drive as backup.

[@MrStoutfool]

This is exactly what I was thinking. If that’s stopping you from doing a show, be better prepared and have a backup plan. Definitely don’t publicly blame your crew. I would have just cancelled without this as an explanation. That’s inviting criticism. I bet that won’t happen again…?

[@Triple-Four]

They had backups, those also got sent to another state with the original laptops.

[@Triple-Four]

@@MrStoutfool ^

[@CLBCrew96]

Makes no since. He does sing live. The band plays live. Alot of the sounds to their songs are not playable on an instrument.

[@frankzebzda86]

The only problem I have with computer use in music is when they use them to write the whole damn song, no actual instruments used. But I would love to hear someone say ronnie doesn't write his own music. Dude is the literal computer of the group.

[@dieanotherjared]

Totally valid point. With one of my bands, I write most of the music. I'm not an insane guitar player so sometimes I'll use MIDI to write parts that I can't play myself when creating a demo. But when we record the actual song professionally I get our real guitarist to record the part I wrote on a real guitar.

[@Metaldad87]

As a musician myself there's a lot of different reasons to use a laptop live. One of them being samples or orchestra, additional vocals like harmonies that were done in the studio but for whatever reason can't be done live. Also some bands even run amp sims straight to front of house instead of using traditional amps, or they have all their patch changes for different songs set up in midi so you don't have to be switching presets all the time then you set it up to a click so your drummer gets the click in their in ears so they make sure they're on tempo consistently

[@mr.smithgnrsmith7808]

How about plugging the fuck in and letting your talent speak for itself….

[@ligmaballzac1584]

The technology is absolutely useful and an amazing upgrade for rock as a whole. Ronnie on the other hand has probably set us back 100 years. We are gonna need a new sabbath to remove that stain. How can you be a rock star and have that low of self confidence in your craft that any and all criticism is met with him throwing a temper tantrum at you? Supposedly cussing is the brains subconscious way of letting it catch up because you dont know what to say next, so keep fuckin and shittin and leet speaking because it's all you'll be remembered for, that and " life is like videogame! Trying hard to beat the stage" lol dweeb

[@mikelachey824]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Guess that's why there hasn't been a decent new band in years

[@97McLuvin]

@@mikelachey824 you probaly think Metallica is ReAl HeAvYMeTaL I can't imagine being so wrong and vocal at the same time "LOLOLOLOLOL"

[@mikelachey824]

@@97McLuvin I think Metallica is utter garbage. I think that Cliff Burton was an amazing musician. As far as Metallica goes, nice try. I played in a speed metal band that played actual speed metal and symphonic metal. I live in German for close to 2 decades, bud. Sorry, we didn't use computers, laptops, or any of that shit. Hustle somebody who doesn't actually make real music

Theres something funny about seeing a man talking shit about how things were done before internet while also threatening another man half his age on Twitter of all places.

[@htmn4hire176]

Imagine being 55 and wanting to throw hands over an online argument.

[@liljoe5139]

No Laptop’s …… oh no !! Please someone call HUNTER….. he’s got experience in these matters !! 😂😂

[@tammyvanwinkle8870]

🤣💥🤘🤟

[@abelmontalvo4052]

Or you can call Ted Cruz or just visit him in Cancun

[@AlexAlexon3897]

Hunter Biden. Now there's someone who doesn't sell secrets to Putin.

[@SenpaiTheExplorer]

There are bands today that dont use any laptops or backing tracks. but not all bands are capable of doing that due to certain elements that are used in their songs. Its a creative choice it doesnt mean the band is any less talented. Nikki gets it.

[@dogslobbergardens6606]

Eddie Trunk thinking about launching his own band is by FAR the funniest part of this whole silly debacle.

[@dieanotherjared]

Unfortunately Trunk & Bach are still living in the 80's. Welcome to 2022, where most bands and artists use laptops during their live performances for various reasons. Some uses for laptops onstage include click tracks for drummers, IEM systems so that the musicians can hear themselves and each other, backing tracks for instruments and effects that cannot be performed live without a full on orchestra/choir/DJ etc. Laptops are even used for the lighting during a live performance in alot of cases so that the lights match up to each song and their vibe. Yes, there are some bands/artists that tend to overuse technology onstage but for the most part that is not the case, especially with a band like Falling In Reverse where each member is amazingly talented on their respective instrument, not to mention they can all sing incredibly! Just my 2 cents.

