Selfish or Stubborn? Judge Sala Hearing - Parents Failing miserably

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[@Potata_Potato]

Hearing that she was ready to go to a visit but changing her mind because it wasn’t the kid she liked was so heartbreaking. I hope those children get adopted out and have family that loves them.

[@helenhoward5346]

Wow, yeah the lack of self awareness and facade management just shows she doesn't need any child, preferred or not, in her care. Sickening.

[@lbpalexcool1]

Mom was tricked 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ Mom and Dad put themselves in this position and refuse to work the services to get their kids back…20 months these kids have been in limbo… Adopt them out give them families that will love them and value their lives🙏🙏🙏💕💕

[@sjones2195]

Omg!! That's horrible. She would ruin those chil if the courts send them ba😮ck. I wanted to knock her block off after reading this comment .

[@DocBree13]

I agree! How can she be so heartless?

[@Renae83]

Does she realize she just admitted to canceling a visit cause she thought it was with a different child?? How sick. I hope they keep her away from all of the children. She needs some serious help. 😞

[@---C_B---]

"Daddy" is a professional victim 🙄

[@Heavyisthecrown]

This woman is about to lose her kids… her lawyer asks her “anything you want to tell the court” and happily says no and smiles…. She should be sobbing BEGGING for a chance. It works I’ve seen judges give chances because the mom showed emotion and love and sorrow over the image of losing her kids…. When she said no… wow. What a psycho.. she is one that needs to be sterilized for the greater good

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

Sterilize them both

[@hoosierladyus48]

The Moms shirt, "it's called thinking, you should try it sometime" something she apparently doesn't do very well. These two are laying around having babies and don't want the responsibility of taking care of them. Why are they not on birth control? The kids definitely need to be adopted out.

[@liveformybabies1190]

I dont understand why parents like this, that don't do services, don't visit, don't just relinquish instead of going through all of this

[@beverlyhubbell6495]

I think it's a pride thing, what would people think if I did that. If they "let" the courts "take their children"/sever their rights then they can play the victim. "It's the courts fault they don't have their children not their fault, the court was againstthem, lied stole their children ect" 😏 Selfish ass people.

[@nb-user25]

You can always tell who the unfit parent is - they usually look really bored, are sitting in an inappropriate way, and just seem unkempt.

[@KansasCityScientologyAudit]

It sounds like they basically had a kid every yr or so. However, neither seems to want to parent. Mom's flat affect is very disturbing! When she says they tricked her & brought the wrong kid, it was clear her rights should be terminated. Dad acts like he needs a parent as opposed to IS a parent. These kids are better off where they are permanently. They need love & stability!

[@trickortrump3292]

Exactly. Does he make the doctor give him a gas card to bring his kid to an appointment?

[@snapvlogs9122]

Although I agree that she has no business being a mom, flat affect can be a side effect of antidepressants or a symptom of autism or even PTSD. Removing children from a loving parent (though certainly not the case here) would certainly cause PTSD. I was chastised for having flat affect during my involvement with CPS, but once the judge dismissed the case against me, my emotions immediately came flooding back. It was extremely hurtful to be called cold and uncaring when my brain was trying to protect itself. In this case, it appears straightforward, just saying things aren't always what they seem.

[@kerryadams9100]

Mom lays around while in court and doesn't seem to really want to engage with the services. Dad is a whiner.

[@patriciaevans5906]

I thought so too…..mom looks like she needs a blanket so she can nap….don’t see much interest in anything with her and dad is kinda whiny. People sure do love the part in making the babies but show little interest when actually taking care of children.

[@piva1358]

I have a friend who has 7 children and has never been investigated. I can be done when you don't do drugs and LOVE your offspring 😢😢😢😢😢

[@bethewalt7385]

Ummmm yeah, Duh...it's not the number of kids it's the quality of parenting, the average, responsible, loving family NEVER has cps in their lives, most all people never experience that, if you think it's unusual for someone not to be investigated that's weird, it's normal to be not investigated, you sound like you need to rise up and choose who you hang out with more thoughtfully, bizarre

[@DeviceAnathema]

Woooow is your friend super irresponsible.

