Sect in Astrology: Day vs. Night Birth Charts

In episode 274 of the podcast Chris Brennan gives a detailed overview of the concept of sect in astrology, which is the difference between day and night birth charts.
Sect is a fundamental concept that was used in Hellenistic astrology, but it has only been recovered by contemporary astrologers over the past 30 years through translations of ancient texts.
The purpose of this talk is to give a broad introduction to sect, first by establishing how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology, and then to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:26 Day and night
00:05:09 Sect definition
00:06:45 Diurnal and nocturnal teams
00:07:57 Sect as foundational concept
00:09:43 Domicile scheme
00:12:37 Aspects
00:14:20 Exalations
00:15:05 Exaltations, sect, and aspects
00:16:59 Planetary joys
00:22:58 Triplicity rulers
00:24:14 Lot of Fortune
00:25:56 Master of the Nativity
00:28:24 Annual profections and sect
00:30:24 Important and pervasive concept
00:33:33 How to tell if chart is day or not
00:41:02 Twilight
00:42:59 George Lucas' chart
00:46:32 Barack Obama's chart
00:48:35 Using sect in practice
00:50:05 Benefics and malefics
00:53:43 Sect alters the mood of the planets
00:57:25 Most positive and negative planet
01:02:49 House placement of positive and negative planets
01:19:12 Example night chart
01:29:36 Ernest Hemingway's chart
01:33:02 Example day chart
01:36:04 Johnny Depp's chart
01:39:40 Lisa Marie Presley's chart
01:42:34 Maurizio Gucci's chart
01:44:11 Elliott Smith's chart
01:46:55 Britney Spears' chart
01:52:30 Planets ruling the ascendant
01:55:24 Alan White's chart
01:59:54 Ted Kennedy's chart
02:04:08 Michael J. Fox's chart
02:10:00 Benefic and malefic in same sign
02:10:41 Kurb Cobain's chart
02:16:00 Christopher Reeve's chart
02:19:25 Philippe Pozzo Di Borgo's chart
02:24:07 Mitigating factors
02:27:28 Rejoicing conditions
02:33:24 Aretha Franklin's chart
02:39:54 Chart of a doctor
02:41:55 Other ways sect is useful
02:51:27 Concluding remarks

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Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:26 Day and night 00:05:09 Sect definition 00:06:45 Diurnal and nocturnal teams 00:07:57 Sect as foundational concept 00:09:43 Domicile scheme 00:12:37 Aspects 00:14:20 Exalations 00:15:05 Exaltations, sect, and aspects 00:16:59 Planetary joys 00:22:58 Triplicity rulers 00:24:14 Lot of Fortune 00:25:56 Master of the Nativity 00:28:24 Annual profections and sect 00:30:24 Important and pervasive concept 00:33:33 How to tell if chart is day or not 00:41:02 Twilight 00:42:59 George Lucas' chart 00:46:32 Barack Obama's chart 00:48:35 Using sect in practice 00:50:05 Benefics and malefics 00:53:43 Sect alters the mood of the planets 00:57:25 Most positive and negative planet 01:02:49 House placement of positive and negative planets 01:19:12 Example night chart 01:29:36 Ernest Hemingway's chart 01:33:02 Example day chart 01:36:04 Johnny Depp's chart 01:39:40 Lisa Marie Presley's chart 01:42:34 Maurizio Gucci's chart 01:44:11 Elliott Smith's chart 01:46:55 Britney Spears' chart 01:52:30 Planets ruling the ascendant 01:55:24 Alan White's chart 01:59:54 Ted Kennedy's chart 02:04:08 Michael J. Fox's chart 02:10:00 Benefic and malefic in same sign 02:10:41 Kurb Cobain's chart 02:16:00 Christopher Reeve's chart 02:19:25 Philippe Pozzo Di Borgo's chart 02:24:07 Mitigating factors 02:27:28 Rejoicing conditions 02:33:24 Aretha Franklin's chart 02:39:54 Chart of a doctor 02:41:55 Other ways sect is useful 02:51:27 Concluding remarks

[@PageTurnersWithKatja]

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[@NinaHProductions1]

Why are there no house lcoations in your chart?

