Secret PRS Coil-Split Mod | Guitar Tech Tips | Ep. 67 | Thomann

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@mvyper
@mvyper Жыл бұрын
You can also put a potentiometer in between the coil and the ground so you can choose the amount of signal you're actually putting to ground.
@FerSpada
@FerSpada Жыл бұрын
NICE ONE
@cafesociety8525
@cafesociety8525 11 ай бұрын
Perfect use for a trim pot, can mount it in the cavity
@Manuel-Burnett
@Manuel-Burnett 9 ай бұрын
I'm interested in doing a trim pot in a tele for the neck humbucker. Any idea where I can find a wiring diagram for that?@@cafesociety8525
@middle_pickup
@middle_pickup 7 ай бұрын
A friend of mine did this in his Les Pual custom. Four push pull pots in total with the volume pots operating as switches for the coil splits, and the tone pots acting as the variable resistors when in the pulled position. It created some amazing sounds. Great for chimey Edge sort of tones into a Vox.
@emilong
@emilong 3 жыл бұрын
In case you want to compare the mod without the full humbucker in between: 2:26 before the mod 2:46 after the mod
@sing-519
@sing-519 2 жыл бұрын
Why does it sound the same to me?
@barneycarparts
@barneycarparts 2 жыл бұрын
to me a split humbucker is still quieter than a humbucker. The resistors help but still there is that vol diff. Ho do you fix that?
@bruhskifrfrnocapbussinmate
@bruhskifrfrnocapbussinmate 2 жыл бұрын
@@barneycarparts Use a higher value resistor (like 3.9k). It will also thicken up the tone and reduce noise, but it may lose too much of the single-coil flavor depending on the pickup so its something to play around with.
@scod3908
@scod3908 Жыл бұрын
@@barneycarparts try parallel wiring instead of splitting and see if that is to your taste
@pipotherium
@pipotherium Жыл бұрын
@@bruhskifrfrnocapbussinmate Agreed - Fralin recommends higher capacitors 7k? To me it sounds excessive but it probably makes sense for vintage voiced pickups where individual coils may be a bit weak.
@cironicholas526
@cironicholas526 3 жыл бұрын
The coil splits on my PRS S2 sound outrageously good and I assumed it was the pickups. Great to know, now, that this is an easy and cheap mod that can be done with any split-able humbucker! Thanks Kris!
@travismccartney
@travismccartney 3 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, but you could use a small through hole mount type pot to dial in just the right amount of resistance for a setup with both humbuckers on one split. That would save you from needing to solder in different options.
@MrShredarg
@MrShredarg 3 жыл бұрын
Cool, I prefer switch to parallel rather than split, sounds more straty yet hum-canceling🔥
@davidfaustino4476
@davidfaustino4476 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@rottalmusik6563
@rottalmusik6563 3 жыл бұрын
Me too😁
@MrSongwriter2
@MrSongwriter2 3 жыл бұрын
Agree. A hot rail sounds great in parallel
@cafesociety8525
@cafesociety8525 Жыл бұрын
Just add a 3 way on on on switch and you can have it all.
@ampersandmcvinegar5681
@ampersandmcvinegar5681 2 жыл бұрын
Dude. I did this and put a push/pull pot on my bridge with reverse phase wiring. Absolutely mental! Thank you so much!
@Waterinmenbenen
@Waterinmenbenen 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why the split sounds on my PRS McCarty are so much better than my other guitars. Thanks for sharing!
@josephhughes9490
@josephhughes9490 3 жыл бұрын
Kris, Absolutely love your tech shows even though I am way to terrified to mess around with my guitars. I learn a lot from you anyway. Always have Kris playing guitar time on the show. You are amazing.
@mghumphrey
@mghumphrey 2 ай бұрын
Just did this to my HB CST-24T which has Seymour Duncan Jazz/JB in it. I used 2.2K bridge, 1.2K neck. It made a huge difference - much more than I could hear in this video. Sounds great, and very similar to the way my PRS SE Swamp Ash Special sounds when I coil split it.
@donald-parker
@donald-parker 3 жыл бұрын
Cool idea! And easy enough to test with several different R values using some wires with clips on the end (which, BTW, are very handy to have in your kit at any time) before soldering tings in permanently.