[@MirandaWrights1024]

Most moms we see at this point in their hearings are emotional to some extent. Ms. Estes seems like she has no feelings at all towards all these kiddos. 🤬🤬

[@OnTropolis]

The only time she had any sort of passion was when she was complaining that they "tricked" her by setting up a visit with the wrong child. Out of everything, that's the part that has me hopping

[@lighthouse5891]

She looks buzzed.

[@patriciaevans5906]

Agree….

[@OnTropolis]

Her flat affect is very concerning

[@piva1358]

Dad should be neutered 😮😮😮😮

[@yvonned627]

The mom looks 16 years old. I would think that her maturity level is at that level. The fact that she has five children is so very sad for all involved. I hope they remain in their stable and loving homes.

[@KansasCityScientologyAudit]

I agree some CPS workers really don't work to reunify families, and there is bias in their reports. They are overwhelmed with high case loads and burned out. However, neither of these parents are financially able to care for these kids, they don't have transportation, & aren't putting forth any real effort with any kind of urgency, to see their kids or get them back. I don't think Mom even wants all of the kids back, just the oldest one, her favored child. These kids deserve stability & love!!

[@lilybug246]

The judge is watching mom who looks totally bored and disinterested. She is so young and has five children. She looks 17. So sad.

[@ShoeChic5441]

They have how many kids??? These two are not adults, and their attorneys are inabliing both of them. Why should the burden be on the state.

[@lbpalexcool1]

AKA Hardworking Americans!! We are supporting them and their kids, I’ll pay for birth control! not support them while they sit on their butts doing nothing…. Get 2 jobs each and get your kids back…

[@ShoeChic5441]

In my opinion, 😢neither one of the parents want their kids back

[@shebaspurling605]

Okay, let's give them a home,car, gas, food and everything else so they can continue to live off the system. How crazy is this system.

[@lilybug246]

That’s why they have so many kids. If the benefits amounts were capped after two or three children, a lot of these issues including neglect would be reduced drastically. In MN, the amount of money and services per child is nuts. They would be making a lot of money, free rent, food, utilities, day care, schooling plus cash per child. We have people move there because of this.

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

​@lilybugthepatriot7019 benefits are capped once you're on. On the vast majority, if not all, states, you get cash benefits for the kids you have at the time of applying. Any kid born after so many months, 10, i think, of you being on cash aid gets no cash benefits. You could get perhaps food stamps or medicaid but no money. Some states cap the number of kids they'll give you cash aid for from the get go and there's a national cap on how long anyone over the age of 18 can get cash benefits. You get 2 years TOTAL over your lifetime. After that you will no longer get cash benefits no matter what.

[@lilybug246]

@@ingloriousbetch4302 There is no cap in MN. At least there never used to be.

[@annelynch9217]

It should be that, if you have a child after going on public assistance, all of your benefits get taken away. They shouldn’t be allowed to have more than one, if they do, they should be on their own. Watch how quick these girls learn about birth control. I speak from experience when I say, if you don’t want to have kids, you won’t. People don’t get pregnant by accident, they get pregnant by not trying not to.

[@ashleysasmr4649]

Are you serious, these parents get given gas cards to go to their OWN children's doc Apts and still can't make it. I'm blown away. That speaks volumes to the type of parents these are.

[@magi267]

Mom lolling around for the whole hearing. If she was interested in getting her kids back she would be in court in person.

[@danaetscorn9203]

You never disappoint me. Every morning I wake up to another great video from you. Thank you.

[@SydneyBooksMusic]

These kids need to be adopted and stabilized. But something is wrong with mom. I’m worried about her.

[@sydneysovern]

Why do people like these two even go through all of this? Just surrender your children and admit you don’t want to care for them. They’re using so much of CPS’s time and energy and don’t even try to complete their services. They’re wasting everyone’s time just so they can save their own ego and pretend they give a shit. I’m so angry and sad for those poor kids.

