Semitic Norman DNA DEBUNKED

Norman origins.
Were the Normans French or were they Vikings? DNA may reveal the answers but so far only two studies have looked at Norman DNA and there are problems with both. In this video I look at two Norman Y haplogroup studies to see what we can learn and I debunk the claim that J2a in Europe comes from "ancient Semitic kings"
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Sources:
Rasheed, M E H & Montgomery, Eric & Youseffi, Mansour. (2023). The human Y-Chromosome DNA haplogroup of the Norman kings of England and their families. Journal of Physics Conference Series.
Historical Genetics of the Cotenin Peninsula
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Margaryan, A., Lawson, D.J., Sikora, M. et al. Population genomics of the Viking world. Nature 585, 390-396 (2020)
Montgomery, H., 'The God-Kings of the Vikings' 2010
00:00 who are the Normans?
01:24 Norman haplogroup study 2016
07:42 Historic Mail
09:29 Do Normans descend from Semitic kings?
17:36 Is J2 a Semitic haplogroup?

[@iforbach4003]

Sure am tired of these people lying about my people's history.

[@MartinWillett]

Imagine how the Egyptians feel.

[@Neocolast]

This is a cultural assault

[@RUMPLEforeskin25]

Zhids are evil.

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

@@MartinWillettLol which do you mean-the genozidaI Arab invaders or the Chalcolithic Sub-Saharan Engineers?

[@Harib_Al-Saq]

The native Coptics.​@@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist

[@JoshuaPerkins-by2rj]

Don’t you just love how people in studies like this like to pull information or stop studies when it suits their agenda. You countered this really well Tom with deep and wide facts that we have up to date. Thank you for the video👍

[@micro4444]

when when when can we see the real data for so many studies

[@GardaOrban]

post-Soviet anti-Semites of Orbanus have the same runic writing, which they say is proto-Hungarian. Mainly taxi drivers, but Kövér the spiritual leader of Orbánism and Orban himself promote this pseudo-scientific misconception

[@nikobellic570]

Big food and big pharma also make health studies support their products! You can make research say anything if you want to and the public will lap it up

[@RalphEllis]

The Norman were Vikings. The Vikings came from Scotland. The Scots and lrish came from Egypt. Read Scotichronicon, the ancient chronicle of the Scots. Or my book ‘Scota, Egyptian Queen of the Scots.’. Queen Scota was Ankhesenamun, the daughter of Akhenaton. Note: The Amarna dynasty of Akhenaton was white-ginger. You can see the mummies of Yuya and Tuyu in the Egyptian museum. This is true ginger, not a henna dye. R

[@verenatuna9010]

​​@@RalphEllis So, were they the Hyksos then - in your opinion? At least, they were foreigners in Egypt, weren't they? So, still the question remains where were they were originally from? And - were they (Hyksos) of Semitic origin like many scientists claim? And - are the terms "Semitic" and "Indo-Aryan" actually interchangeable / the same? Are they (haplogroups R and J/IJ) two split groups of one and the same (Semitic) origin? I know a different version of the Scota-story: It says, Scota and Tea Tephi were the two remaining kids of the last king of Judah (Mattanyah or Babylonian: Zedekiah), who fled from the Babylonians to Egypt (along with the prophet Jeremiah) - and from there, they went to Scotland.... could there be some truth about this story and was the royalty of Judah maybe somehow related to the Akhenaton dynasty?

[@delbertstringbreaker7686]

There is nothing scarier than people trying to suppress reality because of 'reasons'.

[@Occident.]

Oy vey.

[@violenceislife1987]

For real, what interest would an archeologist have in pop culture politics? He needs to do his job and not wokeism.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes). In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance. The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam. Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism. It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world. In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra. El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia. It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus. The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu. The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.) Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea. The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC. _Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19. The name "Pharoah" means "Great House" or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic. "As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila. The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on. Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island. The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years. Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar" When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze. Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts. Esus was a character created by Joseph of Arimathea, who was a Celt, the King of Tyre, the Bible is the Phoenician Almanac, Esus the God of Death, Polaris, the Pole Star. It's written backwards, in a mirror, just as Egyptians made their astrological records, the Zodiac.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Jesus was a creation of Joseph of Arimathea, a curse upon Rome. He's the Author, or Arthur, who pulls the Cross from the Stone; the guy with a feather, or Scribe's pen, hence the Pen is mightier than the Sword. E Io te Ari Matea is also a figure in Maori mythology in New Zealand, which aligns to the Zodiac, and the Southern Cross, and is forty degrees south of the equator. They also have He Uenuku Atua, or Rainbow spirit, a reference to the Unicorn, and Jesus, and worship Papatunuku, the Great Earth Mother, also worshipped by the Phrygians of Anatolia as El Pipitunaka, or Titikaka, which is also found in Teotihuacan, along with Amarru Marru, and in New Zealand Oamaru And best yet, in the western part of the North Island sits Taranaki, which means Northern Star The Bible is an almanac encoding a world map, including New Zealand, Hyperborea, or Elysium, the Underworld of Hades, and the secret home of the Phoenicians. Maori having a character called Maui, or the Navigator, alligning to Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign which lasts 18 days (3x6) and the Manger or Cave in which Jesus was born and died in. Maui plants two eels, just as Osiris planted two serpents, which sprouted into pillars, like Sampson, or Moses, picking up the Serpent Staff of Pharoahs. Ophiuchus being the Serpent Bearer, just as Jesus represents Hephaestus, or the Brazen/ Rainbow Serpent of the Dream time. Maui also slows the sun, just as Joshua in the Bible, in a battle campaign that aligns with that of Tutmoses III, and his battle with Jericho, aka Megiddo, in which he used a Goat Track, which relates to Capricorn, and we also find in the tale of Sparta. Cap as in Capstone, or Headstone, or Altar of Ra, the Holy Grail atop the Mountain of Moses, or Great Pyramid, the Holy Mountain of Hermon. Now if you impose a Star of David and align the central axis to the North and South poles, and flip it upside down, you have exactly what the Bible describes as the transition of the Age of Pisces into Aquarius, and the zenith of Orion, the Root of the Zodiac or Tree of Knowledge And Maori again have a Forest God called Tane, who separated the Sky God from the Earth Goddess, his position is no different to that of Atlas, propping up the world by his shoulders. Jews were Celts, and Celts settled New Zealand and mapped it out at least 5000 years ago, at the period of Ireland's Megalithic period. New Zealand being a land of only birds, which Celts saw as sacred, and great trees like the Kauri, not unlike Menkauri pyramid. Great for ship masts, and plenty of flax to make sails for Aladdin's flying carpet (Sailing ship). Aladdin being King Solomon, his mines being the astrological knowledge that put them centuries ahead of Rome Sadly in 200AD lake Taupo (Night of Tau, Taurus) erupted and buried the entire island, very few survived, but some did, and their ancestors are still around to this day. They have the same language and stories as Palestinians, who speak Aramaic, like Jesus, and E Io te Ari Matea Which means the clear first month of the Calendar, and relates to Tammuz Hence the call in the Wilderness, Pan, E Io Matea calling out to his people Come out, come out of here my people, and so shall she deliver of of ye yea, up up up unto me, and in so that I might bring of ye yea some comfort.