@-davidolivares
@-davidolivares 2 жыл бұрын
So, you would clip both sides of the R to possible future solder points?
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
just use a variable resistor, a trim pot.
@joermnyc
@joermnyc 3 жыл бұрын
Cool mod, another reason for the issues is, the humbuckers usually use 500k pots on these, while single coils generally use 250k (unless it’s a Jazzmaster/jaguar which use 1M instead.) Running a single coil through the higher resistance pots thins out the tone and volume. I have an old Ibanez Jet King and I replaced the volume point with a 300k to kind of split the difference (it has separate switches for the split), it sounds much better.
@MikeTaffet
@MikeTaffet 3 жыл бұрын
you're half right. If you had it somehow switch to a 250k pot, the output would be darker because more high signal could go to ground, HOWEVER, the output would be even lower. The magic of the PRS mod is that it keeps the output closer in volume.
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
@@MikeTaffet lower ohm pots don't have less output
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip thanks. I'm currently in the middle of modding my HB35+ which I've had and loved for four years now. Locking Klusons and IronGear Blues Engine pickups; I'm looking for a bit of extra brightness over the original Wilkinsons. Converting to '50s tone wiring' and replacing the 47nf caps with 22nf. While I'm in there I'm going to add this coil-damper mod as well, now that I've heard the difference. 👍
@Gerhard468
@Gerhard468 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear how this turned out.
@vitaliistep
@vitaliistep 8 ай бұрын
That's a really nice mod, thank you very much, Chris!
@philcorcoran4970
@philcorcoran4970 3 жыл бұрын
I have a PRS and have wired the resistors in. It works OK, ish. My preferred way of wiring for coil split is leave one pickup wired this way via a push/pull pot, and as I never use the tone pot (always flat out) I've wired the other pickup so that the tone is a blend pot on it. On 10 the pickup is full humbucker and as I turn the pot down it slowly shorts one coil to earth. It allows me to dial in exactly the tone response I want. I use hot rail type pickups on my strats and have used the lower tone pots to do that for years on them. I replace the pots with push/pulls so I can also series/parallel the coils as well for that fatter sound.
@tanguydelooz2881
@tanguydelooz2881 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea !! If the volume is 500K : What value do you need for the blend pot ? Does it need to match the resistance of the Vol pot necessarily ?
@philcorcoran4970
@philcorcoran4970 2 жыл бұрын
@@tanguydelooz2881 as long as the pot is the at least the same resistance as the pickup it doesn't matter, it will just turn one coil off at a different point in its rotation. Basically, minimum 20k pot, but a lot easier to find a 250k. Hope that helps.
@tanguydelooz2881
@tanguydelooz2881 2 жыл бұрын
@@philcorcoran4970 Thanks for the reply !!
@felipousismix
@felipousismix 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip, worked like a charm. I wanted to do the coils split on my Ibanez S so using the Volume was the only option, thanks to your video the coil-split sound more full. Cheers!
@welfiblablabla
@welfiblablabla 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this really makes a difference! I recently saw an interview with Mick Thompson where he said he used to unbranch his tone knob because he didn't use it and he noticed a significant loss of output. Is there something to this (logic says yes) and if so a video how to rewire a guitar to cut out the toneknob would be intresting
@mihneazoican2479
@mihneazoican2479 3 жыл бұрын
Just cut the wire that connects the 2 pots. It’s not an integral part of the circuit, the signal will still go to the output. It’s also really easy to reinstall if you want to use it again
@welfiblablabla
@welfiblablabla 3 жыл бұрын
@@mihneazoican2479 oh didn't know it was this easy 😅
@mihneazoican2479
@mihneazoican2479 3 жыл бұрын
@@welfiblablabla in my experience, the tone pot doesn’t really suck out too much high end/output. If you don’t use it at all you may want to consider this, otherwise I’d just leave it in
@welfiblablabla
@welfiblablabla 3 жыл бұрын
@@mihneazoican2479 Ok, considering doing it on my old Ibanez that would benefit from the output gain, no matter how small. And never used it's tone knob in 10 years owning it.
