Fallen Aces, Mullet Mad Jack, Riven, Frogun Encore | Yahtzee Tries

[@OverlySarcasticProductions]

I haven't seen a Gex joke in a KZbin video since skee-ball night at Videogamedunkey's house. -B

[@jinxhijinx1768]

Someone doesn't watch scott the woz

[@azzzanadra]

didn't expect to find you here, OSP.

[@herohades2230]

I haven't seen a crossover event like this one since Avengers Endgame splooged all over the cinemas.

[@icarue993]

@@azzzanadra I think Blue often watches the channel. He commented on one of Cold Take's epidoses

[@Levi-gh1sq]

Is that Gex?

[@LoneManProductions]

You kids today with your 3D walkaround Rivens. Back in my day, we had to switch CDs whenever we wanted to travel to a different island and had to take notes to know where to put the marbles in that one waffle iron puzzle. Ut was that or print out the 60-100 page walkthroughs and boy was my mom mad when she found out where all her printing paper went!

[@ShonnDaylee]

Yep. Pretty much down to the letter. I enjoyed every minute of it, though. I couldn't believe how beautiful the environments were. It was breathtaking. I REALLY wish this new iteration was coming to PSVR 2. I would love to have the experience 30 years later in VR.

[@doppelkammertoaster]

@@ShonnDaylee Yeah. I'm still not sure if I like the changes though.

[@GerinoMorn]

I think the big difference was that we had usually a single game till next payday/christmas, so hitting a wall for 3 months of daily trying to figure out a game was... well... gaming :D

[@TheLazySamurai]

As a huge fan of the original Riven, and someone who is very much enjoying the remake; you did give the remake justice, other than missing the plot part... but to be fair missing the plot part is easy when you don't want to read like 20 pages of Atrus's journal as the start of the game. Its kind of like how when I first played Baldur's Gate 2, and never really got past the tutorial dungeon because I read every book in the library as a kid

[@Epicmonk117]

You should play _Tactical Breach Wizards_ for this. It’s a fun little tactical SWAT/puzzle game where your entire team consists of wizards in kevlar, such as: - A retired “Navy Seer,” who wields a variety of foresight-related powers (such as the undo button), and a gun that’s also a wand. - A lightning mage PI who can fling enemies around the battlefield, into walls, and out of windows with her shock baton. - A necromancer medic who “heals” people by shooting them in the head and then reviving them. - A priestess in riot gear who beats the shit out of people with a censer. The game comes out on August 22nd, and there’s a demo available right now.

[@InfiniteDarkMass]

Why is this written like an ad? Do you work there? Or was it just a one time payment?

[@Epicmonk117]

@@InfiniteDarkMass Neither. I’m just some chucklefuck who’s excited for the game.

[@bottomlefto]

mullet mad jack wasn't asking for much and it always gave me a "1 more run" feeling. a quick 5 minute jaunt always turned into an hour with that game. that, the solid core loop and aesthetics that appeal to me makes it a good purchase in my book. glad to see yahtzee agree that it succeeds what it sets out to do, i think it deserves more attention.

[@UnNuclear]

It's cheap, it has style, it has a banger of an OST, and the gameplay loop is fun. I agree that it deserves more attention that it's getting.

[@DirranProductions]

It's wild that my video on the demo was up on the list of people covering it, with all of 40 views. Thought it would get more attention than it did the whole prerelease.

[@Aluranae]

Honestly, I picked up Fallen Aces after catching the stream and I've been enjoying it because the style is something fresh. Detective Noir, *that* sort of noir, isn't really done that often anymore if at all, and I can see the heart and soul under the current jank. It makes me think of those 90's era discs you could get, that'd have like. 3-4 levels of a given shooter on it and that was your lot.

[@tipulsar85]

For those wonder where the plot is in Riven, well... Some of it is not where Yahtzee likes it, in additional reading. While some of the backstory is in Atrus's Diary, given in the opening cutscene prelink, more of it is in the novel that came out directly in between Myst and Riven's original release in 1995. How many novels in total are there? Well three, but only Book of Atrus is actually important to fully understanding Riven, and more importantly, why the changes to those that played the first game to finish are thrown for a loop. Not bad for what was once a fan project. The other Fan project is also hopefully doing well, but being a TTRPG Unwritten's team might just be hunkering down to get everything correct to Cyan's specs.

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

And now I'm reminded of the fact, that of all the modern games Balan (freaking) Wonderworld has pulled the same trick on us.