[@violenceislife1987]

@@Uncanny_Mountain amazing

[@zachariahjock91190]

I am 98 percent northwest European. My family is of the Noble line of De Lalonde. We were part of the first 10,000 settlers of Quebec and they were all from Normandy.

[@olfer07]

La majorité des 10 plus grandes familles québécoises sont normandes. Le Québec est, à toute fin pratique, une colonie normande.

[@PortugalZeroworldcup]

Does Georges Bizet, Joseph ducreux, Edith piaf, rene Descartes, Camille saint saens, Charles Garnier, Voltaire, Paul landowski august rodin, edgard varese, Claude Monet, Paul Cezanne Henri Matisse, represent you ??

[@olfer07]

@@PortugalZeroworldcup what do you mean by that? His ancestors came to Nouvelle-France before all these people were born, except Descartes

[@kiuk_kiks]

You’ll probably settle down and marry an Asian woman. White men are obsessed with them for whatever reason despite being anti-immigrant.

[@RalphEllis]

The Norman were Vikings. The Vikings came from Scotland. The Scots and lrish came from Egypt. Read Scotichronicon, the ancient chronicle of the Scots. Or my book ‘Scota, Egyptian Queen of the Scots.’. Queen Scota was Ankhesenamun, the daughter of Akhenaton. R

[@wodensreign9839]

"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elder berries!"

[@petuniasevan]

I always laughed at this Monty Python skit, because the insult is actually pretty serious. In modern parlance: "Your mother was a slut, and your father was a drunk!"

[@CharlieBrownZero]

Just look at the authors and the publication, absolute pottery.

[@Anglisc1682]

Yeah they seem TOTALLY trustworthy, don't they? Lol

[@hasajada6863]

Absolute underwater basket weaving studies.😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉

[@grimnirthehoodedone3354]

Based

[@sporter527]

hmmmmmmmmm

[@RalphEllis]

The Norman were Vikings. The Vikings came from Scotland. The Scots and lrish came from Egypt. Read Scotichronicon, the ancient chronicle of the Scots. Or my book ‘Scota, Egyptian Queen of the Scots.’. Queen Scota was Ankhesenamun, the daughter of Akhenaton. Note: The Amarna dynasty of Akhenaton was white-ginger. You can see the mummies of Yuya and Tuyu in the Egyptian museum. This is true ginger, not a henna dye. R

[@QuadrivialArts]

That French accent was so good I was almost certain Jacques Declosmenil was in the room with you. Also the look of glee on your face as you repeat quotes which are intended by their author to be grand revelations (i.e. Mesopotamian origins) is absolutely priceless.

[@maryhaddock9145]

He is fantastic isn't he?

[@sravasaksitam]

lol what it was terrible

[@webwarrior1.038]

"Oi vey I wanted to be related to the perfect people but now you've foiled my plan!"

[@Mr.Skeleton.]

*Truly are the spawn of satan, the Bible got that right over 2000 years ago yet they still claim to be the chosen ones. It’s laughable.*

[@RayRahu]

"Now that we are the same people, let me tell you what is in 'our' best interest~" *hand rubbing intensifies*

[@MrVvulf]

Moses coming down from the mountain - "I bring you these 15... "Oi"...10. These 10 genetic markers." - paraphrased from scene in "History of the World, Part 1"

[@Esotericwisdom1848]

Knew what the authors were before I even saw them

[@AyatollahS.A.Khamenei]

*study made by arabs* , *proceeds to instantly blame da jooooze*

[@tyburn1493]

Amusing and sad to see that the ridiculousness of the "British Israelite" craze of the powerful families of the late 19th century still continues. Another place you can see this in action is the lists of charitable trust funds, so many prioritise Jewish causes over indigenous ones despite being entirely Anglo in nature. Presumably a result of the nobility seeing which way the wind was blowing a few centuries ago and attempting to get in on the game, to their own discredit.

[@matthewwood2638]

See book "When Scotland was Jewish," in which 12 families of central Tennessee belonging to the "Melungeon" hillbilly minority group discover that they are Y chromosome descendants of Sephardic Jews who came from Scotland. Completely unexpected. You decide whether Alexander Montgomery, shown in the video, looks like a Jew or a Scot.

[@Chiefofpretania]

I personally directly descend from a Frankish-Breton noble (the son of a Frankish man and Breton upper class woman) who participated in the Normon conquest of England. I was found with the Ydna Haplogroup R1b-U106 which is common among all Germanic peoples. I think it’s safe to say that this “article” was used as anti-European propaganda to spread confusion among other Europeans. This was a subversive attack on Europeans who appreciate history and geneology and I have a feeling that papers like this are going to rapidly come out very soon.

[@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx]

Your R1b-U106 is probably from Anglo Saxons rather than the Frankish-Breton noble

[@chriselliott4621]

Yea who hates Europeans the most?

[@Chiefofpretania]

@@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx from what I’ve read the Franks during the Migration era we’re overwhelmingly R1b-U106 with a small minority with I2. So I think it’s safe to say that there’s a good chance my Ydna sample came from the Franks.

[@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st]

@@Chiefofpretania Did you mean a small percentage of I1 (Scandinavian) ? or I2 (Balkan) ? I don't think R1b and I2 mixed much anywhere - but R1a and I2 mixed in the Balkans but wouldn't there be a bunch of I1 and R1b mixed up in North France ?

[@Chiefofpretania]

@@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st actually I2 is somewhat common among Rhine Germanic tribes. Even today some Germanic regions can be up to 10% I2.

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

Is this a contempory rehash of British Israelism?

[@Survivethejive]

It seems to have similar motivations in my opinion

[@nobody-special000]

"nooo don't send communists after us we're totally Jewish too!"

