Secret 50% Discount For MECHANIZED - HOI4 Mechanized Guide

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[@FeedbackIRL]

It's time to settle the debate: Are special forces poo?

[@Tobbe628]

yes

[@MickeyMouse-bo6ug]

Not getting Italian focus tree is poo

[@ronin1915]

Yes

[@rivvabear9748]

Marines are good for fighting in Pacific and paratroopers good for capping France but that's about it tbh

[@nathanweinberger9427]

Yes sadly

[@Nostr00]

Tbf I dont understand why Pdox wont make mechanized avaiable sooner. Especialy that Germany and UK and USSR had something like it already on 1939. SdKfz 250 (or 251, I dont remember exacly), Universal Carrier and T-20 Konsomolec.

[@MagicButterz]

Most countries were using horses in the beginning of the war

[@Nostr00]

@@MagicButterz most of countries were using horses through whole war. The only fully motorised/mechanized army was USArmy. But in case of game I ment more like "avaiable to research in 39" Germany, UK and USSR could have buffs to research time or ahead of time

[@ghostarmy1106]

Germany gets a research buff for mech1, but it is usually used on tanks instead

[@Nostr00]

@@ghostarmy1106 okay. Thanks for info

[@thespoderdoge4757]

@@Nostr00 UK gets a 100% boost to motorised under the limited rearmament (this includes mech)

[@sergentspuddy8637]

A favourite division of mine was a mix of mechanised and rocket arty, it melted most divisions in a few seconds and never died

[@willscott1533]

Was?

[@coconut7490]

That division is really fun to play but sadly only work when you have an strong Industry and play a major nation, you need a lot of oil due to the fuel cost

[@robertalaverdov8147]

Was the alternative meta when motorized rocket arty didn't cost tungsten and with research bonuses had the same SA as SPG. But with new Howitzers stats and lower chassis cost SPG is back on top.

[@chicc73]

can you tell the template , exact numbers

[@jdon6484]

@@chicc73 you don’t need to know the exact numbers. You want as many motorized rocket arty as you can reasonably get away with. By that I mean look at the organization stat. An org of over 35-40 is ideal.

[@jung9399]

step one: pick random equipment step two: make video on it being OP

[@FeedbackIRL]

Next up interwar tanks

[@-John-Doe-]

@@FeedbackIRL Interwar heavy is the 5 less armor but faster than basic heavy out the gate. Don't sleep on it.

[@RoboBobo-to7fz]

If you play as Lithuania, you are going to get insane bonuses for mech attack, defense and research. I got mech 3 at late 1941 and i stomped Germany and Axis without breaking a sweat. 42 combat with = 4 rocket trucks, 2 anti air trucks and rest is mech . 1000 defense and insane amount of soft attack make this division better than tanks.

[@UnbentAtom]

Axis Gangsta until the Lithuanians cross the Horizon with a swarm of Mechanized and Rockets flying above them.

[@RoboBobo-to7fz]

@@UnbentAtom well, it was more like panslavic union at that point with my boi Mindaugas in charge. P.s i totally forgot to mention Kaunas Ford focus. I mean, wtf? -15% to production designer of mech and trucks is broken enough and you get 300% research boost.

[@gigaus0]

7:00 keep in mind, Amtraks can't be modified, only renamed. Also keep in mind that because Amtraks are SF like Amp tanks, they are effected by any bonuses to special forces in general. Meaning that it's possible to stack buffs onto AmTs that Mech won't get and make them even more chonky.

[@ruukinen]

The buffs in the SF tree of the research are pretty meh and SF bonuses from Military command don't make sense since you can just stack the more general ones instead.

[@ultru3525]

I feel like mech's pretty important when going Mobile Warfare, your generals can only use the blitz and breakthrough tactics if all the divisions they control in a battle have at least 50% hardness. So if you want to make use of those, you can only add a small amount of mot to each armoured division to boost their org. Mech on the other hand help you reach that threshold (while also boosting org).

[@purplefood1]

This seems like a incredibly valid point.

