Comparing Muay Thai to Karate ELBOW STRIKES

[@SenseiSeth]

Watching the video all the way through and sharing is a dope way to show support! Thanks my friends 🙏🙏

[@charrleschervanik3632]

Your muy thai coach has solid elbows, but can he handle the Chubby Surprise?

[@personperson2706]

@@charrleschervanik3632 Yesssss lol

[@214warzone]

Josh displayed the Lead (horizontal) Elbow, the Swim Move Elbow, and the Shark Elbow. Good Stuff :)

[@kungfujoe2136]

what's your favorit elbo ? mine's diagonal sideways at about 10 bring it down on the nose

[@foxlawrence7139]

Interesting little thing: the first Muay Thai elbow at about 1:00 in, seemes to use a little bit of a falling step if you've ever read your Jack Dempsey

[@gerardocovarrubias1127]

and you should know that people like you is why we love martial arts like sanda,muay thai,savate and others

[@SenseiSeth]

That’s awesome!

[@iNinZa]

I do BJJ, Muay Thai, and Wrestling, but I've always respected Karate. The Art gets unnecessary hate, I've seen people say it's "Useless" when it's really not. I have friends who are Black Belts in Karate, and they are tough. I'm gonna start Karate soon, I honestly think it's one of the best Martial Arts in the world when it comes to striking.

[@SenseiSeth]

Well, I wouldn’t say unnecessary. Lot of scam artists with karatw

[@akshimjames5011]

@@SenseiSeth yeah sensei

[@akshimjames5011]

Yeah bro. Karate also has grappling in it. If only you could find the the correct sensei who is a real deal he could teach you....

[@AvatarRoku999]

Karate is useless once you've trained muay thai.

[@akshimjames5011]

@@AvatarRoku999 I don't think how. Because there are more strikes in Karate which is not in Muay Thai ,like open hand strikes

[@geo8089]

DUDE QUALITY HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH

[@SenseiSeth]

Thank you SO MUCH!

[@yotacharapone5341]

I agree

[@PooleAcademyofWingChun]

It’s hard when you first start

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

true dat

[@Zapinator321]

Don't mind me. I'm just feeding the algorithm with a comment.

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahaha you’re a real one!

[@AllesausLiebef95]

@@SenseiSeth You deserve it tho!

[@kampar82]

The beast needs it's feast.

[@Mishkola]

Feeeeed me, Seymore

[@christophercastaneda4944]

It's nice to see the differences in how styles just use 1 part of the body

[@SenseiSeth]

Yea, right? Some of my fave content!

[@kampar82]

I felt the karate elbow strikes had more self defense look, when things have already gone wrong. Thai boxing elbows look more something you would use with two equals engaging in consensual violence, a fight.

[@YoKhai1221]

I did NOT know Karate had any elbows! Thanks for expanding my knowledge!

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks for watching!

[@ninthkaikan1544]

Everyone thinks it’s just punching and kicking. On the KZbin comments, I’ve seen a keyboard warrior say karate doesn’t teach checking kicks.

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Karate uses all parts of out body as weapon

[@alexanderren1097]

Just wait till you find out that 70-90% of kata moves are wrestling and throws/takedowns ;)

[@stevenshar1233]

Also as an extra bonus, practicing elbows also help you get better at throwing hooks. Since throwing elbows and hooks share the same body movement. That's why the hook elbow is an illegal move in boxing (you throw the hook and follow up with an elbow)

[@SenseiSeth]

Very true!! Cross as well

[@makaiev]

Karate's elbows look alot like "dirty" or "street" boxing (interchangeable terms, since there is sport focused and self-defense focused pugilism), where is often pointed out to use elbows against grapplers (because fighting range) if you can't keep "safe" distance. I wonder if thats not what the bunkai was on about at some point... after all, there is alot of grappling in japanese martial arts. It kinda worked when I was the fat kick getting pick on school... Bruised a bunch of bullies, elbows rock!

