Putting Charles Finney, Billy Graham, and Andy Stanley in the same category is wild.
@jalapeno.tabasco8 ай бұрын
it's valid tho
@timcummiskey11788 ай бұрын
Click bait, of course they never discussed any of them. Webbon is pandering.
@toddstevens96678 ай бұрын
I had the same thought. There are miles of difference between Billy Graham and Andy Stanley.
@danielwarton53437 ай бұрын
Doesn’t Andy Stanley think Muslims will be saved then?
@stevencohn9227 ай бұрын
Wild is probably not the correct adjective! Maybe an extremely UNJUST comparison!
@jenlynne678 ай бұрын
As a woman, I agree there are way too many women in positions that men should be in within the church. The men have become weak or were never strong to begin with in their Christian authority. It's disheartening.
@michaelclark24588 ай бұрын
Yes and no. As a man in his mid thirties I’ve volunteered to step up and lead many of things including a few different start up ministries in my last church that was open to lady preachers only to be shut down several times. But when the women started ministries it was always received with open arms. Men of the past might have been weak. But men of today are often not the same but they are just often told to sit down you had your turn.
@flight2k58 ай бұрын
”This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;“ 1 Timothy 3:1-2 KJV Women are not supposed to hold any position in the church
@hisservants80038 ай бұрын
@@michaelclark2458 Get out of churches that allow women to preach. That is the issue. Let's pour our time, effort and money into churches and organizations that have a proper understanding of the roles of men and women.
@michaelclark24588 ай бұрын
@@hisservants8003 I did. I served faithfully there for 10 years. When I first went they did not allow lady preachers. That came later. I was the main objector to it being introduced. A cursory read through Revelation 2-3 teaches clearly that some are called to faithfully remain and obey in a church who is becoming apostate. But there also comes a time when you must leave. Shortly after the birth of my son I started looking. I didn’t want him exposed to it. If it was just me and my wife I may have stayed longer to rebuke the false doctrine of lady preachers. I loved them enough to stay and be a true witness longer than I would have if I hadn’t previously built connections and fellowship.
@bnotconformed71078 ай бұрын
I totally agree! Where are the biblical males? Where are the Bible only churches? Why are there 'new testament only ' churches?
@bartthepirate18 ай бұрын
I didn't hear anything in this episode about Billy Graham or Andy Stanley. Would love to hear more specifically about their association with Charles Finney. Thank you.
@deborahturner76067 ай бұрын
Same. What happened? Thanks.
@samueljimenez74207 ай бұрын
This is a continuation from a previous episode on those men specifically I believe.
@ethanacevedo63747 ай бұрын
@@samueljimenez7420could you link us to it?
@marutkaren2 ай бұрын
Praise God for Billy Graham and all the millions of people who came to know Christ through his ministry.
@pamcollins21788 ай бұрын
Woman, here 🙋♀️. I so totally understand staffing the church with all men. And I, myself, recently (on good terms) stepped down from a paid leadership position as Children’s Church Director. I go to a nondenominational charismatic church that has ties to the Assembly of God denomination. Our pastor is a woman who knows the Word & is a great person. Our lead prayer minister is a wonderful woman. I respect both of these God loving women, but it just doesn’t sit right in my gut that they are in these pivotal roles. Leading the men of the congregation in Word & prayer. It’s off putting.
@michaelclark24588 ай бұрын
Very good to hear. You deserve respect for standing up for what is right. Even when it costs you.
@rinihogewoning65287 ай бұрын
Glory be to God for giving you eyes to see and ears to hear.
@neckutter11257 ай бұрын
I am so happy to hear that the Holy Spirit is leading you to follow His word, not the culture. Bless you sister.
@Homeatlast1017 ай бұрын
Praise God for Godly women wanting to please God rather than other women and or ignorant men! Now as far as you stepping down from this position, I am not o sure that anything was that wrong with it as you were working with children and directing all that. As a Godly man I don't see you as head of the church in this position or preaching in the pulpit every Sunday morning and trying to teach men every Wednesday night??? Not too sure about this decision BUT I can tell you that the women "headship" you are under is DEFINITELY NOT BIBLICAL! I pray that The Holy Spirit continues to lead you in every way and HE continues to fill the voids you may have. Bless you Sister! ;-) In JESUS' NAME!
