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@kongmw6 жыл бұрын
*holding on to my 650s for dear life*
@paulewannacrackr6 жыл бұрын
I love how emotional Tyll gets in this review - really exemplifies his passion for headphones.
@shameite746 жыл бұрын
And this is why I ALWAYS take Tyll's reviews heavily into consideration when looking for another headphone for a purpose! Honesty is a virtue that a lot of people are starting to lack as years go on but this man still has it! Thanks Tyll for all that you do and for your honesty!
@user-9sidfgsxgj6 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was heart-wrenching. :(
@turbomustang846 жыл бұрын
Your passion really comes across in your videos
@cryptout4 жыл бұрын
Hmm I was waiting for a black Friday sale to replace my over 20 years old 600’s but you make me doubt now. Excellent review!
@frankjaegervandlarssen66576 жыл бұрын
You are one of the very few that accurately points out sound characteristics as well as strong and weak points of headphones. When testing out different headphones based on your recommendations I´m pleasantly surprised about just how accurate your reviews are. Thanks a lot!
@aayushmaanlala5 жыл бұрын
huge fan... loved your role in the hangover
@NM-jn6cp6 жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Thank you for your thorough and honest opinions!
@Life-Is-A-Curse6 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for your review, thank you very much for this review. i own a hd650 and was thinking upgrading to hd660s, but after this review, i don't need to upgrade.
@shadowslipping5 жыл бұрын
I'm feeling better about not returning my 650HD & "upgrading" to the 660S. I've had my 650HD for a month & love them, but my curiosity had me wondering if the 660S was superior bc of the latest changes made to the headphones. I'll sit tight for now & enjoy my 650HD. Thanks for the honest & informative review👍🏼👍🏼
@bernamej6 жыл бұрын
The sincerity and dedication of Tyll’s video forces great respect.
@MCOChuck6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review! Please keep up the good work!
@midorihibiki4 жыл бұрын
So sad that's Tyll was not in headphone community anymore. I really miss him. His knowledge and honest opinions when reviewing headphones.
@buonassi6 жыл бұрын
I applaud Tyll here for staying true to his ears. He's become somewhat of the black sheep in the headphone community lately, but I think we need those differing opinions that give a point of view that isn't part of the "hype train". It's important to be critical in these matters and is very helpful hearing some possible downsides with this set of cans. As was the case for the Sony Z1R, time will tell if the 660s captures the hearts of the masses.
@tormaid426 жыл бұрын
Vince Buonassi I’ve seen very few people praising the 660s as better than the older models, so I think he’s in the majority on this one at least.
@genesis6676 жыл бұрын
Out of all the headphones I've owned and I've owned a lot costing upwards of $3k a pair, the Z1R still is my all time favorite...Sound is completely subjective...
@user-xg6zz8qs3q6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have been hurt by this so-called "hype-train". Specifically, with brands like Superlux and KZ that make very bright and fatiguing headphones that don't do it for me. It seems like brighter sounding headphones with boosted bass get way more hype than darker, smoother headphones
@MarceloTezza6 жыл бұрын
Well, because darker is worse you keep going up in volume to never get satisfied.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm6 жыл бұрын
yes true but I don't agree with him most of the time. I bought the Focal Elear based on his review and they are the worst headphone i have ever heard! they have a 25 db suck out I can't stand them
@jerrygeorgopolis80156 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review. Season's Greetings to you and yours.
@johanramstrom47875 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to hear a review over the HD58x
@alexdre6 жыл бұрын
I just gained a lot of respect for Tyll to be able to call out a company like Sennheiser.
@cnnlive10 Жыл бұрын
As a HD 600 owner, I waited on the HD660s because of so many negative reviews. After I received my "refurb pair" this week, I can tell you I don't know what these guys are hearing. The HD660s is absolutely great. I feel like i've been cheating out of years of possible enjoyment...
@Lucaplayshorts Жыл бұрын
Yeh the 660s are great no question. Just love these things
@carlozzz3300 Жыл бұрын
The people calling these dull might have hearing loss tbh bc to me they sound fine and instead I dont like headphones w a treble boost
@zeeMuniStacksBundles Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad i saw your video Tyl, I'm going to try out the ones I bought, but probably return them and get to the hd600
@SamCampbell6 жыл бұрын
Love the honesty. Thanks Tyll
@christiang-berg84906 жыл бұрын
Great review as always!
