Second Dose Spacing, Natural Immunity, Lab Leak, & More (w/Dr. Marty Makary)

[@ZDoggMD]

Topic List: 0:00 Intro 2:35 NIH spending & COVID research 7:53 Herd Immunity, was Marty wrong, clickbait headlines 11:02 Menstrual changes and vaccines 13:08 Boosters and booster mandates 16:45 Rabies Diffr’ent Strokes rant 18:54 VAERS surveillance 21:44 Tinnitus 23:32 Spacing second vaccine dose, Johnson & Johnson booster 29:34 Natural immunity and a failure of messaging 32:40 Silencing debate and heterodox voices 36:49 Bullying and shaming in healthcare and nursing shortages 44:29 Treatments for COVID at home 49:15 Understanding risk 51:43 NIH gain of function virus research 54:26 Moderna, BARDA, and profit motives in vaccines 57:36 Marty’s thoughts on cloth masks and kids 1:06:04 Nikki Minaj & Marty 1:11:36 9-11 commission for COVID

[@Southernlady29]

No

[@Aldo2themoon]

Zdogg, bro please do a fact check episode on graphene oxide. Im so sick and tired of hearing about it everyday. People need to be put in their place

[@ws7001]

I’m sorry but he’s clueless regarding tinnitus. It hit me like a bang 9 hours after vaccination. Extremely loud. Absolutely does not require focus on your hearing. Where does this nonsense come from.

[@c.h.5559]

@@ws7001 yeah that was an ignorant comment . If he suffered it he’d quickly flip . He’s saying that if you don’t focus on it , it goes away . DUDE OMG you no idea .

[@saywhat3529]

why dont you ever talk about vitamins?

[@rebeccaberry1054]

This is the most unbiased conversation I have heard since the pandemic started, my heart, soul, and mind needed this today...

[@eyes2338]

Just inconsistent thats all.

[@ShimmyMD]

@@eyes2338 what is inconsistent you think?

[@Dosadniste2000]

fake prop.

[@lynettemelendrez2388]

Ditto. I cried a couple times, because of the way people have been treating each other… as if they know what’s best for others. It’s all perceptions, and sharing perspectives. ✌🏼

[@goutfromfriedokra3936]

what is zdoggmd's position on mixing vaccines? thinking of moderna then pfizer

[@duglife2230]

You are 100% right on the failure of compassion thing. My dad had COVID last year and is still testing positive for antibodies. He does not want to get vaccinated because presumably he already has immunity, but his workplace just told all of their workers that if they are not vaccinated by December, then they will be "let go." Right before Christmas too... People do not realize how their actions affect everyday people or they just do not care. Hopefully the unions will push back on them. What a dick move.

[@dominickmercado2284]

Yes, I have a similar story. I have natural immunity and the antibodies positive test to prove it. I had covid in December. Very mild case and tested positive for antibodies 7 months later. Have consistently (tested multiple times a week) tested negative for covid 19 since December. I’m losing jobs left and right. Even though the productions are still testing AND vaccinated people are catching covid and shutting down productions.

[@bernadettesandoval3990]

His workplace didn't just decide to become dickish. Obviously, political pressure is being applied....

[@animeshock2006]

Just because u have had covid doesnt mean u cannot get it again...

[@patty-cf7jj]

@@animeshock2006 very unlikely but that’s not even the point…the vaccinated are still getting Covid and spreading it anyway. Reinfection is about as common as a breakthrough case.

[@coastaldiva]

@@animeshock2006 lets say thats true, Why is having a vaccine better than natural immunity when your body already fought it off once

[@jeanniewoodrich8712]

I very, very much appreciate the nuance that both of you share as well as the opportunity to listen to you talk about the hot topics without all the politics. We want the truth and people know when they are being manipulated by information for political purposes.

[@kristieolson6045]

It is staggering what has been happening. I have no concern being a guinea pig for medicine if they are actually using data for improving treatment.

[@jeanniewoodrich8712]

@just another human please share. Why do you say that. They’ve always said to get the vaccine.

[@KineticSoul2]

Thank you. I’m having such a hard time living in a world where no one understands me (not on either side). I feel understood and seen and not crazy when I listen to your content. 🙏🏼

[@qballshotsauce]

I went to high school with Marty... "Hope all is well!" I have told him before and I will say it again THANK YOU! Thank you for all that you do! You're a true asset to mankind. I suppose by some sort of association that ZedDogg is too! Great conversation here guys. Thank you both.

[@joliedavis6834]

Zubin and Marty are true kindred spirits! (or brothers from other mothers in Zdogg’s words) I love listening to these guys because their rapport is always smooth-running- and even tho their medical terminology escapes me from time to time…my interest never wavers. Best of all, their love of humor is something to savor. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@mr.mr.3301]

Why would I want a booster designed for the older variant?

[@SpinnakerFL]

Because it boosts your antibodies.

[@pat2562]

Because it's still preventing serious illness.

[@screeno42]

basically, all the variants have the same trait that your immune system looks for, so getting vaccines for the og variant will still work on the new ones.

[@pat2562]

@@screeno42 Apparently not true for Mu.

[@nedyah151]

@@SpinnakerFL because brawndo has electrolytes

[@georgieriggs3728]

I am not a trained health professional but thank you very much zDoggMD for making covid more sensible to somebody who is not trained I do appreciate that.

[@sunnyla2835]

Wait, WTH?!? Fauci said, “If you don’t believe me, then you don’t believe science!” How the heck is that welcoming different opinions?!