[@CaliMishell]

We won’t be giving out a Mom of the Year award today 😔

[@ShoeChic5441]

Or Dad of the year

[@traceymcdonald7949]

So if the case goal is adoption on all kids and these parents are refusing to work any of their treatment plan why in TF are they wasting time and resources dragging this out? This is a huge issue with CPS. They take kids and seem to give parents who have no interest in getting their kids back a ridiculous amount of time to finally do something all while the kids are stuck in limbo and every day they stay there the harder it will be for them to heal. Yet in cases where the parents are doing everything they ask and more they want to drag their feet and move the goal posts seemingly trying to trip them up so they lose their kids. It all comes back to the agency using these kids to get as much state and federal funding as possible. And it just so happens that kids that end up being adopted out get them the most money. It is gross to keep often traumatized children in the system so that they can cash in. If it is clear after 6 months the parents aren't going to be involved fast track terminating their rights and starting the adoption process. But I am afraid they would use that to sever rights of parents who don't deserve it. The system is broken

[@Beautiful_Mess]

If Mom couldn’t raise five, Mom should’ve not given life to five. It doesn’t appear she truly cares at all about any of the children. What these parents don’t understand is that this situation, these visits, these services, are all temporary. Nobody should have to subject these kids to video visits, and maybe an in person visit when the parents feel like it. 21 months? It’s time to fish or cut bait with these two.

[@shelldeluca]

I hate when parents turn off cameras. They are in court. Court should be able to see them at all times.

[@nb-user25]

I really don’t get why anyone wants to have kids and fight for them in court when they really don’t seem to care about the kids’ well-being.

[@marciemac7641]

I think, at a certain point, when you have this many kids, and/or they are in the system numerous times and they are not doing the work to get them back, parents need to not be able to breed ever again. Harsh, I know. Too many little ones are being born, on drugs, suffering from SA, beaten and abused and killed.

[@annelynch9217]

I agree. If they’re not responsible enough to only bring children into this world when they can afford to take care of them, they should not be allowed to bring children into this world. Don’t have to be sterilized, they have to have their tubes side. If they want them untied, they have to be able to pay for it themselves or have private insurance to pay for it. If they do have it reversed, they should understand that they will get absolutely ZERO public assistance from that point forward. The children can be provided with health insurance and food, appropriate for children. No cash benefits, no insurance for mom, no food for mom, no gas cards or anything else. Only what is appropriate for the children.

[@aedmo1952]

Wow these lazy, victim playing "parents" They need rides & paid & their demands met while they do nothing but blame everyone for not accommodating their needs! I adopted my grandsons & would never recommend guardianship. I am sure these "parents" could get themselves where they want when they want but oh give me a ride to see the kids or else. Incredible! These poor kids & the family having to deal with this/them bs!

[@marlayneboblett1267]

Wow, the mother left screen gor awhile, then returned at end of testimonies looking like she needs sleep. Winder what she did in the meantime. Father does not look stable at the moment either. Him not attending AA, but his own type of treatment surprised me. Poor kids!

[@justanothersmith6012]

This sounds like an adversary hearing at the beginning of the case , not a case that’s been going on for 21 months

[@charwalker26]

So many wasted resources and opportunities even if you don’t get your children back at least you could come out a little better and get visits this is sad

[@shelldeluca]

I have 5 boys, oldest four are very close in age - my house was very busy & boys are boys BUT they were never running wild, unruly, unsafe or out of control. That is parenting. I don't like that the mom's atty suggested, no one can handle this many kids. If that's the case- mom shouldn't have had more than she can handle.

[@misperception985]

Dear God!!!! How much assistance for almost 2 years do deadbeat parents need to receive off the taxpayers back to pull it together for YOUR kids? I'm sorry, but the parents & the kids are being supported by the taxpayers....this is ridiculous! If these parents can't pull it together with all the assistance CPS has offered them in 2 years.....these children need to be adopted into responsible mature homes. These parents should never procreate as they can't manage their own lives...much less, managing children! It begs the question....why is the taxpayer responsible for this ridiculousness? Why are we being made to fund people who are deadbeats? Who funds me? ....I DO!.... BY WORKING A JOB & BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR MY CHILDREN & TAKING CARE OF ALL THEIR NEEDS & SOME OF THEIR WANTS!!! I find this system to be outrageous!!!

[@californiadreamer2580]

Can't speak to other states, but in CA parents would have both mental health and substance abuse evaluations first, if having no prior history of such assessments before CPS became involved. For example, if someone is experiencing untreated Bipolar disorder, while drinking on top of that, "domestic violence" counseling isn't likely to help much ,although it certainly could be be very helpful after the first two are addressed. As was stated here, it's difficult to prepare a reasonable service plan without these basic assessments.

[@NickiNickiNineDoor]

Super good point!!

[@deniseedodson1938]

Not any of these parents can talk about what happens to the heart of a child "mommy or daddy don't show up". People have children and think its only about them. Nothing matters but laying your eyes on that child.