[@Hermesvenus09]

Chris, this is an excellent lecture and helped me truly understand sect for the first time. It was long and worth every minute. Thank you so much! ✨

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

Let me know how sect works out in your chart in the comments section below!

[@TeoAstro]

How can we interpret Peregrine planets, can you do a video about it? Thank you.

[@lisaparis684]

My Scorpio Moon in the 12th has been terrorizing me my entire life. But it is "in hayz", so things work out in the end. 😊

[@cataacevedo2645]

Day chart, retro Jupi in the 2nd. I've never had a lot of money but I lose my jobs only when I have savings. Thanks Chris. I got your book from Chili.

[@Natalia_Belenkaya]

Just wondering, in case of the oikodespotes being the ascendant ruler, and the chart being a night chart in general where both luminaries are weakened, does it still retain the sect benefic/malefic qualities?

[@svemory]

I may be forever on the fence re: whole sign houses, though I certainly recognize the truth there. My ascendant is the 29th degree, and events/transits playing out in time absolutely configure more for quadrant houses... But one sect observation: Night Chart: I've got Moon in Pisces in 6th (quadrant) sextile Mars in Capricorn in 4th, which I can see helps the Moon... have had health issues for much of my life, yet also an inherent strength and -- absolute warrior thing going on that mitigates that... A resilience. BUT -- to argue FOR whole sign in terms of sect, for sure Saturn in whole-sign 4th (night chart) and definitely 4th house matters have been a focus for the most challenging stuff. Fascinating. THANK YOU so much for these; an invaluable service, so very appreciated. Truly.

[@junemoon8675]

A few slides that might help: 58:00 1:00:00 34:38 2:28:58 2:33:15

[@helenamaal]

You are a great teacher Chris, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. The doctrine of sect completely changed everything I thought I knew about astrology. Great presentation! I love your Hellenistic Astrology course. I've listened to your lectures over and over. I actually enjoy your in depth and lengthy lectures, must be a Scorpio thing :) To anyone thinking about it, don't hesitate and sign up for Chris' course. It's excellent.

[@HauntedCerebralAstrology]

This is an extremely important Podcast, so fundamental and essential! Thank you, Chris, for sharing your wisdom with the astrological community so freely and openly. Your service is beyond appreciated! x HC

[@brittanymcnair8238]

Just ordered your book on line. About time!! Mooching on all your videos made me hungry for more. Thanks for all your time and energy educating and building the astrology community for free. 💜🙏🏾

[@Natalia-hf3et]

I'm back again, Chris. Your podcasts are thoroughly informative and I love that this one is more than 3 hours. Taking the time to explain things in detail is allowing me to learn so much from you.

[@carolynpena857]

This was an immensely helpful episode, Chris. Watching this lecture gave so much more clarity and has helped me better understand how to read and interpret my birth chart. I look forward to the next video! Thank you!

[@danyshudler9090]

Still watching but really loved your advice for starting astrologers to go outside and observe the sunrise and sunset which is so important since traditionally astrology’s observational practice was a key to understanding the art and science of this beautiful subject and sadly got neglected over the past century with technological innovations.

[@jenbrown1078]

This was alllll kinds of awesome!! Glad I came across this gem. Thanks Chris!

[@fangsofmay]

Thank you, Chris! The Alan White episode was great! He was definitely a character 💖. Just received your book. Can't wait to dive in! 💫

[@blesseddanzy8552]

You know that was one of my fav episodes! Don’t you know he was a hoot to be around!

[@fangsofmay]

@@blesseddanzy8552 Awww I'm sure he was!

[@karenpertot5101]

Thanks Chris, thoroughly enjoyed your lecture. It is just what I needed to give me a lead back into your course after having a couple of months off from study due to moving.

[@lesliechapman1173]

This lecture was awesome. Full of great information. Thanks Chris.

