SEIKO SPB185 Next Generation MM200 Full Review | SBDC125 | Seiko 42mm Divers Watch 2020

[@JeffreyMcMahon]

Thanks for the review. I love both but bought the SBDC125 because the 127 blue dial would compete with my Seiko SBDC065. Having said that, I could be happy with both the 125 and 127.

[@kevins8971]

Just picked up the SPB185. Love the look of the steel bezel. You don't see that much from Seiko so had to go all steel. Seiko is knocking it out of the park these days.

[@bryce6290]

How heavy is it on your wrist? Probay pretty heavy for all day usr

[@kevins8971]

@@bryce6290 it’s a very easy wearing watch. Smaller than most Seiko divers. I would say it also wears smaller than something like the Tudor Black Bay steel

[@PepRex]

Everyone talking about the Black bezel and blue dial, But wow this one is fantastic.

[@jaer.6540]

this is the best one IMHO. It "compacts" the entire watch and makes it appear to be smaller than it is

[@EscapementWatch]

looking at the views of my 2 videos the 187 has a day head start and the 185 is trending way higher. It seems that the ppl are interested in the 185 more.

[@carlhaluss]

I saw the SBP185 with the stainless steel bezel yesterday, it just kinda popped out of the display case at me. Stunning! And I love the matt black dial. The finishing to me is excellent, I love how the bracelet and case brushing is so fine and well done, yet not as blingy as a full polish. I think that I will have to go back to my AD today and purchase! Great, informative video(s), thank you! BTW it fits your wrist perfectly!

[@fohhee]

Got my MM200 limited edition Black Series SPB255J1 for just £648, 40% discount from the retail price of £1080, great deal.

[@tyronesato8637]

Was in the market for a 6r35 for a while and couldn't quite decide what to get, until this beaut turned up! Debated for days between the 185 & 187; went with the 185 in the end because the monotone and steel bezel is just too unique!

[@kikomachine8276]

The 185 is growing on me but I'm still going for the 187. I'm losing my mind waiting on it tho.. Haha called my dealer last night and still there is no stock. Your channel is starting to become one of the best Seiko channels on KZbin bro. Well done we always enjoy your videos.

[@EscapementWatch]

Starting??? Correction! is!!! :) I hope seiko sends me a 185 although the 187 is awesome as well! i'll find out in a month probably.

[@kikomachine8276]

@@EscapementWatch hahaha my bad bro!

[@EscapementWatch]

Hahaha I'm joking 🤣🤣🤣

[@EscapementWatch]

No wrong choice. 185 vs 187. If I didn't have so many other blue Seiko divers for sure I would get the 187

[@kikomachine8276]

@@EscapementWatch yep you are right. Good thing I didnt go for the 149 and got the 143 instead. By the way how much is Kavar selling that Green dialed MM200 1st Gen. Its a US exclusive I believe. So bad I couldn't get it here.

[@ivanpavlov9953]

This (SPB185 )thing’s a beauty, ❤️ love ❤️ it

[@jroobz]

i absolutely love this watch

[@expertreviews1112]

185 is stunning

[@aaBotTech]

The watch is perfect for those who work in healthcare! The red stop sign second had, the understated monochrome, the movement +4's/ day, and best of all the low height! It melts right into my 6.75 which is perfect because almost all dive watch models from seiko and other companies are much too tall, 13.5mm+. Also, the way seiko does their coin edge on models like, SBDC051, 101 and even the Willard. Has a separation lip that has the opportunity to get stuck on a patients skin possibly skin causing breakage, which is a concern for lots of patients especially those vulnerable to that breakage. A big reason for me wanting to sell my 051. This watch is a dream!

[@steelsteez6118]

This or the submariner? Been having a really hard time deciding. Initially I was set on the sub because of it's wonderful thickness at only around 12 mm and then I found out that this SPB is also only 12.5mm!!!! Which is just absolutely incredible for these divers. Leaning toward the SPB due to the steel bezel which I think looks better than ceramic.

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

Go with this. It will age well. The steel stands out and makes it look tough.

[@valontony]

The SPB185 reminds me of the TUDOR Heritage Black Bay Steel Bezel at 1/3 the price !

[@resjon7981]

This or the Tudor BB Steel?

[@supremechief12]

@@resjon7981 ofc tudor if you are willing to pay the price

[@tlerew12]

"Steelmaster' works for me!