@carlinbyrd39487 ай бұрын
Your church has no pastor and those women do not love God or else they would not be in those positions
@gloriateff90718 ай бұрын
Thank you for being bold and including Billy Graham.
@landlockedpirate548 ай бұрын
I was very interested in hearing the commentary about Charles Finney, Billy Graham, and Andy Stanley. Alas, not a word about them during the entire conversation. Clickbait.
@monew6327 ай бұрын
#metoo
@ethanacevedo63747 ай бұрын
Came to the comment section to say the same.
@caitlynyoung14027 ай бұрын
Well, the conversation was more of an explanation of how these particular individuals, along with a plethora of others, have operated their Lord’s Day worship service in a way that has completely missed the mark in terms of how God has instructed His people to worship on Sundays and to draw near to Him. These particular names are huge names that have contributed to the disfunction of the modern evangelical Lord’s day worship service, so the discussion was actually explaining why/ how that is.
@landlockedpirate547 ай бұрын
@@caitlynyoung1402, the discussion indeed had value, but it was not as advertised: “SEEKER SENSITIVE HERETICS: CHARLES FINNEY, BILLY GRAHAM, & ANDY STANLEY”. I like this channel, but they should do better.
@charlottepatterson28647 ай бұрын
Agreed, there is plenty of evidence available to justify the title of this video. Too bad it wasn’t organized and presented as advertised. Lots of people need to know the truth.
@gregb64698 ай бұрын
Nobody in America owns property, they just rent it from the government. Try doing something with 'your' property that goes against the zoning laws, or decide to not pay the property tax because you don't like most of it going to the local child indoctrination centers, and you will find out fast who REALLY owns your house and land!
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Extremely frustrating, ain't it. The government is not your friend and has no true good intentions for you.
@jkid89484 ай бұрын
Or even your neighborhood HOA!
@amandalynnlucarini95178 ай бұрын
An evangelical family member, upon hearing that we were catechizing our young children, said, “Isn’t that a Catholic thing?” We had to inform that individual that the Catholic Church started catechizing their people because the Protestants did it first. The lack of church history knowledge is sad. The ignorance surrounding the use of confessions is another common issue.
@GandalfTheBased7 ай бұрын
wait, what? Catechizing was a Protestant thing first???? Please can you give me a good source on this??? I am in seminary but haven't taken my church history classes yet and would love to understand this!
@ronlanter69062 ай бұрын
I've heard quite a few evangelicals say the same. It's disheartening.
@joeyrose12457 ай бұрын
Great discussion men. I spent most my life in an SBC church, mostly in small town Kentucky and a few years at an ABA church, so I understand everything you men spoke of. You men give me hope for the future of Christianity.
@RightResponseMinistries7 ай бұрын
Truly appreciated
@Pastor_Grant8 ай бұрын
Where was the part about Graham & Stanley? Listened and didn't hear them mentioned, did I miss it?
@AltKuyperian7 ай бұрын
lol my KZbin is on auto-play. This intro came on and it caught my attention. I said “I need to subscribe to this guy!” And picked up my phone and lo and behold it is RRM. Fantastic work guys haha I’ve been subscribed and watching for about a year now, and you’re still keeping it fresh and interesting. Praise God for the work He is doing through this ministry.
@RightResponseMinistries7 ай бұрын
Really appreciate that!!
@BenTrotterNZ8 ай бұрын
PRAISE OUR LORD JESUS!!! Grace and peace Pastor Joel! Thank you so much for this episode it was such a blessing from our Great Lord Christ!! I found it really helpful when you were all talking about how the seeker-sensitive church is very individualistic and consumerist, and that its liturgy is man-focused instead of God-focused. It really explained something I could not put my finger on, but knew was wrong in seeker-sensitive churches. It has given me content that I can share with my seeker-sensitive church going friends, a great gift from God! I am wondering if you may please elaborate further on why Charles Finney, Billy Graham, & Andy Stanley are seeker-sensitive heretics. Especially Billy Graham, as he is held very highly by many evangelicals when he should not be. Soli Deo gloria!! Prayers to you and your family and church my dear elder brother in the Lord!
@rinihogewoning65287 ай бұрын
I know It's not something to laugh about but I couldn't contain myself hearing Joel say in such a calm voice "purple haired female lesbian pastor". He said it in such a normal tone as if it's nothing out of the ordinary for the current times we are in.
