Seidr vs Galdr: Practice? Difference? Meaning?

[@ms.blubbermooch4849]

Hi - my native language is Icelandic. These two words "Seidr" and "Galdr" are from old Norse which *is* practically Icelandic (the closest to old Norse at least). In the Icelandic (modern) language these words are written like this: 1) Seiður - direct translation: a magical spell. Since English doesn't describe the meaning I'll elaborate; it means something like "a magical herbal blend cooked in a sort of cauldron and some sort of chanting/drumming going along with it") 2) Galdur - direct translation: magic (a general term used for "magic" in Icelandic) These two words can then be combined into one word; galdraseiður which means "A magic spell". Except the English language doesn't really capture the whole meaning (I'm not being a word nazi here, English really just doesn't capture the meaning). So the overall meaning (to me, in Icelandic as an Icelander) would be that a "galdur" can be performed via a "seiður" or some other means. I would imagine the meaning hasn't changed that much since back in those days, just because the language has changed relatively little over all this time.

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

Yes I know about the modern Galdr. That meaning has changes alot in 1000 years. Its all general magic now but long ago it was specifically a chant or a song. I did not know you still use seidr though! Thank you.

[@kilohotel1670]

I was under the impression Faroese is the closest relation (Pretty much a clone of Old Norse.) I remember hearing it was a blend of Icelandic and Old Norse. So wouldn't that language be the closest to it?

[@alw-hundarnaochviljashunds6947]

Inristning! So Seidr is not most about divination?

[@Mistress_Macabre13]

Why was it considered shameful?

[@dylanmurphy9389]

Don’t be a word Nazi, just be a normal one

[@mamajess503ify]

I am of Nordic dissent Swedish specifically. I have been practicing paganism for most of my adult life. I’m very glad that you put only facts out there as there is much miss information regarding Nordic history. I truly appreciate your videos. Thank you very much.

[@AzazelsWings]

Thank you for keeping it real ! Lots of folk don't realize, that by making things up it muddles that which was/is real and potentially destroys any hope of unearthing the real thing.

[@lacygofmp13]

Thanks for posting such great videos . They are very educational

[@trevorreid4082]

I truly enjoy and appreciate your unbiased on-judgemental approach to presenting various theories and that all are welcome as long as they align themselves to some degree with the historical evidence. A truly refreshing and enjoyable channel. Thanks so much and keep up the work!

[@berkeleyharbin1787]

Good video. Thanks for putting the facts out there and being objective. We need more people doing videos like this.

[@refeicul]

Hearing you describe Seidr brought a memory of an episode of River Monsters to mind. In Mongolia he met with a female shaman who used a drum and brought herself to a trance like state. he described the religion as a pagan religion stretching beyond the age of Genghis khan.

[@BlazeLeeDragon]

Wish I had run across your channel before. I would have added you to my recommended youtuber list when I did my video on becoming a norse pagan. Awesome content, you've earned another subscriber.

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

Allright. thanks man. Ill check out some of your videos too!

[@GrayWolf73]

Thank you, for all of your hard work. I am fairly new to Heathenry, and truly appreciate it, especially this particur topic.

[@driver55]

Thank you for the post and for being an educator, a teacher correcting false history.

[@gardengoddess2692]

I love your work.

[@gubjorggisladottir3525]

Seiður is (I think) more making a potion i.e.a liquid with healing, magical, or poisonous properties. Seiðkarl (or Seiðkona) is a person who makes a healing potions that other people do not know how to do. Galdur is what a Galdrakarl or a Galdrakona does. Galdur or Galdrar can be used for good and bad. It can use ingredients or not. A Þula can be part of a galdur but does not need to be. It can be a galdur even if there is no Þula spoken and one can speak a Þula (fara með Þulu) without any magic (Galdur) Yes another Icelandic here.

[@lotuslady9821]

This is late but could you go into detail regarding thula (apologies my keyboard doesn’t all the Norse letters on KZbin) ETA: also what is runic magic called in Old Norse? Assuming it has a proper name. I’ve studied through limited sources unfortunately and would love to know more.

[@freyatilly]

Very interesting. Though the magic side isn't so much where I am coming from, the potions and herbal remedies are. Look forward to seeing your other videos.