[@hammalamiri12]

I love the matte black dial , definitely going to add it to sit aside the blue dial 63 MAS

[@MisterManseattle]

Another great seiko review!

[@EscapementWatch]

Glad you like them!

[@PukaHeadMan]

Dang, that SPB185 Steel is a KILLER!

[@1968jpy]

Both are awesome but I definitely like the blue dial/black bezel better 👍🏻

[@EscapementWatch]

Good choice!

[@fatboy7385]

A review of the black Shogun please. Keep on the good work!👍

[@jasonchen1733]

I saw the 185 today live in person, it is a very well made watch!

[@Bennie_Bee6]

Amazing video as always Falling Titan and so happy to see the Side x Side comparisons with other models to help with the decision. I'm proud owner of the SPB147 and I think the SBP185 is my next choice. I'm missing a blue dial from my collection but as other comments noted... its a lot more rare to get a full SS Bezel/Case/Bracelet from Seiko, esp in a wearable size for 6.5" wrist. This will be perfect and a superb value alternative to many more expensive Swiss SS watches. 👏👌

[@EscapementWatch]

Glad you liked it!

[@JFomo]

I got the sbdc149 and would love to have this sbdc125 in the collection. They look good together.

[@philipagussoegito691]

Best seiko 2020 Spb185

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Really good looking watch. To me a much better option than the MM 300M.

[@chazfromtheburg]

This is the one new Seiko that interests me. Very nice.

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

Ugh, got one in the mail now. Had to do it. Might have to sell my 051.

[@navypilot5903]

Thank you for the education! Subscribed!!

[@EscapementWatch]

Awesome, thank you!

[@JediRamen]

should I go with this 185 or the SPB 143J1?

[@yannminglim]

Thanks for the review, FT. I have just bought my SPB187 and it looks stunning! Just that the spring bars issue like you have mentioned. Thankful if you can recommend the spring bars to hold them tight.

[@EscapementWatch]

I got some nice ones on eBay. Search 2.5mm Fatboy 1.2mm tips.

[@cedarcanoe]

What a gorgeous release at a good price

[@thechosenone236]

Which of these two do you think wears better? I've owned the SBDC107, and I wasn't a huge fan of the fit for some reason. Perhaps it was the bracelet. Now I'm looking into getting the SPB185.

[@EscapementWatch]

I think both wear the same. but this mm200 has more wrist presence with the chiseled out case.

[@sleepinglysithia]

I love the stainless bezel. I have a stainless bezel on my Helm Vanuatu and I think it looks great.

[@EscapementWatch]

Very nice!

[@timemeasured9137]

Great review. Would you get a Seiko SBDC063/SPB079 or a glycine combat sub?

[@EscapementWatch]

063

[@timemeasured9137]

@@EscapementWatch thanks Falling Titan!

[@EscapementWatch]

No problem

[@Siju2235]

I have a Seiko 5 Sports bought on last march 2024,after a month the time runs 2 to 3 mins faster,and now it reached 6 minutes. Please tell me a solution to fix it.

[@alansfreetime9891]

pitty there is no white line around the date window, compared to the previous model. The SPB185 and SPB187 are still very available till today in 2022, unlike the SPB149J1. I would have preferred that one. Also, what do you think about the fact that the crown is not signed?

[@EscapementWatch]

I'm ok with no signed crown. It looks clean. I like when they sign it with the full word SEIKO instead of the "S" but they usually only do that on the vintage re-makes. 62mas/KSK etc

[@Wirelugpoet]

185 rocks, I like “steelmaster” as a moniker. I like it better than it’s black bezeled cousin. The pure bezel measurement helps to know if it recedes or extends beyond the case width. Thanks!

[@EscapementWatch]

No problem! thanks for stopping by!

[@marcel9688]

The 185 is the one I have on my radar. Only the l2l of almost 49mm is giving me a bit of a headache. That actually was the reason behind my question if the new rubber straps would work on it. And to bring down the weight of course. I like it light and easy on my wrist. But that thing is a stunner for sure. Thanks as always for the great video FT 👍👍👍

[@bryce6290]

How heavy you think this is? Looks massive

[@speedwolf5212]

Great video dude! Love that steel bezel. How much smaller does it wear than the mm200?