[@Booracay]

There will be a new term for that, Fauciissm. I am tired of hearing people talk about what a wonderful guy he is. He has demonstrated that he is a politician.

[@tonycollyweston6182]

It is not about opinion, substantiate what you say with testable research and facts as does Dr Fauci.

[@MungeParty]

Isn't he in Wuhan right now?

[@derekseifert7]

Science is a process, not a conclusion. Screw Fauci.

[@patmonahan6844]

@@tonycollyweston6182 Please give us one example, almost two years into this, where Fauci cites science to substantiant his opinion. Hint, it doesn't exist. He tells us he OS following the science, yet never cites any. Unfortunately our country is full of people like you who follow and never question

[@the_nerdy_np]

My biggest issue with the CDC Booster recommendation is definitely the fact that endorsement = mandate, like you said. Major major problem.

[@dalesplitstone6276]

Really? My biggest problem is they are recommending that the same vaccine be used for the booster as was used in the original vaccination. If a person got an mRNA vaccine initially, the booster should be either an adenovirus vector vaccine, like AstraZeneca or Sputnik V, or an inactivated virus vaccine, such as Sinovac or Sinopharm. Mandates are a problem, but since the mandates are justified on the basis of spreading infection, it makes no sense to have mandated vaccination without mandated boosters when the efficacy of Pfizer against infection drops to 15% after six months.

[@the_nerdy_np]

@@dalesplitstone6276 yes, that’s my biggest concern because the idea of zero spread is not obtainable. The technology behind the boosters is certainly questionable and I think it would behoove everyone if they’d just pump the breaks for a second and look at quality over quantity, but in the interim - they’re forcing people to get vaccines that aren’t optimal or even necessary.

[@dalesplitstone6276]

@@the_nerdy_np Dr John Campbell thinks that everybody, vaccinated or unvaccinated, will eventually get Covid-19, and natural immunity is the only way out of the pandemic.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

@@dalesplitstone6276 that is not what he said. He said everyone that can should get the vaccine, so that when people get covid will have a mild or asymptomatic case. Those that absolutely decide they won't get it, will get natural immunity but at an enormous cost in lives, long term illness and spread.

[@dalesplitstone6276]

@@wednesdayschild3627 You are correct that he recommended getting vaccinated, but he also recommended getting infected after vaccination, instead of getting a booster.

[@nategd313]

Nice to see Marty back. Thanks for all the alt middle content and great minds you have to talk to, ZDogg. Keep it up, please! 🙏🏻

[@maryfields877]

What about the dosing? 10 micrograms vs. 30 micrograms dosing. A children's hospital in Cleveland/Cincinnati reported a study in which 10 micrograms had a very good antibody response in 18-55 year olds, but not in people 65 and up, they had a good response to 30 micrograms; therefore we all got the 30. Are people being overdosed? Is this why we are seeing myocarditis in young men and teens?

[@therrydicule]

@@joshuacornelius25 I skimmed through that study. You're not wrong at all (the vaccine are safe), albeit it is also somehow a legitimate question given that study. It was specific to the Pfizer vaccine and I think it was a kind of follow up regarding the vaccine for less than 12 years old. Turns out that for many person (less than 65 but more than 12, without arthritis or many other conditions) a 10 micrograms would have a significant effect on the antibodies but maybe not sufficient. There's a balance act, and it's a good question to ask if we got the balance act correctly. Still, we are not "overdosing" on vaccines. We just have a bit of an extra dose and a bit of a stronger immunity. Having too large a dose, compared to what is prescribed, happens more often than we like to think with some hepatitis vaccine: like 1 ml instead of 0.5 ml, and it's usually not that bad. They just take a note in the medical records, and someone might feel a bit worst than needed. However, where that news is very good is with some people with some forms of arthritis or some conditions that are atypical who aren't able to get the full 30 micrograms. Ok so we might be able to use 3 or 4 children vaccine dose instead, spaced it out correctly. There been only one case, as far I been able to find, of an "overdose." I'll simplify the story a bit: It was in Ontario, some 95 years old woman with Alzheimer's diseases kind of showed up twice in two day to get her second dose, and because of a combination of errors she been vaccinated both times and she been incapacitated for weeks. That was a disaster, and I feel bad for her family and friends. But it's also a freak accident, and everything that could have gone wrong did in her case.

[@e3kenlawler]

one of the theories on myocarditis is the vaccine being accidentally injected into the vascular system not the muscle as intended, that doesn’t make much sense with younger people getting myocarditis but it is a theory anyway

[@Booracay]

How about the way it is administered?

[@Booracay]

@@therrydicule What are the chances they are concealing some info, like that has never happened. Let's be honest, they are guessing when it comes to the proper dose. Also it is not a on size fits all, but that is the route we are taking. NOBODY knows.

[@Booracay]

@@joshuacornelius25 Maybe, maybe it was not administered correctly, but correct by the CDC.

[@xLightcrystalx]

Whoever shoots and lights your videos does one hell of a job.

[@pirateslife4me]

I remember running around caring for so many Covid patients last spring thinking, "Any time the data from good RCTs will start rolling in, and we will understand what's happening and know what to do." I'm still waiting....now I understand why 😖

[@mostreal907]

Thanks for all your hard work.

[@sanjosemike3137]

YOU are the best! Thank you so much! Sanjosemike (no longer in CA) Retired surgeon

[@doreenarns2864]

What’s RCTs?

[@jon27d]

@@doreenarns2864 randomized controlled trials

[@techguy651]

Speaking to the Salk reference… part of the requirement to take Operation Warp Speed money (or any government money more broadly) should be that the resulting vaccine or medical technology becomes immediately part of the public domain.