@RightResponseMinistries7 ай бұрын
😂
@AllentheBeloved6 ай бұрын
I gotta grow a beard and look like a dandy to fit in with these reformed dudes now ... maybe buy some $300 shoes and a polyester jacket
@RoyceVanBlaricome8 ай бұрын
45min into this and turning it off. I've waited as long as I can and still have not heard Charles Finney, Bill Graham, or Andy Stanley's name even mentioned. So am thinking it was a clickbait headline built on a lie to get someone to open the video. Now it's just gone over the edge. Should've known it would when I saw AD Robles on as a guest. The only other thing I'll say, FWIW, is that it's just the kind of talk from AD and Joel agreeing with him that churches should even hire any females, even as a Secretary, that gives the Egalitarians fodder for their canons.
@delbert3728 ай бұрын
True. They often say true things, but sometimes they are nuttier than a squirrel turd lol
@davidrogers39207 ай бұрын
Please stop with the clickbait. You guys didn't even mention these 3 preachers.
@johntobey15587 ай бұрын
There is absolutely no extended conversation about Billy Graham amd the international Seminary Movement his leadership has birthed in tge last 80 years at: Fuller Theological Seminary (Pasadena, CA ) and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (Boston, Massachusetts. Very misleading.
@ccfan626 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Now I won't waste my time trying to find what is their problem with Billy Graham.
@godsmanpodcastАй бұрын
Most will use clickbait to get you to watch videos.
@paulwinters60246 ай бұрын
The section on obligation, duty, and tradition is slightly ironic coming from reformers who hold certain sets of beliefs that would perplex the Patristic Fathers and the pre-Schism church. That said, I agree with the sentiments deeply. I’m learning a lot from you fellows as an Orthodox Church. May God bless you and your families.
@johntobey15588 ай бұрын
The Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College is an incredible world Class Archive of Hostorocal evidence of over 100 years of testimony of missionary 👪 including :NATE Saint, and Jim Elliot who were martyred for the Kingdom of Christ. Elisabeth Elliot has been a powerful writer whose prose has effectively inspired and discipled thousands of Christian men and women. "FOR CHRIST AND HIS KINGDOM."
@danjohnson8878 ай бұрын
What is "Hostorocal" ? LoL
@elijahgrajkowski25058 ай бұрын
@@danjohnson887Was going to go to the dictionary on that one too.
@KadenGreen-eg1cz8 ай бұрын
He clearly just misspelled historical
@roddumlauf92418 ай бұрын
@@danjohnson887 Dah, Dan, it was a typo "Historical" , didn't you observe that ?
@newbeequilter8 ай бұрын
@@danjohnson887 It appears to be a common typo in that both the i and o on the keyboard are next to each other. Instead of mocking someone, why not politely bring it to the commenter's attention so they can edit it?
@Reformed15 ай бұрын
Listen at 1:39 min mark...."With the COMING OF THE SPIRIT at PENTECOST, His people BECOME THE LIVING STONES of a new Temple. Huh? This is heresy. The early church did not become 'living stones" or become saved at Pentecost. They were already saved! They were believers being clothed with power as the Lord promised
@longstreet27408 ай бұрын
Finney has a most confusing soteriology. Billy Graham has a more consistent message. I'm neither pure Arminian, Calvinists, Dispensational. I do grieve over the state of Evangelical Christendom in general. Led to Faith in Christ by Lutheran Camp counselor almost 50 years ago this summer 1974 . God opened my heart and mind to the Bible through Billy Graham, Hal Lindsey. Jack Van Impe. Had dark experiences in both Charismatic, Calvinistic, and IFB circles. Too much emphasis on 'Altar Calls' as guilt trip
@longstreet27408 ай бұрын
Correct me if i'm wrong but I sense a Calvinistic bent in OP . Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to 'throw anyone under the bus' as far as their individual salvation, but I'm disturbed by certain Calvinists who judge me as 'unsaved' because I don't adhere to 5pts.
@jalapeno.tabasco8 ай бұрын
you're not saved because you're not a 5 pointer, you're just inconsistent lol
@longstreet27408 ай бұрын
@@jalapeno.tabasco Nevertheless I HATE Calvinism
@jalapeno.tabasco8 ай бұрын
@@longstreet2740 you hate the idea what God unconditionally chooses who to save?
@jkid89484 ай бұрын
I thought you guys were going to talk about the three men you have in your subject heading.