@shigityshigityshwa6 жыл бұрын
I have both the 650 and 660S. After listening to the 660S for some time and switching to the 650 it feels like something is missing. Everything sounds dull and lifeless after listening. To me to FR sounds about the same between the two, with the 660S being slightly more crisp and impactful because of the faster driver. I personally like them better than the 650.
@lumntoob9996 жыл бұрын
Gandalf the Grey sounds like you have more sense than sentiment, very refreshing in this comment board. I'm buying the next pair I find on the second hand market.
@user-235905 жыл бұрын
@Agnar150 Agnar Just go to head-fi, you will like the echo chamber there.
@mpamphsphoenix44024 жыл бұрын
Exactly what u said .
@kevinmorrice3 жыл бұрын
so true, the 660s has so much more clarity and gives such a clean sound, i run mine through a tube amp to add a little more to the sound and they are a fucking masterpiece
@georgipartsalev61936 жыл бұрын
A tear just fell from my eye. :'( Be strong Tyll, together we can make it through!
@stevek57486 жыл бұрын
Yay great review! Please review the new mayflower arc dac/amp for $200 it directly competes with the Schiit stack
@antoinep97336 жыл бұрын
My HD-6XXs have been getting more and more comfortable using other people’s methods to ease the clamping pressure, but it wasn’t until I bent the headband like Tyll shows at the 2 minute mark (was convinced the plastic would crack 😬) that I achieved nirvana. Thanks Tyll, and enjoy that retirement.
@gabriel-dan40986 жыл бұрын
I've owned the 650 for over 10 years now and recently joined the Massdrop 6xx drop just to make sure I will enjoy the beautiful 650 sound for years to come.
@Ziyoblader4 жыл бұрын
I have gone through 5 pars of 650s in 2 years love the sound !!!! BUT all the same crap breaking down base goes out in one ear and vol as well then send back for repair then get brand new ones only to have it happen again in 3 months never had this happen to my 598s
@hopps41176 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, always look forward to them! I really hope they don't discontinue the 600 or 650.
@akorus_master6 жыл бұрын
Yay ! Inproved earpads for my HD600 !
@OG106 жыл бұрын
Great review, the HD600 was my gateway headphone they last so long.
@JosiasRivera6 жыл бұрын
Is there a Difference between the hd600 and massdrops 6xx?
@bluemonkeyster6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! I always respect your opinion. The true test of the headphone should be a hands-on or rather ears-on at a headphone store that can provide a demo.
@viol9996 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for this review...as always I just took your advice an ordered the HD 6xx from massdrop for $199.00.
@leary30616 жыл бұрын
Geez! I'm not sure I've ever watched a YT video and actually "felt" the disappointment like this before, even as he was struggling to recommend it.
@CaveyMoth6 жыл бұрын
It was so sad, watching him try to justify this headphone over the HD 650... ='/
@SLI13376 жыл бұрын
Speaking as someone who owns both the HD650 and HD660S, I can easily recommend taking this review with a grain of salt. I respect Tyll's opinions on the HD660S, but I found the new sound signature to be a welcome change and a great overall improvement. Also - Sennheiser isn't discontinuing the HD650 anytime soon.
@dtz10006 жыл бұрын
SLI1337 He was right about the hd700 and many are saying this uses a similar driver to that one.
@pratipsengupta79536 жыл бұрын
Thank heavens I just saw this as I was rushing out to grab a pair. I have rescued my 650 from the bin. For all the noise below, the distilled fact for me is that if there is a difference between 650 and 660s, it is so small that an 'upgrade' from 650 doesn't live here.
@permanentlydisappointed65944 жыл бұрын
I've had my old 600 for almost 20 years and they finally broke beyond repair (not the can's fault, it was me being overly stupid). I chose them BECAUSE of their smoothness and now I have to buy new ones. I'm already anxious abouw the "new" version of the HD600 and if it's REALLY E X A C T L Y the same as the old ones while having a peek at the 660S. Back then I chose the 600 over the 650 on purpose. I haven't listened to them yet but I just hope I can get "my" sound back.
@alexandrutrutiu87806 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your sincere review! I own HD600 with the aftermarket cable Russ Andrews HC-1 and I’m very pleased by the sound. I wish to ask you what headphone tube amplifier you recommend for HD600?
@6tautstrings6 жыл бұрын
Wow! What a ballsy review?! Well done that man for being (so) honest. If he were a lesser know reviewer, he would now be looking for alternative employment. I am sure the equipment used in his reviews is (probably) more revealing than what we might use with the same headphones, ergo; he can find more of what he's looking for. A damning review just before Christmas too, does this mean I need to stretch for the HD800 S?