[@francescov.3610]

Most modern music is unfortunately crap though so why not live in the 80s where music was objectively better?

[@ryanbollinger1759]

@@francescov.3610 Music was not objectively better. I’m convinced you don’t know Jack about music if your mind is that closed. I listen from everything from Deathcore to pop to Emo rap, to EDM and my roommate is a producer. People who say music was better in X generation are just closed minded. I’ll list some incredible modern bands right now. Bad Omens Lorna Shore Slaughter to Prevail Brand of Sacrifice Ice Nine Kills Spiritbox Motionless in White Darko US Currents Tallah Many more.

[@tinawillits8223]

@@ryanbollinger1759 the music industry does suck nowadays because it's not music it's all computer plain and simple. I am a generation that is a bit younger than Sebastian and Eddie trunk but I know my music and I know the bands that I come to see are all real no fakes no tapes and Sebastian is one of them he delivers a good show and things beautifully every time then and now it doesn't need to cancel the show because he's thirsty or his tape broke or his laptop fell and got milk spilled on it ! He is angry because you people don't understand how hard these artists work he is on a bel canto scale and has worked on his voice for many years to put on a live show for people that come to see him play live! It's just complete cheating when they put in the work not the computer

[@abelmontalvo4052]

You can keep your two cents the only thing Eddie Trunk is saying is go out there and play your instruments and perform live forget your computer for that one show

[@abelmontalvo4052]

@@ryanbollinger1759 it was better in the 80s and 90s all those bands you mentioned most of them are Auto-Tune and sound like crap

[@naruto199797]

Bach looks so tough until you hear his voice

[@KRigby]

They said the same thing about Tyson lol (not saying he is Tyson)

[@symphonyinkart]

@@KRigby 😂 👏🏻

[@abelmontalvo4052]

Yeah but he doesn't punch with his voice

[@tinawillits8223]

I know right? Cuz he sings like such an angel we love you Sebastian

[@naruto199797]

@@tinawillits8223 read again

[@Scuba_Bro]

In classic ‘Vegas bets’ style I have to put my money on Sebastian Bach… he has that classic unhinged anger 😂

[@robertreed7963]

i saw him the morning after ( pops nightclub in Stl ) he got tased by Kansas Citys finest. He is wild. Not an act just for cameras.

[@brian770]

omg, how did the greatest bands of the 60 and 70's even exist without laptops......ac/dc, kiss, judas priest, black sab, rolling stones. all of them just went on stage and rocked it out......

[@xafbxmoto269]

Exactly

[@leifanderson3487]

Off topic, imagine how many amazing songs and albums were never created by our favorite bands because they were too focused on performing "live".

[@0326Vet]

Kiss had back up off stage players and lipsynced to tracks notoriously through the 80's, Rolling stones had tons of production work at their shows, Ozzy notoriously had a backing vocalist, the lead singer to warrant started as a backing vocalist for him, Judas Priest uses backing tracks, ac/dc didn't need any effects because all their songs is the exact same lol

[@tinawillits8223]

Exactly...But trying to explain it to all these knuckle heads is like pulling teeth!

[@zumgvaclwngmepfn3066]

How can you call them real musicians when they're all dependent on this new fangled electricity to perform? In my day, played drums made from hide stretch over a pot and that's how we liked it. If you had a problem with your drum, you just went and hunted another wooly mammoth and made a new drum. All these fake rock and roll artists just let electricity do the work - how can anyone take them seriously as rock and roll when it was our generation that invented wheels in the stone age. That's the real rock and roll.

[@LN-Lifer]

Jackyl is fuckin fantastic live. At Woodstock 94 they ruled!

[@robinblades600]

Jackyl played at the bar I worked at in the late 90's, these guy's were super cool, I got to keep the bar stool they cut up on stag!