[@North_West1]

Even worse when mom shows up to sibling one on one visits, but not you. Siblings feel the favoritism.

[@Rockinrobynification]

What really annoys me with this case is the closing argument by the father’s lawyer. She blames the case workers for lack of referrals, and says you can’t expect him to seek these on his own? I would think any person wanting their kids back would do everything they could, follow their service plan, make all the phone calls. It’s called initiative. That father needs to try harder

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

At that point, he just needed to try AT ALL

[@North_West1]

Early on CPS did arrange assessment and services with CMH (community mental health). Dad didn’t like or agree with the CMH plan as refused to agree with service plan.

[@lbpalexcool1]

Kids having babies and these babies will pay the price for their egg/sperm donors actions 😢😢 give them to parents who will love them more then they love themselves 💕💕💕

[@MrsBees]

I'm sorry but at what point do the parents take accountability for themselves. Dad needs rides or gas cards 20 months into this case.

[@corinnem]

"I'm looking in to it."

[@stephendowling9050]

He's totally lame.

[@SarahJohnson-vq7qi]

let me clip my toenails.. Disgusting. May both parents have the life they deserve..

[@North_West1]

I gave up on mom, when she canceled a one on one visit because it wasn’t the child she wanted to spend more time with. After assessments, Dad refusing to agree to a CMH (state paid for) treatment plan put me off. Is it the worker’s responsibility to arrange multiple providers for dad to choose a the assessment he likes? No. He was free to seek out another provider and pay for it. IF dad HAD engaged with celebrate recovery vs AA, the CPS/court not have a preference one over other. Not that my opinion matters…but IMO parents just want grandma to get guardianship so they can hold it over her and get their way.

[@t.c.8212]

Ms. Estes looks like they interrupted her sleep 🤦‍♀️her picking at her nails is annoying

[@smartmama7928]

She looks young

[@t.c.8212]

@@smartmama7928 so she got hella kids

[@ShoeChic5441]

Great job Judge

[@momsterzz]

I have the utmost respect for judge Sala

[@DemonsSister]

My goodness, Ms. Estes looks SO YOUNG to have 4 KIDS!!! Did she have a singleton and a set of triplets?

[@rosamariamendoza1466]

Is Judge Salas observing the mom on her monitor? She keeps looking towards the left ,where I think her monitor is .

[@magi267]

How did they get themselves in this situation? 4 kids, no home, no car, domestic violence, alcohol and drug use. He has a job, she can get a job while the kids are in a safe house and she can save money. They should do their services and maybe they'll get their kids back.

[@piva1358]

Drugs

[@justanothersmith6012]

5 kids-the oldest has a different father and was placed with him.

[@justanothersmith6012]

@@AnotherOpinionatedIdiot Mom recently moved to her dad’s house.Because there are other adults in the home with open CPS cases , it’s not a suitable, stable home for her kids. At one point I thought I heard it was her father with an open CPS case , but I could be mistaken.

[@lilybug246]

5 kids

[@stephendowling9050]

It's already 20 months. How long should these kids wait for these 2 to do anything? Dad resists, plays a blame game and won't check his emails. It is not fair to the children to be on perpetual hold.

[@-HeyLyd-]

Has anyone ever seen Atty Berger do anything more than 'phone it in' with her representation? I'm not defending mom here, but Berger is supposed to be. You can't even stir yourself to do some kind of closing statement highlighting those few good things mom has done? She always appears to be distracted with something else in hearings and just goes through the motions with her questioning. Really sub-par representation.

[@OnTropolis]

I have, but only when she's been the ad litem, or working for a parent who is engaged and doing well. I have actually seen passion from her in those cases.

[@-HeyLyd-]

@@OnTropolis Thanks, that's interesting to know. Lawyers are trained to vigorously advocate their client's position, regardless of their own personal inclination. If the quality of her advocacy is dependant upon whether she thinks her client is doing well, I reiterate that this is sub-par representation, if not worse. There were arguments to be made on the mom's behalf here, but Berger didn't lift a finger. Lawyers assigned in CPS cases aren't supposed to be window dressing to give the appearance of representation, but to provide actual representation. Dad's a total mess, yet his lawyer took the time to investigate the records and make an argument.