@1ceCold0376 жыл бұрын
Thought he was going to start crying.
@MrStingraybernard6 жыл бұрын
me also
@redrich20006 жыл бұрын
He was crying on the inside
@youtert6 жыл бұрын
And don't you cry-y-y tonight, there's a headphone above you baby
@vitorpassosnicolodi91086 жыл бұрын
I never saw him like this
@thegreatsiberianitch6 жыл бұрын
11:49
@ama-tu-an-ki6 жыл бұрын
thanks for keeping on telling it like it is!
@DerHeimatlose16 жыл бұрын
It's a very very bad sign when Santa almost starts crying before Christmas.....
@CaveyMoth6 жыл бұрын
Sennheiser has been naughty...again.
@soumyomondal43685 жыл бұрын
Lol
@alexalmazorino946 жыл бұрын
ohhh thanks for the review, I guess I'll stik to the 650.
@rickey60986 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for being honest with this review. I agree with the cable length, too long for portable use anyway.
@turbomustang846 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I'm so glad I bought a HD-6XX maybe I will get another to add to my collection including my just ordered HD-58X Jubilee
@ViaRosalesVlogs5 жыл бұрын
didnt knew old luke skywalker are reviewing headphones now. lol! love your craft tyll!
@afifrobbani44926 жыл бұрын
Love the rants here, good video review too.. i will stick to hd 650 then..
@NWinnVR4 жыл бұрын
I would have been super interested in hearing what he had to say about the 58X.
@shameite746 жыл бұрын
Tyll, has your opinion changed in any aspect on these cans since reviewing? You are the only KZbin review I have seen that did not think these we superior over the 600 and 650. I have always valued your reviews and that is why I am asking if you have any review changes on these. In my opinion you are always spot on. Thanks in advance for the reply!
@MorriganJade6 жыл бұрын
I think this headphone would be suited for my applications. I don't use the HD 558 as a portable solution, but do love having it at my desk, without AMP or DAC (since I don't hear any problem that I'm considering getting one). I'm also on a tight budget and will probably be left without being able to get proper AMP/DACs with proper headphones in a very long time. This headphone however makes it (probably) possible for me to use it behind my PC without any other device required that would cost me extra. Maybe if I'm getting older and get a proper income I might actually be able to jump into the "personal end-game". But this headphone, for me, sounds like a perfect "access to high end, at a lower cost for people with a tighter budget". Yes, the headphone might be "expensive", but I won't be needing anything else for some time, yet still have a great sound (though lacking in some aspects compared to the older family members).
@alexp35776 жыл бұрын
Can you review massdrop focal elex and compare those to hd6xx, focal elear and focal clear?
@muttyhc5 жыл бұрын
Hi, good review, which headphone would you recommend for a first audiophile experience? I will be using a usb-c dac with my phone. My options are 660s, x2hr, momentum 2.0 wired, shp9500 anything below £250 really. Thanks.
@GraDesigns6 жыл бұрын
6:07 - About the Sound Quality
@damauri6 жыл бұрын
Waiting for Hifiman's Sundara.... I really want those to be good so they can be my next purchase.
@jurumal6 жыл бұрын
Wow. I was not expecting that. Let’s take a moment of silence for The Legend.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm6 жыл бұрын
hmm, I wonder how much the new pads (not worn in) of the HD660s effected your impression. I would be worth changing the pads with the worn HD650s and see what happens
@iliketoreadiliketothink17636 жыл бұрын
I really want to try these. But for $100 more, I really have my eye on the LCD 2 classic
@stanpiper81586 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honest opinion.
@hautdoge1416 жыл бұрын
Damn, now I'm just glad I have my HD650s. I hope I don't break them, tempted to buy another reserve pair. They are my fav can hands-down.
@MykWazowski6 жыл бұрын
Can the balanced cable be purchased on Sennheisers website? I'd love to get them for my HD600's.
@tj-yb1pc3 жыл бұрын
Love the straight honesty t y For that, iam listening to you and getting the hd 600s and you hot e new sub right here
@brf10096 жыл бұрын
I never saw him so disappointed.
@fatdoi0036 жыл бұрын
he's seeing the death struggle of once an innovative brand sitting idle for too long and 2 successive failures (700 & 660)
@Arcanineisthebest6 жыл бұрын
He was probably really looking forward to them... So sad.
@fatdoi0036 жыл бұрын
High Hopes - Pink Floyd
@johnyang7996 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Reyes I have compared all headphones around that range and hd600 650. 660s is really good sounds pretty accurate slightly warm tilt.