[@AustinTxJimmy]

That wouldn't work, because most people wouldn't take the money if it came with those strings attached.

[@markdrummond6859]

Yeah like the ability to release the vaccine to other nations who apperently cant afford it all over the globe so they can produce it them selfs!

[@DugrozReports]

The question would be ... would any company accept those terms?

[@kylesellers7170]

"Warning that scientists dependent on government contracts and grants might cripple scientific breakthroughs, Eisenhower said “public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.” Eisenhower put his warning in context: “Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields.”

[@kristensorensen2219]

Thanks for the insight. He also warned us about the military industrial complex after he helped grow the doomsday machines of the cold war.🤔 Hindsight is always 20/20; but, that didn't stop Vietnam or Iraq & Afghanistan. Why? Probably because he was exactly on target. Iran is going to ensure that Israel makes a massive first strike if they persist. I believe Covid is a crime against humanity. Who is culpable? 🤷👁🤑

[@Booracay]

@@kristensorensen2219 Kristen, Our government lying to us is old news. That is why it is hard to trust anything they say. As long as their pockets are lined. Harry Truman spoke of that.

[@lessenful]

It is because of guests like Dr. Makary, Dr. Monica Ghandi , Dr. Vinay Prasad, Dr. Paul Offit, (et al) that I remain a subscriber. And of course Dr. Zubin Damiana is the spark of such compelling interviews.

[@AshleyStuart]

Loved the section about admitting when you don't know and I wish that public health was more honest with people in that way! I also love it when I hear my doctors tell me they don't know. Even though I don't get my question answered, I feel like I can trust that person more because of it. Canada also spaced out doses too. Mine were spread out by about 6 weeks or so. Most of the country is doing quite well. Saskatchewan and Alberta are having problems mainly because too many just aren't vaccinated or don't have natural immunity. Also a mole of holy spirit. I'm crying from laughing after that part. 😂

[@trc12626]

Terrific video and discussion! You guys make discussing this pandemic and the response to it, straightforward and logical. Thank you both!

[@itsyvonnekelly4151]

Nurse here fully vaxxed with the pfizer vaccine! losing 20% of staff at my hospital come monday due to mandates :/ very nervous about an impending booster mandate

[@mousemaing81]

What are these nurses seeing, that has made them so adamant against the vax?

[@uptick888]

@@mousemaing81 some of them have had covid..another doc reported nurses don’t know how to interpret all the data just saying..

[@DrDipsh1t]

Curious on the education of the nurses leaving vs staying. In my area, the healthcare workers that seem to have a problem with it are 2 yr degree holders, while the 4 yr+ (BSNs, MSNs, etc) are all in favor of it. From what I've seen, those extra two years of education before going into clinical settings really sets one up for better critical thinking and understanding of the scientific method and how to both conduct and review research.

[@uptick888]

@@DrDipsh1t absolutely ty

[@danielk6878]

@@DrDipsh1t the four-year degrees may make more money and have more to lose. Just another factor in the equation

[@TurboTanuki]

Thank you so much for this content. I truly wish that we taught Logic (Boolean and/or Aristotelian) and A&P somewhere in K-12. I think this is why we, as a population, are so susceptible to nonsensical, emotional rhetoric, especially as it pertains to healthcare. We teach about many important subjects in school, but knowing how your own body works (basic stuff like what the pancreas is and what does it does) and how to form a valid and sound argument has been completely lost. It is refreshing to hear rationality over emotionality and tribalistic rhetoric. Well done.

[@seancarristhebest]

Id love to hear some conversation comparing USA to India. Cases and deaths. Vac rate. Home medicine kits. Etc. The numbers are interesting to say the least.

[@Sonick92]

Can you guys talk about the FDA removing NAC as a vitamin/supplement into the drug label?

[@juliepeterson4638]

My husband awoke with tinnitus in middle of night a couple of weeks after 2nd moderna. Very loud…. Hard to concentrate. He saw ent, did a course of steroids, now has some hearing loss but manageable… I put it in VAERs. Definitely not getting a booster!

[@gigigarcia3691]

Only people who didn’t experience it can say we are just looking for something to go wrong. Really?!? Sounds like a train going through your head.

[@flakbait9960]

Both my parents say theyre experiencing hearing loss all of a sudden too

[@janemeredith8949]

Will you dive into the data on Uttar Pradesh? It would be wonderful to hear your take. Cases have fallen through the floor. Thank you!

[@MrDobberdude]

#ivermectinsaveslives

[@vc2084]

Indian bar association has already sued that WHO doctor. We have got home kits based on ivermectin now. I m telling you no matter how screwed our priorities are, but you can get any medicine here, OTC.

[@RBGoodfat]

“Let’s talk about immune vs. non immune”…simple and logical. 👍😎

[@joecross720]

boosters forever!!!

[@terjeoseberg990]

@@joecross720, Why?

