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[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@Mars-]

BEEN subscribed day 1. great content. Also have shared with people. Hay, just wanna say, another great show. rReally liked the mailbag segment and your advice on pursuing career and your direct insights from EXPERIENCE. KEY You ever think of doing this as an addiotional path ? You did really well,man. Keep on keeping on. I will do same . THANK YOU for all your work Until next time ...🔈

[@sarahcedarland3221]

already am

[@drwinstonOboogi]

When people are fighting over conference superiority, I try to remember these wise words.... "No color, no religion, no football conference affiliation should come between us, we are all children of God." - Meemaw

[@haroldfarquad6886]

The dregs at Notre Dame don't have to trouble themselves with conference comparisons because they're just actually better than everyone else and deserve to go first in line because they're so star spangled awesomeeeeee

[@lawrencematthes8948]

You'll have to ask the hillbilly conference.😅😅

[@8bitbanana]

there are kids that are 10 years old in Ohio named Cardale rooting so hard for the buckeyes to win a natty

[@frankschaefer8890]

Kids named Jt and Braxton as well

[@marine76a]

Baby mama wannabes galore haha

[@kevindaniels9943]

Thanks for bringing out the penalty no calls

[@DGolfer60]

love these shows and can't wait for the podcast only episodes; not just college football, but some related concepts and great advice as well

[@KingE34]

I’m a Florida fan and I’m glad the sec has fallen a bit so hopefully we can stop with this stupid conference nationalism stuff. None of it matters and it just makes people mad.

[@tylerwill7259]

That’s what made me start actually liking big ten teams. I’m an Ohio state fan that lives in South Carolina and having to grow up with South Carolina and Georgia fans living through the success of Florida, Alabama, and LSU drove me insane. I want us to go back to cheering for teams and not conferences (wishful thinking lol)

[@GoatedAtNFS]

and this is how a Notre Dame fan thinks, which is why they are independent getting near 20 million dollars in the CFP alone

[@shepherd5234]

"Conference nationalism", wow. Also, I think it's far from over.

[@Tc1043-q2v]

lol

[@Tc1043-q2v]

​@@tylerwill7259😂 hilarious

[@AdamGoad-l5h]

Bangkok Thailand checking in

[@russellknox5342]

Great freaking show Josh. I loved the food poisoning story. We've all experienced something horribly similar and equally ridiculous. And your advice to twenty somethings was awesome. This is coming from a 60 year old man that has figured out who he is, and took a lot of time getting there.

[@christianriviere9625]

26:05 I just got off of a carnival cruise lol. Thankfully was able to watch the semis though!!

[@JSCONCH]

If you are following a non SEC team, you have heard main stream media force feed SEC propaganda to an unreasonable extent for 10 plus years. The gap wasnt huge, Saban carried the weight and all SEC teams shouted SEC SEC. The rest of the country detests that garbage. The real question: did SEC schools have more under table paying players than other conferences pre NIL? Yes. Things have changed folks. Cope

[@SteveAllen-x2m]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the south just has better football players.

[@1mgofepinephrine120]

@@SteveAllen-x2mA couple of SEC teams were allowed to pay players the last 15 years while everybody else was sanctioned for giving a recruit a ride to the airport. If you don’t know this is a fact you’re either rooting for SEC team from a far, have head in the sand or are just lying.

[@SteveAllen-x2m]

@@1mgofepinephrine120Do you not think teams other teams have not been doing the same thing.

[@artoftruthpodcast8678]

@@SteveAllen-x2myes, that got payed to play in the Southeast. All the top qb’s come out of California, decade after decade, but went to SEC schools cause they could actually get payed to play without penalties and sanctions. Now it’s legal to pay players everywhere, so SEC dominance is gone‼️

[@artoftruthpodcast8678]

@@1mgofepinephrine120 perfectly stated!

[@TheUtubus]

one thing is sure- Josh always seems to be right.

[@zplapplap]

Unless he’s picking a contest in which Notre Dame is a belligerent. 😄

[@Muletom]

ND should be ready for another Alabama results. 42-10

[@theronr7464]

Bet the HOUSE on the Buckeyes!