[@80islandia]

Thanks so much for this clear, well-organized, detailed lecture on sect. The practice examples were extremely helpful for learning how to identify the most important elements of a day/night chart at a glance. I had a passing knowledge of sect before but had some of the common confusions you identified and clarified. I was born on a winter evening with the Sun hovering less than a degree above the Descendent, so I especially liked hearing your thoughts on the day/night chart "margins"... will now go back in time to review significant events and see whether Mars and Jupiter have indeed had the strongest malefic/benefic impact on my life. Appreciate all you do to help us, Chris :)

[@BecJo]

Another fantastic episode Chris! I appreciate your comments how SECT compliments many of the modern techniques, especially with transits. Can totally relate. I have a day chart with Jupiter in the 12th so I eat Astrology for breakfast and with Mars in the 9th has caused a few hiccups when travelling overseas and also it took me forever to complete my BA in Psych. I am studying a post grad now and I get so easily distracted and very unproductive with this Mars retrograde! One awesome podcast uploaded by the Astrology Podcast and damn there goes another 3 hours! LOL ;-)

[@thefashionskunk]

THIS was so informative. Thank you ,Chris ! I learned so much watching this lecture. 😊

[@masondenny9000]

Thank you for clearing up the decedent of Kurt. This is excellent review material of your book. It is clearing up so many of my questions. I just finished your book and I have been going back using the appendix to relearn material. You are giving away priceless info here in which showing your genuine character to help others at what ever cost. I am so grateful. Because of your podcast and book I have excelled my astrology in one year beyond anything I could imagine. I can’t wait to take your course. Night chart. Libra rising. Gratefull for my benefic - Exalted Venus is the in pisces(6 house of illness, injuries) saving me from a rupture in my aneurysm. Malefic retrograde Saturn(detriment) in Leo(11th house of friends, hope) exchanging with sun in Capricorn in copresense with mercury and exalted mars(4th house of parents, home). Not sure if there is mutual reception with Saturn and the sun because of aversion. Need to look more into the qualifications for mutual reception. I have had a rocky passive aggressive life with parents but things are getting better. Also have friends that are disrespectful but close like family. So cool and on point. I still want to try master of nativity starting from my nocturnal moon. And have so much to learn.

[@andreav2125]

I've just started learning about sect and found this incredibly helpful! Thanks, Chris. I have the book on order, can't wait to dive into it.

[@madeleinem.8313]

Excellent astrology lesson! It answered so many questions I had about my chart... Thank you very much for your work! :)

[@Xhayl]

Chris, this was amazing! Thank you so much for the content

[@sheilac.5935]

Thank you Chris! This was incredibly educational and well presented.

[@ilcapitanoalexandr8698]

With more and more time I appreciate your work even more, your work it's quality, simply terrific. Well structured, good information, straight forward. Your material presentation it's objective and that's much better because usually it isn't based on an opinion or feeling but simply a fact. Personally I'm not a person of "what you're feeling, what you believe" that's rubbish. You answer where does that Ideology comes from and why it is that way. Congrats Chris, you and Vic diCara are the people that I found reliable when it comes to quality and well structured information. If you got other people to look for that are reliable as well, please let me know. I support quality, so do I support you Chris. Regards

[@lindag3650]

I know this may not be read by Chris, but I just ordered his book from EBay & it should arrive in a few days. I am so excited!!!

[@Gleeb1776]

Nicely done, worth rewatching. Since you asked for personal experiences -- mine is a Night chart, retrograde Saturn in 1st degree of Capricorn, 6th house, trine Pluto in the 2nd: studious, nerdy youth, worked almost every day of my life, have taken on lots of responsibilities and debts, never a "party animal," will probably never "retire." Saturn is more maleficent than malefic, sometimes. Not that I cannot be lazy, too -- my Uranus in the Leonine 1st is in utter rebellion! Back to work now!

[@CarpeDiemTravelerMel]

I absolutely enjoyed and appreciate this lecture. It was very insightful and full of great information. Thank you so much!

[@jeniwood9927]

One of my favorite episodes of yours is the one with Alan White. I thought he was funny 😄a good teacher and someone I would have loved to have had a lecture from

[@TheNasogastrictube]

Thank you so very much for this, it is so fundamental it's amazing we are not normally taught this ! This blew my mind, shows what an elegant, symmetrical and fabulous art astrology is! I was glued to this, and said 'Wow' so many times! Am definitely going to buy your book! Wonderful exciting info, thank you so much for sharing, you rule!!