[@robertprice5039]

My YDNA Haplogroup of N-M2783 and the surname of "Preuss" (Prussian - As in the Balic Prussian Tribe) on my great grandfather's baptismal certificate mesh pretty well together. My father's mother was very Norman, ancestry wise. Her father was born on the Isle of Jersey, and her Irish mother had a lot of Norman surnames in her family.

[@sportsfisher9677]

I have descent from the Baltic Prussians too. We are rare now.

[@admontblanc]

@@sportsfisher9677 not that rare. You can find a lot spread throughout Germany.

[@Kuningaz93]

Isn't haplogroup N an Asian haplogroup?

[@schuylerleithulfr788]

@@Kuningaz93 Finnic.

[@verenatuna9010]

​​@@Kuningaz93 Exactly, N is of (Eastern)Asiatic origin and is also found amongst the population of Finland.

[@taybak8446]

You are getting better and better. Your narration is quick, effective and well enunciated. Presentation and production are great too. Too bad we missed each other in September. Hopefully, we'll meet up soon.

[@skiveman]

Tom : Did the Normans descend from ancient Semitic kings of the line of David? Me: Eh, probably not, but let me get some coffee and cake to settle down for story hour......

[@halbkuppe4895]

your french accent is very accurate

[@elbuggo]

I had no idea he even is good at that!

[@iberius9937]

You should hear his Irish traveler accent!

[@maryhaddock9145]

​@@iberius9937is it good? Post a link.

[@wetstoffels3198]

Always considered J2 to be associated most strongly with Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and Anatolian Farmers.

[@EM-tx3ly]

Turks mostly

[@Soap_bubbles591]

It's not a Turkic " mongoloid " / east Asian marker , Turks ( as in nationals of turkey) are for most parts turkified Anatolians and Caucasians.

[@matrixxx3662]

Yes

[@maryhaddock9145]

J2O is associated with a very sweet bottle of drink.

[@wetstoffels3198]

@@EM-tx3ly Ingush people have the highest proportion of J2 at 89%. They live just north of the Caucasus mountains and have an intermediate physical appearance between Indo-Europeans and Middle-Easterners.

[@fh9123]

I'm German and my paterinal haplogroup is J2, my specific haplogroup however is only present in other Germans, so it's probably just from Neolithic farmers. Also I'm 0.0% Jewish ;)

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

Based.

[@JeffDesmond]

Same here.

[@K55365]

You have to go back 😂

[@fh9123]

@@K55365 😂Finally I can live in a warmer place

[@skitidet4302]

"my specific haplogroup however is only present in other Germans" how did you prove that? Do you have access to a DNA vault containing the DNA of all known "subversive infiltrators"? If not, how could you tell they did not have your specific kind of J2 mutation? After all, nearly all of the "subversives" are Ashkenazi and thus have been deeply rooted amongst it's host.

[@Armyjay]

I love your debunking videos. One can see how much you enjoy doing it too. Keep ‘em coming!

[@CharlotteSimmons1]

I'm G2 from Finland with ancestral connections to Gamle Olof (Bure kinship), Ötzi the iceman, Shapiro Rabbinic Lineage, Yuya (Stranger in the valley of kings).

[@lYl93]

Shapiro? Poor you, you could always drown your self under the ice.

[@CharlotteSimmons1]

​@@lYl93 maybe

[@Mr.Skeleton.]

Love your content STJ! Keep pumping the hidden truths that have been suppressed against our folk. We are allowed to love our own just as everyone else is. No guilt or shame has ever been in me, only love and pride for my heritage. Just bc we love our brothers and sisters doesn’t mean we dislike anyone, but that’s how it’s twisted by “academia” and the media.

[@samuraijosh1595]

so were your people descendants of jews? what a crazy world we live in...whites have become so paranoid of jewish dominance that they wish they'd descend from those same chosen people they despise to have equal footing. The Jews were chosen, you were not. Cry about it all you want.

[@violenceislife1987]

Everything is war propaganda

[@wkrapek]

J2a is Graeco-Roman. It could also be Minoan since I’m pretty sure they traded up there. There was a J2a discovered in the Netherlands a few years back. There were two horse sacrifices, and he lived on an old Roman estate with water-heated floors.

[@michaelpereira1471]

My J2a is of Norman descent and was found in the Minoans. I never considered that Minoans went there.

[@yamnayaseed356]

This is obviously false. The Normans like most Scandinavians were black Africans.

[@bugzyhardrada3168]

Hakuna matata

[@Jimmie2429]

Don’t laugh. If the BBC did a program on this same topic that would be their conclusion.

[@Katya_Lastochka]

😂

[@chasethehorizonx]

We WUZ

[@ccoodd26]

No, they were definitely Khoi and San

[@lostzephyr2191]

My paternal line is J2 that migrated from Sweden to Germany sometime between 800AD and 1500AD based on some Viking samples that I match. I'm a gentile.

[@ConradAinger]

And a Nordic.

[@lostzephyr2191]

​@@ConradAinger Eh, not really, I'm afraid. DNA test put me at about 15% Scandinavian, but there's no Scandinavian ancestry in the last couple of centuries anywhere in my genealogical records. I'm an American that's mostly ethnically British (English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh) with a German surname. My paternal ancestors were Nordic Vikings literally 1000 years ago, but that's about it.

[@ConradAinger]

@lostzephyr2191 In broad terms then, how would you describe your ethnic identity? From what you say that sounds mixed - a bit Celtic maybe. But more Nordic than anything else, surely. ( Anglo-German myself.) I don't say this argumentitively. Not my business to tell you what you are. More in an academic sense.

[@lostzephyr2191]

​@@ConradAinger In terms of ethnicity I just think of myself as British or Celtic-Germanic. I'm 2/3rds British and the rest is German/Scandinavian, I say British because I have branches of the family from all four British Isles nations.

[@aag3752]

@@ConradAinger I find Nordic and Germanic culture really cool. Especially the old pagan ways. I myself am Lebanese. We're a Mediterranean group (not genetically Arab). We have European ancestry too, because of our history and geographical location. Our genepool was shaped since Phoenician times, but was further mixed during the Byzantine. In my case, I have 13% northern European. Not that it's necessary to have a certain dna to connect with a culture or with heathen paganism. But it is cool to have a genetic connection as well imo.

[@willbaro5879]

Downloaded this, seemed like content of signficant importance. Thanks STJ, brilliant stuff. Have a good one.