[@ThreadAndCircuses1]

ND kind of plays similar to Michigan offensively in terms of ball control, gap schemes, etc. Defense is the opposite with ND playing so much man coverage.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@ThreadAndCircuses1 ND doesn't live in Ryan Day's head the way Michigan does. That's the most important difference.

[@Keenafy]

Hearing Josh pate utter the words "Auburn is terrible" makes my heart smile man 🙂

[@GoatedAtNFS]

the dominance is over. but don’t think one bad year means they’re gonna become the ACC and not win a NY6 or CFP game in 5 years. the fans just watched kirby smart get boat raced by and tell themselves “so my coach has been here for 5+ years and can’t even beat him but marcus freeman gets its done in 3.” since the end of 2020 I believe lane kiffin is the only active SEC coach to beat him. and now, kirby’s not even top of the conference. remember: Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky, South Carolina, has no pro sports. Tennessee’s and Louisiana’s pro sports currently all stink. the SEC is currently the best basketball and baseball conference. the fans treat the colleges like a religion. the conference will be fine.

[@MS79Canesfan]

Lol it was a decade since big 10 won a natty and the ACC has 2 almost 3.! And if ND wins that's pretty much a draw between ACC and Big10. Then ESECPN has been paying kids for 20 yrs whilst or conference didn't and now it is showing proof.! 🤡

[@aroncampos5720]

2 bad year

[@maxwellr2533]

I legit didnt know Josh didnt have a desk bc the Headline Bar covered it lol

[@SenorHomeslice]

Everything you said about Alabama being the primary driver of the SEC document was true. The part where you waved some shiny keys was in asserting that Alabama fell off because Nick Saban stepped down. I see it the other way around, that Nick Saban stepped down once he realized he no longer had a built-in competitive advantage now that NIL and the transfer portal were in play. Why risk a legacy with repeated fifth place finishes in the conference when you can go out on top and let the inevitable fall from the Heights on someone else’s shoulders?

[@Soopology]

Lmao no. No matter the conference that went on the run the SEC did (really about 4 programs), the sport would’ve blown up more anyway. And likely would’ve been even bigger because the East/MidWest/West has bigger markets. OR the sport would’ve been on this path anyway, because programming was on the upswing regardless of what’s on it. Sports benefitting from TV & social media, not the other way around.

[@adamsmith2758]

Wait.. “this is the first time I’m hearing of this”?? lol.. there has been an official “bagman” at SEC schools for 20 years.. don’t be willfully ignorant my man..

[@SteveAllen-x2m]

It wasn’t just the s.e.c with bagmen there are schools everywhere doing it.

[@bohdanleniuk]

Timestamp?

[@lawrencematthes8948]

I've always maintained that the SEC was the top conference but not nearly as superior as their fan bases tend to believe. All we heard was just look at NFL talent. So I actually did that today. Just a small sample size of NFL rosters of the 12 NFL teams playing this weekend in the playoffs. All the roster information was taken from ESPN rosters on line and includes IR and practice rosters and the college listed for all players on those teams. Incredibly, the SEC had 208 players listed on those 12 teams rosters. Anyone want to guess how many the Big 10 has??? 205. I'm will to bet SEC fans will have a hard time understanding this. My conclusion is what I thought. Not nearly as one sided as people think. And secondly, this isn't an overnight thing. The last decade has been evening out. Your welcome!

[@kevinfry1850]

You’re really gonna see the premium put on top flight coaching in the portal era, I think that’s one narrative you’re going to see take shape more as the years go on.

[@anonanon938]

You are a SEC homer. Ok. We get it. Let's move on.

[@lawrencematthes8948]

I don't see how any games got devalued during the regular season. The Oregon -Ohio st game and the Michigan game weren't in any way, other than Michigans 6-5 record, which has nothing to do with the playoffs. The only thing getting devalued is the championship teams that never had to compete with all the top teams. Hell, it brings more value to winning the championship.

[@blakeharrison3972]

Is the podcast version on Spotify?