[@LN-Lifer]

@@robinblades600 That's cool!

[@AlexAlexon3897]

The band who wrote She Loves My Cock? Intelligent.

[@nashvegasmgt]

Imagine thinking laptops only control backing tracks 🥱 A FIR show is complete different than a Skid Row show. It’s theatrical. It needs the effects to be proper. They would’ve gotten crucified for putting on a subpar show, knowing what their fans are used to. I think RR deserves some credit for at least being honest about the reason for cancellation.

[@titmusspaultpaul5]

Your talking back stage control. The band are talking personal lap tops. Metallica put on a HUGE STUNNING show without them. Videos, explosions etc.... your argument totally fails.

[@nashvegasmgt]

@@titmusspaultpaul5 sorry dude, that’s NOT what I’m talking about. I’m simply saying they control more (dependent on the artist, OBVIOUSLY) than just backing tracks. Artist here. Your argument totally fails, and my sound guys agree✌🏼

[@nashvegasmgt]

@Tim J please be more obtuse 🙄 Point out where I said that theatrical shows didn’t exist? I SAID a Skid Row show doesn’t compare to a FIR show in that context. If you need proof, go watch FIR videos.

[@kapuda9364]

Guess people have never seen Rammstien-NIN-Static X-Disturbed etc....

[@rustyshakelford1279]

“ Name the time and place!……Hopefully that place is the Golden Corral buffet at lunchtime”

[@AvengedHate26]

I would rather my hard earned money go to a band that’s gonna have all their equipment and give us the best show they can possibly give us then feel like I wasted my money seeing a band I know can do better otherwise. I understand having a show your excited to go to cancel sucks but there are worse things to come up than that in honesty

[@dreadassembly4087]

Hyper redundancy would be a great idea incase your laptop is stolen or it crashes. No problem with people using laptops to add effects live that were added in the studio recordings, and sometimes having prerecorded tracks can save a show if a musician falls ill or something. Just tell the crowd what happened.

[@lonniesands1716]

They’re just showing their ages. It’s the classic “okay boomer” situation. Music is music and if you cannot accept progression, you will be left behind. Simple as that. You see it in hip hop pretty hardcore too.

[@aslackjr4466]

All it comes down to is the fan getting their money's worth. If they are enjoying the show they can care less about the reason why they are. For the first time in my 53 years of life I was able to see dream theater in Atlanta a few months ago and I'm sure there were some effects and background provided by a laptop needless to say I was over the moon watching their performance and hearing their great music

[@NickyHC]

I can't take this seriously! 😂😂

[@neneargueta8332]

I for one, would pay to see something like this.

[@ECopas]

I’d pay extra to see Radke beat the piss out of Bach

[@neneargueta8332]

@@ECopas my money is on Bach completely folding radke.

[@toadfrommario943]

@@neneargueta8332 how?💀 the dude is old and not in the best shape

[@ECopas]

@@neneargueta8332 we can agree to disagree…either way I’d pay to see it lol

[@neneargueta8332]

@@ECopas I know, it’s just last time I saw Ronnie he kinda looked like a twig

[@HashiAkitaPuppy]

Aerosmith has "6th member" Buck Johnson filling in on piano and backing vocals, that's why the piano keeps playing when Tyler gets up on the piano to sing.

[@timgridley1299]

This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I had with my guidance counselor I had back in I think 1989. I asked her if she had any advice for me to make it in the world. Her response consisted of only two words: "neck tattoo".

[@LogicallyKnot]

Quite possiblity one of the most absurd things I've ever seen someone do. Looks like someone got ahold of his ass with a Sharpie.

[@speed6725]

You would think that for as long as Eddie Trunk has been in or close to the business, he would know that laptops are needed in some cases.

[@TheCMGiordano]

The problem is that, as much as Eddie loves music and knows about its history, he doesn't really know anything about how it's made.

