Second Thessalonians 012 - The Departure First (Part 6). 2 Thess. 2:3a. Dr. Andy Woods. 11-12-23

2 Thessalonians 2:3a • Dr. Andy Woods • November 12, 2023

[@monabo1]

God bless you pastor Andy. Love you

[@Fairford2001]

I’m blown away by this teaching again!! I’m more convinced 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is a physical departure. I bought an updated copy of Footsteps of the Messiah, the Bible translation Pastor Andy described, and the Defender’s Study Bible. I already own a Geneva Bible.

[@g.c.541]

Dr Woods is spot on! I love his bold teaching and how he challenges the majority thought by going back to 2 Thess 2:3's literal context. He is a breath of fresh air!!

[@rebamoon4965]

Helpful study to cement the Pre-Trib Rapture. Thank you, Dr. Woods.

[@leatharay3565]

❤love the simplistic teaching I can understand

[@Mathetes1]

Simplistic it is. True it isn't.

[@thebraapdawg]

​@@Mathetes1What?

[@abc-nk1jk]

Thank you

[@watchwomansoundingthealarm]

Well, this cleared up my questions about the apostasy. Thank you Pastor Woods!! 🙂 Sharing!

[@atzengruber]

Gosh, Dave Olander ! What a blast from the past ! Brings back lots of fond memories and enormous gratutude on my part. I was a newborn babe in Christ deeply steeped in Charismatic beliefs and practices when a friend inroduced me to an American Bible Study group on a US Army base here in my hometown of Nuremberg, Bavaria ( Germany) - 30 years ago to the day. The group was made up of Army personell and German civilians with a good enough grasp of English to follow the teaching of Dave Olander.For me it was an eye opener since I had never heard the Bible taught verse-by-verse before. After each session on Friday nights Dave and his assistant cooked for us and answered our questions, Christmas was celebrated together, two marriages resulted out of this little circle of ours. I remember the tears when Dave went on to Cadiz, Spain in 1994. His ministry was pivotel in my decision to leave the charismatic movement a year later and I am forever grateful to the Lord for bringing Dave Olander into my life.🙏

[@1dutchess68]

Excellent

[@samuelfinland9587]

My biggest concern is, if i’m the only Finn who’s listening dr. Andy Woods exxxxcllent teachings, especially in relation to Jesus’ second coming and pre-rapture theology. I think, we desperately need these lessons in finnish language in our churces. So much to learn.

[@atzengruber]

Doesn`t exist here in Germany either, but at least the booklet was translated into German.

[@cycletrade2276]

Thank you, Andy, for this 'refresher. We have heard you on this verse and meaning of spiritual falling away and physical departure before. My wife and I have listened or watched every message in 2-3 series you have presented. Grateful for your diligent exegesis and patient exposition. We've learned a lot and come away feeling full and through osmosis and application find it makes a difference in our Christian living

[@darlenemckay265]

Always love your teachings!❤️

[@janniloman8818]

Precious teaching!

[@BIGLOVE4TRUTH]

In a manner of speaking, he blew his critics out of the water.

[@watchwomanonthewall]

Yes, absolutely agree.

[@misskj7773]

Biblical truth!

[@watchwomanonthewall]

Amen❤

[@theoneandonlypinkypinky8245]

my pastor was Dave Wilkerson. He believed what you believe too.

[@sandraresides9063]

Thanks!

[@BlessedHope7.7.7]

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[@joelook6425]

Andy, you can add Chuck Missler to the list too

[@clarissamccarty2260]

Thank you. I really appreciate learning the truth in scripture. I have heard this explanation before from Les Feldick

[@StephenSulyok]

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[@rongoodman2844]

Imho, the weight of the argument for a physical departure is much more substantive and convincing than any argument I have heard for the traditional interpretation of a spiritual departure. That said, one of the things that bothers me most on this debate is how some well-known Bible prophecy teachers summarily dismiss the physical departure viewpoint as having no credibility, at times without even seeming to give any consideration to the kinds of arguments that Dr woods puts forth. Reach whatever conclusion you come to, but any reasonably open-minded, objective person maintaining their intellectual integrity could not, imho, dismiss this viewpoint without recognizing its merit of at least being given serious consideration, even if it is ultimately rejected for whatever reason. When I hear someone simply reject it out of hand just because it's not the traditional interpretation, Proverbs 18:13 comes to mind. "He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him." Maranatha!!!

[@Carol-bn9gx]

Pastor Andy, Do you think that we are now at that point of likely rapture? I’m leaning on the fact that we are now 2,000 years down the road from AD 32.,which was when Christ went back up to Heaven. So could the Rapture come in 2025??

[@Nivalian]

The evidence of apostasia translated as departure in earlier copies was a slam dunk to me until you read their commentaries. They all say departure from the faith. Is there a rebuttal for that response?