[@Wuldrian]

You are an under appreciated gem in this field and I reckon in the future you will be considered a bastion of light in these politicized times.

[@JedHelmers]

Nice video! One note: Semitic means descended from Shem. "Semitic" as a language-family basically means the languages that developed amongst the descendants of Shem. Who actually knows how far back Noah and his children go.

[@albintorso6107]

Nobody wants to believe in biblical fairy tales

[@curlyfries2956]

@@albintorso6107we respect paganism and atheism so please respect our beliefs. Even if you don’t believe it, Jesus loves you 🙏🏾❤️

[@williamcathcart7994]

Thank you. I enjoy your work. Merry Christmas.

[@hoos.crypto]

Excellent video Tom. Thanks for sharing your work and analysis with us.

[@koosh138]

My own dna tests came back with Persian DNA included. My ancestors were absolutely of Norman ancestry. (Read the Irish Hendrix Coat of Arms) I found out the the Persian ancestor was only introduced around 1800 after my ancestors got to America.

[@jasonbritt2497]

If you are R1A or R1B that makes sense. Both are the predominant haplotypes in Persia and Europe. The haplotypes originated out of the Black Sea area, Ararat/Caucaus Mts. Part of the group migrated north and the other into Persia. When looking at these DNA migration patterns keep in mind timelines. Where do we believe first civilization started? Persia, then spread west. Not as they would have you believe out of Africa and spread east that doesn’t fit archaeological records. Another important feature to note. R1A and R1B are the only 2 haplotypes capable of producing blue eyes and both mother and father must share this in their ancestory. Any king, queen, Pharoes, emperor, war lord, chieftain etc that is depicted with blue eyes had to have had both mother and father possessing R1A or R1B

[@robertolang9684]

IRAN PREDOMINANT Y DNA J2@@jasonbritt2497

[@TheManOnlyLegend]

Not true, there are blacks in Africa and Asians in Asia with blue eyes They may be an exception but once an exception is established,,,well... The "both parent must" goes down

[@jasonbritt2497]

@@TheManOnlyLegend um….. just bc there is exceptions doesn’t take away from nature/genetics requiring an x and Y chromosome possessing the trait requirement….. a male that has it in his dna will never be able to produce the trait with a female that doesn’t have it and never has in her bloodline

[@curlyfries2956]

@@TheManOnlyLegendso are the Africans Europeans? Genuine question

[@JovanovicTheNightOwl]

I anticipated that the woke team might release a certain paper before you, perhaps titled 'Monty is an Arab.' Undoubtedly, they might utilize this finding in an article without acknowledging the sources like Yfull and ftDNA. However, these genetic databases assert that the J2 haplogroup has existed in Europe since the early Bronze Age, if not earlier, even extending back to the neolithic period. It's important to note that one's identity isn't solely defined by their haplogroup. Culture, heritage across various ancestral lines, and a set of personal values shape who we are. If haplogroups were the sole determinants of identity, then the R1b (R-V88) people in central Africa would speak admiringly of their pale European ancestors from Lepensky Vir.

[@terriblefez]

Through my life there has been a kind of African who is oddly familiar. I never could figure out why and there are at least two myths on the topic. This may be the basis of one. Thanks for the detail

[@JovanovicTheNightOwl]

Before Rome, the Greeks contributed to the spread of J2a, and prior to them were the Mycenaeans. There are numerous branches of J2a. The specific branch to which some of the Montgomerys belong is known as J2a-Z6055>Y14439. Interestingly, the sub-branch J-Z36834, which runs parallel to J-Y14439, appears in ancient sites in Greece among the Minoans. If you examine J-Z35788 on ftDNA, or J-Y16842 on Yfull, you'll notice that this particular branch diverged from others over 4000 years ago, during the Bronze Age. Therefore, theoretically, I could trace the path of the Montgomerys as follows: Mycenaean civilization - Ancient Greece - Rome - Gaul - Francia. Within the territory of Francia, in an unclear manner to us, one of them became part of the Norman elite. This might have occurred through dynastic marriages or through the demonstration of their own capabilities. In short, they have no connections over the last 4000 years with figures like Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, and similar.

[@DJWESG1]

Biological determinism hasn't been this popular in years..

[@BumboLooks]

Well no.... Haplogroups simply aren't genomes... Two completely unrelated people can share a haplogroup even though their genomes are very distant. Your R1b is a good example of that. No, you don't magically become European via cultural heritage lol. That's antiwhite leftist territory you're entering there.

[@TheBlahman3]

inb4 "muh jacob and esau" comments Jacob and Esau were twins, which means they had the same DNA, which means...uh oh 😰 Thanks Tom for clarifying we're not da troo Israelites

[@danieldelaney1377]

Lmao jew obsessed Christian schitzos

[@samuraijosh1595]

Isrealite > white. Dont @ me, thats what the bible says.

[@TheBlahman3]

@@samuraijosh1595 Please show me even one source outside of the fictional (((bible))) to back this up. Thanks.

[@admontblanc]

Unfortunately most of the people who believe that crap will happily disregard real findings that disagree with their beliefs.

[@matrixxx3662]

@@samuraijosh1595Israelites weren’t real. The Sumerians were though. There are monuments and statues and paintings on how they looked like. For instance they had long noses like majority In West Asia with dark hair and probably eyes. I bet the Anatolian, Levantine and Zagrosian farmers had these traits as well. Majority of West Asian population are homogenous. Which is to be expected with all the Inbreeding and marrying cousins and all. There is minimal European and African dna from these populations.

[@chloe-historyandgames]

the idiocy of protesters still amazes me to this day

[@Galdring]

Another great video, Thomas. I would encourage everyone to download and store important research on politically incorrect topics on their computers. I am worried that more of it will be attempted wiped from the internet in the future. Sadly, the odds of that happening become greater the more we share this information, but I don't have a good alternative. This is an incredibly frustrating situation. My nightmare would be that the DNA itself will be destroyed to preserve some far left ideology. Our past might be lost for all future then, if we can't find more skeletons.

[@LynxSouth]

You're right. In this situation, it's far better to be safe than sorry.

[@elliewall7621]

It is not only true for DNA studies. On ancestry research websites, family trees are being erased completely or replaced with unsupported nonsense. My own family tree had five generations erased three different times. Other people have reported the same problems. It is not clear who is doing this, but apparently once someone subscribes to a genealogy website, they are then free to roam wherever they want and erase or change other peoples' family trees. I suspect it is wokesters (ie marxists), trying to erase European American family histories. These days marxists seem to be very determined to destroy European culture and heritage. We must be posing a hindrance to their political agenda for them to be so determined to eradicate our identity.