[@ScottJB]

In one of Dr. Claude LeCouteux's books, he cites several sources of Christian medieval lore in Germanic cultures about women specifically leaving their physical body (like astral projection) while sleeping, and flying around at night, entering homes, etc. Makes sense that this might be related to Seiðr in some way, seeing as it focuses on women.

[@UniversalistSon9]

I found this fascinating: Seiðr and Sidhe do share similarities, and it's plausible that the Irish word Sidhe might have been influenced by the Old Norse word Seiðr. Seiðr is an Old Norse term referring to a type of shamanic practice, magic, or divination in ancient Germanic cultures, including Scandinavia. Sidhe (also spelled Sí or Faerie) is an Irish term for supernatural beings, spirits, or ancestors, often associated with land, fertility, and the Otherworld. Although the two words have distinct meanings, linguists suggest that the Irish Sidhe might have borrowed from the Old Norse Seiðr, possibly through cultural exchange or linguistic borrowing during the Viking Age (8th-11th centuries). Some etymological connections: - Both Seiðr and Sidhe relate to concepts of spirituality, the supernatural, and the mysterious. - The Proto-Celtic word *sed- or *set- might be connected to the Old Norse Seiðr, potentially influencing the development of the Irish Sidhe. - Irish and Old Norse languages had linguistic and cultural exchange during the Viking Age, making borrowing and influence possible. While the exact relationship between Seiðr and Sidhe is unclear, it's evident that ancient European cultures shared spiritual and linguistic connections, leaving behind a rich legacy of mystical and symbolic heritage.

[@skyjones5425]

Tusen takk!

[@LovestoLaughLiss]

This is cool. Difficult to remember. I just introduced a new character tonight that is a norse seeress. I'm going to have to learn more to incorporate some of this into my backstory

[@Jayman2800]

6:42 a bit late to the party, but fun story: Witches on broomsticks came from people seeing witches running and jumping their fields holding brooms in the air to show how high they wanted their plants to grow!

[@meighty7080]

There's a key to understanding seidr, the distaff, and trance-like state. It goes back to the idea that God's spin our fate like threads. The trance is to invite those gods in to divinate with the person.

[@theunshelter]

Thank you very much. This has been quite helpful.

[@MarenaPetersdorfHerrera]

if anyone does remember reading the sagas some Norse volvakonnar or seidrkonar used to combine and mix different cultural healing practices and traditions to form their own gandr and galdr that they were portraying, A norse king Harald harfagre married to Snofrith who was the daughter of a Noaidi= saami/finn Shaman and he too was a son of a Volva/Seidrkonna as well as Gorm den Gamle also married to a Volvakona daughter of a Seidrman and Spaekonna, so its not uncommon. My ancestors all had different types of metaphysical practices before they where Christianized from this side, they often tied knots with one another in order to increase power or a constructed tapestry, Half where still into endogamy and the other where into miscegenation of more than one,

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

Thats right! The Sami and the Finns were always in the Sagas the ones more know for magic and taught it to the Norse. And funny enough, most of the stories about a norse king marying a sami, it was not the most romantic. Some of them just married and left and Harald had 20 something other wives if I remember right. SO I think you are for sure right that marrying a volva brought some sore of power and that was the main motivation for the marriage.

[@anidaralopez5676]

Thank you once again for the information. :)

[@draumpje]

I would really recommend Anette hosts’s series about Seidr hete on youtube It casts a little different light, more nuanced Especially about ergi and the supposed shamefulness of the practice And why it would probably be shameful for men back then

[@NeonCicada]

I thought ergi meant a man that's feminine/weak/gay due to the cultural expectations of a Viking warrior. I think seidr practice was only considered shameful among warriors (typically male) as the Völva were strongly associated with seidr and yet they were highly respected women in Viking culture.

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

Yes for sure. Seidr and volva were very respected in society but a bit taboo at the same time. It was extremely shameful for a man to do bout only a little bit shameful for a woman. Vatnsdaela Saga and Erik the reds saga paint the picture like this. I kind of see it similar to something like nude models today. They are respected and admired, but its a bit taboo and probably not something you would want your daughter doing. My guess is seidr was probably the same type of thing.

[@stevecummins324]

defo something about taboo. away from ones group .. IDK,... akin to metal music and "long hair", circle moshing. etc ROFL.

[@berkeleyharbin1787]

Seidr was considered shameful for men, but magic certainly was not. The greatest warriors of the sagas, such as the Volsungs, Bodvar Bjarki, and Egil Skallagrimsson all used magical practices in battle.

