Selecting the June 2024 All-JM Team! | 857

[@TalkinBaseball]

Vote for the final honorees of the month HERE: forms.gle/x6bbaJkBjoCoWU149

[@coburnboeder2320]

On the Adley-Salvy WAR discrepancy: Baserunning and defense favor Dadley on both Fangraphs and Ref as mentioned. The aspect that skews it more in Chadley's favor is the park adjusted numbers. While their triple slash is nearly identical, Clutchman has better park adjusted numbers 131 wRC+ to 123. In conclusion ☝🤓, WAR is for nerds and Salvy has the best teeth in the game.

[@arubato114]

I love the dedication to referring to Adley in many different ways🤣

[@ryanmartin4053]

Dadley Clutchman 😂

[@Mr.DerekReese]

If only we could combine them and make them one... Sadley, we cannot.

[@lazerboygaming9158]

@@arubato114

[@Eiuol81853]

Well done.

[@sams2124]

This comment will get lost in the mix, but last year I traveled from Maryland to Seattle to go to the JM All Star Event and simultaneously get the chance visit my brother who was working at Whidbey Island repairing ships. The event was a fantastic time for my brother and I even though he had no idea what Jomboy Media was, and really only had a passing interest in MLB. Either way, my brother tragically passed away in September of last year, just a few months after the event. I didn’t get a chance to see him again so there’s this weird association I have with the last time I saw him and the JM All Star Event. Honestly it’s a great way to have his memory in my mind and it’s still kind of chokes me up to think about it now. I wish I could make it this year and I want to go every single year from now on as a way to kind of remember his legacy. Unfortunately this year I have Army orders because I am in the Reserves, but I’m going to make it to every single one in the future and would recommend it to anybody who can travel out to Texas. Go JM Go and RIP Mike ❤

[@SeeiingStars]

Heliot Ramos deserves some love

[@theJHeykid]

I'm glad someone else came here to say this. He's leading the Giants in basically everything while playing basically half the games

[@comradechill]

he's ballin for sure

[@jondough3739]

@@theJHeykidnot just the giants, he’s leading the entire NL outfield in WAR and not even mentioned in this episode once 🥴

[@theJHeykid]

@@jondough3739 just for the month of June?

[@jondough3739]

@@theJHeykid Nope. For the entire season. Ramos has racked up more WAR than any other NL outfielder despite playing less games.

[@johneppen3537]

“I think therefore I am” - Friedrich Nietzsche - Rene Descartes - Jake Stromboli

[@tumblecube5005]

Lmao that got me good

[@OGTirpleOG]

I remember before the season started, everyone was talking about “who the hell is going to play OF for the Padres?!” Now they potentially have the best OF Trio this season. Incredible!

[@jacobbyers7914]

Psst Heliot Ramos leads the NL OF in WAR

[@Snazzeo]

Mark Vientos not even getting a mention for 3rd base is crazy, he's played every day since mid may and has the 5th highest wRC+ amongst qualified hitters in the National League since that callup. I don't even disagree with the Bohm pick but COME ON

[@BT1919]

Happens every year to multiple players. I fully agree with you man

[@Snazzeo]

@@BT1919 I get he hasn’t played the whole year I understand that. He deserves a MENTION at least

[@theinternkevin]

Hey buddy relax it’s a podcast

[@scotty213ful]

Who?

[@garrett6865]

He didn’t deserve it over bohm so it doesn’t matter at all

[@jakobgoodwin9742]

Really miss when Jomboy was on these episodes

[@brandondillman5841]

Don't look now, but the O's have possibly the best hitting prospect in the minors coming up soon in Coby Mayo. He's 22 years old is slashing .321/398/679 with a 1.077 OPS and 21 HR's in 59 AAA games this year. It's just a never ending supply of stud bats coming through that organization.

[@Bobabomb337]

Yeah so was Jackson Holliday. Give me a break. I don't wanna hear about no bum ass Orioles prospects just to come up and suck ass. Put a sock in it bucko.

[@omalleycaboose5937]

Josh Smith, last years defensive replacement guy, is now our best hitter... Wild and I love him.

[@305CardCollector]

Wyatt Langford >>>>

[@jondough3739]

The Heliot Ramos disrespect continues.

[@garrett6865]

He has like 40 less abs then yeli no way

[@westbronco9066]

@@garrett6865and more WAR

[@jacobbyers7914]

@@garrett6865 and Ramos has more WAR than him!

[@jondough3739]

@@garrett6865 Ok? And in 40 less ABs, Ramos has more WAR, HR, and RBI than Yeli. Not trying to be a dick to Yeli, I think Yeli is having a great season and deserves all the love, I’ve always been a fan of his, but what Ramos is doing is just as, if not more, impressive and deserves some respect.