[@LilyGazou]

Download, store offline. And create real libraries- books. That’s what I’m doing.

[@qualqui]

AWESOME content always that you have here on Survive the Jive!👍😁

[@robofclanlennox]

Thank you, Thomas. Your work is invaluable. Keep going, my friend.

[@andersschmich8600]

In all seriousness, J2a is a CHG Haplogroup, so it would have had ample opportunity to enter Europe.

[@matrixxx3662]

Since it came from the Caucasus, they split and mixed with different populations. One group moved to West Asia and other migrated to Central Asia and later to Russia where they mixed with EHG to later form the Yamnaya culture. So the J2 carriers of Europe and J2 carriers In West Asia have completely different layers for forefathers and very distant from each other from a genetically and phonetically.

[@andersschmich8600]

@@matrixxx3662 Well said.

[@schuylerleithulfr788]

@@matrixxx3662 100% Northern European and I'm J2a. Can trace my paternal line to a village near York, back to the 1400s. It's J2-L26 too. Associated with Caucasians. Exactly like you said.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

​@matrixxx3662 No CHG was a west Asian group that mixed with EHG and then entered Europe You're not completely different from west Asians your FST mark is less than 1%

[@matrixxx3662]

@@bocchithean-cap3404 Once you mix a lot, that haplogroup is going to be like an empty shell. It will be just like a book cover. For instance you had proto Indo-Iranians who mixed with the locals of South Asia. After many generations there was nothing left of the original phenotype and genotype. Thats why you have a lot of R1a carreirs In India for example but none of them look or share the same genotpye as those who conquered the place. This alos happened with the Gok Turks when they conquered Anatolia. No Turkic dna found In modern Turkish people. Because their conqueres mixed with countless foreign women that those East Asian features and the later generation completely faded away. You have R1a carreirs from Iran who are like 73% Neolithic farmer and only 14% steppe when you look at their autosmall dna.

[@thegreenmage6956]

Fortress of Lugh relates the theory that Normans mixed with Bretons, explaining WHY the English now view Arthyr as THEIR hero. The Normans mixed with the Breton aristocracy, blending their genes AND their culture with their own. I like to think that the Normans somewhat brought Welsh and English together; we became more BRITISH than ever, with the Normans bringing that back in. And we always have been, ever since. GREAT Britain. Rule Britannia - Victory 🇬🇧

[@tmccabe9831]

Let me blow some raspberries at you from Scotland! 😊

[@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx]

English view Arthur as a hero because he's not actually real and his stories were of chivalry which in the middle ages were popular

[@williambranch4283]

My father may be in that group ... Breton-Norman from 1000 years ago. But has been bred out long ago.

[@Channel-sp3fp]

@@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx The King Arthur we all know and love was a fictional character written by a Frenchman.

[@MMArigo]

The modern English man is South Asian whether you like it or not

[@xenym]

Really enjoyable and enlightening. Thanks.

[@curiosityC]

Congratulations to the clearity of sound in this video.

[@rebeccacorbin1590]

Thank you for this. I am getting tired of people trying to rewrite history. My family lineage Haplotype is also I1. As I am a female I rely on my father's and brother's DNA for that knowledge. My last name also traces back to the Normans. Thank you for keeping people honest.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Rewrite history What an ignorant clod Because your feelings are now the gold standard of reality? Think they had the same attitude in the 1800s ...

[@denis3208]

I heard Disney characters like Pluto and Goofy are also descended from ancient Semitic kings 😂🤣😂🤣

[@joshua.johnson]

Very interesting to see. Thank you for making this.

[@tancreddehauteville764]

The J haplogroup simply indicates ancestry from ancient neolithic farmers - that's all. It does not necessarily indicate Jewish or Arab ancestry. Many people with J1 or J2 haplogroup do not look remotely middle eastern.

[@nenirouvelliv]

Funnily enough, my maternal Finnish-Swedish grandpa's lineage is also J2a, I know that his lineage goes back to at least to the middle ages here in Finland and the particular sub-haplogroup is shared by the Montgomery clan. J2a could've basically come from anywhere since it was pretty common among the Romans and the Greeks.

[@midmiddleton163]

It gets old when people try to make up our history about our people...Also...I like your point about Odin. He is a God.

[@Madonnalitta1]

Hail the One-eye

[@zusheng2949]

DAYUM BOI 9:29 I do so LOVE that remix. That brings me back to the techno days of the 2000s.

[@micksimmons8644]

Excellent as always.

[@csrencz6942]

I didn’t know Tom spoke French so well.

[@btbb3726]

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell

[@swedenisthemotherland3952]

That is why they are the enemy.

[@bellaususfitzpinguidpalate3194]

To have STJ further my understanding of the Normans is my Christmas gift! ❤

[@crixusthenorman1603]

You can find plenty of Norman descendants in Quebec. They have very extensive genealogy records dating back to the 1600s and many of their surnames are of Norman decent. It is such a small genepool.

[@s.thomas3289]

You are right. On my father’s side, we have the hole genealogy way back to Rouen, Normandie in the 1700s. It is impressive. Thanks to the Catholic Church who kept all the records of the french Canadians population.

[@BumboLooks]

@@s.thomas3289 You can also thank the present day Catholic church for kissing the shoes of Islamic immigrants...

[@crixusthenorman1603]

@s.thomas3289 Yes, correct. I can trace my mother's side back to Zachary Cloutier. We have Hebert, Cote, Samson and others in my lineage. My sister did a DNA test that shows roots in France and the St Lawrence basin. It also shows traces of Irish, Wales, Sweden to name a few. The Quebecois also didn't really mix with any other ethnicities, so it's almost like a time capsule of pure Norman DNA that millions of french Canadians and even Anglo Canadians share

[@jadeaube]

@@s.thomas3289 Same with me, can trace both sides back to Normandy from the founding of Quebec

[@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536]

Many expression of Québec french come from Norman dialecte

[@Perceval777]

It has been well established that the idea of Western European noble families or whole peoples having Semitic origins was simply a Christian claim in order to Christianize Europe easier, so that Europeans could somehow relate to the Biblical stories. I thought everybody knew that. To see that now some "experts" take that idea seriously and try to prove it is just ridiculous.

[@ViriatoII]

I've seen new theories coming up from right-wing protestant Christians, claiming that only Europeans are the real descendents of Hebrews, through the migration I'm Roman times, total bullocks.