[@joecross720]

we can't vaccinate our way out during an active outbreak with an imperfect "leaky" vaccine. to the extent the vax provides benefit is only good for about 6 months.....even if the whole world were vaccinated it wouldnt eradicate the virus....the whole world would be taking a vax shot every 6 months..forever...with no goal or immunity even possible. I have respect for Z and he usually does a great job seeing through the BS, society and our peers are pressuring everyone into falling in line with the mainstream ideology that makes no sense and is only harming more and more ppl in the end....lets say we did vax the whole world ...and continued to give boosters every six month....with each continued booster the individual is put at further increased risk, taxing the body potentially leaving ppl more susceptible to covid variants and or every day cold/flu. In any other time/situation it would be obvious to Z and other Dr's that we shouldnt take any drug from emergency use authorization to full on mandatory implementation without taking a good hard look at the data/metadata....the vax isnt working or helping and the longer the vax'd blame the unvaxx'd the longer it will take them to see whats happening. One Love-wake up

[@confidentandfitmom2675]

I agree! I would love a video explaining the information on antibody results. I tested positive for antibodies but I don’t understand the numbers on the report.

[@chiccavaquita]

@@joecross720 what’s your credentials?

[@josechavez2148]

I really enjoy the chemistry between you and your guest. The delivery is fun and also informative☺️

[@sandbar3000]

11:40 > >I wonder if my irregular periods are due to my Johnson and Johnson vaccine that I had April 12 2021! My periods are now 33 day cycles...19 day cycles ...26 day cycles. I'm all over the place and yes..it happened after...I got my vaccine. Is it causation or correlation? I don't know. I'm 46 years old. And before that vaccine my periods were stable and always every 26 days

[@jennh2096]

Same, so tired of the irregularities and I was fully vaccinated by end of January. Still isn't back to normal

[@kathygenovy3893]

Should file with Vaers. If they get enough reports about it maybe they’ll actually look into it. I doubt it. But that would be the best try

[@joju24]

Imagine, an honest conversation. Thank you!

[@our2kidsMR]

Dr. Makary should be on the short list for U.S. Surgeon General in the next administration!

[@Justanotherbite5]

I love when Marty is on with Zdogg....these interactions are very piece of mind they relax my mind......keep up the facts guys they are helping people....thank you for the honesty

[@jzen1455]

I love how their being on the same wavelength leads to one comedic response after another.

[@c.h.5559]

Marty is great ss he handles Zdogg distraction well and doesn’t run off down his many quirky side stories and comments

[@katdunleavey]

I waited 3 months between my Pfizer shots. My teen son tested positive for Covid about 3 weeks after my first shot. I was with him quarantining the entire time and I never tested positive nor did I have any symptoms. I participated in a clinical study to measure antibody levels about 6 weeks after my second Pfizer vaccination. My S-protein antibodies were off the charts. I told my primary care doctor I waited 3 months between shots and he told me he wished he had done the same thing.

[@jzen1455]

maybe one shot is more effective than thought?

[@woohooivan]

@@jzen1455 pretty sure one shot generated 80%+ in preventing severe disease. We should’ve left it at 1. The AE is so much higher on dose 2.

[@katdunleavey]

@@woohooivan - yes, I knew that one vaccine was up to around 80% effective in preventing serious illness. I’m not high risk, so I felt comfortable spacing my vaccines 3 months apart. My husband is overweight and high risk. He had his Pfizer shots three weeks apart. His antibody numbers are less than half mine now, but it’s been about 6 months since his second shot versus less than teo months since my second shot. He may need a booster.

[@kevinsanders7772]

If I were POTUS, Dr Z and Dr Makary would be appointed Co-Surgoen Generals NOW! Unbelievably smart ,honest, thoughtful and EXTREMELY entertaining and funny! (Sorry for being such a kiss ass) Wish I could send money to show support, Dr. Z. But, I am disabled DPT and on fixed, very low income. Found you at beginning of pandemic, and you have kept me sane. Truly, thank you!

[@Geeloveesu]

All along the “trust the science” crowd wasn’t actually following science at all… great interview 👌🏽

[@amyntazoe9831]

It seems like the science is changing but it's gonna be to late because of the mandates. That is why I'm waiting......

[@Geeloveesu]

@@amyntazoe9831 completely agree. Science is always changing and no science is ever absolute, yet we have the “follow the science” crowd ridiculing those of us who question such science.

[@Booracay]

Not just that, but cherry picking what they want to be "Science".

[@pattyespinoza1217]

You two are a great team…two of my favorite doctors with humble perspectives!

[@claytoncashion6105]

Last thing I heard about hydroxychloroquine is that is does block a entry pathway of the virus, but the one it blocks is not the primary entry way because it turns out, unlike the test cells, most ACE2 receptor having cells also have some other enzyme (TEMPEST I think, don't quote me on that) which allows for direct entry through the cell membrane. This skips the lysosome (or whichever is the name of the organelle formed from eating things, not the waste one) which is where hydroxychloroquine has an effect. So the most nitty-gritty statement is "hydroxychloroquine would work if the darn virus didn't have a better entry pathway that it favors over the one that hydroxychloroquine actually does anything about".

[@stefany826]

Thanks!

[@johnkatsaros7340]

Why is it that we have not been told how many lives have been saved, approximately, by covid policies/restrictions and the vaccines? Given the significant impact of covid policies on our lives the last 21 months (mask wearing, social distancing, closed businesses, online schooling, etcetera), isn't that an important question? Shouldn't we have an idea what the benefit is of our sacrifices? So many experts, but no basic cost/benefit analysis regarding covid public policy?

[@xraceboyex]

It's okay, they'll magically figure out how damaging this all is in liberal cities once they mandate the vaccine and 30-50% of the workers who actually maintain the cities doing trade jobs leave in one fell swoop. I dont even care if the vax works or not - I'm 26. Wish everyone would mind their own damn business and not force medical interventions on people who dont want them. If I die, so be it, but i have a pretty good understanding that's a near impossible scenario

[@toughlilbiscuit2521]

Thank you, zdogg! I’m among the many you helped convince to take the vaccine. Thank you from someone who was on the fence and just need a compassionate, authentic doctor to empathize and explain the data. You’re doing a good thing - thank you again!