[@samuelclayton08]

This is Heliot Ramos erasure and I SHALL NOT BE SILENCED!!!!!!

[@louisminati]

Some of us actually remember Carlos Santana as a catcher prospect. Hella good dude glad to see him still play even on our rival

[@Seigerootz]

The Will Smith slander continues

[@BT1919]

Trev don’t worry, I’m a lifelong Orioles fan and I knew right away you meant it as a compliment. 😅

[@venessablundell8996]

I gotta say yall have shafted Will Smith so hard 😂. Always runner up but not even that, he’s always like a practical tie with the leader and has never once gotten the vote from yall on a toss up decision

[@ayydubs987]

it’s very annoying

[@fredreickweaver809]

How the fuck was Jazz in consideration???

[@breguera77]

NL outfield is pretty weak this year

[@kylepatrick4996]

@@breguera77 Ramos has over double his WAR and wasn't mentioned lol

[@bryansick7259]

I get Francisco Alvarez not getting mentioned for NL catcher after missing 7.5 weeks with the broken thumb but dude has been insane since coming back. Batting .375 with an 1.123 OPS in June. Mets have won 23 of the last 27 games he's appeared in. For the season, they are 17-32 when he doesn't play.

[@blakepriddy8641]

Anthony Santander hit like 15 taters this month hahah. Needs more love

[@Bones912]

No mark Vientos mention is wild

[@anielloa5275]

Trev rocking the Inter Jersey!

[@xLegendaryPete]

Adley rutchman's the obvious pick, jake is just salty cause he likes the Yankees 😂

[@ibowers819]

AL OF lookout because Kwan is coming for them second half petals.

[@user-et1me3oi8r]

I think park factors have a fair amount to do with the Adley vs Salvy WAR discussion - almost identical OPS but adley has him beat by 10 points of OPS+

[@ilovesports410]

Bc he has more hrs lol ?

[@paulhansel8407]

@@ilovesports4101 home run isn’t adding 10 OPS+ my guy. Adley has 1 more HR than Perez

[@Jerry-ou9br]

Hunter Brown deserves some love. Adding his sinker into the mix has changes his season and had one hell of a June. Lowest ERA of all AL pitchers in June.

[@TheSchmitter]

Even as an O’s fan, Salvy earned it. Good on you boys. Adley is still a phenom

[@julianmichaels9140]

Judge for all positions easily

[@ilovesports410]

Dude plays a below avg def

[@ContentinMesa]

He makes Ohtani look like a minor leaguer

[@iamjp1]

@@ilovesports410hes 6'7 playing out of position in center field and is only grading out slightly below league average. look at his defensive metrics any other year btw

[@xxdrewskii]

@@ilovesports410 judge also coming from a broken toe prolly a the big factor

[@recommended1782]

​@@ContentinMesa ? Shohei bro shohei is the greatest player ever stop comparing him to some below avg def and similar bat shohei is a ace don't forget

[@fdannybrown]

Jimmy needs to come back and bring some debate into these picks. Teoscar doesn't even get a mention from you guys for NL OF. Bring Jimmy back, this show is lost without him.

[@thetruth9952]

Seriously? He’s had some clutch moments but dude is below an .800 OPS. Quit overreacting, these awards are meaningless anyway

[@IamtheSifu]

Waiting to hear back on a house offer, some ball yuckin will help pass the time.

[@sethchambers8368]

Good luck to ya! Hopefully you get some great news

[@samuelclayton08]

Good luck baseball bro! If this one doesn't go thru, don't worry, the right one will at the right time

[@Bobabomb337]

I love how we get talkin baseball one day and talkin yanks the other. Love the content flow. The best baseball content creators. Good job fellas!!

[@connornocap]

O'Hoppe has had a hell of a year, and an incredible June. Walk offs, Grand slams, game tying homers in the 8th inning, best caught stealing throwdown ive ever seen. Him and then Estevez was the best closer by far. 10 innings of perfection in June, 26 batters in a row retired no hits no walks. Last but not least, Rengifo leading the league in Batting Average as a second baseman is a huge feat. Guys been nails, plays the field well and is clutch as it gets. So that's our contribution from the Angels. C, 2B, CP for AL all-team contenrers. Couldn't be happier for them

[@Danielbailey25]

No Heliot Ramos mention disappointed but not surprised 😔

[@saucetown222]

Only thing I can think of for the Salvy and Adley WAR difference is pitch framing

[@nickschuman4652]

JACKSON BARREL

[@fredt1983]

Contreas got it, but probably because he's played *NON STOP* this year almost, only taking a game off when he "totally didn't" (probably did) break his finger, which is why he didn't have a great June. As far as Yeli's stolen bases, he's tall af with giant legs, but the Brewers get to steal 4-9 free bases every time they get a shot at the Cubs.