@gabillos
@gabillos 3 жыл бұрын
You could also replace your tone knob with a No-load pot. What it does is that when you roll up your tone to the fullest, it "cuts" out the knob from the circuit. That way, when the tone is at 10 it is like it's not there. And then, when you roll it back, it's there again if you ever need it.
@deanallen927
@deanallen927 Жыл бұрын
Hey, we're over here! Quit looking over there! There's nobody there! LOL! The "after" sound of the tapped pickups is far superior than the old usual way, without a doubt. I'm putting that in my friend's PRS SE Standard 24, which I already had to fix and does not have that. Thanks!
@wesboundmusic
@wesboundmusic 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, makes a lot of difference, hadn't known this little resistor would have such an impact!
@InfoStatz
@InfoStatz Жыл бұрын
Chris, Great instructional video, as usual. I always enjoy dropping by and learning something new!. I have a PRS SE STANDARD SANTA. I swapped out the pickups for a PRS SE 85/15S set. I experimented and found that a 2.2k resistor on the neck PU was perfect. I leave the bridge PU with no resistor. Cheers!
@okimotdm
@okimotdm 3 жыл бұрын
I Did the mod on my Gibson deluxe les Paul today that had much higher value resistors. Sounds great. Definitely made them useable now. Thank you
@bluwng
@bluwng Жыл бұрын
That is great. Essentially it’s still a humbucker so I am guessing it can’t do a twangy single coil sound.
@rutiger6901
@rutiger6901 2 жыл бұрын
You have presented an idea here that I can hardly wait to implement. I pretty much gave up on coil splits for the reason you pointed out. Splitting is diminishing and therefore not a sensible mod. Says I. But you have influenced me to get busy and do it the RIGHT WAY. Thank you.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Have fun experimenting with different values. Cheers //Kris
@bluwng
@bluwng Жыл бұрын
Did you do it? In theory sounds good but it’s still a humbucker , I am assuming you can’t get the twangy sound of a single coil this way?
@countblue
@countblue 3 жыл бұрын
Correctly speaking this is a coil dampener. Which is, as a matter of fact, not at all a split. Hence it doesnt even get close to that single coil sound you might think of when you hear a tele,strat or a P90. Its nice because its a change in sound but thats about it. Also its not prone to hum at all, of course because its still just a humbucker with one very weak coil. I know it I have a PRS SE with that in it. However your video was on the spot and its good people know about this possibility.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Yes, that's why I was very careful calling this a coil-split at all in the video. Because it's not really a split anymore. I have to say though, I very much prefer this to a week and quiet traditional coil-split tone. Since I don't think any of the two wirings really sound like strats or teles, I'm only interested in it being usable and good sounding. Cheers //Kris*
@countblue
@countblue 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses True. I guess week=weak? ;-)
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses it kinda is. not perfect split, but it's a coil and a bit
@Williamwerenberg
@Williamwerenberg 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That’s a good improvement 👍 I’ll be doing that and then take the lesson that coil splits are not for me in the future 😊
@chitarrafaidate
@chitarrafaidate 3 жыл бұрын
That is great! I just ordered a 2.2 k resistor for a pedal and i got 5! I know what to do with it!
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Haha! Awesome! I love the spirit, have fun and let us know how it went. Cheers //Kris
@anggagrey
@anggagrey 3 жыл бұрын
yeah i try and the result is great , nice share thoman im found this method on forum and now this accesible
@high2407
@high2407 Жыл бұрын
Duuuuude this is the exact kinda thing I was looking for with my new cool guitar that just drops too much with the coil split to be useful in band context probably. Am definitely trying something like this soon
@sergeyv4908
@sergeyv4908 8 ай бұрын
On my guitars with humbuckers i am using parallel /series toggle for that. I do not like split coil tone at all - it has no that single benefits like a full and sparkling tone but has single coil penalties as noisy signal and big drop of volume. Parallel mode makes noiseless and chimy tone without big drop of volume and it's reduced signal level is suitable for clean and fuzz. For me it sounds way better than split coil.
@sylvestre.rawminey
@sylvestre.rawminey 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! Is it the same trick that Fender uses with their Double Tap humbucker ?
@tanguydelooz2881
@tanguydelooz2881 2 жыл бұрын
Or is it the same trick inside the Fender Noiseless Single Coils ?