[@sirundying]

this is partialy true. theres 2 different requirements to utilise breakthrough as tactics and you only need one of the. as you mentionned one of them is all units have 50% hardness, the other one is having a skill advantage of 1 over your opposing general in battle.

[@ultru3525]

@@sirundying Edit: never mind, was looking at blitz instead of breakthrough. Could've sworn they had the exact same requirements. You do have one detail wrong though: skill advantage needs to be over 1, which means least 2.

[@marthvader14]

Didn't know generals can only use those 2 tactics if hardness is 50% or higher, where is this stated?

[@ultru3525]

@@marthvader14 If you go to the doctrine tab and click the button for selecting a favourite tactic, it'll show you a list and you can see the requirements of each one by hovering over them. Alternatively, during a battle, click on the active tactic, and it ought to show you a list of all tactics available to you, the likelihood of them being used that battle, and the weights used for that calculation. So if your general has 1 or more divisions assigned to its army that are actively fighting in the current battle with below 50% hardness, it'll show 0% chance for blitz to fire. Lastly, you can also check the land doctrine article of the hoi4 wiki. However, I haven't any place where they stated what over 50% hardness actually means, had to find that out by testing it myself. And as someone pointed out earlier, 50% hardness is only strictly necessary for blitz (and masterful blitz). Breakthrough on the other hand can also fire if you general is at least 2 skill levels higher than his opponent.

[@charliemoe7935]

Baltic countries get them even cheaper with Ford as a design company, something like 20% off I think. Lithuania also has a focus that gives it a 100% mechanized research boost. If I remember correctly you can stack that with a 2.0 years ahead of time reduction from the Ford focus (in the focus tree, not the Ford Focus), to get really cheap mechanized ii by 1940

[@janekk8833]

The thing is that you choose between having motorised or one or two doctrines more with that xp cost

[@hassetjifrebro8222]

Well by 41-42 you should have your doctrines done.

[@sheikranl3949]

If you go with mobile warfare and spend 35 XP on the spirit, you can make tank divisions for free

[@ruukinen]

@@sheikranl3949 And Mech/Mot Divisions. The savings on that one are so huge I feel it might be worth it to take the first MW doctrine just to get it and then make templates and later change to a better doctrine.

[@z3ng3stu]

I was in stream chat for once! hell yeah. Love the vids dave

[@gigaus0]

Off hand, France, Poland, and Com/Nat China can rush Mech due to the focus tree. Poland right now is the best for it, since they can get bonuses to Mech, even more so if they go fascist, or get a 300% bonus towards researching it. IT's actually a viable move to start researching Mech 1 out the gate, get the 300%, and then rush Mech 2 before '40.

[@pavelslama5543]

The one thing I really like to do is make fully motorized INF divisions. If you punch the enemy with tank divs and you support them with supply planes, these moto divs can capture HUGE parts of enemy country without the enemy ever getting an entrenchment bonus. In fact, the enemy is mostly gonna be happy if his divisions can retreat without being overrun. And when the time comes, start switching them from moto to mech. They are just not gonna take damage. And with the final tiers of technology, they may even attack on their own, without relying on tank divisions.

[@newmoonwithface]

wonder if making 1 width motorized and just using them to slip through cracks in large fronts like Barbarossa would be any good

[@drixtrix]

we love you feedback, you provides helpful tips to all

[@purplefood1]

I feel like airborne units can be handy for cutting supply lines while you attack an area, potentially even capture airfields or supply hubs if your opponent isn't being cautious.

[@purplefood1]

@@thegreatestdane8978 Yeah it's less against AI as they're not really smart enough for it to be effective but I think it could be used effectively against players if you can catch them off guard. Just cutting the rail lines in places would be enough in theory

[@collectibletaco7797]

@@purplefood1 Yeah in Multi, paradropping supply hubs and railways also gives time for them to be converted before your troops arrive

[@pavelslama5543]

I sometimes make a supermarine combo of amphibious mechs and amphibious Meds or Moderns, in a 40W division. I usually cannot produce more than a few divisions before everything is over, but if you really want to capture a seaport before the enemy manages to reinforce it with serious frontline units, this one always works. And sometimes it can even blitzkrieg the area around it to create a buffer zone you can use before your regular units arrive. Its ideal for tanking out USA, UK (if nothing else worked before), or Japan, or for D-daying Germans out from the coasts.