[@frankschaefer8890]

I'd assume so but I'm not sure either

[@Makusa-qc2qd]

That's where you keep falling, Josh. The second tier of the SEC is NOT as good as the Big 10, not this year. That undercuts your whole argument, and your inability to see that coming was caused by your bias. The SEC was absolutely the best conference in the last 20 years, pre-2023. But in 2023 that ended, not 2024.

[@gabe5319]

It was Ryan Leaf! 😂😂 Food poisoning sets in within a couple of hours. Often within less then 60 minutes… Chillis should be vindicated😂 Love the story Josh. The show is great. Go Canes 🙌🏼… we are making progress

[@hunter24seven]

​​I don't put much weight on Texas not running the ball well against Ohio State, they only had 53 yards on 30 attempts on ASU. They haven't run the ball well for 2 games now. As far as the SEC, they will still be a premier conference. They might not win as many Natys with Saban in retirement. It wasn't that long ago but from the years of 1981 through 2005 the SEC only had 4 Natys. The BIG12 had 6 during that stretch. The U had 5 in the same span. How times change.

[@lawrencematthes8948]

Saban situation begs the question of was Alabama really as dominant as they appeared pre playoff years? They've had been losing steam since the playoffs started when compared to the previous half dozen years. Would have been interesting to have seen a playoff format back then. Id still say Bama would have won more often than not, but it at least is worth consideration

[@jesserp23]

How much were they playing players?

[@02autogt]

We definitely got to see just how OVERRATED the SEC is this year...

[@Kronk3]

“No evidence of that” sure. Let’s not talk about Cam Newtons recruitment to Auburn.

[@brianscheffer1007]

Nah forgetting your headphones at the gym is a deal breaker

[@g33p9x22]

Really? There were some great non SEC teams this year but the regular season against the the ACC, B10, B12 was 13 of 20 so no one is going to look back and say this was the moment any more than any other year.

[@jasonarreguin5315]

Josh , please just stop picking games moving forward

[@williamhopkins7065]

I would say this, if you dont want to say its better, then its a preference. I prefer this to the 4. More matchips of teams thatbwere good in the season with something on the line. Alot of these schools would have had opt outa if it was fiesta bowl and one and done.

[@jacobehrhart7288]

I don't hate the SEC but i would be lying if i said i wasn't happy that the conference superiority that has been dying down now Nick Saban being gone and NIL and the transfer portal opening up has brought the conference down they will still have great teams and any year they could have a national championship but the days of the super teams in the SEC like 2019 LSU or 2020 Bama are done i would even care to say i don't even think this Ohio State team with this stacked of a roster will happen again i think as more teams (like Michigan this season) really open up to NIL and transfer portal we will see more teams come in and be one of the 8-10 or even 12 teams that any year could win it

[@theronr7464]

Wait, I thought the best recruits come from SEC stomping grounds, play for SEC teams and are drafted into the NFL while playing for SEC teams. I guess the coaches in the SEC forgot how to coach and the players just aren't that good.

[@Waywardwulf]

Food poising. Been there done that ole buddy. It was ground meat on ice day 5 at the duck camp.Two of us were pretty sure we were gonna die. Lessons learned. Geaux Tigers 💪🐅🎵🎶💜💛🏈

[@williamhopkins7065]

Idk why texas was the case study. Their run game isnt that great. Which was odd with 2 nfl lineman.

[@beedevil11]

SEC has had a variation of NIL for years. The rest of the country is just catching up. Depth is becoming a thing of the past. I'm not going to be a #2 at Georgia when I can get $1.5m to start at a lesser school. The times are a changing.

[@blakeharrison3972]

I do not recall Jeremy Pruitt giving players McDonald’s bags full of cash

[@flic5k]

so you dont think any other teams were paying players? lol. not the miami teams, not the texas teams, not the usc teams, not the ohio state teams, etc. like do you think before you speak?

[@GoatedAtNFS]

those kids won’t get recognized on the national level if they’re not a breakout star. that’s why you stay.