[@jamesquinn6662]

The funniest of this shit is all the "we wuz israelities and the 12 tribes" bullshit lmao

[@jakehealy5288]

Great video-very informative! I agree that the J2 Haplogroup found in Northwestern Europe derived from ancient Greek and Roman conquests and isn't exclusive to the Middle East. Eastern European countries had the gene for thousands of years, too.

[@ScythianAresX]

Great channel man!

[@___-_____-]

Love this topic. My surname is Norman as well and because it’s a fairly popular name with a clear path to find my ancestors I was able to trace it back to the year 755 AD. I had to go through French ancestry pages which was a lot of fun. Lee - Leigh - De La Leigh - De vernerables - before this the names were different with every father and some don’t have last names I could find but had nicknames instead

[@jamesdewick4910]

Anglo-Norman here, Keep up the good work Tom!

[@draoi99]

I remember reading in the 1980s the book The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail. Among other things, the book claimed the Merovingian kings carried the bloodline of Jesus. It was a fun read and was rebooted in the form of The Da Vinci Code.

[@greatjohnnym]

I read it as well

[@allenwilhelm7799]

It was a fun book. Total bunk but a great read

[@Scottie444]

Still have a copy on the bookshelf....next to the Bible 😅

[@Survivethejive]

Eric Hugh Montgomery doesn’t like da vinci code

[@Scottie444]

@@Survivethejive I'm pretty sure Da Vinci wouldn't too 👍🏻

[@kathywolf4558]

It is shameful how agendas interfere with facts and studies about ancient times, cultures, science, archeology and irrefutable DNA. This is very interesting as I had wondered about the Normans and if they were Celtic tribe(s) of some sort. Thank you.

[@Sam-lm8gi]

The title of the video kind of scared me. I have Scoto-Norman ancestry on my father's side. Thank you for expounding upon that study.

[@DRsideburns]

Scared? wtf lol what were you scared of

[@BristolMatt]

You are brilliant bud. I love how you take down these monsters who hate us.

[@qboxer]

Good video. I will note that most studies seem to place Ashkenazi Jews at anywhere from 40-60% European (mostly Southern), so it’s anyone’s guess how much of their supposedly Semitic markers are even truly from there, or rather from Ancient European Farmer DNA that is quite prevalent in Southern Europeans.

[@user-wk7qw5wn3q]

I was surprised that so little research has been done, or made public, showing the Y-DNA haplogroups of Norman families. Did a "Big Y-700" test through Family Tree DNA and got a result for a R1b grouping that originates in Bronze Age Scandinavia, one (distantly) related to that of the Scottish Clan Dunbar. Despite that, it's hard to say just when that Scandinavian R1b came to Britain and whether it was with the Anglo-Saxons, the Norse, or the Normans. It would be helpful if more academic testing was done on Y-DNA at that 700 STR level. I'm assuming it's an issue of expense.

[@carnivoreRon]

Most R1b arrived in Britain about 2,500 BCE with the Bell Breaker invasion.

[@_Anakin_888]

As a J2 I can only thank you for clearing our name so eloquently… many thanks

[@bearcingetorix6326]

Did he clear it? He seemed to kick it into the garbage.

[@matrixxx3662]

@@bearcingetorix6326 Because it’s has no origin In Europe. Closest is the Caucasus. Because that’s where it came from.

[@_Anakin_888]

@@bearcingetorix6326 not at all my friend J2 can never be said to be semetic in origin and why would we want to claim another people’s history when ours is good enough for us. Please explain why descending from Hebrews would benefit any European outside of a judeo/christian or crusader context?

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

​@@_Anakin_888 J2 is related to Iranians turks armenians Georgians None are semitic

[@ALeaud]

You're Jewish

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

Our People in Europe have lived there for thousands off years prior to any other people arriving there.

[@admontblanc]

I suspect that's why some of these rare haplogroups exist all over Europe in small quantities. I'd take DNA studies of any type more seriously the day anyone can tell me which haplogroup did Neanderthals have, or which one can be associated with Cro-Magnon man etc. Otherwise it's mostly a game of who came first, the chicken or the egg.

[@kentuckianaboy]

Mr. Rowsell, I remember reading up on your Grandfather, the Lieutenant. Are you named after him? You must be proud to be descended from such a historically rich and aristocratic family. Happy Yule!

[@andybarry3435]

Since when was it important for Frenchmen to claim Arabic heritage 😂

[@mmhthree]

So, it'll a-ok that they get conquered by people from there and north africa. I guess.. it's only our same people coming here, they'll say...

[@jaxlockhart518]

just found you. dna tracing through history is my whole jam man. im in

[@marybarrera6905]

It's so awesome someone cares enough to set the record straight.

[@stormy_waters]

I’m Portuguese American and was surprised when my Haplogroup wasn’t R1b since that’s the most prevalent in Portugal, but showed I was a subclade of J2 called J-M319 which looks to be from Greeks living on the island of Crete. As well as Greek, I have some Sardinian mixed in there which was surprising. I know Lisbon was sort of founded by ancient Greeks but my family’s from the North of Portugal in Viana do Castelo and Braga which was predominantly Celtic and Suebi-Visigothic back then. I don’t consider myself particularly ethnic looking in appearance and most people would consider me white. I haven’t found a lot of documentation to read about JM319 so I feel a little left in the dark. Insightful video as always; I glean so much knowledge from your presentations, although I’m Christian of Anglican/ Episcopal tradition and not a pagan, I still find your exegeses really compelling and have learned a great deal about Pre-Romanized ancient Europe.

[@michaelpereira1471]

I'm in the same subclade, M319. I think my ancestor was a Norman. Pereira and Perry both overlap. Do you think there is a connection between the names through the Normans?

[@michaelpereira1471]

I'm Celtic. That's weird! North of Portugal is suppose to be Celtic especially Tras Os Montes. There's definitely more to this. I know about Jogo de pau by the way!

[@ViriatoII]

I'm north portuguese, cheers! Still have to do Y chromosome sequencing, but my autosomal DNA is 33% related to Celtic samples and 28% to iberian, as well as 10% Italic and 8% north African. Phenotypically I look central European, I live in Germany and people often think I'm German or French

[@Leman.Russ.6thLegion]

Dude. The Montgomery guy just wants banks to pay for his stuff. "Look! I'm a banker too!"