[@thereisnoninadria]

58:41 Spot on! Anxiety and masks are really difficult for all ages. For me, if the air is cool, then I can usually manage pretty well. But when the ambient air is warm, I breathe faster and still feel like I’m suffocating while wearing my mask. It was a huge suckfest to wear masks during the summer these past two years. 😵😵‍💫

[@seahorse2]

I can't breath wearing the mask, so as soon as I can I lift the bottom of mask to breath.

[@metaphoricdirigible1499]

The physical sensation is excruciating for my sensory sensitivity. The feeling of something lightly touching my face (hair, fabric, etc.) makes me want to scratch my face out as much as it did when I was five, but it is only the strong self-control I’ve developed to prevent me from ripping it off my face or self-harming. I don’t habituate to such sensations, so it’s not like I can just forget after a while. It is like a terrible itch that you cannot scratch and stays at the same level of intensity without amelioration. Also not being able to see people’s mouths makes it much harder to understand what they are saying given auditory processing problems. I am glad I could mostly work virtually rather than wear a mask for hours every day as so many do. I can only imagine the difficulties for autistic people who are still children in terms of stunted language, sensory sensitivities, and interruptions of services.

[@caseycampbell6000]

I watch. I listen. I share. Thank you for making this all make some sort of sense.

[@buckcampbell4292]

I got news for you….in large parts of the country young people are running around living their lives. As they should.

[@deniseberkeley5839]

I grew up looking at America 'Bashing Cuba and Venezuela but America is not better the Cubans are smarter critical thinking is much needed

[@xraceboyex]

I'm 26 and having been living my life normally in the Chicago area. I like these guys overall, but it still makes me cringe that they talk about "immune vs not immune" in regards to mandates... I don't know if I've had covid or not, but I would still rather take my chances with the virus than the vax. Thats my personal choice and I condemn anyone who would suggest otherwise... Hope these guys dont end up looking like idiots in a few years if even more vax side effects show themselves. Im good just living, Lets go Brandon!

[@LilCraftyNook]

I just found out that a dear church friend passed away after battling COVID for several weeks. 😩 From the information I have, she'd had one shot. I don't know whether it was one of two or just the one. She was young but also high risk. We're still all in shock.

[@atikagurdemir64]

Questions. I am very sure I had Covid beginning 2020. Lost my sense of smell for 4 months. I checked my antibody level after more than 13 months. Would that still count as natural immunity?

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

Improper masking such as non sanitized reuse can help spread superbugs bacterial. etc.. that can complicate issues like RSV.. there are risks of cross contamination and bacterial and even mold growth with non sanitized repeated mask use. Single use masks were not intended to be kept and reused. Unwashed fabric can collect contaminants that adversely effect respiratory health.

[@jent8426]

All of my periods have been off since Jan. I got my first vaccine shot in Jan. It’s hard to know if it was truly induced by the vaccine, but the timing was suspicious.

[@chellepatino1675]

They're studying now

[@jameswaterhouse-brown6646]

It’s happened to a lot of women.

[@sheilaagwa9055]

Happening To A Lot Of Women

[@jennh2096]

Same here. Started after my 2nd dose of Moderna and didn't just last for one or two cycles, still going on. Very hesitant about a booster because of this.

[@xraceboyex]

I fell off a ladder in January... I still cant walk on that leg a year later. Hard to know if they are related, but the timing is very suspicious to me. Cmon now

[@andrefergus32]

Yes you are correct you helped me decide to get my family vaccinated with your truthful discussions and helping us cut through the insanity!! Thank you

[@ShimmyMD]

Good for you!

[@friendterri3035]

I like listening to you a lot, and usually agree. However, please don't lightly dismiss the tinnitus sufferers. It happened to me and it is not something I was looking for; I didn't expect anything but a sore arm after the first Moderna dose. Got pretty loud tinnitus and I know I am not alone in this experience, and no, obecalp won't help. It's real. And after 6 months it has not gone away. (I did not get the second shot, it was so severe).

[@snowps1]

Happened to my husband's co-worker and his wife, too, after the first shot. They both have since gotten hearing aids to help.

[@robertmood9330]

I emailed Z about this just last week and while I got an amazingly thoughtful response which was a fantastic, and caring thing, I had the same reaction Terri! I was embarrassed that we heard a discussion of obecalp here and that disappointed me a good deal. I will never get another dose after the level my tinnitus is. I guess, good for them (Z and Mcfly) they don’t have it. At first I was excited to see Z bring it up and then felt like I got punched in the gut.

[@friendterri3035]

@@robertmood9330 I was disappointed as well with the apparent dismissal of what we know to be real. (I am not anxious, either.) Like you, I won't get another shot, Robert. I am hoping it will diminish with time for all of us...

[@JoanDefenbaugh]

Read his book so fast, I need to read it again. Such an eye opening book.

[@snowps1]

Wow, what a coincidence that thousands of people are suddenly only hearing their tinnitus after being vaccinated...

[@gaillesarge9779]

Interesting stuff, thank you! Here in Canada we came late to the vaccine party due to no domestic production, and interval between doses was up to 3 months apart to allow more people to be immunized. Although we have definitely been experiencing a delta spike, it's not nearly as high as the US and some other places. I'm thinking from what you say, the spacing may have saved many lives here. I am in the Moderna club like you, my doses 8 1/2 weeks apart, so I'm feeling pretty safe according to the way this video explains things!