[@blaskostoneisded]

I feel like the point is being missed here... they canceled their show rather than just doing a show without the laptop...if they are any kind of a decent band (Which they are) they can pick songs that don't require a laptop and still do a good show. That's what sucks about this whole thing... using tracks for special effects and a little extra oomph is fine. Don't get me wrong. My band uses them for intros and clip drops, but half the time we go to the event, and they don't have the specific hook up we need, so we just do it without the special effects... and everyone still has a great time. They disappointed their fans and didn't need to. That's pretty much What pisses off a lot of people. Not them using tracks.

[@lagronemikal]

Completely agree. This is where punk rock bands are superior. You'd never hear this from them. DIY. Plug in, turn it up, rock out. Simple. Computers are fine but to not be able to perform without them is some Millennial/Gen-Z shit.

[@kalibwelker]

The only issue is, the musicians that Ronnie hired to play on tour would have to learn more of the old songs and rehearse them in a small time frame. It doesn't matter how amazing the musicians are it still takes time to get the songs down.

[@blaskostoneisded]

@@kalibwelkerUnderstood, but maybe that's something you should possibly plan for? Just in case something like this happens again? (I remember a few years back we had a song that used a sequencer but we couldn't get the sequencer to work, so we just swapped that song out for another one... But then again if you're hiring musicians and not using regulars all the time I guess it's different.) Also it just seems like that's making everything a little more dangerous. I mean God forbid someone accidentally stepped on a cable connector that was running to the laptop and all of a sudden it shut off? I imagine that would be pretty embarrassing if there aren't real instruments of some kind going with it. To each their own, I guess.

[@spookshow6999]

Man I can’t believe we’re all getting this old.

[@Bobby_Uterus]

I commented on the situation without really being familiar with this band. I was going off looks alone. I thought they were a metal band. I did not realize that they are some weird hip hop band with metal elements. I didn’t realize Ronald was a rapper. It makes total sense now why they were not able to do a show without their laptop. 85% of the actual show music is on that thing. Imagine going and seeing a hip-hop show without backing tracks. It’s pretty much essential for this kind of music I guess. I think this is where a lot of the confusion is coming from. People are looking at Ronald and assuming he is a metal guy in a metal band because of how he looks and how the band looks.

[@UMIunited]

Maybe they can play some of their older songs that were more hard rock But that would require practice and their sets would be totally different and probably not very well received by the major audience. Plus if their laptops were their only device for their intended purpose, it would take too long to set up another one so yeah it makes sense. Unless people want him to perform just the acoustic parts of "The drug in me is reimagined" then yeah, they wouldn't sound as good as they can be. Imagine they go perform anyway, but it sounds off due to the lack of backing tracks and effects, people would bash on them like there's no tomorrow. A bad situation either way.

[@davids5006]

FIR aren't confined to one genre

[@Bobby_Uterus]

@@davids5006 You say that like it’s a good things.

[@davids5006]

@@Bobby_Uterus to me it is. If have the talent might as well go for it. Different strokes for different folks

[@Bobby_Uterus]

@@davids5006 So, you’d rather have a band write a bunch of mediocre songs in several different genres? Than focus on one genre and prefect it? Tell me you listen with your eyes without telling me you listening with your eyes. I wouldn’t expect much less from a guy that has his house and car as his profile picture 🤣

[@jaicehunter7094]

Some musicians grow with the times, others tend to stay stuck 🤷‍♀️ Falling in Reverse is totally wicked 🤘

[@courtneyderouen]

Facts 👏🏻👏🏻

[@abelmontalvo4052]

Looks like they're stuck in reverse

[@nostalgicscapes5008]

I get it in this day and age a lot of bands rely on laptops for their performance. But to the point where you cancel a show or something is missing to me personally is a massive eye roll.

[@shaunpalmer2944]

The sound is far more than just guitar bass and drums 🪘

[@shaunpalmer2944]

Would just be moments of silence, if you don’t like a more evolved sound that’s personal preference but there would be legit moments in the show where there was no instrumental or beat and sound like a moment of silence. The band is still the main sound but mixing genres and sounds is what they’ve done and relies heavily on new technology, as does the rest of the world. It be like going to school with pen nd note pad refusing to use the computer the school provides cuz stuck in the old ways. Nah brah

[@Kohntarkosz]

If you're not able to at least go onstage and play SOMETHING, you're not playing rock n roll anymore. It's absolutely ridiculous they couldn't at least TRY to perform without the laptop.