[@Beautiful_Mess]

@@-HeyLyd-I feel like she knows Mom is a lost cause. Moms not trying, so what could Ms Berger actually defend? I do understand your point, but if Mom can’t give her anything to work with, it’s hard to defend her I imagine.

[@-HeyLyd-]

@@Beautiful_Mess If ever a lawyer decides to give up on their client, they need to file a motion to withdraw and allow another attorney to take over, an attorney who understands their ethical obligation. This mother is no prize, but she's actually nowhere near as bad as some we've seen; and, whatever the case, there is no excuse for an attorney to be so disengaged that you don't even bother to make a closing argument.

[@MrsBees]

For dad's lawyer to say that the dad had no chance to be reunited is laughable. I understand she's suppose to fight for her client but c'mon.

[@Luvacanuck]

Psychopathy anyone?

[@laureljenkins1208]

Good grief...at this point in the case and neither parent has their act together..Seriously weird situation or explanation?..as to why she didn't visit with her children when Brooke was not first...huh? Also, the lame accusation that worker picking on her when kids running in parking lot...I also thought the lawyer did the client no favour by disparaging the Caseworker...The nonsense re not being evicted but behind in rent etc. Frankly, these children are young and seem extremely cute..I bet some lucky folks who cannot make a baby would be thrilled to adopt..NB Is there not Planned Parenthood or method of birth control available ..

[@trickortrump3292]

1:00:27 I guarantee it went like this-He got irate because he wasn’t going to see his favourite child on her birthday. He pitched a fit. Threatened to cancel the visit with the two other kids. Calmed his ass down and went ahead with the visit. The worker wrote in the report “He chose to visit with his two children” to document that the visit ultimately happened despite his temper tantrum. He read that and misinterpreted it, thinking she was saying that he chose to only visit with the two and subconsciously threw in the word “only” when he repeated the story. I’d bet my home if we saw the report it would not say “He chose to ONLY visit with two of the children.” He’s not even lying, he just misinterpreted a sentence. His lawyer should’ve caught that before getting him to testify about it.

[@OnTropolis]

Yea that whole thing was ridiculous. Even if he hadn't pitched a fit about not seeing the one child.. the documentation of choosing to visit the two children was just a fact share, not a criticism like they tried to spin

[@lynneferraccio8843]

I would love to see them show him that page!

[@annelynch9217]

This woman canceled the visitation because it wasn’t with the child she liked? This case should be over right now. She should lose any and all parental rights. NO MORE CHANCES!

[@californiadreamer2580]

Someone needs to let dad know that bicycles are also considered "transportation" if one needs to come and go for a job. No car or bus necessary!

[@DeviceAnathema]

Not everyone has the ability. For example, Scoliosis. Many people with it can still walk but cannot use other transport, especially a bike. Something you should keep in mind. Nothing mentioned that being an issue here, but it's certainly not a rarity.

[@californiadreamer2580]

@@DeviceAnathema actually bicycle riding is often a recommended exercise for people with scoliosis too with a properly fitted bicycle, depending on the severity of the scoliosis.

[@lynneferraccio8843]

I cannot believe the father’s lawyer expects CPS to hold His hand to call services, to get his crap together! It is not CPS job to provide transportation! If you want your kids back, then it is incumbent on you to be an adult and do your damn job!!

[@Angelface11]

Is this all from Texas? I think this is the way they should do most cases is on zoom and I like that it's handled so quickly and doesn't leave children lingering in the system, also having more transparency with CPS and what happens to children is definitely needed because bad things hide in the dark and we have everything in the light then they can't be doing anything sketchy

[@OnTropolis]

Judge Sala is in Lenawee county Michigan

[@Angelface11]

​@@OnTropolisI'm in Michigan we have a lot of bad CPS issues here. I'm glad to see that so much of this is coming out I hope they maintain the zoom thing actually for this reason. Having court on record is a pretty good thing.

[@Beautiful_Mess]

I believe Texas gives parents 12 months flat. You don’t get it together by then, you lose your children.

[@stephendowling9050]

This case is nearing 2 years.

[@weaselrippedmyflesh]

Mom lying in bed at the end. I guess all this court stuff interrupted her afternoon nap.

[@jenmar001]

The parents’ lawyers are enablers. It’s no secret that whining, disparaging the caseworkers & doing absolutely nothing to get the kids back isn’t the best plan.