[@stevecummins324]

@@berkeleyharbin1787 of course win battle and boast about such... But kind of better to be able to win without fighting... "... A Dead man no use to anyone etc. , ability to outfox, not quite playing by the rules, liminality. Seithe like vibe.

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

@@berkeleyharbin1787 Absolutely! Seidr was about the only type of magic that was considered shameful for men. There were many other types of magic that we have records of the most manly men practicing. Did a video about that too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHK8Z5SfadWtrM0

[@michaels9213]

I know nothing of these practices but in researching the shamanistic practices of central Asia I noticed some similarities, which made me want to find out what is known about this. I was quite curious about the shame accompanying the Volva. Shamans in central Asia and even in Celtic societies were revered as essential components to commune with the otherworld. Do we know why that stigma existed among the Norse. The Scythians shared the concept that magic was a feminine activity, any men who filled that role seemed to dress as women and would be looked at as "unmanly". Herodotus certainly scorned them but that was from a Greco-Roman lens, why did the Norse view them as shameful? Thanks for any insights, appreciated the video.

[@lookis4879]

Bill Lindzie talks about his experience with practicing Seidr in his article "Germanic Spirituality (Why Wicca is not Celtic)" If you haven't read it, do so He says its not voluntary, and it also involves seizures like the name suggests

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

I saw somewhere on KZbin that Seiðr was practiced by the Vanir deities, & when Freyr & Freyja went to Ásgarð, Freyja taught it to Odin. How then could it have come to be considered "shameful"? How would the Norse people have squared three deities they worshipped, with the idea that their magickal practice was "shameful" or Ergi?

[@myson999]

Cause shaming. Simple fact of ego and superiority complex.

[@Hurlebatte]

Going off what you said about the gods in galder not necessarily mattering, I want to add that the Old English Nine Herbs Charm refers to itself as galder and it seems to draw on both Woden and Jesus for power.

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

Thats right! 9 herbs charm is the earliest example of that. But there are dozens more charms from later on grimoires in scandinavia that mention all types of cods in the same galdr/charm.

[@jamesonz2898]

Your so rite about the wanab gurus making things up about how seidr was practiced.

[@TOVANorseWitch]

amazing when i was in british traditional witchcraft we used simular bone to bone blood to blood etc love this i am now a practioner of Seidr and a bit of Galdr too thank you for this love it have subscribed and liked it was a calling as a born medium healer and Freyja calling to me i am trying to do my practise as Freyja wishes it to be maybe not as our Ancestor did but hey different age i am 80 percent scandinavian D.N.A too felt called all my life will watch all your videos its nice to find content i am interested in thank you Halsa Valang

[@someguy-et6pd]

7:36 yes finally someone says it

[@jimludwig3108]

I’m wondering if you could tell me anything about Viking medicine or healers? Love the channel, you have great presentation! Thank you!

[@Firknferret]

The world’s largest broom is in Beitostølen Norway last time I was there. Maybe there is a connection 😅 Also saw a witch on a broom painted inside a 600 year old structure there.

[@avolvaoflight5603]

There's the Völva too. The female Shaman or seer in old Norse & Germanic.

[@MrChristianDT]

I don't remember if it was this video or not, but I remember you mentioning that the seers sat on some sort of thing similar to the chair used by the oracles in Greece, but we don't know anything else about it. I just found out about a Hungarian superstition associated with a holiday called Luca's Day, where a seat called a Lucaszeke, or Lucy's Stool, was made & whoever sat on it could tell who among the assembled people were witches. They claim they allegedly got the superstition from the Celts. Modern stand ins are pretty literal stools or small benches, but the original was like a sort of woven basket on a pole made in a very specific design & out of 13 kinds of wood & fiber.

[@robynnparker1455]

WOW that was helpful! Thanx

[@katiemiller-tirico9828]

I really like your content thank you

[@franklee3800]

Good vid, bloke.

[@kevinlawler2571]

Healing a horses broken leg would have been a miracle back the or today.. typically the horse has to be put down if the leg is actually broken.. the horse is just built in a way that they are pretty much done in with leg injuries that severe.. lol they would definitely been facing a bad situation with a horse in that condition.. it would mean a lot to them to have been able to heal it.