[@UltraSaiyan419]

Kinda why I understood Eddie Trunk's criticism. I mean, since when is a laptop an instrument?

[@Kohntarkosz]

@@UltraSaiyan419 Well, I can understand a laptop being used in the performance, to run sequences, or trigger sound effects. I can even understand a keyboardist running all of his keyboard sounds off a laptop, via MIDI (i.e. you have one MIDI controller keyboard, and you've got a bunch of laptop apps for your piano, organ, synths, etc). But I can't comprehend being so dependent on the laptop that you can't get onstage and perform without it.

[@0326Vet]

His band has electronic elements, it would be like getting mad at Skrillex for canceling a show for the same reason, his music needs the laptop to complete the intruments for his music, you wouldn't get mad at Steve Vai for cancelling a show if he lost his guitar would you?

[@itsbayside6802]

skrillex is different than ronnies band though,

[@0326Vet]

@@itsbayside6802 but both use the same instrument

[@itsbayside6802]

@@0326Vet yeah in different ways

[@christiaan4music]

Muse is probably one of the only bands with lots of 'extra sample sounds' that has the budget to do everything live with real muscicians.

[@teganismxx]

I’m pretty sure if Falling in Reverse wanted to do all that stuff “the real way” they would have the budget. If their MVs are anything to go by, they must cost so much money.

[@user-me9in1yu6s]

​@@teganismxx It's not just that. It would be having to do all that on extremely short notice and not have enough time to rehearse and get everything figured out. The show would have been a thrown together mess due to time constraints. FIR thought it was better to cancel than to give a haphazard concert.

[@christopherw6309]

I think it's normal for everyone to be using technology to enhance their show. That being said I think artists in that situation should be able to perform without all that, if necessary. It's just a bad look to say we can't do anything now.

[@jwvimagery2017]

Doesn’t Bach have another Gilmore girls episode to film? 🤣🤣🤣

[@LINKSTORMCROW_teamrock-it6598]

I can't believe ronnie has an audience outside of teenage girls

[@KristineClearshield]

I have seen YT videos where they explain this laptop thing. I'm 52 and I understood why it's important for bands.

[@stevenkambach]

My only issue with laptops is when bands cannot get it together and perform without them. The whole band is there and can play their instruments, but choose to cancel. Sure, it will be a much different show, but that is probably better than no show.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

They have entire sections of songs where Ronnie is rapping over an actual rap beat while the main instruments stay silent. Those entire sections would be missing. From my perspective, if my band had already showed up to an event and THEN found out that our laptop was missing, then I'd just tell our vocalist that I'd play the drum beat for the rap parts and we would just make do without it. If I found out days prior to the event that our shit was missing and we couldn't get it replaced in time for the show, it'd be a hard decision to make whether or not we would still play the show. A lot of bands now have orchestra, keys, intros, click tracks, or even entire light shows setup on laptops. I can definitely understand why they chose to not play. The audience would get a very underwhelming experience and then complain about that too. There's no winning situation there.

[@stevenkambach]

@@TheJokesterSCR I understand and agree with everything you said! Make due with what you got. I think people would understand if it was clear that things had to be different. I just have a hard time with no plan b if the laptops don't work. The laptop is the most important band member then

[@ericsmith8129]

Rap beats can be replicated by a drummer, bass player and guitarist playing the melody.

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

@@stevenkambach Note that their laptop and their backup laptops were missing. It wasn't like they didn't make an effort to have things covered, unfortunately their backup disappeared at the same time. It's not exactly something you can reasonably plan for. I get that it sucks they had to cancel, but if they ended up giving an underwhelming performance because a lot of the back-tracks and affects in their songs being missing would only lead to even more hate and a reputation for being a bad performing live band (which in the long run can be more damaging). If someone has a sh*tty performance, then they just suck. When someone cancels, people at least tend to stop and ask why; this at least gives them a chance to explain the situation. It sucks either way, but I get why they cancelled the show. Hopefully this kind of thing doesn't happen again, and I'm sure they'll plan additional contingencies to help prevent it in the future.