[@bafflemint8442]

I kind of enjoy how aggressively uncommercial Riven is. It's a sequel to one of the most popular computer games of all time, and the creators doubled down on everything that made Myst kind of obtuse and hard to get into and barely included the iconic, commercially obvious touchstones like the linking books. That might sound sarcastic but I really do admire the artistic integrity. Myst 3 and 4 are essentially remakes of Myst, and Riven is a very ambitious, very odd game. It's the result of a strong vision.

[@PeterDibble-t7s]

I agree with you for the most part, but I have to say that Myst 3 was far better than Myst 4. Myst 3 Exile was indeed a retread in many ways, but it was a deliberate one, and it had a great villain, more accessible puzzles, and actually added to the lore. Myst 4 by contrast was the very definition of running in place. I mean, it was all there in the subtitle. Revelations? Really? Could you make it any more obvious this was developed in-house by Ubisoft?

[@andrewhickinbottom1051]

Great job on the edits! That first stream had some great banter - especially KC's tales of the glamorous P.I lifestyle.

[@GothicOctopus]

MY GOD THEY REMADE RIVEN? I can’t wait to be extremely excited to make no progress in a game to weird noises AGAIN. (Genuinely. I want this. The exploration and confusion made me incredibly happy.)

[@chronicbrightside8757]

The Community reference (with Yahtzee's face glued onto Jeff's body) got me

[@jcace13]

The editing is why I watch both the streams and the recap.

[@kobuseksteen411]

Riven must be played with a steadily growing pile of hastily drawn notes and sketches on paper piled up next to your keyboard.

[@killerbee.13]

pro gamers use a graph paper notebook they bought in high school and have used approximately the first 20 pages of in the entire time since up to playing Riven

[@karlack2682]

The fun part of Riven is you are lost as to the why of it all, then at some point if you solider through it all, it clicks. Then you get it. then the story comes. the puzzles make sense. in many ways its very dark souls like where you have to find the story, its not really told to you.

[@crushycrawfishy1765]

It's okay for a story to do this, but it also can't deny you for too long. I love slow burns, but it is possible to take too long to cook to hold a persons interest.

[@camwyn256]

I hope the loading time is better with the remake. Having to switch between 6 cds nearly every screen transition made me unable to get into the original

[@yracpontiferous4846]

@@camwyn2565 cds and only when you switched between islands, but your loss.

[@Cyan-hide]

I don’t know why people say dark souls’ story is hidden and you have to find it. The world is dying because of entropy and you are to sacrifice yourself to prolong it a little. It’s pretty straight forward just from the fact that the first area where you fight shambling husks and the undead burg is in decay. Not to mention, the first 2 npc you encounter are dead (inside) and dying. It’s not the story you search for in Dark Souls, it’s the lore, the why and how of all of it.

[@karlack2682]

@@Cyan-hide that's the plot the game presents you with at the start. You find the story as you interact with the world.

[@CJBooks4]

I love the sense of humor in these videos here, especially when seeing a moment in the livestreams that ends up being a funny joke in the edited video

[@chaosisnthere]

whoever is doing your editing seems to be having a good bit of fun. They got that style ;D

[@Fluctuatingmiasma]

These videos are lots of fun to watch thank you for all the time and effort!

[@GreatWightSpark]

To be fair, Myst is like Marmite, and Yahtzee doesn't have the patience for it.

[@Stevedawhoop]

The Beatles joke gets me more than it should

[@Swagmaster65]

Can't say I blame Yahzee for how Riven treated him. The Plot really does go "There's a bad man and my wife in this book. I know absolutely nothing else, so you get to blind jump in there for me." For those considering the game, you need a notebook and pen. If something looks weird, write it down. You'll be fine.

[@gargaj]

Honestly, I enjoy playing Riven "wrong" - screw the plot, gimme obscure puzzles with no explanation.

[@anirudhmenon5085]

big fan of the cute dog cutaways

[@justinb4794]

Myst and Riven are games where you have to surrender to the fact you are a person lost in a strange land and your perception of what you need to figure out and where you need to go IS the game. Aimlessly walking around to find things to click on isn't going to be a satisfying experience because that's not how the game is intended to be played. This isn't something that most people intuit on their first go. In the same way people figured out pretty quick that Demon's Souls or Dark Souls isn't another action adventure game, and boy are we glad that they weren't once we realised what it was that were had gotten ourselves into because there was nothing else like it. I don't expect Yahtzee to do a serious dive into Riven on stream in a handful of minutes/hours but to chalk it up as some antiquated way that games were made that doesn't hold up is objectively wrong. There have been modern Myst-like games that still aren't as good as the originals despite 30 years in between. And the translation to 3D doesn't obfuscate the relevant from irrelevant in the environment--Anyone who played the original Myst or Riven has *easily* missed a path they could walk down or a passage concealed by a door or lift that you'd have to turn around to see. A core part of these games is questioning your assumptions; the game doesn't mislead you (because the game doesn't tell you anything), it is the player who decides what needs to be done and so it is the player who gets themselves into/out of trouble (assuming the developers designed a puzzle that is fair and has sound logic to it).