[@SenseiSeth]

Yes! The elbows definitely came up before the push of the sport aspect, and wasn’t included in the sport aspect

[@Cheeseisboss]

Traditional karate is a hell of a lot meaner than people give it credit to lol

[@thunderkatz4219]

@@Cheeseisboss Fr it’s not a sport to me

[@chrismasters9975]

I'm so glad I found this page...I am a Taekwondo instructor and I make sure my students know from day 1, not to assume that you maybe the king of Taekwondo, muay Thai, or what not..but in real life you aren't going to have a TKD match. Even the untrained have a style(even an incorrect kick/punch still hurts) Gunkata is the only true style 🤣

[@I_Might_B_Wrong]

The Muay Thai straight elbow is my favorite, particularly from the lead side. It doesn’t feel very powerful to do in the air, but when using it on the bag you can feel how damaging it can really be, plus for self defense if you’ve got your hands up with palms out indicating you don’t want to fight and somebody comes forward at you anyway you can send it right down the center stepping in at the same time so they walk into an elbow to the center of the face. Very devastating.

[@combatoutlook5184]

I like how he looks like a war veteran and you look like the nicest most huggable person ever

[@ehisey]

There are so many more elbows than shown in MT. Just the ones showing have to types: smashing (shown) and slashing ( were just the edge or tip of thelbow is used cause cuts)

[@timlinator]

I started training Muay Thai after earning my second degree black belt in Karate and it was very beneficial especially the elbow strike. Karate has a lot of elbow strikes in the kata's and other training but Muay Thai helps you to realize just how effective they are. Also trained no gi BJJ, it was my MMA phase but too old for that now. Still training Karate with a Muay Thai and BJJ influence. Cross train you will be a much better martial artist.

[@filipe_paixao]

Love Elbows! Elbow strikes, Elbow defenses, Elbow parries, Elbow counters

[@SenseiSeth]

👏👏👏

[@mambamolt7353]

Alright thank you I’ll try this when i spar with my sparring partner during our boxing sparring session,I’ll blame you is that okay?

[@SenseiSeth]

Haha let’s not do all that yet

[@danieltree8553]

I don't know if you've done a video on this yet but can you teach us how to breath while throwing a punch, shoulder, kick etc. to create the maximum power? Thank you, Sensei.

[@SenseiSeth]

Ooh, good idea!

[@mortalkomment8028]

@@SenseiSeth Yes, please. That would be great.

[@sonicfx5431]

@@SenseiSeth YES

[@CalmTiger18]

@@SenseiSeth do you already have a video about breathing?

[@yarinel3251]

5:21 sensei seth with the dad jokes

[@SenseiSeth]

You know how it is! Lmao

[@MrKrtek00]

He has the body, he has the jokes...

[@rcc8347]

I did Shotokan sport karate. And during normal techniques class we learnt elbows too. We didn’t do it only in Kata as you said. I just think the karate you do in the US (maybe) is different

[@jimbo1521]

I practice American kenpo karate and we have a ton of different elbows. Inward, outward, upward downward, and back elbows, plus some variations on those

[@rafaelbriganti502]

Muay Thai guy here. Awesome video, I love Kyokushin Karate! It's so neat!

[@alexlim1468]

i love elbows! fighters like Muangthai and Neunglanglek really show how brutal an elbow can be. But did not know that Karate also has these variations of elbow strikes as well! awesome video

[@Sunyayana]

Love the shoutout for Nathan "Carnage" Corbett! He's my primary Muay Thai instructor and sensei. It's amazing what your progress in Muay Thai has been like as well, Seth. Regarding the "straight elbow," I really like how you guys dissected it as being a different technique than the commonly-taught "uppercut elbow." It's not the same technique, once again. Personally, when I teach and coach, I call this elbow strike the "battering ram." That's what it feels like upon connection, and it's supposed to ram directly THROUGH the target. I think of it more like a blunt-force trauma inducing strike, rather than a "cutting" or "stabbing" strike. All the best 🙏

[@androanthony5853]

Many people don't know that karate also have elbow and knee attacks, it's just that you can't use that in competition because of it's rules but muay thai and karate is almost similar, it's just that in muay thai rules, you can use elbows and knees unlike karate that you can't

[@bluedogguy]

The Thai "up" elbow is interesting. Never heard it quite explained or demo'd that way. Thanks!