@OneMomentFromForever
@OneMomentFromForever 3 жыл бұрын
One cool trick you can do is use a 10k trim pot instead of a resistor, then you can blend in how much of the second coil you want to use, instead of just the 1k and 2k resistors
@OneMomentFromForever
@OneMomentFromForever 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder as well if you could use a capacitor in series to prevent some of the bass frequencies from going to ground
@God-yb2cg
@God-yb2cg 2 жыл бұрын
@@OneMomentFromForever At that point add a programmable DSP IC to the guitar ;) Jokes aside, that sounds like a very clever idea, may use it.
@__Rob
@__Rob Жыл бұрын
I had been thinking of putting independent splits.for a Duncan sh2 and sh4 on so I could basically use the independent volume controls to dial in a.custom blend with a little bridge humbucker mixed with a single coil neck sh2 sound. Basically to get a slightly fuller single coil tone...with this mod I wonder if that is already accomplished because the other coil is only partially muted. I see you have only one volume pot anyway but hypothetically,.do you think it would be overkill to mix in a little bridge humbucker tone? Say, 7.5 volume on the split neck and 2.5 on the unsplit bridge or something similar?
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 4 ай бұрын
Interesting Mod. Does the PRS resistor method of splitting the coil retain the normal "hum-cancelling" property of a Humbucker, or is that compromised to any degree?
@jeffshuffle
@jeffshuffle 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't looked in the back of my Harley benton sc450 that came with coil splits... Im wondering if you guys had them made with the resistor already installed?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff, as told, this is more a PRS thing, the SC450 will not have a resistor built in. PRS is the only mainstream brand I know of, that uses this little trick. Luckily it's a simple and affordable mod, so if someone wants to do it, it's really not a big deal. :) Cheers //Kris
@jeffshuffle
@jeffshuffle 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks kris, Ill be giving it a go. On ebay buying the resistors now.. Cheers.
@guitarspeakpodcast1383
@guitarspeakpodcast1383 Жыл бұрын
Very cool :) I actually find the split in a DiMazio PAF Pro very usable, but I will definitely give this a try - thanks.
@patdalymusic
@patdalymusic Жыл бұрын
I wanted to go with a PAF Pro but ended up with a PAF Master, which also has a good split coil sound. I'm curious if you (or anyone reading) has ever compared the two pickups, Pro vs Master?
@caseylee12
@caseylee12 Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how PRS does that, now I know. I wish I'd seen this earlier... I'm gonna go try it. Thanks for the video!
@bluwng
@bluwng Жыл бұрын
Did you do it if so how did it go?
@caseylee12
@caseylee12 Жыл бұрын
@@bluwng haven't had time yet, got 3 other guitars going, but I'm gonna try it on a Brian Moore iM guitar (non Roland ready) with Seymour Duncans as soon as I catch up.
@relicguitar
@relicguitar 2 жыл бұрын
Why not making a video comparing this coil split with coils in parallel (another good noiseless option to get close to single coil tone). Happy new year!
@BunkerAudioPanama
@BunkerAudioPanama Жыл бұрын
It does take some low end off of the modded humbucker though.. thanks for sharing!
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
when the pot is pushed, the mod is out of the circuit
@warrennorton6519
@warrennorton6519 Жыл бұрын
Great Job! Love your channel! Question Will the resistors installed for the coil tap affect the tone of the full humbucker pickups?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Жыл бұрын
Thanks Warren! I haven't noticed any change in tone at all. Cheers //Kris
@Eliphas_Elric
@Eliphas_Elric 11 ай бұрын
No, the resistor is only the signal path when the push pull is activated, otherwise it's completely out of the circuit.
@changlee5179
@changlee5179 3 жыл бұрын
So the solution if you don't want to loose any volume is to not split or am I getting this wiring thing wrong?
@paolodn89
@paolodn89 2 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to put 2 different resistor in the same push pull? I mean to put one resistor in the ground pin of the neck pickup and another one in the other pin rather than only one resistor connected as a bridge between the 2 pin for both pickups.