[@SoldierGeneral64]

Really need to do that. Usually an all or nothing guy in this game, but need to adjust mechanized templates over time.

[@aspielm759]

Good Video, I hope to see more people use mech now.

[@africacorpse8010]

Actually in a division HP behaves differently to other stats- ones like soft or hard attack are mean average between all parts of a division, but HP is a SUM of all batalions. So we can clearly see that ACs are actually classified as tanks because they add exactly 2 HP to a division just like a tank battalion. I don't remember if it got patched, but their research speed definitely used to benefit from BOTH armor designer and motorized designer for up to a whopping 30% increase with best designers- this was also pretty tricky, because ACs could benefit from some attributes added by a designer (like extra armor, speed etc.), but not all of them, and I think the designer purchased later took priority and could prevent ACs from getting that bonus from a second designer(but the research boost was still applied correctly).

[@ruukinen]

Soft attack and hard attack are not averages, they are sum totals of the equipment the battalions/companies add. The same is true of defence and breakthrough. About half the stats are sum totals and the other half averages.

[@orivilletycoon1437]

Old World Blues does special forces super super well

[@ianperry8557]

I love Mechanized some countries with truck research are the best for it. You can also make them dirt cheap by making a new model and slamming down the production cost, add reliability to offset the decrease in reliability. A 40 width mechanized division is immaculate 1000+ defense even before your support companies like engineers, art (if you want), AA, etc. Logistics is super goo too to cut fuels costs. Edit: Also since you’re creating a new variant if you can’t max of production cost right away won’t replace your production efficiency. It’s nutty watching me only produce like 5 a day and then it immediately jumps to 10 and the production efficiency hasn’t moved an inch.

[@pagatryx5451]

1000+ defence is a waste. Divisions really don't tend to be doing 1000+ attack to a division. Especially not one with high hardness. The defence should be replaced by attack in the case of overstacking as attack is still relevant in defensive battles. It's actually a massive waste because you really shouldn't be building a specialized 40w mech division for defence in the first place. The point of such divisions is to be your spearhead. Cutting into the enemy, taking supply hubs, encirclements, etc. Normal inf with arty/AT is perfectly capable of defending. And if your intent is a expensive, strong division to defend a chokepoint/point of importance, tanks are preferable as they're more capable of defending against the enemies spearhead divisions like tanks/mech than mech is.

[@ianperry8557]

@@pagatryx5451 yeah I don’t use them for defense specifically. I was more so saying that’s how high it gets at 40W. Attack depends on how much motorized arty you put with it I usually just do 4 and you see upwards of 360-400+ soft attack, about half hard attack five and tank if you add AA/AT, and breakthrough is smexy and they zoom just as quickly but are even better defended and much less likely to be pushed out from a tile you’re using to maintain a pocket.

[@o-mauler-o3021]

My question is, does anyone find AC (Armoured Cars) actually viable? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's cheap af and good for suppression, but for actual combat divisions? In History they'd be recon or raiding vehicles, but that's represented by a support company... so...

[@wannabeinfamous8690]

The most useless thing in Hoi4. For suppression I would rather go for cheapest light tank.

[@Storywalker4]

In vanilla have no niche in HOI4. They're more expensive than cheap light tanks, whilst offering less hardness and equal suppression. And they have far worse potential for damage than light tanks. They also require higher numbers than light tanks. With the tank changes, they are frankly redundant now. The *only* unique thing they have is their high speed, allowing them to keep up better with motorized.

[@TheMelnTeam]

@@wannabeinfamous8690 those cheap light tanks are strictly superior, too. you don't get anything in trade for making armor cars, you just pay more for less.

[@cosmosyn2514]

@@Storywalker4 Hmmm, I can’t think of much, but maybe they reach production cap faster? After all, armored cars are more similar to normal cars than tanks, which is something a civilian workforce would be much more accustomed to manufacture.