@-RM-7 ай бұрын
36:01. The discussion about truth, reality and AI is one of the greatest concerns for today's Christians. We have a terrible formula thrown upon us today: AI technologies + man's sinful nature = the destruction of truth. It's becoming increasingly difficult (if not impossible) to know what's real and what is not. I see this all the time, on FB, Pinterest, YT, etc., where I suspect only a small minority of the photos/videos I see are real and/or truthful. This is a HUGE concern for Christians. Jesus IS truth, yet we are inundated with falsehoods every day. Our churches and our weekly services must be the exact opposite of what our culture is becoming. Church should be REAL when our world is not.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Definitely click bait. You had the opportunity with that title to expose dangerous doctrines taught by those three wolves and you opted instead to discuss liturgy and the role of women in the church, and never mention them.
@msf21267 ай бұрын
Ever since I heard talk of Finny being heretical I have searched out many hours of his matarial and am yet to find a single thing. To credit finny with errors done by others a century later is a most dishonest misrepresentation. To do so is to bear false witness.
@misternewman15768 ай бұрын
Every Billy Graham sermon I've heard was pretty hells fire and biblically sound. He's on record of saying he would've been happy if even 5% of people who attended his crusades were truly saved. That doesn't sound very seeker-confident to me.
@lewislibre8 ай бұрын
His old sermons in black and white are the best. 1970’s after are pretty average
@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth8 ай бұрын
I thought so too but he worked with some demonic people and he taught some iffy things
@bnotconformed71078 ай бұрын
He got compromised and controlled 😪 i think he started out with good intentions.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Billy Graham was a heretic who taught a false gospel. I recommend the book Billy Graham and his Friends by Cathy Burns.
@bertbinion742029 күн бұрын
What I'm hearing is that many of you are disappointed that the Three were not discussed. Regardless of where they began Finney and Stanley became heretics.The beloved and lauded Billy Graham became openly a kind of universalist in his later years. He expressed this in TV and published interviews. Don't believe me? Do your own research.The scripture is the final judge of whether or not our icons finish well, not our emotions.
@steventerry5933 ай бұрын
Fort those of us new to the channel, what exactly do you mean by "trash world"?
@elijahgrajkowski25058 ай бұрын
Psalm 136 models for us a call and response element in our liturgies.
@MeanBeanComedy7 ай бұрын
He didn't say his people were the stones. He said one of them was the rock.
@karlernstbuddenbrock3718 ай бұрын
Speaking of “just you and me”, does this host ever let anyone else speak more than he?
@ayobithedark27728 ай бұрын
He's definitely arrogant and close minded. He talks down on everyone that disagrees with him. He demonstrated this very clearly in his video with redeemed zoomer on evolution
@Snowdu8 ай бұрын
"Emotional Manipulation". I was converted with "emotional manipulation" and continue to feel deep, real, unquestionable emotion every time I sing, pray, read the Bible, and listen to sermons. Do I rely only rely on emotions? Of course not. Emotions change. But when I'm not 'feeling' it that doesn't mean I say "Oh, I guess I'm not feeling it anymore. Time to move on from Christianity". Seems like the reformed tradition really hates emotions. You all also seem to think that those who feel emotion are devoid of truth, doctrine, true biblical understanding, and are self-centered. The emotions I feel stir me toward evangelism, they lead me to want to share the Gospel, they ignite my passion for God. Side Note: Do people from the reformed/cessationist camp ever stop to actually consider that their character and personality comes across as extremely prideful? Not just talking about this channel. Pay attention to all the different channels and you'll see what I'm talking about. I'm convinced reformed circles attract a certain type of personality. You'll understand when people engage with the comment section :)
@jejoisland91828 ай бұрын
wow like you 1 to 1. I am so glad that you wrote that. Like you just gave voice to my thought which i could not put into words. I agree with you completely :D
@andrewmiles23708 ай бұрын
Feeling emotions toward Christ and His gospel is simply not the same thing as the emotional manipulation being discussed here. Manipulation means or at least implies that you wouldn't be correctly having those reactions without the manipulative aspects.
@reddragonair31478 ай бұрын
I don't think they're trying to assert that having an emotional response in worship or prayer or reading God's Word is wrong or fake at all, or that it's even mutually exclusive with what's true. They don't seem to be saying that an emotional response is always manipulated. But they're pointing out that particularly in modern worship, there is a formulated push to manipulate an emotional response that isn't genuine or tied to a true knowledge of Who God is and the message of the Gospel. Emotion is a natural part of your relationship with God, and the congregation's relationship with God and each other. With that said, it should come about to emphasize, and as a result of, our knowledge of God and what He has done for us. Not from the hype of the crowd, a combination of musical chords, lights and smoke, and the rest.
