Sense-Making In Chaos - Jamie Wheal

Jamie Wheal is a researcher and writer in the field of human potential, peak performance, and flow states. He is the co-author of the book “Stealing Fire” and director of Flow Genome Project.
In this interview we talk about how to make sense in a world that is unraveling faster than we can keep up with, discuss the potential solutions to this crisis, and the challenges of building coherent and resilient communities.
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In This Episode Of Future Thinkers:
The increase of complexity and consequence, and the state of overwhelm as a public health issue
How collapse of authority in the last 50 years contributed to the sense of abandonment and disenchantment
What is the actual urgency for a systemic change in the world?
How our ability to understand complexity, cognitive biases and the capacity to process grief are affecting our understanding of what is going on in the world
The pitfalls of transformational culture and why we are making the same mistakes as the hippie generation
Weaponization, commercialization and hedonization - our most dangerous tendencies in using powerful transformational tools
The importance of open-sourcing the tools for self-realization ahead of the efforts to co-opt them
The challenge of creating a post-conventional group flow
What we need to build resilient communities
The need for a Council of Women Elders in healthy communities
Links and Resources Mentioned In This Episode:
Hacking Collective Intelligence, an interview with Jamie Wheal on Rebel Wisdom - • Hacking Collective Int...
Rule Omega: Greenhall, Schmachtenberger, Wheal (excerpt from the conversation on Rebel Wisdom) - • Rule Omega: Greenhall,...
Flow Genome Project - www.flowgenome...
Existential Climate-Related Security Risk: A Scenario Approach, a report by Breakthrough - National Centre for Climate Restoration - tiny.cc/4zse9y
Interview with Dr. Gabor Maté on Tim Ferris Show - • Dr. Gabor Maté on Trau...
Reality Bites, a movie directed by Ben Stiller (1994) - www.imdb.com/t...
Recommended Books:
Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work by Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler - amzn.to/2J5V0Yp
The Master Switch: The Rise and Fall of Information Empires by Tim Wu - amzn.to/2xtV9OW
Upheaval, Guns, Germs And Steel and Collapse, a trilogy by Jared Diamond - amzn.to/2xqbGDk, amzn.to/2ROr9qj, amzn.to/2XCh7Or
Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out? by Bill McKibben - amzn.to/2Ly7VUL
The Hero's Journey, the collected works of Joseph Campbell - amzn.to/2xtpUn0
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[@feralcrackpot]

Awesome. Jamie shooting from the hip...and getting head shots. Lucid AF. Thanks heaps to Mike Euvie and Jamie xx

[@professormaxtrinity]

Excellent content. I'm really glad to find your channel.. Much appreciated.

[@hannahmcconnell5079]

I've been following Jamie Wheal for the past few months and love his commentary, this interview though gives me a new found respect for him. It's hopeful to see fellow leftwing people acknowledge the immigration and destabilization issues of European society. This guy is intellectually honest.

[@margarettaylor5069]

You guys are so amazing! So much more aware than we were. Love, a boomer.

[@YanErikDecorde]

Thanks for Hosting Jamie. Love

[@wendyeames5758]

Omg, I'm just an old housewife & I've been talking about the loss of public trust (& confidence) for years now, & most people just yawn.

[@professormaxtrinity]

I'm a grandmother, btw.

[@melissajones5985]

This is an excellent interview. Thank you so much

[@GailColeman]

I get an odd comfort from listening to Jamie. Almost like he's explaining things that I've been disturbed by and saying, "Here, let me ease that panic, at least down to rational fear." It really does help!

[@heriverso]

Thanks for the content, Euvie and Mike. I think you covered a lot of stuff that is illuminatimg, but I feel I must complement what you said, specially at the last part where you three talk about the ways a group of people can function optimally right while sharing some deep, meaningful values. I know Jamie has covered some of this stuff in his book, but since he himself raised the question as to whether there are other ways to enact this in the mainstream, I want to share 2 info sources that may interest you three: Frederik Laloux's Reinventing Organizations and Brian Robertson's Holacracy. Both books are in-depth descriptions of companies operating at what philosopher Ken Wilber might call Teal and Turquoise complexities. In a nutshell: these companies explicitly 1) State one shared deep purpose, 2) Create the conditions to let people bring in their fullest, freest selves, and 3) Find ways to auto-organize without the need for controlling, subjugating hierarchies nor never-ending consensus reaching. Very cool stuff, really. I hope you like it and may be share it with Jamie. Be well.

[@peterjohnstoltzman]

Thanks for the references!

[@deepaklobo1992]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[@andrewchristie3139]

Is there a video of the keynote Jamie was talking about?

[@InvertedInsideout]

I realize that these issues are much larger then who we choose for President of the United States. But Andrew Yang is the only candidate that seems to be addressing these issues clearly and actually offering a possible way forward that is both a holistic vision of how to realign the country and technologically intelligent.