[@Storywalker4]

@@cosmosyn2514 This is not how production efficiency in-game works lol. Something I did miss, though, was that armored car battalions have a lot of HP. Not sure how much that matters though given their other stats

[@laszlomiskei9138]

Im using mechanised 7/2 in midgame ...works quite well

[@redknight6077]

I wish armored cars could have the same production cost modifier so they are actually viable in combat. A light tank can do better for cheaper at the moment.

[@-John-Doe-]

you can't build a light tank with the AC's stats for cheaper -- it's also a mobile battalion.

[@kutijuice3]

for the algorithm. Keep it up man.

[@DragonHunter24]

i always make a marines division with amtracs and amphibious tanks. you`ll be naval invading without any hassle

[@king_of_sin]

i dont know at what point i can consider it a good template but i did get a mechanized division built up to where it had 1100 defense and 150 something hard attack

[@mikmatusch8216]

I made that division that consists out of 9 mechanised 3 armored cars and 3 mot.artillery it’s super fun to play with even tho I don’t think it is matter it’s still awesome.

[@collinwynn6107]

Ik you can get a research bonus for it in a focus I use to be able have them by 39 but you are right about before they were just soooo expensive and not worth it

[@matropgy]

sick vid

[@uccmaster1938]

Discuss how to use Mechanized Canada with light tanks on NSB

[@flamingeskimo1136]

Amphibious Mechanised is broken, as if when conducting a naval invasion the unit gets engaged in a battle, because of the way fuel supply works at sea and during battles, it will be unable to request fuel, and after approximately 1.5 in game days, it will start suffering from the crippling 0 fuel modifiers. This means it's usually entirely incapable to land anywhere that's even moderately contested, even by the AI, and absolutely can't land against a point a player might anticipate and build up, such as a D-Day Wall. Thus, what's the point of devoting research and production to a tech that can only fight for, at most, 2 days in the terrain it was specifically designed to operate in?

[@skegniknak]

isn't that what the harbour's are built for??

[@flamingeskimo1136]

@@skegniknak no, that's for supplies after you land. This is while the units are in the process of landing

[@ruukinen]

@@flamingeskimo1136 The new pontoon harbours should work though no?

[@ErossMcCloud]

I just learned today that you can customized Mech. I thought it was another one of those equipment you couldn't upgrade. BIG CHANGES!!!!!!! I never bothered checking after NSB lol

[@FCcanal3]

Hey, I have a question and maybe you can help, I don't understand why there's an option to give a tank the half track suspension, and at the same time there's the possibility of "modding" a half track by itself, there's a benefit to choosing on or the other? I know you can't make a halftrack division with tank production, but why make halftracks when you can make trucks and tanks? Maybe is a bit costly in production but it will have tank stats rigth? btw, yes, I did copy the question I left on the previous vid, but now that you talked about halftracks, I have more interest in the unit

[@zer9761]

didnt know that!

[@ravenouself4181]

The only Special Forces I use are the Mountaineers, when I am playing a country with a lot of mountains and need to defend in said mountains.

[@AyaanGaming2211]

just a question: is having org above 45 useless? like sometimes i make divisions (pure infantry, artillery, supports) and sometimes they have like 50-60 org

[@alsanderandciaran]

We need AA AT and ARTY Mechanised like Motorised as those existed and were used during the war

[@murderouskitten2577]

wow , somebody noticed finally :D

[@mxmlnlcdcdffmnt2232]

for amtracks you also need to consider that units landing don't get supply so no fuel and if you run out of fuel those amtracks are useless for that landing.

[@seanhall8686]

True, but as SF they can get a bonus supply grace from the SF tech tree. Extreme Environment give 48 hours, and Elite Forces gives another 48 hours. Combine that with a Logistics Wizard and you can have a full 11 days of supply.

[@honeybadger6275]

@@seanhall8686 Doesn't matter, you still run out of fuel. They currently are useless.