@rodolfoamaralguitar
@rodolfoamaralguitar 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@mykewright1
@mykewright1 Жыл бұрын
Yes, just connect the resistors between the coil split wires and the switch or use a double-pole switch keeping the two paths separate. You can obviously vary the resistor values and for higher DC Resistance pickups you might choose proportionately higher resistor values. You could temporarily wire the coil split wire through a pot (ideally about 25K Ohm) that's wired to ground on the other lug and find the best split sound. Then measure the resistance of the pot at that setting and use a resistor (or group of resistors) equal or close to that measure value.
@rowbocaster
@rowbocaster 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the rich content. I'm always stopping by for info. Do you know if it's possible to do this on an older PRS Swamp Ash Special? It has a bridge and neck humbucker with a single coil in the middle. These older ones use a 3 way toggle (Gibson-like), 1 vol. 1 push-pull tone. I've never seen wiring quite like it. I think the middle pickup comes on when the push-pull is in the up position. I think the humbuckers get split simultaneously as well. It's a little unusual. It does suffer from volume loss when split.
@MauricioGarcia-mk5bz
@MauricioGarcia-mk5bz 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Kris! Ty!
@george.kollaros
@george.kollaros 3 жыл бұрын
Nice trick!!! So, for split-5 wiring (split in positions 2 and 4) you can solder the resistor between the 2-wire joint and the lug of the switch. But the sound might not be satisfactory because you'll have a partially split humbucker and a true single coil (middle)? Can anyone elaborate in this?
@j.a.s.1416
@j.a.s.1416 2 жыл бұрын
Hey George a little late to the party. Not sure exactly where your talking bout with placing the resistor. But I actually think the sound would be better if you had a vintage output humbucker let's say 7k-8.5k and you split the coil it would only be about 3.5k-4.25k and would sound very thin with a huge volume drop. So if your not Trulu grounding one cool you will get a higher output closer to a true single coil 5.5k-6.5K out of your humbucker and those split positions hopefully will sound Fuller instead of thinner and weak. Now if you had a high output humbucker you wouldn't need to do this mod unless you were running an HH setup and wanted a bit more fullness on your "split coils". I do wiring harness as a hobby and definitely would recommend this for most vintage output humbuckers. Some manufacturers put more/higher winds on the split coil of humbuckers so they retain output / volume so this is very pickup based. I hope this helps.
@thunderberg
@thunderberg 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet tip! I’ve got an epiphone LP custom pro and have always found it to sound bad at no matter which setting is used. I suspected it was those chintzy pots. Has anyone pulled out the push pull and put in quality cra or Bourns 500k pots? Was it worth the effort?
@astrologyambience240
@astrologyambience240 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Mod! Thank you
@CalebSingleton
@CalebSingleton 2 жыл бұрын
Love this!!! Thank you for posting this. Does it matter which pot I replace? Does it need to be the volume (I assume) or the tone pot? I got a Zach Myers model and I want to install the coil splits on it. Thank you!
@CalebSingleton
@CalebSingleton 2 жыл бұрын
@Till Steinbacher thank you!
@ipuya
@ipuya 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip! Cheers 🍻
@hymnsake
@hymnsake 3 жыл бұрын
Never thought of this, great work thank you!
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that mate, it's a fine little mod. Cheers //Kris
@rebelsoul777
@rebelsoul777 Жыл бұрын
Great, thanks for sharing this. 👍
@hearpalhere
@hearpalhere 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this Kris! I was interested in seeing the specifics of this mod and have a follow up question. By not sending the second coil fully to ground, is this configuration still hum cancelling? Just curious.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Pal, yes it is noise cancelling since it's not just one coil active if you split. Thanks for watching! :) //Kris
@hearpalhere
@hearpalhere 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Perfect, thanks for letting me know Kris!
@tanguydelooz2881
@tanguydelooz2881 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Do you know if a similar trick is used inside the Fender Noiseless Single Coils ? :)
@Erickchicas
@Erickchicas Жыл бұрын
Nice, does this also eliminates the hum from split coils??
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Жыл бұрын
It reduces the hum a bit, single both coils are (somewhat) active. It's not the same as a full humbucker, but less hum than a fully split coil. //Kris
@Erickchicas
@Erickchicas Жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Thank you very much, I'm gonna try it on my suhr.