[@terjeoseberg990]

Medicago?

[@gaillesarge9779]

@@terjeoseberg990 Yes, Medicago has been working on vaccine development in Canada, and it's looking good. If approved, however, I think we still don't have a facility ready for production.

[@gaillesarge9779]

@@joebo1041 Yes! That too!

[@sectionalsofa]

'"You get a booster!"... Oprah.' I nearly choked on my salad.

[@tinamina2634]

It is not fair to say tinnitus after the vaccine is psychological. Someone who I know who had it was v excited to get the vaccine and they had absolutely no worries that they would get a side effect, and they had no idea tinnitus was a largely reported side effect. He’s had it very loud for 6+ months, to the point of giving him anxiety because he didn’t know something like that existed. He thankfully is much better now. There are groups with thousands of people who now have debilitating tinnitus. I used to suffer badly from it my whole life so I understand it can be very disconcerting. When one of your senses isn’t working properly - long term- it is very debilitating, scary and enough to cause panic because u can’t function properly. It’s one of ur senses so it’s always there and very hard to ingore if it is very loud

[@dloor]

I wonder... If we did space out the second shot more, would that lesson the intensity of the symptoms from the 2nd dose?

[@woohooivan]

@D. June the answer is yes. This was covered in the first few minutes of the video.

[@djjmann]

Yes.

[@lindawickman1388]

Loved this; I have read Marty's books and have seen a number of his interviews- his attitude and common sense are refreshing. Thanks

[@WhSpRz_366]

Love this doc... !!! Let's give this man some 👍 for the content he always gives us...!!!

[@ZDoggMD]

🙏

[@Ralith09]

Keep it up! Sharing with friends and family as much as I can! I'm one of those burnt out health-care workers that had covid19.

[@robbypro3370]

I had very little tinnitus all my life since 24 years old. After Covid infection. I now have it really bad. I have talked about it alot and heard of many others having it getting worse. Wish there was a cure or something to relieve it.

[@tyjay964]

Much appreciated. Thank you so much for the conversation.

[@ajh3301]

Thank you for this. I’m quite disturbed by the reporting system, VAERS. I worked in the medical device industry where ANY adverse reaction to a device or pharmaceutical MUST be reported via the MEDWATCH system to the FDA, even if it is unrelated, like infection. I really don’t understand why vaccines don’t have the same stringency. I find it absolutely mind boggling. For instance, I have a friend who had an adverse reaction immediately after getting the vax. The problem continues now several weeks later, however the doctors are not reporting it saying they can’t be sure it was the vax. This is complete BS! Legally this needs to be reported regardless of what the doctor thinks…but what can we lay people do about it? The data regarding adverse reactions is completely skewed because of this under reporting.

[@haraldhofmann1368]

Your friend can report his event himself.

[@carlitaticconi6655]

This is so important. I took my neighbor to the ER the day after his second dose with a blood clot and told him (I couldn't go in) to explain that he had just been vaccinated. They told him they were sure it was unrelated. In March! When he was essentially participating in a clinical trial! And we now know that blood clots are related. To make things worse, there are record numbers of adverse events in VAERS, despite the under-reporting.

[@ms.lemons3776]

Fantastic show as per usual! I appreciate your open discussions about current socially taboo topics. I am learning through your videos the importance of keeping an open mind and that it is okay to be wrong. Also, the two of have really good chemistry and made me laugh out loud several times. 🙌

[@lburbs]

It’s always great when Z has guests. Thank you for doing this 🙏🏻

[@hectoOut]

His next guest will be Pete Evans

[@Riiseli]

Most boosters in Finland were given 12 weeks apart. I did eight, because I wanted to travel to Norway and needed two vaccines to be able to do so.

[@t.c.s.7724]

But, but, Fauci said he never supported gain of function research. Haha, depends what the definition of 'is' is. I'm tired of covid. I'm exhausted with Fauci. Ugh, what an embarrassing character.

[@timtenn7671]

Spot on!!!

[@uptick888]

He worked under 6 presidents wow must really be a bad guy! Has more awards than any other medical scientist ..

[@Noclaf555]

He is 1000x the person you are. You pathetic excuse for human flesh

[@jennh2096]

@@truth_vs_fact except that it didn't lead to getting ahead of the virus, or any virus! GoF didn't lead to faster vaccines, better faster sequencing did, which doesn't require GoF. And the problem with GoF is that there is NO WAY to try to predict,via genetic engineering of viruses in the lab, what new virus nature is actually going to throw at us. The lab in China genetically altered a lot of different coronaviruses over the past several years, none of that led to helping us in this pandemic, and it damn sure didn't predict what nature would throw at us next, only what we would have thrown at us by playing with nature when we shouldnt. Now we are stuck with their results, and no better therapeutics, faster vaccines, or better ability to control the mess that was made.

[@cindyking4654]

I had mild tinnitus before. No change after vaccine. Had a breakthrough infection and my tinnitus has really gotten louder. I hadn’t heard it could and wasn’t expecting it but my ears were very plugged while sick. Ears finally unplugged, but loud tinnitus remains.

[@rebeccainspiringhope4357]

I got a tetanus update a few weeks ago and had tinnitus out the roof in one ear for about 12 hrs and then it went away.

[@alexandraelkins676]

Thank you for the time stamp, it’s amazing! Vaccine reluctant nurse here. I am curious what you would recommend us to say to our employers who are requiring that second dose in 21 days to keep employment 🤷🏻‍♀️ Having a little autonomy on the issue would be a game changer.