[@KaikalaMoon]

Wow Chris. First though, I saw in recommendations; 3hrs and I was like 'great day', but man did I sit it out from the beginning. Started over after falling asleep on it last night. This was exciting (the joys), interesting (sects), and I learned so much in one podcast. Also like live format, open to questions. Thank you!

[@VJ_7137]

Great session....thank you 🙏 for clarifying the rejoicing conditions👍🙏 great examples 🎉

[@10whitelilith10]

I am very grateful for this free lesson. Thank you very much for your time and knowledge 🙏🏻✨💫

[@SugasugaSnap]

Hi Chris, loving this lecture. thank you !

[@jalynluis6394]

Love your interpretations. You are an excellent instructor.

[@denzelpugh7187]

I definitely appreciate this! Helped me understand how to interpret/understand my chart with the most pos and neg planet in the 4th house in a night chart...the spectrum helped me alot! Thanks Chris

[@princessedelarue1989]

Great episode, thanks so much Chris :)

[@Lieve_Saillart]

Hello Chris, great podcast, thank you

[@DebbieKittnerJohnson]

I just finished listening to this lecture a second time. As a student of Acyuta-Bhava Das, I was prompted by him to do so and it was so worth it. Chris is an outstanding teacher.

[@BigDaddyHugz47]

Adam and Chris are responsible for 90% of my Astro knowledge. May the Gods richly bless them for their amazing work

[@cristinib7458]

Thank You so much for all that you share! You are a gift. I am learning so much from you!

[@AlanaJ_888]

Your videos are so awesome! Can’t afford to go to an astrologer so I’m trying to teach myself, and thinking about it as a career. Thank you for posting these videos, they are so helpful! 🙏💚☮️✨

[@rainydayinsomnia]

thank you for the informative lecture! i've always had a pretty good time with mars transits without really knowing why since it's not particularly dignified in my chart, but now i know it's having a night chart that contributes this 😁

[@VJ_7137]

Great examples 👍 beautifully presented 🙏

[@sono869]

i just want to come on here and say thank you for sharing your knowledge in the way that you do. the way your podcast has changed my life, my choices, my career and my astrology can not be put into words!

[@maellesolaya2057]

Thank you Chris, this is soooo insightful ! To your reflection about the Sun being a few degrees under the ascendant but still considered as a day chart because there is already daylight at that time : Maybe the orb changes according to where the person is born ? Because the closer we are to the equator, the faster day comes and goes. Just a though while listening to you. Thank you for this amazing work !

[@dawndeeearven1616]

Thanks for sharing your advices thoughts and for the educational aspects 💓🌈🍀

[@AmiyaD1611]

Thank You Chris! This was very helpful. My Asc is 24 of Scorpio with my Sun in Scorpio at 23 degree just above my ascendant, making my chart a day chart. Even tough my natal mars is exalted in capricorn, last year when we had the long mars in aries period, with it‘s retrograde it completely crushed me. It was transiting my 6H and even though I have been struggling with anxiety for a few years this time it just blew it out of proportion and made it worse then it ever was in my life. I became very sick during this period and surprise surprise, when it exited out of aries, it was over almost like some sort of weird magic trick. It also made so much sense why I never had SUCH a hard time with Saturn transits. Like yes they are not the most pleasant ones, but at the end of the day I always loved Saturns tough love and always felt like I was protected through everything I was going through during Saturn transits until now. And Jupiter in 4 House yup makes total sense, I always appreciated my harmonious family life, and all the philosophies and ways I grew up. Also growing up and having a home in Switzerland is definitely a lucky place to live. Again thank you Chris, everything makes a lot more sense now! I can‘t believe sect is still not a big thing in modern astrology as it is such a important chart factor. During my Aquarius Jupiter Return this year I actually got into Ancient Astrology and is was the best thing that has happened so far in my Astrology Journey

[@WakingDreamCurrents]

Thank you so much! Learning a lot about my Night chart Mars and Cancer stellium.