[@MandleRoss]

KC saying that he thinks the guy might be his father is such an Axel Foley move.

[@MatthewBester]

Intro gave me "it gets better in season 2 episode 7" vibes I usually get from friends.

[@Mike-os3pt]

11:55 that notification got me

[@BaileyBPF]

Haven't seen or heard of Srewball Scramble in about 15 years. Yahtzee has a way of making me regress to core memories from my childhood as a late 90s born Englishman like nobody else could begin to.

[@Beutimus]

Riven: the hunt for nipple

[@Zorgdub]

I had completely forgotten about Screwball Scramble! It was so much fun.

[@KingOfElectricNinjas]

I had a Screwball Scramble but it was broken. I kinda wanna find a complete one someday just for closure.

[@SACworks]

Oh this is great! Already loving it. Gonna add some timestamps, mostly for personal use. :) 0:23 - Fallen Aces (with KC! No, not Frost interestingly enough.) 0:43 - Toffee! Aww, what a sleepy boy! 1:36 - Not liking Starstruck? (Eyo? Idk) 2:09 - Pfft, what a pigeon. (Edit: Oh god-) 2:23 - Wait, that's Jack! (And Marty! Poor fellas lol.) *Wheezes* 2:52 - What, KC was a PI? Interesting... 3:11 - Toffee sleepy scratch. Aww...also, happy place Yahtz. 3:37 - Bahaha! Probably the best story I've heard for identity confirmation. 3:59 - Mullet Madjack! (Still with KC!) 5:03 - more Toffee cam! Also, trenchcoat talk. (Younger Yahtz? ) 6:42 - Peculiar talk about VR headsets... 7:16 - A Dono for sleepy Toffee! 7:53 - Riven! (With JM8!) 9:53 - Sorry J, the what? Oh... 10:09 - ... hotdogs...now I'm hungry... 12:00 - Frogun! (Still with JM8!) 12:40 - Father and son moment. (/J) 13:46 - Screwball scramble? Looks like a marble run like, and fun. + Ego searching 14:26 - Struggling with platforming I see. (Keep going after the avatar cuts.) What is that image at the end there?

[@tairyu2574]

Post-void walked so Mullet Mad Jack could run. 🏃

[@YOURNOTSAFEAGAIN]

Mullet Mad Jack looks suspiciously like another game with a ticking clock mechanic that's called Post Void...

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

I'd say there a few more things borrowed here than just the clock mechanic! But then it's been 4 years since Post Void's release and this might uniquely appeal to people who bounced off of Post Void's style.

[@ConsarnitTokkori]

which one is it? i'm putting my bets on post void, but it could be another post void

[@Koalalover70]

He’s hoping more people will give Frogun a chance

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

...hopping... it was right there, man... why...

[@FairlySadPanda]

Agreeing with a few comments here about the complaint about Riven, it was a very poor choice for "let's play this for an hour". A lightly-puzzled walking simulator that has two Big Puzzles in it you figure out at the end to get a you-win screen is going to be TERRIBLE to try and sample. It's like trying to do the National Portrait Gallery in an hour; you'll see a lot of pretty art but you'll end up feeling frustrated. It'd be much more fun for Design Delve to take a look at it, especially the friction it had to resolve between capturing the "you are in this surreal alternate reality" and the severe need it had for puzzle modernization. Having Yahtzee, a bitter vet who is very, very burnt out on the entire adventure game format, play it for an hour is probably the worst way to cover the game I can think of. Other than maybe forcing Robin Walker, the RPS founder who hates Myst with a firey, eternal passion, to play it.

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

I loved those adventure games Yahtzee made! I remember a bottle of cola was used as the traversal item to the shadow world at one point. Boy, he sure has improved his understanding of the gaming medium since then.

[@fionali4502]

12:00 Frogun Encore

[@ScarfKat]

Riven was a very strange inclusion here. It feels like he went in expecting to not like it.