@francescomarchisotti
@francescomarchisotti 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do an episode on splitting Humbuckers from start to finish? I want to split the pickups in my guitar and I'd like to see how you do it before I open it up and butcher something :)
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, we do have an episode on coil-splitting humbuckers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laGYnJ57nJJ-mpI Check out the playlist, we have covered many themes already. Cheers //Kris
@jmzdgrz841
@jmzdgrz841 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kris! Thank you very much for your vids! I apologize for the late question but could you help? On my PRS SE I've noticed that when splitting, the screw coil sounds much quieter so looks like it's grounds over resistor. In my mind, it should work exactly the opposite - the inner coil should be grounded. Am I wrong?
@kutneb
@kutneb Жыл бұрын
Did you consider that single coils usually have 250k pots?
@GoudVis56667
@GoudVis56667 3 жыл бұрын
This is great! Can someone explain that the value's work. Higher value = higher output?
@paulmeredith_
@paulmeredith_ 3 жыл бұрын
Higher value resistor = less current pass through to ground so more volume from split pickup
@itsfailix98
@itsfailix98 3 жыл бұрын
Is a coil split the same thing as a coil tap? If not, what's the difference?
@fen3184
@fen3184 3 жыл бұрын
Not the same. Very roughly explained? A coil split bleeds off one of the two coils to ground, leaving a weakened signal that's 'similar' in sound to a single coil. A coil tap is a specific type of coil winding where a tap wire exits the pickup at a chosen point in the winding, but the winding then continues until it reaches its final number of winds before exiting; allowing you to switch between the two different values.
@wcray3684
@wcray3684 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to get a diagram of the switch wiring? Not sure of the exact terminal etc!? Thanks!
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
We made a video on "how to coil-split a humbucker", check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laGYnJ57nJJ-mpI Hope this helps! //Kris
@rsaathoff
@rsaathoff Жыл бұрын
How do you use this mod in an hss strat. I particularly want the split tone in position #2 to get this set up. I'm not using a push pull pot but simply want this effect of the humbucker in position #2.
@orryfishburne5326
@orryfishburne5326 3 жыл бұрын
I really want to learn soldering. Start with something easy like making cables, then move up to guitar mods.
@KevinJones-lc6mu
@KevinJones-lc6mu 2 жыл бұрын
Hey how do I do this if I add a push/pull on the volume control for a prs ce 24 used the push/pull for bridge and make push/pull for volume and get 8 sounds instead of 6 where the front and back use the push/pull together Pastor Jones in Mississippi
@God-yb2cg
@God-yb2cg 2 жыл бұрын
Better yet would be a pot instead of a simple resistor, that way can easy smoothly between single and humbucker. The only problem is that drilling is required and will permanently devalue the instrument.
@teknical100
@teknical100 Жыл бұрын
Why not use a pot to fade out one of the coils? Then you could have an infinite amount of different 'resistors' in the circuit.
@kadirskadirs
@kadirskadirs 15 күн бұрын
thank you..👍🏼
@gjm1971
@gjm1971 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing tip Kris!!! Does a partial split retain some level of hum cancellation from the weakened coil?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, a little. It's still not gonna be far from being noiseless though. If that's what you want, try a series / parallel switching. That's completely hum bucking. Cheers //Kris
@gjm1971
@gjm1971 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Thanks Kris! 🙂
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses or use a capacitor suck that the cut-off is just above 60Hz instead of a resistor
@kattastrofe
@kattastrofe 3 ай бұрын
Does this also reduce hum?
@myhapylife
@myhapylife 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. How this works, the higher resistor value is the quieter that other single coil will be? (Single coil that we are trying to quiet down in a humbucker) Or other way around?
@mykewright1
@mykewright1 Жыл бұрын
Other way round, the higher the resistor value the louder the split coil will be, in other words less of its output is being shunted to ground.
@Funkfreed
@Funkfreed Жыл бұрын
besides PRS are there any other brands that does this?
@muhammaddzulfikrihaidlahai3204
@muhammaddzulfikrihaidlahai3204 Ай бұрын
Do you have wiring diagram for this mod?