[@astraeusgodofthestars676]

This is soooo informative. Thank you so much. ✨✨✨✨

[@carolrosim2239]

Thank you, Chris. Very helpful!

[@Leeyujhen6]

You're damn right! Sect is really important to identify the strongest and the dangerous of the chart and to weigh the balance of the native life.

[@eveosiris3039]

So happy to have found you

[@PendragonTarot]

Thank you for clearing this up. My sun is at 19 Sag and ascendant is at 20 gemini so I felt this was helpful

[@ealtan]

Hello Chris, this was again an extremely well prepared and presented lecture, my appreciations for your time, energy and will to share. In my chart, which is a night chart with Sun in Aries, below DSC in 7th House, actually, Venus rx and Saturn are also in conjunction in the 7th WS House. :) Both in Aries. The lesser malefic Mars is in Sagittarius in the 3rd House and the ASC is Libra, Jupiter rx is in the 1st House too. And it demonstrated itself as exactly as you stated. I always had an interesting charm to find partners but I divorced twice and now I am in my third long term relationship, we've been living together for 7 years, no plan to get married and quite happy. My Mars always kind of pushed me for learning, it is as though I can not get enough of it.

[@VJ_7137]

Great session Chris 🔥🎉🙏👍

[@ailishfarragher5994]

Mars in Scorpio in 1st in a night chart (shortly after I was born, my father was imprisoned for anti-State activities/4th House Aquarius) makes Saturn in Gemini in the 8th, opposing Sag Sun in 2nd, the out of Sect Malefic. My first Saturn return coincided with the death of my mother and, consequently, I inherited some money (2nd-8th). Venus in Scorpio in 1st in a night chart - I've had extremes of good and bad in romance (foreigners and men who live abroad). I have had luck - Jupiter in Capricorn in 3rd may be in its Fall but I won a scholarship (other people's money, Saturn ruling 3rd House Cap), through my high school, to college which changed my life - my sister also won the same scholarship #siblings :)

[@edwardharvey5839]

I can't thank you enough for doing this video. May God Bless you.

[@Kay-rp1fz]

Fascinating and deeply informative, thank you for this Chris! I had a question about the recent ending of daylight savings time in the U.S. Looking at the chart of the moment, I see that I now get up with a new ascendant each morning, and all my regularly scheduled activities are also happening with new ascendants throughout the day. Does this have an affect on the way our day feels? Will the effect differ with day or night charts?

[@nickischneider6771]

Chris Do you have a beginning on line course I can sign up for ? I resonate with your teaching style and have been looking forever for a teacher that I feel I can learn under . Great video again.

[@andreealovinoficial]

Hi, Chris! Thank you for your free lesson. I'm from Romania. I have a question about exaltations. Have you ever researched hermetic astrology? My mentor in astrology, who is also a great astrology teacher and researcher, discovered hermetic astrology and it seems that hermetics had other ideas about exaltation. These are: Venus in Cancer in exaltation (not Pisces), Venus in Capricorn in fall (not Virgo), Jupiter in exaltation and domicile in Sagittarius (not Cancer), In fall and exile in Gemini (not Capricorn). I hope that my mentor will make the research public, it seems to me that the hermetic version makes a lot of sense. He spoke and demonstrated how this version would be the correct one, maybe he will do the demonstration also in english. About the Planetary Joys, for Mercury it's more simple to explain that in the first house he is in the the house of the head, as body part, so it's very logical for this planet to be happy. Mercury governs thinking and is happy in the head.

[@marilynzeinel-abidin1027]

This presentation is So Good and Si Thorough. Thank you!!!!!! I feel like Saturn is positive and prominent in your chart. Would love to know!

[@galacticrosepriestess]

So interesting! Thank you, Chris! I appreciate all that you share with us!

[@tiktik7608]

As a newbie traditional asrologer thank you so much for the free lecture

[@guloguloguy]

Thanks, for all of this INTERESTING, and complex information!!! Perhaps you could explain how these "signs, and "celestial bodies" move?!... how is this best understood, when looking at these circular charts??!!... Explain all of the "rotational movements", and "rates" of movements, and, so forth.... How do you "Start" analyzing such a "chart"??!!...