[@Nivalian]

@@Donasavedbygrace Correct, but those who translated apostasia as departure explained it departure from faith

[@lisatorry1902]

Is there any chance Paul chose this word BECAUSE it could be interpreted two ways? Understanding context, context, context……

[@marshaparham7286]

Since 2nd Thess is a follow up on the 1st letter, to bring clarity, correction, and to reinstate truth he had already taught, then Paul would be referencing only these matters in his opening thoughts. I do not remember apostates, in its common use, taught in 1 Thess. Just thoughts. The Rheems Bible changing 2 Thess to condemn protestants conforms to a continuous pattern in that organization and is 'apostasy'.

[@gotteskinder3746]

Apostasia can also mean 'revolt': apostasía, lit. "defection, revolt" is the formal disaffiliation from, abandonment of, or renunciation of a religion by a person. It can also be defined within the broader context of embracing an opinion that is contrary to one's previous religious beliefs. That fits very well to the abomination of desolation Jesus was referring to in Mathew 24:15. It also fits very well to the context of 2.Thess.2. That will be midnight, the darkest hour of apostasy from faith, when the bridegroom is coming for his bride.

[@AndyWoodsBibleStudy]

No, Israel is already an unbelieving nation. There’s nothing for them to apostatize from (Rom. 10:21).

[@gotteskinder3746]

@@AndyWoodsBibleStudy I am not talking about Israel, I am talking about you and me and the church of Christ. We do apostate, the believers do. "Will I find faith?" said Jesus. What is he talking about in Revelation 1-3?

[@gotteskinder3746]

@@AndyWoodsBibleStudy Paul warned us about those who fell away, even in his time (2.Tim.1:15). Peter warned us about false teachings in his second letter and 1.John even talks about believers that are antichrist (not the Antichrist): 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. Or Hebrew 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and WERE MADE PARTAKERS of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[@gotteskinder3746]

@@AndyWoodsBibleStudyplease look up apostasia G646 which is only two times in the KJV. And the usage in Acts 21,21 is forsake Moses, which is departure from faith or falling from faith. I can’t believe you have not done that already. Strange.

[@gotteskinder3746]

At minute 13:00 you even suggest to cross out apostasy or rebellion in the notes and replace it with departing away? Wow!

[@raw7279]

If 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is the rapture or departure then the rest of the scripture with this scripture would read like this, now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and us departing to meet him. (Two) things must happen (First) the departure or apostasy and the revealing of the lawless one. If apostasy is departure then the scripture as a whole would read. The departure going to happen before the departure and Don't forget the lawless one is revealed.

[@AndyWoodsBibleStudy]

That is an unstable argument that I will be dealing with in subsequent presentations.

[@raw7279]

@@AndyWoodsBibleStudy the scripture is plain and simple. I don't like it but it is what it is.

[@deannahamm3300]

O

[@gotteskinder3746]

@@raw7279 You are spot on. Paul would not write this that way as an eloquent writer as he was. Furthermore Jesus said that we will be gathered to him AFTER these tribulations. I received a thought that the day of the Lord is his wrath and tribulation is not the same as the day of the Lord. Christians always had tribulations in history and all arguments for a pre-wrath rapture are weak. And look how fallen away from faith Christianity already is. Jesus warned in Revelation chapter 1-3 about that as well as Paul in the letters to Timothy. There is no religious persecution in our society anymore, because the devil sits already in Christianity and has changed the doctrine already.

[@TheRdawg16]

“It” in vs. 3 is referring to the Day of the Lord, not the rapture.

[@watchwomanonthewall]

After reading some of these comments, I understand more clearly the warning "few should become teachers." Y'all muddy the water and cause confusion. Shame on you.

[@gotteskinder3746]

Dear Pastor Andy, here is my second challenge for you and all your pre-trib followers: most pre-tribers argue that the church isn't mentioned later in the book of Revelation, correct? Did you realise that the letters to the angels of the seven churches were written by John, while he was in the spirit on the Lord's day? Isn't that day of the Lord not mentioned in 2.Thess.2,1? That would mean that the church is on earth till the day of the Lord, as Jesus prophesied in Mt.24,29-31, correct?

[@gotteskinder3746]

What Pastor Andy also does not reckon as truth is the fact that the antichrist has to be revealed in order to be gathered to our Lord. It is one of the two events, Paul is mentioning in his second letter to Thessaloniki. Therefore, to believe that we can be raptured at any time is ridiculous. And actually it is exactly the spirit that Paul warned about in 2.Thess.2,2: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand." Because all people that teach/tell that the rapture can happen any time do say that the day of the Lord is at hand. Otherwise our gathering can not happen. The gathering happens at the day of the LORD and not anytime else. It's so plain to see in scripture- literally. There is no hidden second coming. Nowhere in scripture.

[@gotteskinder3746]

Dear Pastor Andy, now I challenge you. Apostasia G646 is only two times in the KJV. In Acts 21:21 as forsake Moses, which is clearly to understand as falling from faith in Moses and not to circumcise children and so on. If scripture interprets scripture then apostasia in 2.Thess. 2 is departure from faith.

[@gotteskinder3746]

@@DonasavedbygraceLuke was not inspired by God I guess talking about Paul in Jerusalem. LOL

[@BlessedHope7.7.7]

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