[@JoaoAgile]

I'm looking forward to Frogun Encore, as I loved the first game. And for me, Mullet Madjack is one of this year's best surprises.

[@MarsAres]

It really bothered me how intense the first level music of Frogun Encore is.

[@THB192]

Riven is an amazing game, far better than Myst and genuinely a standout among the adventure games of its era, especially the Myst-likes, but it really does not make the best first impression. The pacing is glacial and the actual puzzles, once you find them, are brutal. At least there are only two...

[@SocksAndPuppets]

More people quit a game in the first hour of the game than any other point... make the start the best bit! Even then if people quit because it's not their thing, or they were busy for a while and didn't want to start over, or because they had too many other things to play, they'll leave with a better impression

[@TheCreepypro]

out of all of them frogun is the one I would actually want to try

[@thesnowboundcabin]

Mullet Mad Jack looks like Post Void in a trenchcoat, and I say this as a fan of most things Post Void is doing.

[@ThisAdamGuy]

I can't explain what it is, but something about the way the little girl in Frogun says "Ow" whenever she dies pisses me off.

[@officialgagethepyro5391]

Every time i watch a gangster movie, i think “man fedoras look cool. Maybe…” this is a trap. That time is over

[@breadraptor]

i really like watching these recaps :)

[@sharkkebunni]

Editing miss opportunity when the game achievement sound popped 11:55 they should have added a fake achievement box that said "You've discovered tit all" lol

[@theworkshopwhisperer.5902]

Screw ball scramble. That reminds me we had a old one in my primary school no one ever got anywhere and it was definitely the favourite game.

[@eatingpancakesrightnow2786]

Dang it, I'm only now finally getting into shadows of doubt and children of the sun. Spent like $80 this summer sale! Now Fallen Aces looks interesting

[@typacsk]

8:36 More like 'what an *Age* we live in,' amirite? 11:14 There was one point in the original "Riven" that failed to do this, and it frustrated me so much I gave up the game for a while. (It was the hidden switch near the giant Wahrk statue.)

[@LinktheSamoyed]

I always went by immersive sim is one where you can open a cupboard or drawer

[@Waffletigercat]

Mullet Mad Jack looks like the gameplay is fun, but man that timer would stress me out way too much. I don't think I could actually play it.

[@pmintertek]

@@Waffletigercat There is a mode without timer but I'm not sure how it deals with health

[@op4000exe]

Too late mr. Yahtzee, I have a red fedora, and I am young.

[@hedigo3036]

I feel like frogun’s platforming would be better if it’s player and character shadows did the thing where it’s just a circle directly below them. That way you can actually tell where you’d land.

[@ArtemyMusha]

If Yahtzee has a habit of seeing the domes in Riven as boobs, I can easily guess how he'd see the tusks in Myst 3 Exile.

[@aeloswindrunner]

Petition for KC to do at least 1 episode of Magnum PI

[@therambler5895]

Sir. You are the reason my icon has a damn trilby. This is your doing.

[@benburke3015]

I lov how Yahtzee is warning people against wearing fedoras (as he should) while his avatar/rantsona is still very much wearing a fedora every time it's on screen. lol.

[@upgrayedd251]

This was streets ahead

[@lordbarristertimsh8050]

Maybe Yahtzee should try Gloomwood on a future Yahtzee Tries, it's still in early access, but it is greatly influenced by the Thief Trilogy and it wears that on it's sleeves, and Yahtzee loves the old Thief games.

[@templar804]

Someone's working on a Screwball Scramble videogame. I see their videos of new levels on Tumblr every once in a while.

[@kaffohrt9858]

Mullet Mad Jack reminds me of "Post Void"

[@20xd6]

How was Frost not on the discord call for the Detective game ?????????

[@Feeble_cursed_one]

Unlike a fake noir, kc was the real thing : - )

[@benjaminlee985]

Riven has a reputation as the hardest Myst game, so there's no shame in not finishing it. However, I really liked the atmosphere, slowly exploring the island and getting the vague impression that the society the bad guy built is really fucked up. It even justifies the isolated nature of the Myst game by having the islanders sound an alarm and hide whenever you approach.

[@doppelkammertoaster]

Actually to me Riven is the only game from Cyan (also Myst 3), where the riddles make sense. I couldn't get into any other one of them.

[@MindOfGenius]

I just hope the Riven remake doesn't have some issues with Steam like the original does/did.

[@lordcoggswaffle4444]

Doggo updates via zoom makes this video amazing lol. Dog cares little for your meh shooters!