@lewislibre8 ай бұрын
Emotional manipulation and emotions are two different things. One is biblical one is evil
@ogloc63088 ай бұрын
it’s weird that people say that reformed folks are prideful but reformed preaching is the most God centered and holds God’s sovereignty to the highest degree
@orangeandslinky8 ай бұрын
I don't want to binge-watch any show.
@danjohnson8878 ай бұрын
You MUST!
@marymack18 ай бұрын
Billy Graham has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame
@christalone718 ай бұрын
That tells you all you need to know about him.
@delbert3728 ай бұрын
@@christalone71Actually it doesn’t.
@christalone718 ай бұрын
@@delbert372 Actually it does. If Hollywood loves a preacher of the gospel, then something is terribly wrong with his preaching and witness. The world will hate those who are truly standinf for Christ & the gospel. One who is truly light in the world will be despised by the darkness. Now go read your Bible.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
@@delbert372do some research on him then. He was a Judas goat
@Stinigen8 ай бұрын
Hello! I was listening here on YT and switched over to Spotify and I believe last week’s Friday episode was re-uploaded in place of this episode on Spotify.
@RightResponseMinistries8 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will take a look
@RightResponseMinistries8 ай бұрын
Should be fixed but you'll have to download the new episode. Had to delete the old one. Here is a direct link: podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theology-applied/episodes/THE-FRIDAY-SPECIAL---Seeker-Sensitive-Heretics--Charles-Finney--Billy-Graham---Andy-Stanley-e2ft2fe/a-aavl9fi
@Stinigen8 ай бұрын
@@RightResponseMinistries Thank you, I appreciate it.
@GinKirk72567 ай бұрын
I’d like to know what is going on with Rachel Denhollander.
@burnak73837 ай бұрын
I'll just ask this here. I was just watching today's sermon about Ezra and while listening, it was made private and I couldn't continue. I also noticed an earlier Ezra sermon is now private. I'm wondering what happened here. And the website is a month behind 😢
@RightResponseMinistries7 ай бұрын
Hey @Burnak7383 - I’m replacing this weeks with a higher quality as the stream today was real bad quality. I temporarily made the stream file public for you to try and finish it up but I’ll be replacing it as soon as an export is done. Last weeks is up - the file from Sunday had worship on it and needed to be replaced as well. I’ll double check that it’s on the playlist. Also, thanks for letting me know about the website - I’ll take a look! - Nathan
@carolynbohannon46028 ай бұрын
Please no back ground music😢😢😢
@michaelclark24588 ай бұрын
And now they field goal kick bibles in some churches because don’t be too traditional right?
@theshockoftruth82227 ай бұрын
lol 😂😂😂😂 Charles Finney !?!? One thing he WAS NOT was seeker sensitive! I’m afraid your credibility has taken a hit….
@GodsResistancePress2 ай бұрын
Definitely
@LorinPartain7 ай бұрын
The comparison of FInney, Graham and Stanley is spot on !!!
@marymack18 ай бұрын
Check out the book Billy Graham and His Friends by Dr. Cathy Burns.
@navigatorsway6 ай бұрын
Independent thinkers all think the same, awesome.
@bnotconformed71078 ай бұрын
Why traditions instead of just Bible?
@zacharycutts7218 ай бұрын
I had the same realization about "Only You" by David Crowder Band. Not a good congregational song.
@ryanrussell31837 ай бұрын
Ahhhh the good old South Park underpants gnomes reference and business model!