[@EscapementWatch]

it's a bit smaller will be def noticeable on wrist

[@LFGM24]

Although the sunburst dials on many watches are beautiful and obvious, I’m always a fan of a matte finish. I personally don’t like sunburst dials. They look good but I can’t appreciate them. I’ve always loved how matte dials age over time. The sunburst dials kind of stay the same, even an old one. Now I don’t my a gloss but not sunburst.

[@supersong115]

I own the SPB149 and thought it was my endgame Seiko. Now I have a SPB185 on order and think this is it. Clearly the game never ends lol.

[@EscapementWatch]

Hehe 😊 yup. Just make sure you never hold an ever brilliant steel high end Seiko in your hand it has a white gold luster much better than the 904l that Rolex uses and it is almost double the strength PREN resistance. Then you'll fall into the trap even deeper of the so-called endgame SEIKO. Watch my review on the SLA 043 to see that brilliant new proprietary alloy

[@supersong115]

@@EscapementWatch oh god don’t tell me this lol

[@EscapementWatch]

haahhahaah

[@greglewis20]

Should I buy the 185 or go for an Oris Aquis ?? Both about the same price

[@EscapementWatch]

Aquis! 400 Calibre...check out my review of it

[@ashg7368]

Wouldn’t the bezel black titanium carbon coating just be PVD?

[@wd99999]

Great video! I'm picking one of these up to go with my SLA037

[@EscapementWatch]

Right on!

[@pierce_fierce]

Much better handset and much more appropriate proportions

[@canonyeo4286]

I bought the 187 but, this is l like this just as much

[@El-AYE-Ra1s3d]

This black one would of been better off with a black bezel insert like the blue one. I love the blue one tho.

[@jomsborgwiki5749]

Wunderschöne Uhr 😉👍

[@dmxg6701]

Very good footage, loveley to look at. I prefer the 185 it look fresh and harmonic.

[@tynannida9642]

Not sure how they black bezel will hold up my 077 is super super scratched. Hard to tell when just looking at it though mainly cause the bezel is so thin I think.

[@atrixmike9049]

Nice video and beautiful MM42!

[@EscapementWatch]

Thanks for the visit

[@rameshdathrampersad9216]

Hi great watch and vid. But concerning the alignment of the bezel to the 12 0 clock, some says its off but on some videos it looks fine. I know parallex causes this sometimes. But is the alignment spot on or off? Thanks

[@EscapementWatch]

Every SEIKO is going to be a little bit different the one I had in my video was pretty much spot on.

[@rameshdathrampersad9216]

@@EscapementWatch ok thanks. I really love this watch. I hear people complain about the 21,600 beats, the movement, the indice on the minute chapter ring and so on.. The only thing that would be a bother to me is if the bezel alignment is off, other than this i see nothing wrong with this watch except i would like to buy from a dealer that can give me a discount. Haha. Lol. I like the one with the pure stainless steel bezel. But are the numbers engraved or printed on the bezel. I cant make it out clearly in the vid.

[@walterlee4796]

Reminds me of the Tudor Black Bay steel

[@jectorlam1480]

Me too

[@EscapementWatch]

oh yeah kinda does!

[@josephpatenaude642]

Steel master, tow weeks on the wrist, the watch for me is fabulous, run at +2 sec

[@sdamico555]

This is a black bay Steel for 1/3 the price AND 3mm thinner.... pure win

[@TheNextMarx]

I like the 187 but then again I don't have any blue dial watches. I'm glad they aren't doing that arrow on the hour hand. It looked so tacky.

[@chookchack]

If only the mm200r’s crown is on the 3oclock position, its a homerun imo. Now the 62mas is growing on me.

[@thechosenone236]

Question not related to this Seiko. Do you know how much torque you need to tighten the case back to get back the water resistance?

[@EscapementWatch]

memorize how it looks from factory. where the wave lines up to which lug or area before its ever opened. and tighten it back to where it was before. I dont know the actual torque numbers but thats how I do it.

[@zebulelon]

How does it wear compared to SKX??? And compared to the new 40m.

[@EscapementWatch]

very similar but like a thinner sleeker skx.

[@auttiebarnard7691]

Perfect tool watch

[@davidmecarter]

I can relate. They waynyou feel about the 62MAS is the way I feel about the Tuna. I don't want it, but I do need it.

[@ATIWatchReviews]

love it, with stainless bezel

[@EscapementWatch]

Glad you like it!