@dimonius6 жыл бұрын
brf 100 p
@robertnoblitt5185 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest report.
@Andrew_Malee_Vlog6 жыл бұрын
Good honest review.
@ericleckey6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, love ya brother!
@alessandrabenz81096 жыл бұрын
love it, miss you
@nemesislucifer71146 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the hd650/600 driver capsules can be popped into a hd660s to make a better looking(imo) hd650/600.
@mfmishere6 жыл бұрын
Hello Tyll, What are your thoughts, if any, on the Massdrop HD 58X Jubulee that was released today? Thanks.
@ldlduvall6 жыл бұрын
This is my kind of review!!!!!
@pentapandamusic4 жыл бұрын
Only I got the sense of humor here? Great video that made me laugh and thanks your thoughts on these headphones, I might go for the 650.
@markp40446 жыл бұрын
I'm happy I waited on your review before buying. I'll stick with my hd600.
@Supperconductor6 жыл бұрын
Mark P Ditto here. It seems one has to spend quite a bit to hear a worthwhile upgrade from the HD600. This has kept on the fence for a decade. Oh well, I guess this is a good problem to have.
@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear6 жыл бұрын
Mark P what about Z review?
@fontanamarcos6 жыл бұрын
But, in my case I'm planning to buy a HD6xx. What do you think? Would I buy one HD600 or HD660s?
@ambidex0med5 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the HD600.
@dicktrickle53524 жыл бұрын
660s sound better.....imo
@user-jm7ch7vl3x6 жыл бұрын
You look like a typical resident of the far north, a Siberian. Great review!
@johnj99766 жыл бұрын
Алексей Замараев You're RU guy but know a lot about USA, did you live there? Do you prefer that I live there?
@user-jm7ch7vl3x6 жыл бұрын
In Siberia, I do not advise) otherwise we will have to do a review of this ..... www.livemaster.ru/item/13066093-aksessuary-mehovye-naushniki-iz-norki
@paritosh_arahat4 жыл бұрын
Will lg v40 ibe able to power the sennheiser 660s (150 ohms) And will I be able to listen them with good volume?
@pianistor5555 жыл бұрын
For people that are still wondering about what Tyll's taking about, he is right to some extent. So, the 600 and 650 are indeed smoother sounding headphones because of the drivers, but it's not that the 660S is a grainy headphone, it's just that it's not a forgiving headphone. In my experience I love the 660S because of how detailed and wider they are in comparison (even tho the treble isn't as extended as it should be) but the fact is, I feel exhausted after a while of using the headphone because they have too much detail and texture, it's not grain, just giving you all the flaws there are in the recording. While the 600 and 650 can be heard for hours without issues, losing the detail the 660S has. It's your choice, both are great headphones.
@lexus2k36 жыл бұрын
finally! been waiting for this to find out what's the difference between the HD 650, great to hear the honesty in the review..thanks Tyll
@Fuckoffgoogle256 жыл бұрын
Out of a iDSD micro, I feel the biggest flaw of my HD600 is that it is too smooth. Maybe this is ameliorated by higher end gear, but from low to mid gear it seems the HD660s might be better.
@AY-dw4om6 жыл бұрын
I still don't know which is better: the good old HD580 that just dies on me after 25 years of use (since 1993 I have them) or the Philips fidelio X2 I am very close on ordering from amazon for a very very good price. If Tyll can clarify which he would get today, HD600 or fidelio X2 - I would very much appreciate. thanks in advance.
@java28944 жыл бұрын
Which is the best sounding out of all three ?
@pandoraefretum6 жыл бұрын
Did you run them in ? Mine sound very fatigue free and neutral...
@SteveHartmanVideos2 жыл бұрын
could the grain and harsher sounds that you speak of around 9:00 sound better if you burn it in for 100 hours?
@TheKlimekpl6 жыл бұрын
The headphone technology still doesn't advance when do we get the Sennheiser Orpheus sound for the price of this 660 S ?
@thebludragon83536 жыл бұрын
I am one of the apparent few who like the hd700. If they use the same drivers, wouldn't it make sense to have the same impedance? Both 150ohm.
@JayDowney6 жыл бұрын
i'm on my Massdrop HD 6XX's as i watch this lol. I'd think instead of these at this price point, given everything you've said, try to get the Focal's Massdrop is releasing shortly....
@vandelaymedia15835 жыл бұрын
do you NEED a headphone amp to use the 660s as well as the 650?