@acts413biblecollege88 ай бұрын
Calling Finney “Seeker-sensitive” if a great way to announce your ignorance or dishonesty. “Finney preached and sometimes the whole congregation would get up and leave. That’s good preaching!” - Leonard Ravenhill ”Finney never made an altar call within the first twenty eight nights of preaching. Most of our evangelists don’t have twenty eight sermons. Twenty eight nights in a row and he never made an altar call. He didn’t preach the love of God. He didn’t say ‘you’re a sinner, God loves you.’ He said ‘God is angry with the wicked every day’ which the Word of God says. He didn’t preach grace, he preached Law. He didn’t preach love, he preached judgment. He didn’t preach heaven, he preached hell. He didn’t say ‘you’re a wonderful person’ he said ‘you’re a rebel’. But he got results.” - Leonard Ravenhill
@OnlineShelby8 ай бұрын
I agree with you guys on some things, disagree on others, and am grateful for things you make me think about. Do you honestly believe people who don’t agree with you on things like this are heretics? Because that’s beyond disagreement on a Biblical issue, even on one with real consequences. That’s claiming they don’t belong to Jesus. If that’s honestly what you believe, that you’re being definitional and not just insulting, that’s fine. For the record, I’m with you that we’ve gotten away from God-centered worship. But you seem to wield the term “heretic” like the left does the term “Nazi.” It’s really off-putting.
@bench111ful7 ай бұрын
Not a lot of scripture to back up their condemnation
@TBerger538 ай бұрын
?Where in the Bible does it talk about Liturgy? I love your podcast
@ftk-forthekingdomministrie74399 ай бұрын
Charles finney - the example that Justification is NOT cognitive dissonance
@clayman22168 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@RightResponseMinistries8 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@aallen52567 ай бұрын
Save your money! This smug lot don't need it. They're mistaken about how hard it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.
@D269968 ай бұрын
Very good talk. The only disturbing aspect is the unBiblical infatuation with one of the leading idols of our time in alcohol/wine. If you can practice sound hermeneutics and repent of that sin you guys will be awesome.
@benjaminsummers68687 ай бұрын
While Billy Graham did indeed say some things and do some things that brought reproach on the Gospel, he still did a lot for the faith when it came to Evangelism.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Billy Graham taught a false gospel.
@werkzeugmann62247 ай бұрын
Good liturgy is what you think, bad ones are what others think!?
@Yela9278 ай бұрын
It’s kind of funny hearing a “reformed” baptist calling other Christians heretics. I don’t think y’all should get too comfortable throwing around the H word.
@dobromirgoodpeace238 ай бұрын
😅 makes sense now. I was trying to figure out who are these folks and what’s their angle. “Reformed” kinda tells me all I need to know. Thanks w
@kimmykimko8 ай бұрын
Then go be a Catholic. Have at it. There are heresies and they need to be confronted.
@dobromirgoodpeace238 ай бұрын
@@benq.3653 them using a term “heretic” so freely is a good warning sign for me anyway. Every denomination (sect) of Christianity guilty of this but so called “reformed” are high up there among some of the most arrogant ones. I can’t speak about the other two guys in the video but I know enough about Billy that I would be very uneasy (to put it mildly) calling him “heretic”.
@Yela9277 ай бұрын
@@benq.3653 well unless I’m wrong about this but I’m pretty sure when it comes to the sacraments they would be heretical by most Christian orthodoxy. I mean would they let anybody who was baptized as an infant take communion? Or would they require another baptism?
@matthewzmarzley7 ай бұрын
Title was just clickbait You are better than this brother Love your stuff but this one was silly Looking forward to you moving on
@Yahweh-Chase-Bella8 ай бұрын
Even the words " you're going to be disappointed" in heaven when you can't romanticize Jesus by yourself is just so wrong. Do you know the completeness God brings. His restoration and love will not leave someone disappointed in something they thought and were wrong about. You are going to be exactly where and who you were always seen to be. If anything you will be laughing at how silly or wrong some of our ideas on things are lol. Praise Jesus he is the good Shepherd with a good plan
@andrewh75998 ай бұрын
Nice looking group of Pharisees you got there.
@brianrich78285 ай бұрын
What did Finney teach that was heretical?
@christalone718 ай бұрын
Y'all are getting some Arminian hate brothers in these comments, lol. Good discussion men.
@incredulouskirk8 ай бұрын
What is trash world? I dont understand.....
@TBerger538 ай бұрын
?What is “Trash World”?
@candiceburke96718 ай бұрын
Please could someone define "Trashworld".
@ericthehalfmexican91878 ай бұрын
The western world 2024
@bnotconformed71078 ай бұрын
Worship can be anytime, however GOD never changes! How can you pick and choose which laws you have to follow? Do not commit adultery is more important than have no other gods before me? Do not steal is more important than remember the sabbath (which GOD established in genesis). I don't understand.
@timcummiskey11788 ай бұрын
Billy Graham a heretic? Really?🤔 Guess I'll tune in.
@Pastor_Grant8 ай бұрын
Probably a reference to the Robert schuler interview.