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s say I had lots of room in my electronics cavity for a few switches and a 9 volt battery, could I replace my neck humbucker with a sustainiac pickup? Or are they bigger than a typical humbucker? ♾ sustain 🤘🏽. Frantically digging through resistors with a VOM looking for a 2.2k
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Dig deep Poo, I'm sure you'll find a 2.2k in a drawer. :D Sustainiacs have the same size as normal humbuckers so that's not an issue. ;) //Kris
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. B 🤘🏽 ooooh I’m a get me one , it may cost almost as much as the guitar I’m putting it in but that’s definitely my xmass preset to myself this year🤘🏽 Frantically googling sustainiacs
@yetimatzenightcat8702
@yetimatzenightcat8702 3 жыл бұрын
@@PooNinja 😄👍
@BlackLotus1220
@BlackLotus1220 Жыл бұрын
what does the resistors do???
@jamesmarkham7489
@jamesmarkham7489 3 жыл бұрын
You say guitars and BASSES each week but I haven’t seen some low end love in a while. Can we get some love on the bass?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Hey James, you are absolutely right!! We just recorded a few 100% bass episodes which will go online within the next couple of weeks. Cheers! //Kris
@valebliz
@valebliz 3 жыл бұрын
This one is really interesting
@pineapple8407
@pineapple8407 Жыл бұрын
Is this used on production Harley Benton models ?
@ChrisMillerdoubleplanet
@ChrisMillerdoubleplanet Жыл бұрын
I want to use a potentiometer to partial coil-split, so it will be variable the amount of the second coil. What would be the best value to you? Or ball park?
@mykewright1
@mykewright1 Жыл бұрын
Anything in the 10K Ohm to 25K Ohm range would be most usable.
@Steinstra-vj7wl
@Steinstra-vj7wl 2 жыл бұрын
The volume loss is still there...so are you sure this is the PRS trick? The new PRS Fiore has the humbuckers switch from series to parallel and that works very well: good single coil tone - still works a bucker so without the hum or volume loss.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 2 жыл бұрын
This is not the only wiring method PRS uses. This is just something they (also) started using on some of their guitars. Series / parrallel is also nice, even though you don't really get a single coil sound with that. It's more of a super clear sounding and narrower humbucker tone. Which is great, don't get me wrong. It's just a different tone compared to actual coil splitting. Cheers //Kris
@saarangnarayan123
@saarangnarayan123 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, guys! I do have a question though: How does one do this on an HSH with a 5-way where the Humbuckers are split in positions 2 and 4?
@george.kollaros
@george.kollaros 3 жыл бұрын
Unsolder the 2 wires connected together you use to split the pickup from the switch lug and solder the resistor between the 2 wire joint and the lug of the switch. But maybe you don't have a satisfactory sound because you'll have a partially split humbucker with a true single coil.
@LexTalinois
@LexTalinois Жыл бұрын
Why cant you do both resistors sharing one push/pull tone?
@AgataFeelin
@AgataFeelin 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kris, how would you go about wiring two PRS 57/08 humbuckers to a PRS Custom 24 (5 way rotary, no push-pull), that has been modified with 2 push-pull pots (to allow having both pickups ON or only the neck or bridge ON as either a humbucker or single/split)? Also, as far as I understand that would leave me with 2 non-used positions on the 5 way rotary switch, anything else I could try to make use of these positions? Thanks in advance
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment! I'm not a big fan of the rotary switch (had an old PRS and always took forever to find the right PU position on stage) so I'd replace it with a 3-way toggle. Even more so, now that you have the two push-pulls for the coil-split. BUT. Only if you can install a toggle switch, if you don't have to mod the guitar's routing. And of course keep the original rotary switch to be able to restore the guitar's original state at any point. If you want to stick to the rotary switch, you could do this: humbucker and coil-split tones with the rotary and series-parallel with the push-pulls. Or even in phase / out-of-phase with the push pulls. It's a little over the top, but you might find some really inspiring tones there. Cheers //Kris
@schmoemi3386
@schmoemi3386 Жыл бұрын
PRS itself doesn't use rotary switches any more, so probably they weren't so convinced either... 😅
@nwilt7114
@nwilt7114 Жыл бұрын
Does the resister effect the humbucker's output when it is in series? The humbucker in series after adding the resister seemed a little quieter.