[@unforeseenawakening7029]

@ 1:36 ~ There is so much more that we know with Johnny Depp's 2nd house mars now, so interesting. BTW, your teaching is excellent. You explained this technique better than the actual class that I'm taking. I need to take your class 😀

[@MaaarSmiler]

This is excellent! Thank you

[@TheScalesWillPrevail]

Thank you for this knowledge, very informative…

[@capablecareers]

This was excellent! More like this :D

[@jem2250]

I have a day chart and even though Saturn is the lesser malefic, his condition is not as good as Mars, who is in Saturn's sign and exalted there. So I actually feel that Saturn is in some ways harder for me. However, goal setting has never been a problem for me and when I read charts for night sect folks they do agree that Saturn is more of a challenge for this reason alone - always changing the goal post etc.

[@miriamborne2469]

Thank you ~ you are so clear and illuminating 🙏💚💫🌎👌

[@cynthiaswan6498]

very informative! thank you!

[@johnnyb357]

Amazing video!

[@malcolmmacqueen2340]

Excellent quality lecture

[@lynnroots7556]

I’m very confused Yet inspired to persevere Chris 💕L March 9th 2022 Thank you 🧚🏻‍♀️

[@SarahOpossum]

My DS is in the 3rd degree in Gemini, and my sun is in the 2nd degree, this should mean my chart is ruled by the moon. But the official sunset time on the day I was born is five minutes after I was born, which would mean that my chart is ruled by the sun. So I'm so relieved that you included the segment about twilight charts! I wonder if looking up the calculated sunrise/sunset time for other super close charts might shed some light on this discrepancy ❤

[@eagillum]

I think this applies to how you read the D2 and D4 charts in vedic astrology. I could never figure out which chart I had, ie. if it was ruled by the sun or the moon. The D2 chart is your ability to meet your financial basics, and your D4 is your capacity to achieve wealth.

[@rcwalls2010]

Excellent presentation! This technique explains much in my own chart and others. Thank you! Would be interested to know if day people with day people....and night people with night people....typically do better together in relationships (parent/child, marriage, boss/employee, friendship)? Do you see a lot of relationships where one is a day and the other a night? As I look back on my own experience, the troubled relationships I have are where the person is the opposite sect from me (I am day and they are night).

[@webmamma5000]

Thank you for taking the time to fully explore birth times near the ASC and DSC. It has been a great worry of mine, especially since it so greatly affects the interpretation of the chart. Big Question: What does "acting like" a Day Chart mean? (Sigh)

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

Acting like a day chart would involve Jupiter being the most benefic planet and Mars more malefic, whereas when I say acting like a night chart it would involve Venus being the most benefic and Saturn the most malefic.

[@deadmeatdec2164]

Recently got into astrology. This group is my go to source for knowledge on this subject. Appreciate the care and knowledge imparted in these. Thank you three very much In regards to whether or not a chart is day or night when the sun is within a few degrees of ascendant would Jupiter and its placement not sway the chart one way or the other?

[@livinginparallel]

Was so hoping to read an answer😭

[@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL]

night chart. Venus and Saturn in square. fwiw all my benefic + malefic planets are in difficult sign placements. When I began studying astrology 30 years ago, i recall feeling as if a multitude of very complicated, nearly incomprehensible internal conflicts began to resolve.

[@ezekieldavidlarosa32]

Hi Chris, great presentation! A couple questions as to how to interpret a planet when sect contradicts rulership and fall. Example: In a night chart with Mars the lesser malefic in it's fall in Libra and Saturn the greater malefic in it's rulership in Capricorn, would Saturn still be the more difficult malefic? Also in a night chart with Leo rising and Sun being the chart ruler, would the Moon still in this instance be a more powerful planet?