[@metazoxan2]

Defintely feel Frogun and it's sequal are for the big Platformer fan crowd. In a way the innacurate jumping being part of the challange is something I kind of missed and it's not so severe that you can't get a feel for it after a few tries. But obviously just an hour of gameplay is only going to give you so much muscle memory and non fans of platformers may not want to bother. I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend this to a newbie of the platformer genera, but someone who's already into them should have fun with it.

[@avramnovorra]

Still hoping Yahtzee gets to try out Trepang² someday; i know KC did a short review fpr it under The Escapist but maaaaaan imagine the possibilities

[@VeritabIlIti]

Did Yahtzee finally drop the "it was a Trilby" excuse? The fedora was real all along?!

[@nurtington]

loved the riven remake all the way, the original was one of my favorite games ever.

[@Lillian2167]

I had a Screwball Scramble when I was a kid. :'''D

[@DelphinusZero]

Chameleon Twist!? What’s next, an Iggy’s Reckin’ Balls-like?

[@swordsandsheilds5564]

Aw yep

[@banisherblade]

That "Yahtzee Tries, not Yahtzee makes a commitment" line is so perfect to counter all the "it gets better" copers.

[@Cergorach]

I really hope no one is trying to trigger Yahtzee's commitment phobias... ;) An hour or two can be extremely scary...

[@Dasgath]

Mullet Mad Jack its just Post Void but less abstract and more anime.

[@eldibs]

"Now I'm ready to stab whoever is calling me on the phone..." You mean like literally any time someone calls you on the phone?

[@WolvesbaneNetwork]

Other games have worlds as the draw. Riven is pne of those few games where the world is the point.

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

Indie double bills live on and on

[@cathallynch1]

Fallen Aces gives me XIII vibes. Yahtzee must not have played it or he'd have mentioned it.

[@Sakeretsu]

Screwball Scramble gang!

[@cadenzabreak7689]

I don't know anything about that dog but they're adorable and you should just replace Yahtzee with a cute dog cam.

[@Tambasarem]

Oh I thought Frogun would be some sort of samurai frog game (frog+shogun) not a game where you use a gun that's also a frog.

[@MoskalMedia]

I thought it would be a game inspired by Frogger!

[@GerinoMorn]

Is Mirror's Edge a 3D platformer? I think it was pretty fun, aside the bit with the combat I absolutely hated. As someone who grew up on 2D platformers of all kinds, starting technically with 1989 Prince of Persian, Dizzy, Hocus Pocus, Jazz Jackrabit or Earthworm Jim, to just name off the top of my head, I really do like the gameplay loop of them. I think the problem with 3D platformers is usually with player control (I have no idea how one can think that any kind of platforming with wobbly, high-momentum movement is acceptable), or often with the actual camera. In real life we have a suite of senses that allow us to orientate ourselves in 3D space. In games we're looking at a flat 2D picture, with no other feedback...

[@TheScifiMusic]

I love the constant updates on the dog

[@hidood5th]

Still think Post Void did Mullet Mad Jack's thing better by focusing on speed above all else

[@extremepayne]

Actual sprites in a 3d game engine always look less convincing than 3d assets with sprite-like post processing filters

[@Jurgan6]

This is going to be the most embarrassingly fanboy thing I've ever typed in my life, but: The plot of Riven makes more sense if you've read the prequel novel "Book of Atrus." It's not necessary, the highlights are given in the in-game journal Atrus gives you, but you don't have the same feel for how monstrous Gehn is. That said, as a fan, I'm not sure I feel any need to play another version of the same game I've already played.

[@FairlySadPanda]

It's basically a new game with the same world map layout, it's mad

[@Mike-os3pt]

*MADJACK

[@Wiles731]

IMO, "it gets better after [___] hour(s)" is not a good case for the game. make your beginnings better, devs. the whole of the game should be good, not just the later parts. The beginning is the only part that all your players will see.

[@ThisAdamGuy]

Exactly. It's like when people say that a book series doesn't get good until book 5, so you're not allowed to criticize books 1-4.

[@gameworkerty]

I think it's a little different when a game has a lot of complex mechanics, since you actually have to learn how to play before it gets fun. Otherwise we will get shallow games forever.

[@Wiles731]

No excuse. You can still make it fun as you learn. Plenty of games do this. Portal, to start with probably the best example, is teaching you how to play for 80% of it, and is fun from the get go.

[@drdca8263]

Idk, I think it can be an ok case? Like, if the first part is passable but not great, but the later parts are great, that might be better than a game that gets a passable+ from beginning to end?