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

1 of 3 things happened The SEC schools were just smarter than all the other schools and got away with it The NCAA willingly only let the SEC pay players Or most big programs were paying players one way or another. Off topic, did Reggie Bush ever get his heisman back ;)

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

I don’t think so. People forget a lot of anomalies happened this year to give us the CFP teams we got. Ole’ Miss losing to Kentucky. Do you really think that is going to happen again next year? Alabama losing to Vandy? Indiana only losing 1 game. Georgia losing their starting QB for the CFP during the SEC championship game. If 1 of those didn’t happen things would be different. Do we think those things will happen again next year? Bowl games outside the CFP really don’t tell us anything. Sit outs, disappointed teams playing for a conciliation prize that doesn’t mean anything. If we learned anything this year, the SEC top down is the most competitive at a high level conference out of the big four. The B1G is the most top heavy unevenly talent distributed conference. 18 and even 16 teams seem to water down competitive conference schedules. We saw this in the B1G with Penn State and Indiana, and we saw this in the SEC with Texas.

[@theronr7464]

Yeah, right Josh. No one beats the Buckeyes on the ground except Michigan, Oregon, Nebraska and (almost) Tennessee. So, I guess the Irish have no chance.

[@nathanchristian4687]

Almost Tennessee…? I was with you until you said that. Tennessee scored and got all their points in garbage time brother….

[@vinceredeor439]

Through the entire time I’ve watched colleges football I’ve had to deal with Florida and South Carolina fans live through Alabama and Georgia’s success. It’s stupid, the SEC has been carried by 2 teams since 2009, sure Auburn got one and LSU got one in that time, but those were one year wonder teams. I’m sick of hear people say Arkansas, Florida, and Auburn are good teams since they happen to play Alabama and Georgia every year.

[@PushaDee]

The only reason folks are celebrating that there are no SEC teams in the championship game is because we had to listen all year to everyone touting the "depth" of the SEC every chance they got as an add-on to any SEC result during the season. But guess what? You were complete frauds all year. You got dumped, rotated, mopped up in almost every post season occasion. Teams the SEC made fun of straight boatraced them. SEC fans got cocky over the last two decades but it's like they forgot what happened before then. It's cyclical baby and it's Big Ten ball right now whether you like it or not.

[@SteveAllen-x2m]

Enjoy it now because when they put a cap on nil it’s going back to the way it has been.

[@theJukeboxHero40]

​@@SteveAllen-x2mhow would that do anything other than balance the sport?

[@pberryberry2734]

2 time food poisoning Champion, that's why I can't hardly eat anyone else is cooking. I've had some painful things happen to me in life, but that was probably a 9¾ on the Richter scale that didn't include surgery. By the way, Go Bucks‼️

[@nicholashardin3704]

As an Alabama fan, I’ve been saying that no team out there is going to dominate like Alabama with Nick Saban. I believe there’s going to be top teams every year but nothing like the dynasty bama had. Roll Tide!

[@Southprong59]

No team will ever dominate again due to the 12 team playoff, NIL, and the portal - why do you think Saban retired???

[@nicholashardin3704]

@ I definitely agree with you

[@tylerwill7259]

Pate is a master salesperson with his sponsors haha

[@schultzywillpa26]

Being a penn state fan is torture. I promise we have a great team. Something is broken.

[@whiskeytangofoxtrot97]

Frames? 😂

[@PushaDee]

You guys are very good-just not the best. Definitely respect the hell out of you though.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

that great team just lost again. you’re never winning with your problem- James Franklin

[@schultzywillpa26]

@@GoatedAtNFS agreed 😟

[@jamesmurphy5415]

Defense is top tier, offense needs to be more pro style if you ever want to win a natty...can't just rely on winning four rockfights in a row in the playoffs or having the luxury of an easier path again

[@lawrencematthes8948]

Stop it!!! Ole Miss, A&M, South Carolina and Tennessee aren't historically high level programs. Period!!! Miami, Clemson, Florida St and Nebraska are. USC and Oregon also. Hell Pitt is historically better than them. Wisconsin, Iowa. Michigan State, Washington ECT. All can compete very well with those schools on an annual basis. I do agree those schools will invest in trying to get there because in their mind they are. But only in their mind. Not to the rest of the country tho. Only in the south do people truly believe that. Just keeping it real

[@Zepi827]

First time Josh P actually talked about actual football

[@ragmanintx]

I have OSU -11.5

[@EmperorPilaf04]

Penn State would've run on OSU, and they were the better team, but Allar's mistakes doomed them.