[@darecarrasquillo]

agreed.

[@wendyeames5758]

I'm an older, white Texas woman & I was sad when he dropped out. I'd love to see a fresher, innovative direction for the USA.

[@jennyadventurer]

Thank You!

[@wendyeames5758]

Love Wendell Berry, happy to hear him mentioned

[@caninedentalgroup]

I bet Jamie Wheal doesn't get much sleep... HIs mind is working nonstop.

[@alexandria5758]

What does Jamie Wheal do? What does he suggest we do? Let’s say we increased our capacity for organizational complexity we killed the sacred cows and we did the shadow work now what? He says basically we should drop what we’re doing and band together to solve these urgent problems what are they? And what can I do now as a individual?

[@cmw3737]

I think the game changing thing will be artificial mood control. The ability to control the mind, the shadow and emotions through technology that has the power of drugs but with more precision and control. It will have side effects and the susceptibility for abuse but people want it, will pay for it, and the technology is getting better so it will happen. How that changes the game will be beyond what we can imagine.

[@TheDionysianFields]

I see all bad things coming from that.

[@PatrickFerryCoach]

Shit loved it, thanks all.

[@Robustacap]

"If it is free, you are the product" and if you're not an owner you're a cheap resource. Rising above that is possible by letting go. First saw Jamie in a talk w Daniel S. and loved it!

[@tyson3676]

What’s the name of the woman Jamie referenced along with Alice Walker? I don’t recognize the name and can’t find her.

[@jamierwheal]

Pema Chodron

[@Orthodoxi]

I didn’t catch it if it was discussed, but what “sacred cows” does or do the Jamie types and or those who think they have successfully achieved the “complex OS” necessary to become a trail blazing leader, and yet are still struggling with as part of the shadow dynamic? So they still unknowingly have, but that he or those at that liminal place are potentially not willing or cannot see? Because that seems crucial to know and or recognize as a part of this development we are trying to get through.

[@wendyeames5758]

Around 52. mark... I wondered about it applying to permaculture folk.

[@DenianArcoleo]

'Does anyone stand behind what they are and what they do, and are any of our interests truly being looked after.' If these questions are only now being asked then I suggest naivete has been ruling your thinking.

[@Kilo.November]

For more threading the crone wisdom, "International Council of Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers"

[@BrunoWiebelt]

super great, super humble ... just do it and Patthi Smith for the grandmother comity

[@robbyr9286]

Joanna Macy came to mind as another Woman Elder...

[@Kilo.November]

second on Joanna Macy

[@jamierwheal]

Yes! For sure

[@robbyr9286]

@@jamierwheal Joan Halifax as well.

[@TheDionysianFields]

I love the wise grandmother theory...in theory. The problem is that women are even bigger worshipers of beauty than men. Maybe becoming a grandmother can help someone through that, but I wouldn't say it's automatic. My concern is that many women never fully escape from the idea of physical beauty, and lead secretly bitter lives because of it. At the risk of sounding alt-right, I'd say that this is even a breeding ground for a particular (highly destructive) strain of feminism. But I'd like to think I'm just providing an alternate point of view. Note: My thoughts here are based on American culture only.

[@infinite54]

Issue about the grandmothers. I love this idea BUT I have seem time and again institutions designed historically by men selecting for women who embody the values of the insitution. Whoever can't play the game is pushed out. The result gives us Madeline Albrights or Margaret Thatchers who, you might think are wise elders, but really operate with and for a system. They go to war as fast as any man. If you want wise elders, the individuals must come from frameworks out side the system. No one who has earned their creds in the system, male or female will have the perspective needed. Another point. You mention speed, in passing. I think this is, in itself, something that could end our society. Things are changing so fast that we can't make decisions about social impact before its fading into the rear view mirror. We assume anything new is ok unless determined otherwise. Ex: Genetically Modified plants that are insensitive to herbicides which also kill all the natural flora and the insects that feed on them. What if we flipped it and said everything is guilty unless proven innocent. We might require a 25 year review with research proving the innovation is a benign force. This could be medicine, social media, impact on environment, impact of family etc.

[@TheDionysianFields]

These are great thoughts. Women often turn themselves into men so that they can thrive in the system. They sacrifice their wisdom up front.

[@jeanne553]

Ask the grandmother's! It's where the wisdom resides.

[@socraticsceptic8047]

Fair enough A council of crones would be great as long as they were wise... however also older men of 60 lets say also aren't usually 'led by their dicks' and so a council of elders generally (who were also wise) is probably best?

[@danthemansmail]

Think in terms of personal survival because it is the only thing you can actually influence and this country is doomed.

[@Joseph-og9jh]

I like Grandma council. I do not think it is funny per the two commentators response.