[@owencupp2734]

mr. Feedback, is there a good use for armored cars in a division besides as garrison or recon companies?

[@FeedbackIRL]

Sadly not

[@alysajones7643]

I enjoy your videos a lot but I would ask if you could not put bright flashing lights at the end of your videos. Thank you.

[@adamfriedmann9379]

I have been dancing for 2 hours mate. Lets see it.

[@mustafaardaenhos3308]

Does only spg and mech divisions work?

[@kellymcbright5456]

ihr heard a lot on the mechs, but where is now the disocunt?

[@Flor-nl5ko]

The only reason i dont use mechanized is because you cant use it as supply trucks. So you still have to produce motorized equipment. Imo that just makes it less viable.

[@samh.6788]

Anyone know what countries have those IC buffs?

[@Helycon]

Do armored car regiments even have a purpose?

[@pegasus242]

7:02, no, you are wrong. You could modify mechanised WAAAAAAAAY before the "No step back". But before this DLC noone ever tried to click that modify button on mechanised ;d

[@FeedbackIRL]

Ha not true

[@pegasus242]

@@FeedbackIRL idk, maybe i'm wrong, but i'm sure i modified mechanised before No step back

[@ruukinen]

@@pegasus242 You could literally just check the patch notes and see that you are wrong.

[@crudecloud6483]

I am pretty sure the production cost reduction has been in the game since before no step back

[@FeedbackIRL]

Nope

[@admiralnelson7338]

Play Millennium Dawn as San Marino and take over half of Europe i did it on my channel

[@ethangaus2097]

Special forces need a DLC level rework

[@Tobbe628]

Trying to do Sunset invasion as Japan. But the special rules have had me infuriated. So i havent gotten it yet.

[@ShroomTheorist]

You should watch Bittersteel vid about it if you're struggling about it

[@Tobbe628]

@@ShroomTheorist Thanks, i have just been stubbornly trying to do it myself.

[@ghostarmy1106]

Yeah same. I puppeted UK and france, made sure to take all european tiles. Forgot first about Gibraltar (locked me out of the achievement), then in a 2nd run i forgot about brittains and frances islands in the eastern mediterran sea and malta... and so on.

[@trrr938]

Are Mechanised useful to defend a front? Could it work as a flexible defense uniting their high defense, organization and speed?

[@maximilianodelrio]

Yes, they have very High defense and are fast

[@RainbowDevourer]

I'd really think so, with that hardness + sheer defense-stat. Provided you have the industry for it I'd say give it a go

[@trrr938]

@@RainbowDevourer I will test if it works as the Soviets, they have enough industry and time to research the technology necessary.

[@kilo5011]

They can be, the reason most people don't is there are better options. Mech use fuel and rubber, which is better used up by Fighters/CAS. You get better armor and piercing by putting one heavy tank in a 42 width inf div than by having a 42 width mech div. So high armor/pierce inf (that cut inc damage by half)w/CAS, or faster inf(mech) w/double defense stat? Most go with the first since CAS is king and AI don't usually pierce.

[@francis5600]

Tried this. Used brigade sized formations to hold a front; ran out of fuel and got swarmed. Sadly Quantity usually wins out in hoi4.

[@skegniknak]

Dance Monkey Dance!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@kylewhite7478]

It is not broken since usually Germany does not get enough XP to max out their doctrine before killing France time, they can get it for killing Russia time but not before.

[@marthvader14]

07:25 I thought it was the opposite, according to the wiki "Attrition is the loss of equipment [...] when fighting on the offensive." Which one is correct?

[@honeybadger6275]

Attrition is constant, doesn't matter if you're fighting or not.

[@ruukinen]

Attrition doesn't apply in combat. Reliability does factor into whether you lose equipment from damage sustained in combat though. For the specific use of attrition in HOI4 Honey Badger doesn't know what they are talking about.

[@braddlesharris3577]

I play only mech as the USA never in war till 41 and also unlimited fuel

[@roguejoe]

Are Amtracs still bugged that they run out of fuel on the assault before landing?

[@honeybadger6275]

I believe so.