@timcummiskey11788 ай бұрын
@Pastor_Grant yeah, I think he's talked about that on another show b4.
@patrickc34198 ай бұрын
Yes, he was. He preached “say the sinner’s prayer”, not the Gospel. Likewise, he and his son both yoked with the most notoriously false teachers who existed/exist.
@timcummiskey11788 ай бұрын
@patrickc3419 just because you disagree with him doesn't make him a heretic. These are your opinions, not objective truth.
@Pastor_Grant8 ай бұрын
@@timcummiskey1178 who would excommunicate him? Billy didn't go / attend church, nor did he have a plurality of elders who could hold him accountable or am I wrong?
@Heath5802 ай бұрын
I seriously doubt that Graham was a heretic
@brianwalk38367 ай бұрын
Also you weren't converted with emotional manipulation you were converted by the power of God called the new birth because Before Time began God elected you to be saved so you were one of the ones the father gave to the son in eternity past that is proper theology on salvation and knowing that correctly should make you very emotional with thankfulness and humility not Pride the doctrines of Grace ought to Humble you incredibly and make you very thankful that God had mercy upon you and make you in awe of his majesty and character and purpose and ability. The true gospel is god-centered for God's glory not man-centered for man's benefit and Glory
@Silvercrypto-xk4zy8 ай бұрын
finney and stanley sure, but not Graham
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Graham especially.
@jhart2978 ай бұрын
Hoc est corpus meum
@Over-for-now7 ай бұрын
Are you guys saved?
@danielwarton53437 ай бұрын
I agree that we don’t have thoughts that are original in the sense of brand new, but we don’t have to have the same thought patterns that others have who constructed the confessions. I line up very closely with John MacArthur and I see these things in scripture. Yet I don’t hold to all of his views as I disagree with him on a couple of points. As we need to give a defence for what we believe to others and the Lord I don’t believe we just phone it in with tradition and let our witness and testimony be co-opted by tradition, that’s very Roman Catholic and not very discerning.
@gentledove68048 ай бұрын
They all have big foreheads.
@t.j.fowler87798 ай бұрын
For their big brains
@ogloc63088 ай бұрын
big brain dawgy
@AlphaStudios-lh1rzАй бұрын
This is just wicked. Finney was a great evangelist. Shame on you for attacking him.
@stevencohn9227 ай бұрын
Equating Graham with Andy Stanley is like equating Charles Stanley with Benny Hinn or TD Jakes!! Ridiculous!
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
Graham was a wicked heretic.
@stevrgrs7 ай бұрын
I wonder how much these guys have to pay their local cigar bar to let them record there 😂
@Russell-r2z8 ай бұрын
You said the conservative church was only closed for 4 weeks but the right church was never closed you guys need to draw closer to God and you need to read the scripture in Acts that says the baptism of the holy spirit is for all those afar off all those that God will call and God has been calling all men to repentance seek God seek God's perfect will seek to be his disciple seek to be his apostle you're a pastor our pastor still in operation then Apostles are still in operation seek God and be very careful when you talk about men who went to the woods and got on their knees and saw God for the Salvation of souls like Charles Finney least God show you in a bad way to shut your mouth
@jakebarnes30548 ай бұрын
Infant baptists DO believe in baptismal regeneration, you made an error at 10:49. We believe baptism saves, as the scriptures and creeds affirm.
@kimmykimko8 ай бұрын
Exactly. 😂 there is no real regeneration and when they grow up they.deny Christ.
@jakebarnes30547 ай бұрын
@@benq.3653 Scots Confession, Chapter 21: "...And so we utterly condemn the vanity of those who affirm the sacraments to be nothing else than naked and bare signs. No, we assuredly believe that by Baptism we are engrafted into Christ Jesus, to be made partakers of his righteousness, *by which our sins are covered and remitted..."* Nicene Creed: "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;" Westminster 1646, Chapter 28: Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, *of regeneration,* of remission of sins," It would be incorrect to deny baptismal regeneration as a Presbyterian according to both of these confessions.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
We presbyterians believe in infant baptism but not in baptismal regeneration.
@jakebarnes30547 ай бұрын
@@jamesers99 my comment appears to have been deleted but yes, Presbyterians believe in baptismal regeneration. I had sections from the Scots confession and the Creeds but they got deleted. I hope this will suffice: "Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of *regeneration,* of remission of sins..." (WCF, 28- Of Baptism) Baptism saves us. Baptism regenerates us. That's the orthodox reformed view.