[@Southprong59]

No one team will ever dominate again due to the 12 team playoff, NIL, and the portal - why do you think Saban retired???

[@AlmightyHurricane]

I love QT

[@drwinstonOboogi]

They're the best!

[@gordonshumway5933]

Sure, Ohio State really got “screwed” in the Penn State game by officials and didn’t benefit from them. In fact being so penalized this season would be a perfect bailout if they benefit from bad officiating while winning like Clemson did against Ohio State in a playoff or national championship game. As well as Penn State in their loss to Notre Dame tho the 1st PI on an interception was the right call and the 2nd was certainly by the book, so it wasn’t egregious but it also was pathetic and a bailout, the missed holding call was egregious. I find it hard to believe Notre Dame will get calls like that over Ohio State. Hopefully neither do

[@anthonydigrazia1126]

N this kind of think about the SEC is exactly why no one likes the SEC except those in the SEC

[@SteveAllen-x2m]

No the rest of the country was just jealous of their success.

[@luisamparano]

Did Josh just endorse parlays? BREAKING NEWS

[@danny.daveto]

Josh acts like he didn't say certain teams wouldn't be in and there will be too many blowouts

[@rj_nbk]

Lane Kiffin lost to Kentucky.

[@g-man2228]

SEC is not the only one fading, the entire College Football thing is….SMH

[@cman-of9ul]

Texas was just a more talented version of Penn state. Beat all the teams they were suppose to. Couldn’t get it done against the top teams they played. Just like James Franklin, Sark made some questionable play calls in key moments

[@michaelmcgregor007]

@JoshPateCFP, if you don’t want to litigate Sark’s play calling I’ll do it for you. Texas is 3 feet away; run the ball up the middle 4 times and if they stop you then tip your cap and give them the ball on the 1 foot line. Dumbest play calling I have seen

[@33moneyball]

The SEC cares more. That’s why they’ve succeeded wildly.

[@diggingmystyle]

Care$$$$$$$

[@dj.sobxrbe]

welp fans have been saying this but anytime we do we get called cry babies. we’ve had like one hold all season

[@panchogeorocks]

Josh is 💯 cherry picking and Sugar coating bs regarding his argument about the CFP 🤡

[@princeofgreece9054]

The CFP format this year will kill college football if it isn't changed. It is abysmal.

[@kimnewcom]

I can not remember a team that was called for a holding playing against Ohio State. Ohio State has to play against referees too. Can’t believe Ohio State is 134th out of 134 teams in holding called against

[@beedevil11]

It's why Day catches so much heat. Scoop and score vs Clemson, no call on the hit on Harrison against Georgia probably cost Day two Nattys already. All this in the instant replay era.

[@mr.simonphoenix7181]

@@beedevil11 The iffy OPI against Oregon too…

[@princeofgreece9054]

You clearly aren't watching the games. Every single Ohio State game Ohio State's Offensive Line is holding just as much as the other teams. I watched Jordan Burch in the Oregon game get held all night long, but apparently its just stacked against Ohio State? You sound delusional. The Refs just let them play. And if I was a ref in those big games, I would do the same. Cause delusional, angry fans like you get mad when they make calls you don't agree with and call for their jobs on twitter.

[@mr.simonphoenix7181]

@@princeofgreece9054 Yeah no. But nice try though. 😂

[@marine76a]

Yep

[@xVenova]

You're an alpha

[@anonanon938]

Ohio State got to you. Get your campaigning done. Let's move on.