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

In my experience sect is primary in describing where a planet falls on the benefic-malefic spectrum, and essential dignity then acts like a secondary mitigating factor that can modify that. So in your example Saturn would still be the most difficult planets in the chart because it is a night chart, although it would have some mitigation so that it is not worst case scenario because it is in its own sign. With respect to your second question, that is kind of complicated because both luminaries would end up being important in describing your personality, with the Moon as your sect light and Sun as your Ascendant ruler. I'm not sure that I could say that one is more powerful than the other in that instance, but they both just have slightly different roles to play.

[@ezekieldavidlarosa32]

@@TheAstrologyPodcast That's helpful, thank you.

[@kalinaperez8503]

In my humble opinion sect is one of the biggest losses of modern astrology. Is it just me or have you guys also noticed that for example Saturn Return tends to be harder for nicht charts?

[@James_7y]

May joy shine upon your path.

[@EarthAstroGirl]

Venus in Taurus today. Good for JD! 28 degrees 10th house. Kismet

[@avivTarot]

Hi Chris, this is super interesting. I do have a question about relocation chart. Say if your natal chart is a day chart, but your relocation chart becomes a night chart, so then do you go by the natal chart still, and use the day benefic and malefic planets for the relocation chart or would you go with the benefic and malefic planets of the relocation chart which became a night chart?

[@loljsejeekrkrke5042]

For annual profections from sect light, since i have to use the sect light as the 1st house, do i have to use it that way overall? e.g. someone with a sag sect light in a 10h profection, 10h would be Virgo for a sag asc, do i have to look at mercurys transits in the sect light chart or natal chart?

[@isanderfreiman2110]

Delineating profections by sect light as an alternative to the ascendant sounds really interesting. I hope there will be a podcast on this one day - I have questions! :D (F ex do the houses keep their original qualities or will the second from the sun just be the second house, even if its f ex the 7th from the ASC?)

[@blesseddanzy8552]

Yes this sounds interesting 🤔

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

The houses keep their original significations. I do go into profections from the sect light a little more in the lecture on profections in my Hellenistic astrology course.

[@felicehappy]

Regarding the question about Michael J. Fox's Moon in Taurus ruling 6th house which would make you think he had great health but Saturn is squaring that beautiful Moon and is in its sign of detriment (Capricorn). Also to be noted his amazing Venus in Taurus in a night chart in the house of family conjuct his Moon - he has a very happy marriage and a wife he credits with helping him cope with his health issues.

[@metheiam5714]

I think i read from some astrology book that the Sun's diameter (or was it even perhaps radius?) is about 3° of the chart space, so even if it's marked to be 1° below the horizon, it should still be visible.

[@Cmrntylr]

Oddly, I had this episode started then wondered about something and then it was touched on.. I was beginning to wonder about sect impacts on signs and it eventually reached that sort of. Just in the sense of.. I have a day chart Aquarius moon wondering if there may be a difference between a day chart Aquarius and night which would kind of make sense there would be maybe mild changes but not severe in terms of house rulership. Not like a drastic difference with humanitarian to fascist dictatorship. 😜 One wondered with that specific related to listening to spotlights on Saturn related to the signs Capricorn and Aquarius. There was enough touched on to get a general idea with ascendant rulers. 👍 Started the Pluto episode, glad I took a break because I’m going to have SO much fun with that one. I had a comment with the astro-magic; I’ve enjoyed the planet series because it helps internally hone in on natal placements to actually feel that energy which is great for musical playlists. Well.. honing in on mars “magic wise” intensely may have inadvertently caused things which is most likely the LoS and nemesis lots. This deep dive, it’s very possible what I was specifically looking for in astrology is lots. A very minor episode on the lesser known lots would be awesome because it may be why I buy your book or why I’d break and actually study astrology. For humor, every myth Tarnas listed so far in the Pluto episode are personal favorites so completing that episode should be quite fantastic.

[@voxrationalis]

Question: my sect benefic is Venus in Libra below the horizon in the 4th, and I have Jupiter in Pisces culminating and trining my ascendant, and he's the final dispositor to my chart ruler (the moon). Venus and Jupiter are antiscia to eachother. Does it make any difference to their power that Venus is in her diurnal home and Jupiter is in his nocturnal home? Subjectively I notice Jupiter more in my life than Venus, despite his being out of sect and even retrograde. I'm wondering if there are more considerations to sect beyond what's covered in this excellent lesson.