[@anthonyd.8067]

How can Alvarez not even get a mention at catcher?

[@ayydubs987]

bc the award is for the whole season thru june, not just for the month of june.

[@Catboysanji]

Crazy that mookie was talked about for nl shortstop this month but trea turner wasn’t even mentioned

[@claytonreinders9594]

Or Masyn Winn

[@ayydubs987]

it’s march/april THRU june. not just june. y’all do this every year.

[@charlieb3892]

Trea Turner is on a tear and starting in the all star game but no mention at Short

[@andrewboudreau5279]

Chourio time!

[@ryanjohnson170]

Josh smith slashed 300/400/500, while being a + defender and didn’t even get a mention at third base

[@thomaslauterbach4684]

Masyn Winn needs some love

[@VegeMaticPragtarian]

Plouffe with French press reveal?!?! I’m here for it

[@ayydubs987]

the will smith disrespect isn’t even a joke anymore, it is just downright disrespectful.

[@stuffnotlike]

Did y'all just skip NL SP?

[@TheTEN24]

Hate seeing Pete get mentioned when Alvarez and Vientos didn’t, those guys have been way better and more impactful toward team success and position wise

[@RandallBalls]

If Bryce isn't your first baseman we riot. Edit : looks like we aren't rioting today boys

[@InteristaS5]

Sweet Inter Jersey bro!!

[@azwells]

Salvy has played a lot of 1b/DH

[@jacknelson6163]

The anti-Donavan/Burleson discrimination is too loud to ignore…

[@ashishkhatri2771]

Trev seriously putting up a dude with sub-.600 OPS last month against Altuve.

[@Whitt777]

Heliot Ramos must be a figment of my imagination

[@Ol-leps]

Trev we know what you meant and we appreciate ya

[@ilovesports410]

Go back yall did not think Gunnar was the guy but take credit if you want , you guys used to compare him and volpe LMFAO

[@thetruth9952]

No one though he was gonna be the next Arod before this season to be fair

[@garrett6865]

Didn’t they have Gunnar higher than trea turner before this year?

[@garrett6865]

That means nothing about Gunnar and more about them being high in volpe

[@ilovesports410]

@@garrett6865 lol 6’3 225 pound ss should of never been in same category as as slightly above avg defending volpe

[@psychokittytv4530]

@ 35: 50 - Having a 1.0 ops absolutely does not mean the player is essentially reaching first base every at bat. I'm pretty sure you actually know that, but saying that is bad info. They are having incredible years though. Now if the on base percentage itself was 1.0, then the batter is reaching at least first base each at bat.

[@RavensLand]

I think therefore I am is Descartes not Nietzsche lol

[@garrikdietz2670]

Man I’m glad Jake’s fit for the day reminded me to stay audio only lmao

[@CamoHSU2310]

Bochy isn’t really making a difference as manager. Everything seems off. Pitching staff, bats, fielding, injuries, etc.. Also 2023 was the Rangers first winning season since 2016. As a Rangers fan I’m happy they made the most of last year because it seems like we’re regressing back to where we were the better half of last decade.

[@justinbodenschatz3796]

Get trevs dad some shady rays man 🕶️🕶️🕶️

[@chrispalmer495]

Salvy and Bobbie should be starting the All Star game!

[@waltercampbell9787]

Salvy shouldn’t even be at the ASG he’s the third best catcher in the AL only

[@elendor3428]

I think therefore I am - Decartes. Not Nietzche 😉

[@westbronco9066]

How does Heliot Ramos get no love?

[@Chiefwackahomer]

CJ will come around. He’s made spectacular plays defensively. He’s just inconsistent.

[@paulhansel8407]

Not sure if baseball reference has framing statistics on there. But that’s the biggest defensive difference I’ve seen. I’ve seen lots of video of Salvy repeatedly give up on balls on corners, and have some horrific attempts at framing. I tried to find similar clips of Adley and they literally don’t exist. I think the dWAR difference is likely because Adley helps his pitchers out lots more than Salvy

[@dingo535]

I'm sure if they did some digging thy could have found a catcher with a higher OPS than .642 but I could be wrong. Also Plouffe, I won't say that Abrams is an elite defender but people are overreacting and cherry picking his bad plays to be haters no doubt. He is serviceable at the very least and even manages to flash on occasion. EDIT: Welp, I only checked one player and he was at .552 so perhaps Will Smith is the leader in the clubhouse.

[@asdfaeou]

The near misses always end up being on the teams with the most history of complaining about being overlooked in chat/comments.