[@rawcontent5166]

If you read the comments in the comment section of your videos, I'd like to ask a question or two. I've been doing a little bit of research on Seidr and Völva (if I'm not butchering either of those), and my two questions are this: 1) Were the Völva important to the vikings, and therefore were really treated as such? 2) In some of the articles I had read on Völva (via google), they made them sound like they were so ... respected? Important? To people (pre-christianization) that even Odin himself would raise a Völva from the dead for their knowledge. Are either of these true? 🤔 I'm jusy merely curious and wishing to seek more knowledge on the topic, let alone anything in regards to the vikings

[@Vidarboots]

I have a great galdur spell for a stubbed toe: "Oh hot damn My pinky toe got jammed Now I'm feeling bad So put beer in my hand" Chant this while running counterclockwise with your dingus tucked between your legs and a birch twig carved with a Rotas Cross clenched between your arse cheeks. If you follow all the steps, pain should subside within 30 minutes. If not, stub your toe again and start from the beginning.

[@williamsaltsman6537]

LOL hysterically!!!🤣

[@caomunistadoggo4129]

I don't really believe Seidr was shameful, but that in reality the writings about it was made by christians after the christianization of the norse.

[@torstenscott7571]

With galdr I can't help but think of mantras from eastern philosophy. I wonder if there's an older Indo European connection?

[@huldrefar]

Mantras yes, and also take a look at tantras.

[@GlobalRage]

Got it, I looked again

[@StressResponseAbility]

So were runes actually used as divination tools? I only just saw someone else "debunking" this as a modern pagan practice, not backed by any historical sources. Would love your take on this. My apologies if this has already been covered, I'm fairly new to your channel

[@msfroekjaer]

Wasn't seird the work of the Volva?

[@kurtbogle2973]

Eternalways is a Native pagan sight. Wonderful. I thought you might want to know.

[@SigrunHT]

Great channel. You've put me back in touch with my roots, which in this day and age when white people are being put down and everything our ancestors did is either being wiped or plagiarised should be important to all white people. I'm not disparaging other races, I'm just saying that I for one needs to feel proud of my ancestors and where I came from.

[@mwol5473]

HAIL!!! HAIL TO THE FOLK!!! HAIL TO THE GODS!!! HAIL!!! 🇩🇪🇩🇰🇮🇸🇸🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇳🇴

[@vergil8833]

What were those male magic users called? I've been trying to find the name for them but I can't remember or find anything with basic searches. Theyw ere called something starting with "V" I think. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[@vergil8833]

Just found it, it's a Vitki

[@shanesorensen7878]

I think there’s a strong psychedelic Mooney to siedr in which they always used henbane or marijuana because if we actually look at two graves of we find these substances in them in Denmark I think.

[@ethanarnold4441]

I know that men practicing Seiðr was considered shameful, but why was Seiðr considered shameful for woman who practiced it?

[@norsemythsandmagic6555]

What if there is someoen who says they have an unbroken line of Seidr from the Saami? (The Author Ivy Mulligan)

[@huldrefar]

Traditions can still be acquired from the western part of Norway. Among old rural people's memory of nature, names, words and in the very construction of vernacular language, there are still fragments to collect. The problem is, very few, if any, is able to analyze or to use this knowledge the proper way. The exceptions may be a few musicians. For an intellectual mind, words can be picked up from Ivar Aasen's "Ordbok" (1873).

[@norsemythsandmagic6555]

@@huldrefar The possibility of an unbroken line of Seidr exists, but can't be proven. Also, is this a shameless promotion of a book you like?

[@vergil8833]

Samis are usually con artists when it comes to this sort of stuff. They wish they were native americans in movies with unexplainable nature knowledge. But fact of the matter is that they were historically so self concious about being different from Norwegian society that they made their own traditions taboo with the help of integrration projects. Only surface level stuff remains. If a sami tells you they're from a long line of witches you should be the highest level of sceptical.

[@enlightenedgold]

1:30 just killed it 😂😂 what movie or series is that?

[@doom1609]

What happened to the one video you posted about all the types of magic?

[@ZiaElohka]

Drums and rattles are used in seidr? What are your sources for this? No drum is ever found at archaeological digs of Vólva graves. It is not mentioned in the Old Norses souirces either.