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks for watching!

[@ElixaWick]

In thai is called "Tad-ma-la = ทัดมาลา" this elbow is the most dangerous technic , cause they just need one step of movement (single action) but so powerful thought you head off. you should look this vid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZnVf4ygaql9nM0

[@VNSnake1999]

So sad that so many techniques of classic Karate are forbidden in modern/sport Karate.

[@ancientdarkness3102]

Unlike muay thai

[@thesgdib2459]

@@ancientdarkness3102 you do know that modern Muay Thai is the sport version of Muay Boran right...

[@jamesmorris7616]

Cause long term damage but is unnecessary to stop a fight or just won’t stop a fight but causes long term damage

[@bluebearie7230]

@@thesgdib2459 And now we have Leth Wei 🤣 btw. dw, i know the rivalry in the history of both countries in the end, any martial art has to be toned down to become a sport. some "modern" martial arts as we call it, having less and less restrictions by days.

[@ancientdarkness3102]

​@@thesgdib2459yup, but at least they kept all the main strikes, changing "only" The stance and the rythm

[@nicholasnj3778]

one of items my 1st Instructor gave all students was a Human Weapon Chart and Vital Points Cart, all Weapons were emphasized equally, including Elbows, Headbuts, Forearm and Shoulder Strikes ....

[@DangerousWaterMMA]

Seth! I was really inspired when you said: “However because I did not want to be done yet, I learned a lot of cool newer stuff through a different style. By keeping my doors open, and accepting other information, I grew.” If only more schools adopted that kind of thinking, mcdojos could grow into dojos. It is my hope that one day you will try learning the dangerous waters aiming style. Ask your boy Icy Mike. He knows. 🌊

[@SenseiSeth]

Waters aiming style?? Thanks!

[@diosdadoapias]

Please show the Muay Thai, TKD or BJJ variation of the Karate "weaponized" fist which only for actual self defense which many Karate practioner do not train for it because it is harsh and painful to train. I want to learn how they developed their extended knuckles the Ippon ken and the naka daka ken. tnx.

[@daxsheepard9344]

Being a Sensei Seth subscriber; it feels like such a gift to have found him.

[@forest5188]

I am skinny and tall elbows are my favorite to do and watch also

[@SenseiSeth]

Dang, those are awesome

[@kalebpratt5635]

Same

[@victorsrur134]

karate upward elbow can work with a haymaker/overhand defense,you block the punch with a boxing guard or age uke while hit with the elbow of the opposite hand

[@vicarious7858]

I love elbows. They always feel natural and just a joy to throw! See how many elbows you can throw in an hour next. What could possibly go wrong? 😂

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahaha my arms might fall off

[@AsianSwag97]

Me too, u dont get tired easily. Its minimal movement at close range distance. Elbow and knee all day

[@connoro331]

I just had a seminar with Nathan Carnage Corbett a month ago, and I thought Josh's elbows looked kind of similar. Felt super validated when he mentioned Carnage!

[@goldenlionness7317]

Love the elbows. I always taught them extensively in Self Defense classes for women along with palm heel because the elbow is so powerful. And easier to do than punching for those not well trained.

[@alexanderren1097]

Great video Seth! I’d love to see you do a collaboration with Iain Abernathy and/or Applied Shotokan some time. I’ve been really digging into applications from kata and I believe there are a LOT of techniques in kata that appear to be “knife hands” but are in fact elbow strikes keeping the hand and forearm up in a “knifehand” position simply to protect your head while crashing into your opponent with your elbows

[@HeavyHardDrive]

I have a simple 6 step elbow strike form. From a fighting stance it goes cross, reverse, rising, crashing, (step out into a horse stance) (grab) smashing, (little side step) thrusting.