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
no, when the switch is not pull, the resistor is not in the circuit
@danielbluez
@danielbluez 3 жыл бұрын
I've added added a variable Coil split. Les Paul hb, master tone and you get a free pot
@labradoodlzz5698
@labradoodlzz5698 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question : doesnt the resistance cause the whole wiring to heat up or is the power that it generates too weak to cause any damage?
@dt9r
@dt9r 3 жыл бұрын
No worry, there's no danger
@valebliz
@valebliz 3 жыл бұрын
Man it's millivolts, the amount of energy produced by pickups is next to zero.
@strange_jason
@strange_jason 2 жыл бұрын
So basically just solder the resistor in where the push pull goes to ground instead of a wire?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's that simple. Just have to find the right resistor value for your guitar. Cheers //Kris
@Nechastivi
@Nechastivi Жыл бұрын
Hi, i tried this with my new Roswell LAF pickups and it works flawlessly, but i got another problem. When the pickups are split i get the hum with switch in middle positon, is there any way to solve this?
@Nechastivi
@Nechastivi Жыл бұрын
Guitar is Harley Benton SC500 with two push-pull pots in place of Tone potentiometers.
@jcugnoni
@jcugnoni 3 жыл бұрын
This is GREAT!!
@123Ir0nman
@123Ir0nman 3 жыл бұрын
Off to my local electronic components store for parts
@teknical100
@teknical100 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@boomerbassmeme
@boomerbassmeme 3 жыл бұрын
You clever lad! Awesome! 😎👍
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! It's not my trick though, I'm just showing it. Haha //Kris
@JOOODYJOOODY
@JOOODYJOOODY 8 ай бұрын
its fine if you dont mind signal losss
@fredericadda
@fredericadda 3 жыл бұрын
Wow amazing 🤩
@dt9r
@dt9r 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@steveweilhart2359
@steveweilhart2359 3 жыл бұрын
subtle but effective
@johnb.wessels2115
@johnb.wessels2115 2 жыл бұрын
can this also be done with a bass guitar with 2 humbuckers?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 2 жыл бұрын
If the humbuckers split and you don't want to loose output, then absolutely yes. Cheers //Kris
@johnb.wessels2115
@johnb.wessels2115 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks for the answer. I was thinking, would a series /parallel switch do the same job?
@Fredgomes431
@Fredgomes431 5 ай бұрын
Does it work if I use 2 470k resistors @thomann's?
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 5 ай бұрын
Hi, that value is very far from what works for this coil-split trick unfortunately. Try to stick to the values mentioned in the video. You can find these resistors online or in electronic shops and they are really not expensive. Cheers //Kris
@martgryfny
@martgryfny 2 жыл бұрын
that's good!
@BetonBenni
@BetonBenni Жыл бұрын
Does this affect the unsplitted tone of the humbucker?
@ClaudioMartella
@ClaudioMartella Жыл бұрын
no, when the pot is pushed the mod is out of the circuit
@BetonBenni
@BetonBenni Жыл бұрын
@@ClaudioMartella thanks :)
@LeMans512
@LeMans512 Жыл бұрын
500 or 250k pot?
@riddickbass989
@riddickbass989 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏🙏
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you too for the comment! :) //Kris
@jbognap
@jbognap 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. On thing to share: notice that a 24 fret double humbucker will always have a more "strat quack" in the middle position, with one or both pickups split, compared to a 22 fret guitar. This is because on a 24 fret guitar, the pickups are closer to each other. Let's keep this to ourselves 😄
@mykewright1
@mykewright1 Жыл бұрын
If the coil nearest the neck is the live one when split, rotating the pickup will also help get more quack. It shouldn't have any major impact while in full humbucker mode unless you've adjusted the pole piece heights and you only have adjustable ones on that coil.
@AntonioCavicchioni
@AntonioCavicchioni 3 жыл бұрын
A diagram and a less faster take on how to do it would help to better understand what you did.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have a diagram but I do have an episode about coil-splitting humbuckers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laGYnJ57nJJ-mpI Hope that helps. Cheers //Kris
@jaypaduadesigns
@jaypaduadesigns 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing with my non prs guitars :)
@davidrangel8783
@davidrangel8783 2 жыл бұрын
F*ck, why didn't I think it before? Great video, dude!!!
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