[@timothyhenegar7484]

Just curious where Galdr is more an Incantation. If there is any connection to the Ulfhednar or Berserkers and the practice of Galdr. Considering both how it was practiced, and the idea of working into a madness or fury in Ulfhednar practices.

[@ScottHam-o1e]

Is there a documented spell for ensuring an anchor holds on a sea faring vessel? Were not aloud to drag em ashore here lol

[@user-lz2es3fs2f]

Gandr as in Jørmungandr: the magical sword (will/force) that protects, is probably related to Galdr. Jørmungandr (as the kundalini snake) and Fenris (the raw animalistic life force), two "offsprings" (or facets of Loke). The binding of the Fenris wolf by uniting opposites (fish's breath and bird's spit) is similar to how the yogis balances and unites/channels the energies of Ida (the Moon) and Pingala (the Sun) into the central channel (sushumna) - the river flowing out of Fenris's mouth. Jørmungandr is of course also a measure of the time cycles, and the snake is a cross cultural symbol for the Sun as in for instance the Egyptian religion and in the Maya culture. Similar to the three energy channels (Ida, Pingala, Sushumna) in the hinduistic diagrams, there are three roots (energy channels) in Yggdrasil. I'm not sure if it's enough to claim that Galdr also has an initiatory kundalini tradition attached to its core. Is Gandr a newer form derived from Galdr or opposite?

[@nathancook8426]

Hey can you do a vid on the saxons?

[@rohanwilkinson1021]

According to the legend of the legendary Robin Hood during the events of the year 1066 the fierce rebel Northmen of Thor brought with them countless sacred rune casting Volva witches from the legacy of Thor of Jord the earth mother to castles that are hated by the empire of the banner of Jormungandr that executed Ragnar Lothbrok.

[@micahfjorgynvarnar4250]

Seithr in old Norse for sex magick or seed magick so because it's called seed magick it could also be considered green magick which is a form of witchcraft

[@MisstressMourtisha]

Ask Freyja Norling. She'd know.

[@SYMBIOTEDINOSAUR]

Could Galdr be similar to the practices of chanting Sanskrit mantras done by modern followers of Sanatana Dharma? I know Sanatana Dharma is very close to germanic traditions

[@johankarlsson3023]

When a Seiđr says "go to war", as a Viking man you should do that. She's in Alliance with spiritual powers and men should respect that. It's not just any woman, it's a woman that are in war herself spiritually, but not personally, but collevtively. A woman cares more about life because that's in her DNA or cromosones, that's why men should respect their words for they do not speak for themselves but for the greater good. That Seiđrs have been brutually fought against, is nothing that warrior men knows about, for they have not permission into these areas. They will have to listen, but refuse because they are corrupted by the unmanly. They refuse to respect female wisdom because they believe they are better, as a true apartheid system. Very sad they do not stand behind matriarchs and Seiđrs anymore.

[@White.Jade.Dragon]

Thank you for your wise words. 🙏

[@joanna_vanderhoeven]

Could you direct me to the source that says that it was shameful for women to practice seidr?

[@norsemagicandbeliefs8134]

I go over all of them in these videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmOui3ejp8eqipI kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2TdeoNqqLyMoM0

[@oakleypsych]

Seems like sound vibration is important, which would explain why the diety is less important than the rhythm.

[@stevecummins324]

seithe.. "underhand"/not playing by commonly accepted rulescontinuation

[@JayN-j8t]

Seidr was preformed by volvas predominately women...basically a female shaman

[@conn7657]

Was galdr and other magical practices also seen as ergi for men or was it just seidr

[@GothiGrimwulff]

Big thing with more magically inclined content creators, they need to cite their UPG. A lot of the time they state UPG as fact.

[@gagemead27]

What was that clip from?

[@trailofatrilliontears1045]

Why was seidr considered so shameful? Do you think they worked theirselves into the frenzy by having sex or using blood?

[@blossom654]

Do you perform sejdr? Or others in your group? If not, why are you a pagan? Just curious. Could it be that ‘riding the broomstick’ originally meant something else, and then devolve into your description? I believe there is a story in the Old Testament about the Pharaoh and Moses casting their sticks in front of each other, and they turn into snakes. Would you say that reference has nothing to do with the sticks in Sejdr? I really like Freya, and would consider the Vanir to be more refined. But I haven’t read the Eddas etc. Why are you a Nordic Pagan? What is the attraction? When I think of Vikings, I think of cold rocks, moist windy grey weather, blood, fights, sweat, spit and snot. Being a Dane myself, I am however not attracted to it at all 😝😅

[@AeolethNionian]

It seems to me Galdr is more of a prayer and Seiðr is like sorcery.