@jakebarnes30547 ай бұрын
@@jamesers99 "Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are discerned from others that be not christened, but it is also a sign of *Regeneration or New-Birth,* whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of God by the Holy Ghost," (39 Articles, Article 27). "Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, *of regeneration, of remission of sins,"* (WCF, Chapter 28, Of Baptism). "...All these things are assured by baptism. *For inwardly we are regenerated, purified, and renewed* by God through the Holy Spirit and outwardly we receive the assurance of the greatest gifts in the water," (Second Helvetic Confession, Chapter 20). "And so we utterly condemn the vanity of those who affirm the sacraments to be nothing else than naked and bare signs. No, we assuredly believe that *by Baptism we are engrafted into Christ Jesus, to be made partakers of his righteousness, by which our sins are covered and remitted,"* (Scots Confession, Chapter 21). The reformed view is baptismal regeneration.
@VaxtorT8 ай бұрын
Talking heads....talking about worship of which it is apparent to me they haven't a clue. Lol
@All-Things-New7 ай бұрын
Calvinists being calvinists. They can’t help themselves.
@julianrichards49748 ай бұрын
The way you are talking about Christs body is so 😢upsetting. “This part of the body kicked the butt of this part of the body.” Go back to the drawing board guys. Stop judging other peoples worship, there is no worship in this video. So sad. Perhaps the time making this video to sell product to the Church would be better spent on your knees praying for The Church? How can we correct others for selling a Sunday product while at the same time selling a product. I am grieving this video. Love you my brothers but you have a blind spot equal to the blind spots you are pointing out in others.
@PastorDavidBess8 ай бұрын
Billy Graham wasn't perfect, but putting him in the same category with Charles Finney and Andy Stanley is a step too far.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
He was a heretic who sought to bring the whole of protestantism back under the control of Mother Rome.
@delbert3728 ай бұрын
Billy Graham though? Billy Graham was neither seeker sensitive nor a heretic. You need to check yourself.
@jamesers997 ай бұрын
He was a total wolf.
@acts413biblecollege88 ай бұрын
Finney was far from “seeker-sensitive.” This is slander.
@davidsutter18468 ай бұрын
Get to the point!!!!!!!
@logmonkeyr32vr78 ай бұрын
It’s baptism of confusion. Copied from Catholics
@roddumlauf92418 ай бұрын
Obviously, Right Response, you have never actually read Charles Finney. I have an entire shelf of his books. He is the reason why I am still a devoted Christian. Finney was a moderate Calvinist ....I am no Calvinist, but was tempted for a while, but now Anglican Catholic, unlike Finney who became a Congregationalist. You really turn people off when you lie about the great revivalists from the second great awakening. By the way, Warfield and Hodge would be horrified by your "New Measures".
@johnnywatson49148 ай бұрын
I definitely have. He advocated Christian perfectionism, had a wonky view of the Trinity, and was infatuated with denying original sin and substitutionary atonement. All of which are basic and fundamental Christian beliefs.
@carld27968 ай бұрын
HAHAHAHA. Clearly you know nothing about Finny. He was anything but a dazzling orator. When Charles Spurgeon saw Finny preach in London, he remarked that Finny was anything but a dazzling orator, but his reasoning was impossible to refute. You can read it in Spurgeon's "Lectures to My Students." It was a brief passing statement. Sorry, don't have the book handy to give the page. Besides this, if you actually read his autobiography or his theology or his lectures on revival, you would see that he always sought to quench any emotional outbursts during his meetings. He is definitely not in the category of the other men mentioned here. "Seeker sensitive," you have to be kidding. He shook people to their core making them see their need for salvation because of their lost state and most of the people he preached to were "good church people," mostly Presbyterian Calvinists. LoL
@johnnywatson49148 ай бұрын
Why all the laughs dude? You type rebuttals like a 14 year old. Be better.
@YoutubesucksRumbleisBetter7 ай бұрын
TLDW: CLICKBAIT (Bait and Switch). Starts off as a kind of history lesson then devolves into a bunch of suits smelling their own farts. This video deserves more dislikes.
@brianrich78285 ай бұрын
What did Finney teach that was heretical?
@GodsResistancePress2 ай бұрын
Apparently, they think him heretical because he was highly critical of Calvinism.