[@Jalartifact]

SPB189 SHOGUN Is the Balls 🏐🏐

[@martinharrison4245]

Seiko upped their game with the 051, and the price. I still think the 051 is more interesting than all these new releases, with the possible exception of the Willard. The trouble is they keep pushing the price up with every new model. When are they going to make a ceramic bezel ? I mean if the Chinese can make one on a $100 Watch why can't seiko on a $1000 One ? I' mean seiko seem to be slow nowadays on the basics like sapphire and ceramic, and their alignment should be perfect at that price point too. Please let their next reissue be a poque with a pepsi bezel and gold face. With ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal. I'm sure people would be all over that !!!

[@EscapementWatch]

ceramic isn't the greatest. it can't patina. the big draw for me of the new willard and the tudor black bay 58 is the aluminum inserts. I'm a big aluminum insert fan. ceramic is so sterile and doesn't make a watch good imo.

[@martinharrison4245]

@@EscapementWatch to be honest I've only had one ceramic bezel and that's on my captain cook. I don't mind it but I get what you mean about patina. Some of the new omegas look nice with a ceramic as they are Matt rather than glossy. I have the green cook and the ceramic does change shades in different lights. I do love the lacquered bezel on the 051, and I've not scratched mine in 2 years of wear. I suppose it all depends on the watch and your taste. Get a big scratch on a bezel On a new watch that might have cost 2k or whatever is a bit annoying. I just think seiko could offer a ceramic in some of their bezels especially for the 1k mark, as an option.

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

I have the 051 and I have to agree it's very impressive especially what you can get them for now.

[@brk1313]

Is it possible to remove that annoying lume next to the date?

[@EscapementWatch]

It is impossible as it is pressed from the back of the dial.

[@paolosoddu9642]

Do you think the extension at the clasp could be removed?

[@EscapementWatch]

yes. some ppl buy the mm300 clasp off ebay for 80usd and put it on instead. i've never tired it but I might here.

[@paolosoddu9642]

@@EscapementWatch good to know, i don't if it's worth 80usd... I meant if it's possible to only remove the mute extension and then attache the bracelet to the clasp again. I guess the clasp and the extension are hold together via pin system or something like that.

[@EscapementWatch]

im not sure. I think they are permanent. It looks permanent joined so you need a new clasp again im not 100% i never did it before. YET.

[@alexanderson1236]

I think the blue dial would look great with the SS bezel...you should swap the bezels!

[@EscapementWatch]

Not my watches so I can't...but I've seen them swapped from my buddy. it does look amazing.

[@trailblazer2339]

Yesterday, you replied to me that SPB187J1 is more interesting ;) but now you like this one more. haha! by the way, which 62MAS you are trying to acquire?

[@EscapementWatch]

Yeah spending more time with the 185 definitely made me like it more I'm always just drawn to Blue dials *at first* speaking of that the 62 Mass I'm interested in is the blue dial SLA 043

[@EscapementWatch]

Or might see what 2021 brings. My buddy at Seiko won't tell me. Usually does . Just said isn't life better when we don't know everything

[@trailblazer2339]

@@EscapementWatch great choice bro - SLA043 or get the tudor black bay 58 which you were thinking of recently ; )

[@EscapementWatch]

yes I was thinking that as well. I'm going to get a bb58 in for review so maybe I'll change my mind. but i highly doubt it. as the intro said the 62mas urge feels like its DNA level born with you. But let me clarify that I do think the 187 is more interesting still because of its sunray dial blue. while the 185 might seem a bit bland with the no texture...black dial. but Im drawn to it more for whatever reason. but I will usually recommended the 187 because I always try to think what will my sub like more.

[@trailblazer2339]

@@EscapementWatch Have seen both in person bro - 185 and 187. I generally like the monochrome scheme coz it goes well with any strap however in this case my mind is playing tricks on me. I feel that 185 wears a bit bigger than 187 due to the silver colored bezel. Also the blue of 187 is quite subdued and pops when light hits it. Hence thinking to add 187 to my collection early next year.

[@rezamotori5709]

i wonder if that bezel is durable to fading?