[@sierraalexandra7630]

Parents whose rights are subject to termination are by law entitled to a court-appointed attorney. These lawyers are literally just doing their jobs.

[@jenmar001]

@@sierraalexandra7630 I understand. It’s just hard to watch sometimes & yet here I am getting ready to watch another case lol.

[@Angelface11]

Lawyers can't really enable you they have to do a good job or they can lose their license or have a case overturned. Unfortunately a lot of lawyers are actually pretty terrible in the court appointed sector. But I suppose they don't want things overturned when it comes to kids so lawyers better be good

[@joogle3328]

Are you aware of any way to access recordings of parental rights termination trials in Washington state.

[@Beautiful_Mess]

You can request those through FOIA. However, there are some restrictions as it relates to minors, victims, etc.

[@sharonbroadbent8138]

So he expects to be picked up and taken to every appointment. To see his daughter on her birthday, regardless if something else was planned. Mum cancelled visits, because she was tricked into seeing the wrong child. This is about what's best for the kids not the parents.

[@lizsaitta3037]

Oh the poor dad. NOT!! If you wanted to take the services to get your kiddos back, you would have. 😢 Neither parent is serious or seem eager to conclude the CPS case. Watching mom & dad during this hearing, painted a clear picture of both of them. Mom looked like she might painting her toenails most of the time. Dad looked like had zoned out several times. Grow up parents!! 😢really sad for the kids. 😊

[@lynneferraccio8843]

What kind of parents are these that get mad when the “wrong” child is brought to visit? Does the father really believe CPS actually would lie about visit schedules? Always someone else’s fault!

[@jsthecat]

Children need to be adopted out, eventually is not good enough for those kiddos, mummy dearest. It breaks my heart once again deadbeat parents not giving a hoot about what is best for the children. Get your sh#t together.

[@jenniferbangerter5128]

Dad reminds me of an 18 in June complaining he isn’t graduating and asking for homework assigned in January. Can I do extra credit ?

[@heathermariesmith5267]

If my son was taken away it would be like a god forbid death to me so when I see these parents going threw this process ( no fault but their own) it blows my mind to see these parent's take it so lightly. Nobody has the best interest of a child than a loving , caring parent. I swear some of the look at this time as a relief or break. If it ever happened to me it would be the most intense time ensuring I get my child out. The resources these parents get in.these larger states is insane. In Rhode island just.hpusing is a 10/15 yr wait. Yes Sec 8 is a 10/15 yr wait. So once they get it's for life as long as you follow the rules and a lot don't. They allow others to move in , fail to pay their minimum ( as low as 25$ monthly) or completely trash it. These landlords have to keep these properties to a standard.if someone gave me free housing I would scrub the driveway of needed . Idk I just.dont get it

[@laureljenkins1208]

Is it possible Mom and Dad are missing a few IQ points....? The behaviour, finances etc etc seem to speak to a SPECIAL situation...as in never able to look after these children realistically..maybe she's a product of foster care?

[@blessedmommy7349]

I’m trying to figure out what is wrong with children being “hyper” or “unwound” after a visit

[@sjones2195]

Idk about Brooklyn but he other children should be adopted out for sure .

[@jaja-cg9yd]

It's called parenting. You should try it sometime.

[@LaZeeWitch]

12:50 is anyone else seeing mum doing a half middle finger at the court here or is it just me?

[@leeann142001]

nah, she didnt. just the way she was holding her hand.

[@robynxenis]

It’s really sad how he talks about negative things he felt about himself when he couldn’t see his dad. And now making excuses as to why he can’t be a present dad.

[@smartmama7928]

You have to be really careful in choosing the AA/NA meetings that you go to. My son went to NA meetings with a bunch of people doing their court ordered 30 in 30 meetings. When leaving the meetings they would all go outside and get high. Not a good meeting group.

[@oppositewolf]

so let me get this straight......the younger children have a hard time with the 'video visits'..well because of their age NOT because the parent/s are doing something wrong in said visits...but "we do not recommend in person visits" she says at the same time...um....what? 21:59 So its just a simple--write these people off because its such a bother....WHY does CPS work against trying to help young parents in every way possible BEFORE turning to this pompous entity in the courtroom, and actually having adopting out in mind all along.....do these folks get a some kind of kick-back when parental rights are terminated?