[@adamletschin2509]

Perez started out hot as hell but has fizzled as of late. The cream has risen to the top, Adley is the better catcher.

[@wind_runner6836]

Adley hands down sorry WAR is actually a pretty intuitive stat that attempts to tell you how good you are compared to a regular average player. It is The number of runs above average a player is worth in his batting, baserunning and fielding + adjustment for position + adjustment for league + the number of runs provided by a replacement-level player / runs per win that is WAR. Also, the whole they are the same argument is destroyed by the WAR argument. Salvador will only give you an extra win and a half over your regular average player Adley is legit double that meaning Adley is worth TWO Salvadors IE Adley is twice as good.

[@JO-iv4xw]

Rene Descartes has entered the chat

[@Crashb1039]

Josh Smith should be an all star

[@randfaber9757]

riley greene has not been getting enough love

[@jordanloera7475]

What’s going on in Texas? It’s 1000°!! That’s what’s going on

[@bigbrother4059]

It’s hitting 113° in az this week I feel you lmao

[@jordanloera7475]

@@bigbrother4059 Oh I know the feeling! This heat is no joke

[@matthewpulizos3444]

@@bigbrother4059I’m from Wisconsin I have no idea how you Southern’s boys deal with that heat lol

[@bigbrother4059]

@@matthewpulizos3444 it goes both ways. Idk how yall are comfortable in weather less than 60° lol

[@schlootle]

How was Hunter Brown not even mentioned for AL pitcher of the month? Doesnt he have like 7 straight quality starts? Only 1 run in like the last 4 or so starts?

[@schlootle]

Or is this from the start of the season *through* June?

[@azwells]

Descartes. Not Nietzsche. SWORD

[@spencerb6908]

Once again, you guys refuse to give Will credit

[@RandallBalls]

Also Bryce will not miss enough time to lose out on MVP votes. They think he'll be back right after the All-Star break

[@Rytoast99]

Actually he is set to be back for the home Dodgers series. Its the same thing Marsh had. About a week and a half off

[@tommyryan8631]

fWAR accounts for catcher framing while bWAR does not

[@levisublett9877]

Bryan Reynolds got robbed smh

[@brianontiveros-kersch2412]

... Did you just fucking attribute "I think therefore I am" to NIETZSCHE?!

[@SharpwithanE]

For the algo

[@fourdollarfilms3749]

This is Heliot Ramos erasure

[@ilovesports410]

Santander 12 hrs in June ? And barley mentioned ahhh you actually don’t like orioles

[@Jarrodactor]

Tatis over Nimmo, but everything else is right.

[@ChanalogUnderground]

Descartes Jake!

[@ChanalogUnderground]

Nitsche famously said I think therefore I invent poetic metaphors for being horribly ultimately alone

[@ChanalogUnderground]

Never said this was a Philosophy pod, just sayin'

[@jgreen6142]

Naylor has 7 more homers and 10 more rbi this podcast is compromised

[@TrevorC90]

Higgy not being in the talk for NL Catcher is wild

[@MrGoodCat619]

Absolutely

[@samcrandall3094]

Not really, Higgy has less than half games played as Smith/Contreras and Higgy’s numbers are still pretty terrible apart from his slugging. Remember, the All JM is for the entire year, not just one month.

[@MrGoodCat619]

@samcrandall3094 Its in the title. "April-June All JM Team"

[@theedon501]

Forza Inter!

[@goldenchild14]

no love for mark vientos rip

[@sageg58]

Alvarez has 20 less ABs, but he was twice as good as smith and contreras

[@TouchingBasesPod]

1st view? And comment? Wooooooooow, nice timing.

[@weaver4prez900]

Rengifo erasure

[@SlurpCEO]

Gushing about Turang’s defense and not a mention of Ketel’s which has statistically been much better. Ketel has 1 more DRS (which is the closest part of their stats), UZR of 2.4 is better than Turang’s 0.1, 9 OAA to Turang’s 1, FRV 7 for marte and 1 for turang……

[@mx4159]

I don’t understand what salvy has over Adley… he’s favored here because he’s OLDER? How does that make any sensec

[@Bradley_Games]

1st

[@paytonsmall5030]

Found a way to screw over Will Smith again?! Incredible. Feels like an inside joke at this point. Best catcher over the past 4 years and he's ever won this monthly award? Ridiculous guys

[@Cvcarlson27]

Adley is better

[@shaun9848]

FORZA INTERNAZIONALE

[@jackiemoon5906]

The gay shit is just so overdone

[@tajsdiscord5952]

theres no way Joey Ortiz isnt the best 3B in the NL

[@breguera77]

Alec Bohm exists