[@demoncore5342]

Seems to me galdr is chanting, we may call it a prayer or what ever. But seidr looks like something very specific, kinda performance art.

[@Torsteinhauger]

Thank the gods for your video, there is so much Bs about norse magic and seidr in yt🤦‍♂️. I going to recommend your videos if someone needs some factual knowledge.

[@PurpleBox89]

That's so strange seidr is considered shameful...I can't at all claim to any better, I'm just an enthusiast for Norse/Viking.

[@bobbydiditall395]

Don't you think that Seidr was norse shamanism? from the evidence presented...

[@marykayryan7891]

As I assume the sources are all Christian writers, that explains the "shamefulness" of Seidr, me thinks.

[@desertstar7664]

Are you Ubbe from the show Vikings?

[@cipherx6334]

Why was Odin so well thought of if he was male and practiced magic? Anyone know?

[@Ixnatifual]

He was the god of death. Would you really want to mess with him?

[@susim4503]

Is paganism making a comeback or has it always had a strong presence in the Norse countries?

[@vanefreja86]

I am by no means an expert, bu as I recall....like in other places, the more isolated you were, the longer it lasted. And as you see.....it translated into christian frames, but the core was the same. Our Christmas isn't that christian..the traditions surrounding it still bears some old roots. Like the name of it (Jul/Jól) and the yule goat.

[@susim4503]

@@vanefreja86 Thank you.

[@Macovic]

I do not no anyone practicing the old beliefs but there are ideas of beings and stuff related to the old beliefs. And I know no one that I am sure of that goes to church either. I also agree with what is said about Jul (Christmans). No one I know celebrate Christ. It is like in a few generations Cristianity has left. I also know runes have been in use a couple of hundred years ago in parts of Sweden. The Swedish Santa is very similar to Oden. And Midsummer seems to be closely related to Yngvi, Njord, Frey or Freya. If you investigate the lands are littered with names of old sacral meaning.

[@gubjorggisladottir3525]

It has always had a presence in Iceland... often hidden. It took 2-3 generations after the Christian-take (Kristnitökuna) to change the religion... people "spoke Christianity" but thought/did Ásatrú. The part of our belief that had to do with elves, hidden people, dwarfs and undead people i.e. drauga, afturgöngur, anda and so on has never left us till the last 3 or 4 generations... depending on just what a generation is. 1 family has kept the knowledge of herbs alive. The last 3 generations have been "grasalæknar" i.e. herb-doctors.

[@susim4503]

@@Macovic Thanks. I'm Australian and although Christianity is strong in the colonial communities, many of the Aboriginal people have kept their beliefs alive. I respect the strong connection to the land of paganism.

[@1.1797]

Heilung = Seiđr? 🤔

[@stacyscott2720]

The gods became important it seems as governments began to organize the beliefs to serve their ends.

[@stephenjones7090]

Christian god yes

[@asecretturning]

It seems very peculiar that seidr is both shameful and a service, you know? If it were so shameful, why would it be performed as a service?

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

Watching your content up and down and well, being a practitioner myself i thought "well lets give that guy a try maybe he aint the usual wanabe pagan with no idea who didnt do his homework" and well so far i only found a single thing where i disagree with you and that is "Did our ancestors believe in all that nonsense?" - i think quite some actually did. Here is my evidence: How many christians today believe that the bible is 100% accurate and the actual history of our world? Ask creationists. We live in a world of scientific evidence and proven theories. We KNOW a lot that our ancestors could at best guess. We have proof where they had suspiscion, we have kids put through over a decade of intense school which is more learning than most scholars of the ancient times had and with more knowledge than was avalaiable to them. And despite us being able to look up knowledge with a click of the mouse, we still have people who believe in bearded skydaddy. Heck there is people that genuienly believe the Jedi religion is an actual real thing as is the force, despite us KNOWING that George Lucas made it up. Hence i do think that some of our ancestors actually believed the nonsense, and some did not though id guess that in percentage of total population, more people believed the nonsense back then than do today simply because education levels and proof are on an entirely different level

[@bobthedestroyer6205]