[@cptvictor9579]

@@drdca8263 Passable is one thing, but in 95% of the cases I've heard this used, the beginning 2 or so hours actually fully suck to the point where it's near impossible to see how the remainder can be anywhere good enough to justify it. A good hook is important.

[@tomvandongen8075]

The burger into JM8's mouth made me actually laugh out loud

[@LocalSlasher]

It was funny, but it was a hot dog you silly sausage

[@damie9412]

Nive

[@an2qzavok]

Maybe it's just KZbin's video compression, but Mullet Mad Jack looks like neon vomit to me.

[@Wickpheme]

Yahtzee needs to git gud at a real man's game like Riven. I've honestly lost respect for his opinion. Stick with yer mindless FromSoft games dude.

[@stevemanart]

If a game isn't good in its first hour, it's not good. Full stop. I'm not asking for the first hour to be the best the game has, but if its the worst then its not worth playing.

[@opts1112]

Mullet madjack is just post-void with a different aesthetic

[@Waffletigercat]

Watching that Frogun gameplay, I feel like Yahtzee is just bad at the game. Sorry.

[@amysel]

The original game is incredibly difficult during the middle part due to the jank grappling controls, I genuinely can't get mad at him for struggling with this one

[@Waffletigercat]

@@amysel I don’t agree that the first game was hard. I thought it was pretty easy by platforming standards.

[@Matuse]

The nun falling off the ladder is a very obvious stuntman who looks nothing like the actress. 70s TV was truly awful.

[@Rhodochrone]

I think his expectation of what Riven is worked against it. It's really not some obtuse nonsense puzzle world. The narrative of Riven and its inhabitants is in every detail of your surroundings, to an almost shocking degree. Once you get Atrus' journal out of the way (it's not that long and give you a lot of context and motivation) engaging properly with Riven feels like being on an adventure, not like you're tinkering with puzzle contraptions, but trying to understand and take advantage of your surroundings; figure out what's happening and how everyone has adapted. I wish more games were like it, so motivated by art and story; so willing to let the player figure things out. I'm very seriously contemplating throwing my Yahtzee-themed propeller hat in the BIN

[@MochaRitz]

Edit - To anybody who doesn't get what I'm saying, there's hundreds of games that get released that aren't covered here, so it's weird to see 2 guys boot up a game that isn't driven by a primary gameplay loop, knowing full well that it won't make for a great stream. Even fans of the games know they don't stream well, they're supposed to be consumed with WAY more focus. Did he seriously just start the video defending his incessant whining during Riven? Just don't play games that aren't conducive to the format. It's not the fault of the game that you're on a time crunch. A lot of stuff you complained about was kinda integral to the experience too. If there wasn't empty area to traverse, then the game would either be tiny, or bloated with puzzles. If every interactive element was lit up, it'd be the equivalent of giving open world games a waypoint marker, as it would allow players to mindlessly wander the world, ignoring everything that was now deemed "not important." One of my favorite games ever, and its one of the most interesting remakes I've ever played, and all they can do is nitpick and call every dome a boob. Wow very cool!

[@MochaRitz]

​@@BladedEdgeI'm completely okay with him despising the entire series, but then idk why you'd stream it. Its not like this was a new game, he already knew he disliked it.

[@ThisAdamGuy]

"I know this thing is annoying, but the game would be worse without it." If a game is badly designed, and would still be badly designed if you took all the annoying parts out, then what you have is a bad game.

[@crushycrawfishy1765]

@@MochaRitz Because it was updated to full 3D and worth checking out for that reason to see if time sweetened it or they fixed some irritants the old game had. Not that riven is special anyways.

[@MochaRitz]

​@@ThisAdamGuythe emotions art is allowed to illicit are more than just one. The frustration is a core part of these games, and I wouldn't enjoy them nearly as much without it. It's part of why the world feels so real, because if you were plopped there in real life, you wouldn't have a guide. This is like me jumping into RTS games, or MOBAS, ans saying theyre bad games because i find zero enjoyment in them. No, that just means theyre for a different audience and I should remove myself from the discussion.

[@ThisAdamGuy]

​@@MochaRitz you're welcome to feel however you want about it, but complaining about Yahtzee's take on it just makes me think of a line he once said back when he was doing Extra Punctuation: if it bothers you *this much* that someone didn't enjoy a game as much as you did, maybe it means you didn't enjoy the game as much as you thought and you're in danger of having your bubble burst.