[@kellygarvin9006]

I’m a nurse feeling the pressure too It’s awful Definitely not what I went to nursing school for

[@DugrozReports]

Bless you, sorry you're having to make that terrible choice.

[@gardenjournal1686]

🙏🙏🙏

[@LaraA55]

@ZDoggMD This is the way to learn....education with laughter and lots of it. Best Video

[@alexsandrakelly7586]

So glad I can still watch from Canada. My fav Drs have a sense of humour along with a sense of science. I got covid ...in the hospital. Beat covid... Now battling lung cancer but... Government won't recognize natural immunity so... no vax passport for me! Well at least the cancer clinic still let's me in ...for now. Thanks for all you do!

[@alexsandrakelly7586]

@Jay Streeter readily available and offered in home since I am under care of cancer clinic. However my family Dr tested and antibodies very high so recommends I wait a bit since I am getting immunotherapy. (Finished radiation and chemo after covid)

[@benadams3569]

As someone who has seen a lot of doctors and inside hospitals WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before covid-19 (not since the beginning of the pandemic, thankfully), I do appreciate when a medical professional says, "I don't know, but...I can figure it out or ask ..or we'll have to see how____ goes."

[@GenX1964]

ok Z, "90 year old kodger when I was 10" is actually something I relate to.

[@spacehopper77]

A question I would like explained on the subject of profit motives, why was the not for profit AstraZeneca vaccine not given approval in the US when other similar but for profit adenovirus vaccines were?

[@aaronjoseph7238]

Dear zdogg, Please find coin another term to use than “anti-vaxxer.” I really appreciate how much you are talking about not shaming each other and especially the counter productivity of shaming “anti-vaxxers,” but then you use the term yourself. When we do this, we all but guarantee that even folks like you, Marty, Jay, Vinay and others will be called the same.

[@Inserthouse]

Gives vibes of illegal immigrant = undocumented immigrant

[@sdunlap1583]

This was really good all around !! Thank you!! This actually helps humanity

[@risadoobie]

“No antibody left behind” 😂

[@ChiDraconis]

Ask others how do ducks stay dry?? If they cannot think that one then leave them behind

[@kids.cats.crazy.]

Thank you for addressing dose spacing head on!! We have three teens we want to get vaccinated but two are boys and we have been concerned about miocarditis for them. (Their dad and I already got our shots months ago, we are not anti vax.) Knowing other places had much better efficacy and fewer side effects with greater spacing gives us a clearer picture of how to safely vaccinate our kids. It also really helped to know why the mRNA vaccine doses were given so close together. Keep up the good work, ZDOGG, and keep having such awesome and knowledgeable guests on your show!!

[@jennh2096]

I had the same concerns for my 12 year old son. He had one dose in August and that is all we are doing for now. Possibly a 2nd dose in the months ahead, but waiting for more data to come out. These docs both helped me to make that decision that I feel was best for us.

[@xraceboyex]

What's the thought process in giving your children this vaccine? You're going to let a stranger inject them with a foreign substance to mitigate their ~0% chance of complications from covid while simultaneously denying them the opportunity to develop a superior natural immunity to a wider bandwith of the virus that would likely last them a lifetime?... Sad

[@rayleonard21]

As a pediatrician in WV as our delta cases increased I did see more GI symptoms but all tested negative on antigen and PCR. This was my fear but the testing didn’t support COVID as the etiology.

[@RapunzelASMR]

wait do ppl test more negative now? My entire family was sick but we had sort of different symptoms. Some like me had feverm body aches, cough and muccus. But then my brother and dad also had nauseau and diarrhea and no appetite.. But all our tests were negative

[@errnac]

I’m an ER nurse- had Covid symptoms recently - my PCR was negative. The Employee health nurse said I was the 6th nurse that week that had Covid symptom and we all tested negative. I lost smell/taste , fever. Strange

[@pat2562]

@@errnac I'm hearing that all over the net. People with all the symptoms testing negative. We should make up a conspiracy about it.

[@MichelleJHowe777]

@@errnac change in the PCR test…. Probably. I would get an antibody test to see what your system did…

[@RapunzelASMR]

@@MichelleJHowe777 I did one before being sick and have antibodies for N protein so I was infected without knowing :S my dr tested spike level antibodies and they were 48. The N protein was done at home with blood, the Boson Biotech one. tests only for the Nucleocapside of the virus. I did it 3 times to be sure

[@kthykathh]

It’s sad that the doctors directly told us the adverse reaction my mom it’s having can only be self reported thru VAERs , ENT will do more studies but they can’t report anything 🤷🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@nipagandhi7251]

Left.... Right.... Please don't forget the Centre, who believe in vaccine and therapeutics for prevention. We in India are practicing that and took care of Delta 👍👍👍

[@xraceboyex]

If you leave out the personal responsibility and liberty part, i dont really care about the rest of what you have to say. That is paramount, to me

[@j_Roberts_556]

I wish the workplace would accept natural immunity. I had Covid and had an antibody test 3 weeks later, with very high numbers. Still have to get the vaccine. I'm one dose down and wish there was a way out of the 2nd.

[@homesteadhappiness1317]

I’ve been a Zdog fan for a long time. I was really turned off by the total snub of looking at anything outside of what the mainstream narrative said about Covid and the vaccine. Here lately though I feel like he is really trying to be as well rounded on this issue.

[@snowps1]

Yes, he's gotten better, but he tends to sway with the breeze of whoever is on his show.