[@ShootingUtah]

Please look into the I2 haplogroup. I am either I1 or I2a according to an estimator thing I used online with my ancestry raw DNA file. I have no idea if it's actually correct but having an I haplogroup of some type makes perfect sense with the genealogy I have done. They are interesting haplogroups and I believe you're a part of I as well.

[@jeremeybuckley]

WHG!! We built the megaliths.

[@drengr811]

I1 and I2 both are Western Hunter Gatherer paternal lineages

[@ccoodd26]

@@jeremeybuckley No one knows who built the megaliths

[@nicolaspicard1501]

Other than that, Caen and Leicester's universities conducted a study called " The Viking DNA project " and, interesting fact, among the 58 first persons tested in Cotentin ( Cherbourg to Mt St Michel ), almost everyone had a great proportion of Georgian / Caucasus genes, which were likely to be carried in high percentage by Norsemen

[@Samuel32425]

And Central Africans with R1b are descended from various European Royals, or that Finns, Udmurts, Sami and Baltic people are descended from an ancient Chinese dynasty carrying N3, or that Slavs descended from Aryans from India with R1a (large emphasis on FROM India), or that Serbs are actually the true Aryans with I2 (don't tell them it's meant to be I1) who gave culture to Europeans in the North, or that Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers descend from the line of David with J2 (it's in the bible), or that the random Norwegian who god-forbid has carried Q since the ANE is actually descended from Khan and the Mongol expansion (they totally fucked up Scandinavia), or that Greeks are actually Africans with E from Royal Black lines (they really were kings), or that Mongols carrying R descend from the Bell-Beaker expansion into Mongolia. Funny how irrelevant haplogroups become when you ONLY look at them with this type of thinking, forgetting their expansions are complicated, make little sense in some cases or are outright mysteries (not even including subclades). Just because one group carries a type of haplogroup, doesn't mean they descend from you or you descend from them. It's a gross way to attempt to overwrite a persons thought on self with this kind of dogma.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

The R1b subclade in africans is related to middle east

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

"Ulvungar is another name for Ylinglingaette. This project is designed to link all surnames associated with one another that have a common male ancestor to various Dynasties such as Ylingling, Munso, Merovingian, Capetian, Robertian, Wolfing ect. Our earliest DNA is from Ergolding ( 670 AD ), and links us to the Merovingian Dynasty without question through the work of Dr.Vanek and Koch."

[@auzawandilaz6971]

a load of nonsense

[@Tanargue0]

Will you do a video on The Irish DNA Atlas: Revealing Fine-Scale Population Structure and History within Ireland by Gilbert et al. ? Just like in the 2022 study on Anglo-Saxon DNA, they found out a great Iron Age France genetic contribution to the Irish gene pool

[@thomasspicer4130]

How do we know that some vestiges of J2a aren’t in France and England from the Neolithic period as you say or from the Romans I’m so glad you brought this up 👌🏻

[@screwstatists7324]

As a Christian, this is interesting towards contributing to debunking the Anglo-semite apologetic. I know it's another issue but it is prolific and related. It is an old tired meme and I would be happy to put it to rest. Christians should embrace ethical universals, not ethnic apologetics, as the core of our religion. love your work, Tom, keep it up! Dream big, one day I hope you can have your own film studio and produce not just documentaries but feature-length films. hail victory

[@aag3752]

What is Anglo-Semite apologetics? I haven't heard of that one

[@whityard]

​@@aag3752People who say that Anglo-Saxons were the "true Israelites" and that they are named after Isaac's Sons, Danes named after Daniel etc. Pure horseshit stuff.

[@aag3752]

@@whityard Well you tagged the wrong person. But I agree.

[@therealmcgoy4968]

I am a significant amount of Irish background (50%) and ofcourse the rest is English and Scottish (lowlands mostly)… also American by citizenship. My last name is Norman but found mostly in Ireland or Irish Anglo-Norman (my great grandfathers parents were from Watersford). My haplogroup however is not Norman (Norse) or Celtic, but actually Anglo Saxon (I-Z63). Infact a large percentage of people who are Irish with my surname have the same exact haplogroup. This isn’t really a surprise when I looked up the local history of south east Ireland (the local language was Yola not Gaelic, which is a dialect of Middle English). In the Middle Ages a lot of English were brought over as mercenaries or artisans and workers. I traced my haplogroups journey from Northern Germany (where it is also common) all the way to England (some I-Z63 went east with the Goths and then south). To Wales and then to Ireland. It’s rare but not impossible to find the more Norse Norman haplogroups. The original de Poer was a Norman however 99% of his followers to Ireland were mostly Welsh, English and Flemish. I-Z63 is not a Nordic subclade but entirely continental Europe having branched off early from the Nordic I haplogroup.

[@OccidentalAryan]

I've seen you commenting on blackpill videos.

[@dirksharp9876]

If you have the phylogeny for certain then your Y-DNA may well be Anglo-Saxon. But I1-Z63 is not at all exclusive to them and is also found among burials of Normans, Vikings, Goths, Franks, Lombards and many other historical groups. The only reason it's not considered "Scandinavian" is because it seems to have poured out of the Scandinavian peninsula entirely. It almost certainly came from Iron Age Jutland. The lads just wanted to GTFO I guess. Iirc it's one of, if not the most common branch of I1 outside of Scandinavia and dispersed throughout Europe.

[@therealmcgoy4968]

@@OccidentalAryanI’m blackpilled lol… I like history and genealogy though.

[@therealmcgoy4968]

@@dirksharp9876well in theory I-Z63 is pre Migration era (Bronze Age period) however I-Z63 branched off from the Nordic I’s and ended up in northern Germany. Its downstreams went east and west during migration era. I-Z63 though has been found basically everywhere the Goths, Franks and Anglo Saxons travelled. There are people in Italy, Spain, Portugal, England, Germany, Scottish lowlands who have it. It’s absent in Scandinavia though which is why I don’t believe it is Norman. Also the part of Ireland my great grandparents come from was within the Pale which is historically the Norman/Old English part of Ireland. Yola the language spoken there is entirely related to Middle English (Yola was spoken up until the 18th century I believe). I can only assume the English migration to this part of Ireland was significant enough that it changed the local language from Gaelic culture to a creole English language (with some Gaelic influence).

[@therealmcgoy4968]

@@dirksharp9876 You are right it’s basically a migration era however the downstreams that went east and west sort of determine your ancestors route. Originally I thought I was descended from the Normans until I took FTDNA full Y analysis. But the Normans also get Breton/Celtic associated haplogroups because some came from Brittany France.