[@TheRealEricRose]

They won’t play man on #4

[@jabrielfisher6976]

Go bucks

[@MS79Canesfan]

You literally just lied to yourself and everyone saying you seen 0 evidence or heard 0 evidence of pay for play ESECPN when actual ESECPN coaches have admitted it and players!. You could have just said look idk and maybe there was maybe there wasn't to deflect but to say 0 lol.!

[@lawrencematthes8948]

As a Buckeye fan, I'll whole heartily tell you we been getting hozed by the refs for the longest. See 2019 Clemson. Or to a lesser degree, the Georgia game when the flag disappeared on several occasions. Especially the targeting call on Harrison. If anyone says it wasn't, I challenge you to compare it to the one called on us against Trevor Lawrence.

[@traviscowell2714]

Michigan cheated *

[@princeofgreece9054]

I was for expansion. After this year, it is abundantly clear that we either need to go back to 4 or they need to fix the issue with the format, and do so quickly. In this current format, we have the regularly 2 worst teams in the playoff getting first round byes (Arizona State and Boise St). You have all 4 teams that got Bye's having to wait an entire month until they play (All 4 teams who got byes lost, by the way) and you have teams that should be ranked a lot higher getting cupcakes to beat up on to ramp up in the playoff. Those major things will cause massive issues if they aren't addressed in the future.

[@jamesmurphy5415]

I'm going to make an early prediction for Alabama to win the natty next year based on the sheer amount of returning starters they're going to have. This year they were mostly rebuilding compared to other elite programs, next year it's Ohio St/Oregon/Georgia turn to rebuild while Alabama will boast the considerable returning starter advantage

[@thelifeofdustinandallison]

Go Dawgs! Sic Em! ❤️🖤🤍🩶

[@tiptoe38]

I hope this game is not a blowout.Norte Dame just need to keep it close.

[@PushaDee]

Honestly if they stick to playing man d it will be a blowout. You can't single cover Jeremiah Smith. Dude's a freak of nature they should put a fence around him.

[@markblankenship6233]

From top to bottom, no conference was anywhere near the SEC. Its top teams were top 5 this year. But in the SEC, there were no safe weeks. No easy games.

[@theronr7464]

Beat the house on Texas and Georgia!

[@aguyUsingTheWeb]

If the SEC is fading, it's okay. I don't know that we are. But 20+ years of prominence and a decade plus of dominance is as good as anyone can ask for. That said, once we get a handle on the new NIL, revenue sharing, roster management and retention? I like our chances. We can't continue to be a feeder system for top tier talent to add-in to already talented teams in the Big10. It isn't like they were laps behind us. They were nipping our heels the last 4-5 years. Then they get to rest during the season, a luxury we can't afford with our conference schedule. Add our guys while also taking away from our depth? Well...guerilla warfare is what that is. And it's always been effective against a well provisioned foe.

[@haroldfarquad6886]

A national title featuring ND and Ohio State is not a title worth watching or acknowledging. We could not have two more detestable programs playing for a championship, under more detestable circumstances. Lost to NIU at home, lost two home games, didn't even play in a conference championship... but boy oh boy are the heckin ratings for the old blue bloods going to be great! College football is dead. Whatever this monstrosity that has replaced it is disgusting. I'm not watching anymore, let the most insufferable fanbases in sports enjoy their clown championship.

[@anthonydigrazia1126]

You’re not too bright

[@traviscowell2714]

You done crying? 😢

[@howdareyouexist]

sec fan seething

[@rj_nbk]

You sound miserable. Get used to it pal. SEC is no longer.

[@princeofgreece9054]

Completely agree with you. The only reason I am still watching is out of loyalty to my team, which is not an SEC team, but this format and expansion has been horrible. We either need to go back to 4 team playoff or dial back to 6 teams. 12 is way too many.

[@manwholaughs2477]

Man the SEC talk is some wishful thinking. Same thing happened for the bcs to the CFP. SEC didn’t win the last one or the first one but then everything went back to normal and before you know it it’s right back to multiple (more than 2 Big 10) championships in a row with more than 3 teams and multiple all sec title games. Give it time

[@roseauw]

NPBODY cares about this INANE ASSASINE conference superiority debates.......it's going to be about individual teams from now on