You look like the guy from the Midsommar film

[@jboy9678]

Tamil is the first language in this world.. Seyol : meaning grand grand mother Words Evolution Seyol + Seyor + Sedor + Seidr

[@johankarlsson3023]

And the reason Viking women converted to Christianity had to do with it being foreign, unmanly men that spoke about it. The men would have just dismissed it as nonsense. It was the women that listened and reflected about it, and their men just went with it, because it was in their culture to accept their women's "intuitive works". The men were busy with other things and just wanted peace with their wifes. Vikings were really hardcore and the women prefered a simpler, "kinder" philosophy. The women took the unmanly men words and reflected on them. The viking war men would never have accepted it from the foreign men that was coming, it's just not in a viking man to rake such acceptance to a foreign, soft, non-violent men. They respected the converting women, and the men converted too, it was not the Viking men that decides to convert to this foreign religion. It was the women, maybe some men ofc but it was more of a people thing, the Viking men respected their own womrn more than foreign men which they could crush, easily.

[@LeeAnthonyxxo]

I think that Seidr was only shameful if you was a Christian (or converted to Christianity). Recently learning how much Christian propaganda had had a hand in old Norse history and how much it twisted it to its own agenda.

[@LeeAnthonyxxo]

@Orrifólk there's an entire pre-Christian history of the Norse people that we don't know much about or is not well taught about. Much of what we know has been through the hands of Christianity, which demonise everything that isn't Christian.

[@Ixnatifual]

But muh jesus…

[@fem_doggie]

What evidence have you found of drums being used in Seiðr??? There is a theory about beating on buckets. Do to archaeological evidence the bucket commonly placed upside down in practitioner graves. Granite drums are made out of highly decomposable materials, there is no evidence of drones whatsoever in old Norris culture or the Germanic Tribes. I personally believe, we pound on our chests and knees or substituted our shields as a drum. Can you send me, some source material?

[@zarkokaradzin5380]

I dont remember Oden gave a crap about learning Seidr xD

[@demoncore5342]

I'm pretty sure Loki reminds him he dressed up like a woman to learn the "magick of women" in some story, after being called an "ergi".

[@krispalermo8133]

@@demoncore5342 Women would not teach men their magic. So Oden shaved his beard and put on a woman's dress, spoke in a high pitch voice and mimic little girls casting herbal brewing magik. When the women seen how silly Oden look and acted, they realize how silly they themselves were being.

[@ianfarr-wharton1000]

Theory, Seidr are gypsy from were the Sweden Goth ended up, around the Black sea, Romania, Slovakia.

[@Samuel42069]

its funny how you "described" seidr. Like you said few irrelevant things and then you said like "oh btw it was also used to change weather, bring disease and death, anyway" lmao

[@andreaseriksson7084]

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[@johankarlsson3023]

The Viking men could easily have crushed the foreign, christian men because of their influence on worldly things, eartly matter. Easily, without a doubt. It was that the women thought it was interesting, that we actually converted. That's why mostly women are lifted up Scandinavian saints because they were most interested in Christianity while the men were busy with ruling, building, working, fighting etc. In our culture it still seems a bit feminine to take part of such areas of human life. But no one today really cares about it, you do you kind of mentality, we're free/equal in that sense, if you are a man sure be a priest or a buddhist monk, a rabbi or a imam no one cares, you do you, and all females can march in the army. But some just want to have a more "effective system" and don't want to encourage people of "lesser use". If a woman have better "intuition" it doesn't say that men have lesser, they can be even greater, so no rules without eception. I think this guy is talking down on Seiđrs a little so I just want to balance it with the fact that women being more intuned with spiritual matters is as obvious as men being better in other areas. It's not ok to disrespect female power but still take cred of manly power, that is in itself unmanly. A man should not put down a woman but respect her cautious awareness about things beyond men. Everything else is an abominataion to what is just and true. And that is unmanly! Which many today doesn't get. You can't win war with that!

[@nodiggity9472]

Sphinx of Black Quartz. Judge my vow.

[@johankarlsson3023]

He's talking BS! They vikings took orders from Seiđrs, when to go to war. Without them they would never have been as successful as they were. Vikings weren't conquered, they chose to upgrade to Christianity. Through their women mostly.

[@marthanewsome6375]

Hahaha, Jesus was so boring that they gave him Odin's life instead.