[@EscapementWatch]

I'm sure it wont fade since its pure steel! with enamel paint in the carved out numbers

[@UncleTiaoTiao]

wow~ i will buy this new one~ and probably not want to another new for a long time~

[@raneesudim476]

42mm divers can be worn everyday like regular watches unlike 44 plus🙄ones.so it is big pros in spite of spb185 design which is perfect. By the way, seiko spb185 is the only watch I know which looks better on picture...in real life nice steel bezel is a bit more shiny for my taste 🤨

[@spartanbike2260]

Hi, can you find out the anti magnetic Gaus rating of the 6r35 movement

[@EscapementWatch]

60 gauss

[@resjon7981]

This Seiko or the Tudor BB41 Heritage Steel?

[@EscapementWatch]

for me the bb41 wears to large. this seiko wears similar to a new 41mm sub but cups the wrist better on the seiko. If you have a larger wrist get the bb41

[@resjon7981]

@@EscapementWatch Thanks, still not sure though as they both fit my 7.25 wrist fine.

[@Billeh556]

40.3!!! I knew ittttt

[@TheCrispyjones]

This or a spb147?

[@lumadz]

How to regulate for accuracy?

[@vict9062]

Bring home that SLA043

[@Ferien7]

Good review. You forgot the lug width measurement though.

[@EscapementWatch]

My bad 20mm

[@AK-of9qx]

Wish they did a signed crown. Why wouldn’t they..? Nuts

[@garyk8285]

That is the secret measurement indeed, as the SBDC061 is very much the same in that regard.

[@Doty6String]

Stainless bezel is amazin

[@tonirey232]

I would like to watch a video of your spb185 with a 187 Black bezel. Please!

[@EscapementWatch]

I'll try to find the time to make a quick one.

[@tonirey232]

@@EscapementWatch thanks! Maybe i do the same. Appreciate

[@miguelmaldonado6049]

The Steel 185 it is!!!

[@PLBW81]

No I know whom you remind me. Gassiev the Cruiserweight boxer!

[@jodysilvia2]

I Need a Tudor bb58 blue, unfortunately I have to wait until I pay for my daughter's wedding.

[@mkmarkokoncina]

Nice T shirt

[@alvaromateosfernandez-maqu5772]

185 mod with a black bezel wow if seen on video

[@EscapementWatch]

I did do a video about it afterwards. check it out on the channel

[@jectorlam1480]

42 or 40.3mm?

[@EscapementWatch]

case size is 42mm. but the rotating bezel is 40.3mm.

[@Billeh556]

I need to know where you got that shirt!

[@DanielDanDaniel]

I bought this one

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

Just start moding watches. Buy a san martin 62mas, install a 62 style seiko dial and bezel insert. Scratch the itch for a fraction of the price. I bought a SLA017 when they dropped. When the prices shot up i sold it and bought an explorer. Regretted it and did the san martin mod. Trust me, it scratches the itch.

[@EscapementWatch]

I've been modding for years. The fake seiko's however, never scratch the itch. Maybe for a month but in the end they all feel very empty to me. just my personal experience from modding for years and still do as a side business locally. I reviewed the san martin. seems like everyone loves that fake. mine was probably the only negative review of it.

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

@@EscapementWatch ive had mine for a 6 months or so, it does the job. The SLA is a great piece but imo not worth the price they are asking now.

[@d2touge]

Seiko really needs to consider "No Date" options...

[@eduardomahinay5414]

You buy my seiko 5 almost 10 yrs

[@TheNeybor]

Man, I’m gonna have to sell a couple of my watches for the 187.

[@EscapementWatch]

I believe Kavar jewler has some 187 left. Email me for a discount code!

[@johntocho8954]

Steel Master instead of the Marine Master !

[@sea-watches]

cool

[@criatorioaltamogiana-bicud2204]

187 is way nicer. The steel insert ruins the black and the blue in my opinion. This 185 looks like an ugly monster to me, but the beauty is the eye of the beholder.

[@GBPOGI2]

Spb299 please

[@EscapementWatch]

Will start filming the 299 very soon.

[@TheFlyrodder68]

That is ridiculously expensive for that movement! Love the look but $1200 for that 21600 bph movement is way too expensive!

[@cy4624]

The casework is better or on par with watches running multiple thousands. In perspective you can get a Tag with off the shelf quartz movement and plastic retainer for same retail price.

[@joshtran1483]

Is it me or the hands too thin? Lacking the classic seiko fatty hands

[@EscapementWatch]

its probably optical illusion because of the half and half polish and brushed hands. they seem perfect in person.

[@JinKee]

Marine Master McMasterface