[@Soap_bubbles591]

Thank you once again for a great informative video . Much respect 🙏

[@Survivethejive]

My pleasure!

[@gabrielmondragon7317]

Historic mail looks pretty cool, I may sign up

[@bottlethrower1544]

What about the African heritage of vikings that I heard about on the BBC?

[@auld_boy]

I’m predominantly of Scottish and Scandinavian decent and have the J and J2A halpogroup. Its sad to see the amount of the pseudo scholarship going on with respect to this topic. I recently saw a similar paper which claimed to link some of these halpogroups to the 12 tribes of Israel. The actual evidence was basically none existent..they mainly used out of context passages of scripture to deduce a group of people were descended from their favourite biblical characters despite linguistics, archeology, anthropology and DNA evidence showing the contrary!

[@Survivethejive]

Using scripture as historical source is a red flag

[@matthewwood2638]

See the book, "When Scotland was Jewish." Based on Y chromosome studies of 12 central Tennessee "Melungeon" families. Indicates a huge influx of Jews into remote Scotland to escape persecution in Catholic southern Europe during the late middle ages.

[@chrisdel2564]

Hi I m from Normandy and I ve discovered my haplogroup is I1thanks for the explanation

[@Drvol1]

Excellent stuff Tom. Were you aware that the Norman Kingdom in Southern Italy lasted a lot longer than the one in England? Do you think it would be possible to make a video on Southern Italian origins? Seems to be a contentious issue.

[@snoozeyoulose9416]

Southern Italian populations have an interesting dichotomy between more swarthy Med types on one end of the spectrum with blonde hair types on the other, with everything in between. Wonder if this is the result of Norman rule and what drew in peoples from other parts of Europe through the trades and so forth as thriving periods of rule can do or something similar to what can be seen in Turkey today with outcomes though less intense involving a similar spectrum of physical characteristics, in the case of Turkey likely a hold over from the Byzantine era, slaves brought in from Eastern Europe and old Greek populations.

[@Drvol1]

@@snoozeyoulose9416 In my experience there are two pockets of blondism in Southern Italy. One is around Naples and the other is around Bari. Sicily probably has more blondes than Calabria. Some people think it may be a result of Swabian immigration in the Middle Ages. Nevertheless as you say there is some very diverse phenotypes. Compare say Ciro Immobile to Lorenzo Insigne who are both from the same area.

[@petera618]

Very interesting. Both sides of my family are from the same town on the northern coast of Sicily near Palermo. Lighter complexions are more common than people think among Sicilians. I myself was born with blond curly hair and hazel eyes. People assume it's from the Norman conquest. My DNA shows no Norman ancestry, it's mainly southern Italian, some northern Italian, and smaller amounts of Cypriot, Greek, Albanian, Maltese, and French, the lower part of France, not Normandy.

[@LearnHittite]

That French accent was spot on.

[@renatonigro]

*"mEe WaNtS tO BeE bIbLiCaL"*

[@Ahalya190]

I love videos like this. I don’t belong to any group of people mentioned in the video but it’s still interesting. Never quit KZbin

[@spyrofrost9158]

Why is it all these people have to insist that everyone in Europe originated from outside of it? You don't see them doing that for anywhere else in the world.

[@Annatar]

As far as I know, there's only one clade of J2 that is "Semitic" and it's only Semitic in language. J1 and J2 are primarily Caucasian (both Indo-European and not, like Georgians). At some point, a clade of J2 started overtaking the Semitic E1b1 in the middle east, probably because of the Turks, who came into the middle east already heavily mixed with other steppe peoples, and perhaps even much earlier (gutians and kura-araxes)

[@MoorFas-gy3dw]

j1 and j2 are chg and iran hunter gatherers haplagroups they spread in the western middle east in the calcholitic they displaced E1b1b G and t that was higher in the middle east the spread of j1 and j2 came from iran neolithic pre steppe input and pre turkic

[@Silikone]

Even by Middle Eastern standards, J2 is infamously not prominent in Semites compared to its J1 sibling. It's pretty much unmistakably a Caucasian haplogroup.

[@willmosse3684]

Re. the proportion of Norse vs French ancestry in the Normans, Matt Easton did a great video tracing the genealogy of William the Conquerer on his Schola Gladiatoria channel. It showed that, with all the marriages to indigenous French noble women, though William was Norse on his patrilineal line, and therefore Y-haplogroup presumably, he was probably only about 20% Norse overall/autosomally, and 80% French (though note that the margin of error was quite large due to a couple of unknown mothers). But an interesting result. It’s only a sample size of one. But a very important one.

[@joshua7885]

i would love a deep dive video on The G haplogroup it doesnt get enough attention lots of interesting stuff like possible stonge henge builders and etc

[@NeusaGomesMissesfirst]

I am Haplogroup J. It's Persian Royalty. next to E1b and R1A. I have the base codes.

[@DJWESG1]

Claims to power tend to have a social dynamic and liniage , modern science can only reinforce ideas already cemented into culture. Dynasty an attempt to cling to that power.

[@TotalFreedomTTT-pk9st]

Mr Survive the Jive - I have a question on this male vs female genetic info - if the sperm and egg combine and it is 'determined' that said entity becomes a female - didn't the 'male haplogroup' identifier - like R1a or O or J etc also 'transmit' into the egg ? but was then deleted or thrown out ? like wouldn't the female still 'have' some file from the original sperm ? and same for the male - like I (male) am 'from' my Mom's egg which invariably contains all her 'female' ancestry but somehow "I" or "ME" threw it all out ? or is it still in there ? and what of biological hermaphrodites would this genetic testing tell you they were 'really' a male or female ?

[@canecorsomolosser3294]

I have 13%DNA norman/viking Scottish blood and founded family in Scotland. I hope in the future we will have contact. Would love to meet them and learn new things about history.

[@carrdoug99]

Thanks for all your hard work in exposing these charlatans. I always wonder why people making origin story claims like this are never related to scullery maids or stable boys.

[@maryhaddock9145]

Another great comment! There seems to be a lot of decent chaps watching Survivd the Jive.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Thank you for conforming to my personal feelings of my own infallibility, because I'm the arbiter of all that is holy and good Very secular 😂

[@Slangnegativ]

Fantastic french reading.

[@thomasspicer4130]

I have a lot of Anglo-Norman ancestry and my mothers father traces his paternal family back to a Norman knight and founded an aristocratic English house and were once large land owners and my uncle’s paternal haplogroup is also I1

[@octobermoon9]

This is extremely frustrating. Thank you for creating this video.