[@CheefCoach]

Mechanized were always OP. Doesn't matter that they cost a lot more at beginning, they are making that up with lower losses because of high hardness. And they are doing the job. The base truth is, you can't have more than 4 divisions per single direction attack battle. Well not more than 4x20 with divisions. So I don't need that many armored divisions, 4-8 have done the job with the France (for example). Just enough to punch the frontline. And tanks and mechs, can punch the frontline.

[@ruukinen]

With more divisions you can push more tiles instead of pushing one tile harder. It's much easier to break the enemy line if you make several holes in it.

[@Kilgorio]

Wow

[@FG_Remastered]

I noticed a short while ago that Armored Cars have more Breakthrough than light tanks. Do you think they could be better than Lights in the late-game?

[@Estoph11]

Honestly no. Tank designs will basically always be more cost efficient than armoured cars if your doing it correctly. And CAS even more so. There just isn't a reason to build an Armoured Car at the moment and it's a little frustrating.

[@FG_Remastered]

@@Estoph11 other than for garrisons, obviously.

[@Estoph11]

@@FG_Remastered again no. Interwar light tanks have the same suppression and you can get their production cost under that of armored cars.

[@FG_Remastered]

@@Estoph11 what about their hardness?

[@Estoph11]

@@FG_Remastered Great question. Not sure at the moment. I'd double check to see roughly what HP and hardness they are at. I think the interwar light tank with the suspension downgrade is still comparable but its been a long time since I checked.

[@chainz983]

Africa conquest as Liberia gogogo

[@chengzhou8711]

Step One: Invest in production cost Step Two: Profit

[@Augustus_Imperator]

mate, at 60% reliabilty half of the ones you produce don't even reach the front

[@CARL_093]

Finally mechnized Why no body try this

[@SoldierGeneral64]

Wait you can adjust mechanized with exp? Mind blown! Edit: You can reduce production cost!!! There isn't another unit in the game that allows that through exp.

[@-JA-]

😊👍

[@Kevin-cc8nq]

The title is a M16 not a 11A

[@PikaPilot]

dude come on, I noticed this like a week after NSB came out on a side note, the real exploit here is that Mechs don't get the same speed maluses that Mot get, so if you have tanks you need to prioritize getting mechs in them for faster mobility, ESPECIALLY FOREST motorized have a **-50%** speed in forest, mech have NO speed malus in forest also pure mech divisions are the best source of defense in the game. If you stack them on a choke point (like Singapore), it is impossible to break through except with CAS. Having heavy tanks (heavy cannon) may be the exception, but heavies don't work across rivers or in jungles

[@Daniel_Jones]

I think mech 1 should be a 38 tech

[@maheswarpradeep2816]

Thanks for ruining my mp strat Dave lmao

[@-John-Doe-]

Upgrade Mech cost.

[@xloppyschannel4881]

But won't too much hardness mean AT deals more damage?

[@ultru3525]

Only if they have more hard attack than soft attack, and I don't think that's even possible if you like your organisation to have more than one digit. Edit: even if it's possible, if most of their army is focussed on hard attack, they'd be easily overrun by the most basic of infantry, arty and cas.

[@ruukinen]

@@ultru3525 It is possible but requires something like TD divisions. Hard attack is much harder to come by than soft attack.

[@ghostlyninja125]

mech is easy to rush what?

[@goofy_goober8674]

Bulgaria will be even better

[@lucjanl1262]

Apologies for beeing nosy, but you don't have premolars?

[@FeedbackIRL]

I'm missing 1 on my bottoms. I have 3 others tho

[@DL-nn1ws]

Using commands, liberate Free City of Danzig and do a world conquest. *No matter how long it takes*

[@vixinitydbz]

Im early yeahhh!

[@hofnaerrchen]

LOL....once again a bloated video for an information a text could have handled in less than half a minute....

[@FeedbackIRL]

Unsub you're too smart for this content

[@andthe4010]

I honestly think this is pretty balanced, 100 military xp is hard as fuck to get and takes forever unless you're already at war.