[@JodiGirl2269]

Great discussion. I do have a question - If the only RCT on mask use demonstrates they are basically ineffective in public use, why would Makary be for community mask use? My memory is the Bangladesh study showed 9% efficacy for cloth and 11% for surgical. So given the downsides (community wide hostility, financial cost to families, environmental cost with masks all over the streets/grounds) why would they be supported?

[@Designsy-wl9nr]

I have a friend who is obsessed with covid this and covid that. And you are wrong about this and wrong about that. Its nice to see a good, humble conversation about actual data and what we did right and what we did wrong and an acknowledgement of what isnt known yet.

[@RealTipProductions]

you make everything make sense. thank you

[@whitsend11]

@ZDoddMD Can you look into and talk about NAC as related to Covid? I've heard it talked about but would like to hear about it from the ALT-Middle perspective.

[@Mark_Ocain]

Marty is a breath of fresh air, something you don't see out of "Johns"..yeah, he's a "cut-to-cure" guy but he seems to have a good grasp of the science and is reasonable in his views. Holding an MPH helps with these things. Great discussion.

[@queenbee063]

Thanks so much for the information, my second dose was due 2 weeks ago and I’ve decided to wait another 8 -10 wks. 😊

[@melissahyde1296]

I had my Pfizer vaccine September 2nd and ended up with major vertigo. It's been a long 3 weeks. ER visit, primary doctor visit, vestibular therapy, every 8 hours Meclizine, and wearing Sea Bands. Missed work 😪 and I don't miss work! My primary doctor has suggested I wait for the 2nd jab for the 5th or 6th week rather than the normal 3rd week. I'm scared to get the next jab.

[@denedainotto6041]

I cannot find the UC Davis study about kids mentioned around minute 40. Can someone post the link please?

[@merissahumes7272]

Nicki Minaj isn’t on the song WAP (pronounced “WOP”). That’s Cardi B and Megan The Stallion. Just an FYI ☺️

[@Magdalen2255]

If you watched the whole video you’d see that he realized that and corrected himself.

[@taramiller7928]

Why not test a person's antibodies before they get a booster? Is it that hard?

[@Zeibekkikina]

Such an interesting discussion & Z's squirrel story was a scream!

[@mimiescape2023]

How many times have you vilified the "antivaxxers"?

[@dori8540]

I just love Marty. This was a great interview. I'm still not sure how soon I'm going to get a booster even though I did get a Pfizer vax. I want more info. Besides, I agree let's get people first doses before we jump on boosters.

[@damnyankee2137]

Same here. Fully Pfizer vaxxed here. Exactly 6 months today from second dose. Im thinking spacing the booster is the best avenue.

[@sectionalsofa]

@@damnyankee2137 Same here. But what is the ideal space? six months? eight? ten? That's why I m waiting... to see the data.

[@uptick888]

@@damnyankee2137 doesn’t it depend on your age? All over 65 are eligible for booster?

[@mr2_mike]

Love me some Marty!

[@damnyankee2137]

@@uptick888 yes, this is true but my situation is a bit different. I have a brain-injured daughter that I take care of who did get her booster 2 weeks ago but in order to hire caregivers to come to my home and help out, I think it would be wise for me to get my booster too. I’m thinking next month mid-October.

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

Zubin I feel you! I got double crossed by a chipmunk in the 60s as a 5 year old rescuing it from my cat. Luckily no one in my life gave a crap! Live this guest… humour, humility, mental agility… everything one needs in thought leaders.

[@sergiootero5904]

The way Dr Z says "tinnitus" gave me tinnitus

[@jenni0278]

He actually said it correctly It just depends on what part of the US you're from how you pronounce it I'm from Illinois I was in Tennessee half my life they pronounce it differently than here except for ENTs and certain doctors

[@manuelacosta5604]

I can always appreciate when I come across a discussion that is balanced. These days it’s either you’re on the right or the left and nothing in the middle. Anyways, got my 1st Pfizer and suppose to get my 2nd mid October, however I may wait the 3 months listening to this. I never understood why you needed 2 shots so close together. I also had a mild case of Covid last December so I figure with that and 1 shot for now I should be good.

[@Asptuber]

Hi from Finland, we also did the 12 week schedule initially when vaccines were scares. Now we have plenty, and now the schedule is minimum 6 weeks, maximum 12 weeks. (And the only people getting boosters here are those who got it early on a 3 week schedule, and those happen to be either Covid-facing staff or severely at risk otherwise.)

[@jaxel45]

What’s Dr Makary’s take on what the people who work at HHS said about the vaccines? Jodi O’Malley, RN: “Now you got this guy in room four who got his second dose of vaccine, on Tuesday. Has been short of breath, okay? Now his BNP is elevated, D-Dimer elevated, ALT. All his liver enzymes are elevated. His PT… PT - INR is elevated.” Dr Maria Gonzales : “He’s got probably myocarditis!” Jodi O’Malley, RN:”Yes!” Dr Maria Gonzales : “All this is b*llsh*t. Now probably myocarditis due to the vaccine. But now, they’re not going to blame the vaccine.”

[@joshuahooker8369]

What are your thoughts on sinopharm...I live in Thailand and it was the only one I could get right now...

[@paulamontgomery2057]

Interview Dr. Malone!!!!

[@Inserthouse]

#Dr.#Malone

[@TheMilford]

Sure, why not. I would watch. And at least Zdogg would push back. I think we should foster more of those kids of discussions.

[@2Aallday]

As a fellow Baltimoron....lol. Dr. Makary is someone I follow and respect.