[@DerKomischeTyp]

At this point Sebastian can make it a 2 on 1 handicap fight against Ronnie and Jericho. Did he make it his goal to piss off every single musician that can beat the shit out of him or something?

[@greggpeterson2443]

don't forget David Draiman

[@DerKomischeTyp]

@@greggpeterson2443 David too?

[@greggpeterson2443]

@@DerKomischeTyp yes Bach got into it with David over the Neil young and Joe rogan controversy

[@DerKomischeTyp]

@@greggpeterson2443 ..of course he did

[@feliciab5019]

@@DerKomischeTyp seems like Bach needs to take a massive chill pill. :)

[@killingfields07]

What? Extra tracks? I thought the band's laptop was to patch to the stage's big screen to play the slideshow during set. The band's roadie cues up the slideshow at right moment during band's performance.

[@zavodszkiabel7919]

Both Sebastian Bach and Eddie Trunk missed that part, but the more pressing issue is how in the hell does a band like FIR not have any back-up for something like this?

[@PurpleDragonAsh]

It's music, although I prefer the raw sound of the instruments because that's based on actual skill, I don't mind tracks every once in a while. As long as the drums, guitar, bass, and vocals are legit and not backed up by backing tracks. Either way though as long as the show is enjoyable I guess that's what matters in the end, at least in my opinion.

[@migimadarasenju4962]

To be honest i don't whom they are other than ronnie!! Ronnie is a legend much love brother!!

[@abelmontalvo4052]

Yeah Ronnie is a legend Ronnie James Dio

[@tinawillits8223]

You have got to be kidding me right????? Lmao a legend????? Omg this world we live in! Love you Sebastian

[@tiinaposkiparta9880]

In my opinion both ways are good, we can't compare old times and new times because world and technology goes on, new things will always come making performances being as many siding as they just can get, using laptops doesn't take anything away from the performance or audience, bands still are on those stages with audience, back tracks has been used before laptops. Everyone should respect each other and not always compare how things were then, were they really better, in my opinion they weren't because of the technology, music and it's sounds, vids of the stage screen etc has been gotten better and better because of the new technology and because of these laptops.

[@thejusticeization]

backing tracks=lazyness

[@jrkb89]

Regardless of the laptop is unprofessional to cancel a show because "the laptops are missing" also, blame it on our crew? It's YOUR show, and YOUR responsibility

[@MistaTofMaine]

This is so rock, the idea of bach being tough guy.

[@EmberMcLain87]

i'd pay to see them just have a boxing match.bach vs radke. heck add in kerry king vs glen benten vs chris barnes in a battle of the grumpy old men metal icons.

[@seniorordenanza2387]

Warning: long comment. This seems like a really stupid thing to have a quarrel about. I mean I sorta understand Trunks take about live rock shows but here’s the thing, Aerosmith and Falling in Reverse are 2 different types of bands. Yeah I’m sure Aerosmith uses just pure instruments, they did that since the beginning but they also came from a different time of rock n roll. It’s evolved a bit. Now, almost all bands have a little bit of technology with their music. Falling in Reverse is one of them. Now I also agree with Ronnie but I do think he tends to get a little heated in situations where he doesn’t really need to. This is one of them. All in all, both sides have points but they’re both going about it wrong. I will say though that laptops or technology in general is very important when it comes to today’s music especially for shows. Even the light shows are programmed into a laptop. So even if it wasn’t for the music it was definitely needed for something in the show, and I think fans would be upset if it was halfassed because the crew or whoever lost a laptop that was pivotal to the show’s performance like the lights or the stage effects. It’s all part of the experience.

[@thejusticeization]

yeah but do you rather hear a half ass show or no show at all?

[@seniorordenanza2387]

@@thejusticeization I guess that’s a good point. I think that might come down to personal preference I guess.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

@@thejusticeization I'd personally rather wait for a band to come back around than see a half-assed show. There's really no winning for them here. It was either going to be people mad about them canceling, or mad about a half-assed performance.