@sarnenduchatterjee63393 жыл бұрын
Just ordered them, to be delivered in couple of days 😢 should I cancel ?
@MarianIanchis6 жыл бұрын
Does iSine 20 sound better than all of these Sennheiser? How does the iSine 20 compare to them?
@thetiger32232 жыл бұрын
Is the sound clear enough, in the sense that it competes with the most expensive headphones?
@berdt48706 жыл бұрын
What a good time to buy the 650s to be companions for my 580s
@Squishmallows244 жыл бұрын
I just got these and the master & dynamic mw65. Wired always has better sound quality but I like the convenience of wireless so idk which one I should stay with :/
@trellusg6 жыл бұрын
I'm keeping my HD 650 and HD 600 and passing (at least for now) on the HD 660S, although not based just on Tyll's review since I have the HD 700 which he reminded us in this video is "just not a good headphone" to his ears, yet I really love the HD 700.
@malfunkt6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think you have you bases covered. Cost is pretty high on the 660S. Second the love for the HD700, one of my favorites for classical, gaming, and ambient.
@dotwad116 жыл бұрын
This actually makes me really excited hearing that the 660S starts to move it's sound signature closer to the 700. I love my 700, but I also really enjoy my 600. I always wished for something that hit the middle ground a bit better.
@pvtcmyers876 жыл бұрын
I just got my hd 700 a couple of days ago and this is one of my favorite headphones ever. Is it perfect? God no. That treble peakyness is annoying and I just eq it out and there is just gobs of detail and one of the most natural sounding headsets I’ve ever heard. But then again I am kinda new to this. But I LOVE the clarity and detail.
@mvv14086 жыл бұрын
Never change a winning horse... You hinted on the 650 being discontinued. Will the 600 be discontinued as well?
@conviley6 жыл бұрын
Could these be used as reference monitors for music production?( I know proper speakers are to be preferred, but I'd like some nice headphones to check levels off of)
@MichaelPohoreski5 жыл бұрын
Conviley Closed is better then open for reference monitors as you don't want _any_ sound from the outside when listening to a mix. That said, _try both_ to hear what sounds better for _your mix._
@Patafisique6 жыл бұрын
A tragedy unfolds
@erickauffman6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving me some money!
@Supperconductor6 жыл бұрын
I guess the good news here is that one can get an official balanced cable for their HD600 & HD650 from Sennheiser? Is it available as a spare part, and if so, how much?
@tormaid426 жыл бұрын
Supperconductor it’s only useful if you have pentacon on your amp (you very likely don’t). There are mountains of aftermarket balanced hd600/650 xlr cables, though.
@Mr2pint6 жыл бұрын
Disappointed but will always have my 600s - interesting they decided to discontinue the 650 and not the older 600..
@lumntoob9996 жыл бұрын
Mr2pint if they discontinue anything it will be either the 600 or both 600 and 650, both are much more likely to be discontinued than just the 650.
@jacekstein64765 жыл бұрын
I am a fan of Sennheiser, including this series. I own HD580, HD600 (for many years my favorite) HD650 and of course HD660S. According to me, this new model is the best of them all ... provided new pads are replaced with old ones.
@nickanderson99226 жыл бұрын
Great as always...
@jonathangeee61915 жыл бұрын
Back in 2014, I learned about tyll which contributed to me buying the HD 600's in early 2015. I tried 250 ohm dt880's and 400i's, but stayed with the 600's. I had no yearning to buy the 660's, but decided to look them up randomly on here. It seems like he still has his integrity + will enjoy this hobby for the rest of his life. The 580's were one of the "wow" moments for him in headphones, so you can see why he was emotional about these. I definitely value his opinion.
@Harolddespui6 жыл бұрын
In a German review here on youtube the reviewer favoured an X2 over the 650, but he recently did the 660s and that is now his new reference headphone. But only after a serious break-in period. Right out of the box they didn't sound good in the highs.
@shameite746 жыл бұрын
I own the HD600's and the X2's and they are very close in sound signature except for the X2's having more bass. The only problem is that the X2's are not a good match for the Bottlehead Crack or other OTL amps due to it's impedance. And they are no where near as comfortable as the HD600's to me. Not sure about X2's scaling. I am scared to try the HD660S because Tyll is usually spot on and he likes the Sennheiser brand. So for him to say this about them, I would bet on him before I would bet against him. I am going to wait until I can hear them somewhere. I do not want to loose $500.00.
@Bhushan28376 жыл бұрын
Guys, can anyone tell me if the headband clamp mod has to be done regularly or its just a one time thing?