[@AirFire18]

I’m a little confused. The first chart shows melefic switched with night and day, compared to the chart showed later at the end. Which switches them up. Other than that, it makes completely sense.

[@user-uu4kf9bg8m]

Hey Chris, I have a question for you if you don't mind - the pattern of the day sect planets being in trine to their domicile rulerships and night sect being in sextile is very interesting, but this means that the planets in fall in the day sect will be in sextile to their domiciles and night planets in fall will be in trine to their domicile rulerships. This leads me to wonder if the significance is anything special beyond that fact that they are all in the same aspect (day in trine, night in sextile), since the significance of the aspect itself would suggest that the planets are happy in their fall. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you for the lecture!!

[@Christhyfy]

1:10:40 funny that you interpreted my (day) chart jupiter and saturn placements by chance and its painfully accurate with saturn in 11th

[@alanakayla42]

lol the way i have a night chart and a satrun-venus conjunction.. greaaaaatttttttt we luv that

[@gldlks219]

Coincidentally watching this episode on 10/11/2021, one year after it was recorded.

[@velmathepelmar]

Excellent - that was riveting - watched on podcast. I had previously skimmed over day and night charts thinking I had a day chart being born at dawn but as it was on winter solstice, in the depths of darkness - even though at sunrise - I clearly have a night chart. I didn't know it was that literal - look at the sky! thinking it was time-determined instead.......What a revelation! Couple of questions - does the rejoicing condition have a mutual reception? e.g. my mars in cancer (fav = Capricorn) and my Jupiter in Capricorn (fav Cancer) or too tenuous a link and mostly has to be same planetary exchange . Lastly, in the rejoicing condition it is said that the rejoicing position of Mercury is trine the sun but in reality this can never be as Mercury can only be around 60 deg max from sun - have I got this right? Please do more podcasts like this - I love to watch your regular podcasts but this deep dive workshop has been extremely beneficial - if not changed my whole view of what I know about astrology and my chart. Utterly brilliant and compelling (and very moving) - I would love to see your chart (and I'm sure I speak for others) if you would be willing to share with us. Star blessings Vx

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

No, I don't think there is a mutual reception like that via sect, if I understand what you are asking correctly in the first question. In the second question I think you may have conflated the joys with the rejoicing conditions, which are separate concepts, even though there are similarities.

[@velmathepelmar]

@@TheAstrologyPodcast ah ha....I will look again at the joys and separately rejoicing conditions - I must have gotten them mixed up. Much appreciated.

[@2bugsmama]

This is a great lecture! I have a night chart with Venus at 1 deg Leo in 7th house. However, my romantic relationships have been extremely challenging, difficult and relatively short lived. There must be other aspects that challenge Venus?

[@marilynzeinel-abidin1027]

Also I was thinking it would be good to identify the most negative planet and do a Vedic mantra or planetary attunement for it. Thoughts 💭?

[@jennifergulley9285]

My ascendant/descendant access is at 3°01' Sagittarius/Gemini. My sun is at 7°27' Gemini, would you consider My Chart to be a day or night chart? I have Saturn conjunct my ascendant within three degrees, Mercury as the evening star, Mars exalted in Capricorn 2nd house, and Jupiter in my 4th

[@kayleighbonel4318]

Chris words things in a way that makes it sound like the helenistic astrologers made astrology rather than uncovered it through observation. For example "they assigned these benefics to this sect", it makes it sound like they decided to assign it and from then on it was an astrological effect that started happening. That seems really illogical to me at first, except that I do see sort of a quantum mechanic observer effect going on in other areas of astrology... like Pluto for ex, being such an arbitrary candidate in terms of size and orbit but yet so fitting for all its astrological significantions it was assigned.

[@kellz83]

When you're talking about the issues you're running into when the sun is within a few degrees of the asc or dsc, I wonder if the advent of daylight's savings time has anything to do with this, and if the charts reconcile themselves when you account for that?