[@heyitsMD]

They couldn’t recommend in person visits because the parents often don’t show up. When they do, the children are at risk of physical harm because parents can’t safely manage all four kids. CPS is driving them to appointments, giving them gas cards, applying for food stamps…even reminding the parents to write birthday cards! These people are pathetic.

[@MeaghanTamara]

​@@heyitsMDUnfortunately, she looks young enough to just have another tribe of children.

[@Renae83]

It's been 2 years.. How much longer do they need to get it together??

[@tracyterry3852]

I don't like Ms. Berger. She seems to do the bare minimal for clients. Appears lazy

[@OnTropolis]

When she has a parent who is engaged and has something to work with she's very different. I've seen her passionate as a lawyer for the child, and a couple cases representing parents. Most of the time tho, you're right, she seems checked out

[@kimhamilton9804]

It’s a bit hard, she just doesn’t have anything positive to work with!

[@victoriag5617]

Are are there prior cases with these parents? And if so, are you able to link them together?

[@lynneferraccio8843]

Did I hear right? When he went to Abby’s dr. appt she said hi daddy-but they have been removed for 2’years??????

[@peapotfairy]

1:06:33 I think he said "Easter"

[@beverlyhubbell6495]

He said Easter not Tuesday, later confirms Easter was his last drink (Not that it really makes any difference nor does it make the statement true but he said Easter :) )

[@TheWeiner4]

31:00 wth, what a heatless biha.

[@gayledrewry3727]

Have the two parents never heard of birth control, let’s see I don’t want one kid what should I do, oh I know have a bunch more,so I an screw up several lives

[@barelyoperational6587]

1:06:38 I heard Easter?

[@OnTropolis]

Ah yes I hear it now!

[@tracyterry3852]

Why were children removed?

[@MrsBees]

DV

[@robynxenis]

Maybe different in the states but in Canada diapers only go up to size 6 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@OnTropolis]

I'm in Ontario and we have Pampers up to size 8 in swaddlers and cruisers. They also have pull-ups and good nights into bigger sizes and underjams go up quite large in their large and xl

[@gayledrewry3727]

You don’t need a crutch but yet you need gas cards and transportation to and from treatment

[@gino007able]

I don't know if he has a drug problem. His drinking may be a problem. These people want you to bend a knee and kiss the ring and do as you are told or your not getting the kids back. I don't see why they have to give any thing to the foster mom, she is collecting a check for her services and if everything works out for the foster mom she will be rewarded with the kids. I am just being honest.

[@laurahoshaw7188]

🤐

[@jenniferbangerter5128]

Wait they 5 children?

[@jenniferbangerter5128]

4 kids ? What ?

[@stephendowling9050]

5

[@blessedmommy7349]

This mom has a lot of work to do but kids climbing on tables and running in the parking lot seems like typical child behaviours and it feels like this was a set up in a way because no parent can manage more than 2 kids at a time to get them in the car

[@OnTropolis]

Parents who choose to have that many children need to be competent to manage them. Sure, the behaviour might be normal but mom not being able to keep them safe is a problem

[@angiecalderon2078]

Mom looks board

[@Angelface11]

When I see cases like this I see a lot of spiritual issues like demonic issues and strongholds and they can be set free of these but also they need to know they don't have to have children. I have to really do something strange to you to have kids and go through all that and then not want them I mean it's not exactly easy for a lot of us to be pregnant and go through so much and go through the birth and this girl definitely seems like a lot going on mentally if she's that disconnected in it I can't imagine how dramatic it would be to have so many kids and then lose them and whatever else is going on is clearly a lot. Just know that having kids with somebody doesn't mean they'll stay with you and if you went through abuse before and after pregnant that can really do a number on you you can be very disconnected from reality. I hope she just stops having kids and gets herself well mentally. I have nothing to say about the guy, bum.

[@Gwentheferret]

No, insanity is NOT "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I can think of so many situations where that wouldn't apply. Still like watching your videos, though, and the comments that pop up on the screen. Although I usually am looking away from the screen, working on chores or crocheting, so sometimes don't see them. 🤓

[@gayledrewry3727]

Bus

[@Heavyisthecrown]

Attorney Abigail Berger’ as weird neck stretched and nose rubbing is so weird…. Doesn’t she know we can see her.. wtf