[@goodbuy7556]

SenseI Seth, please make some videos about real karate bunkai(grappling with striking) and expose fake, mainstream one!!! :D

[@truevinister6278]

You should do a video comparing Karate and Muay Thai sweeps

[@SenseiSeth]

Would be sick!

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

Regarding the elbow strike from back is that you can use will against facing opponent without having to break sight of opponent if you understand footwork and stances

[@christopherburns6403]

This is an older video so I don’t know if you’ll see this but that back elbow from karate isn’t silly at all. You would be AMAZED how often I hit that in mma practice. Against the wall or in open space when people are trying to take your back you can get them in the body or even more often they don’t have correct head position and you can get them good in the face from behind you.

[@erminiovrandi8811]

Thx man you just doubled your potential viewers

[@qaannat]

but what about using elbows to block or lock or break or control? They don't all have to be slashes or smashes.

[@LeoE49]

The grab and elbow also appears in TKD poomsae. I always thought the grab was to parry the punch and the elbow was thrown against the attacker's knuckles to break the fist.

[@mortalkomment8028]

The great advantag of Muay Thai is that it actually practices elbows on opponents, if in tournament. No karate style practices elbows in any mortal kombat as far as we kommentators are concerned. Not even Kyokushinkai or Enshin. But the Karate elbows can still be dangerous if they actually hit.

[@rodneygoodwin3956]

That elbow to palm at 1:53 has a variation in tkd that comes out of reverse punch. Your entry leaves you exposed to his elbow to your head

[@maxx0978]

Hearing the shout out for Carnage was great! He used to train out of the same gym as me about 15 ish years ago

[@SenseiSeth]

Oh that’s cool!

[@maxx0978]

@@SenseiSeth we went to watch him fight one night at the Royal Pines resort on the Gold coast but the event got cut short due to a massive brawl between two rival biker gangs. I'll never forget that

[@SenseiSeth]

that’s crazy 😂😂 yea unforgettable for sure

[@j.d.4697]

You should also check out the *spinning overhead elbow.* Very interesting and I think unique to Muay Thai or Khmer boxing.

[@randombencounter263]

I really like that up-elbow. I have a hard time keeping my wrists straight when throwing uppercuts, throwing an elbow in place there seems like an easier and safer solution.

[@paulcosens9022]

Nice video - I love the elbow , such a powerful technique. Is it worth sharing that it can likely blast through an opponent’s defense if delivered powerfully? Also, when launching a power elbow, pretty much anywhere on the body, neck or face will do… presenting a very large and effective target. Sidesteps the risk of broken knuckles and wrists if a punch misses its target slightly.

[@polerin]

Sort of a weird cross disciplinary thing. I conceptualize flat track derby as a multi-person martial art where you can't kick or use your hands on an opponent. Sounds weird I know, but there's a shoulder clubbing motion in derby I actually teach by showing people elbow strikes. The whipping motion through the core that Josh demonstrates with the core is the basic component of that strike. Interesting enough. The really interesting thing, though, is that just because we don't use hands on opponents, it doesn't mean we can't grapple. I can use pressure from all parts of my shoulder complex to affect a large range of an opponent skater's body to stop, redirect, trap, and fight for position. I'd be interested in seeing how you might be able to extend/explain that concept with elbow (non-hand) grappling.

[@melisslacour15]

Great video as always! Awesome learning the differences!

[@adamwetzel6547]

What do you think of the downward elbow that Jonathan Haggerty throws at people's collar bone?

[@ellefsensbarmyarmy8491]

Many fighters throws that. Looks cool, but not very effective. The thais don’t like it much.

[@mjjohn7715]

Great content, keeping your mind open and continue to grow 👍

[@simoncanning6796]

With respect to the karate elbow techniques you demonstrated we have almost the same ones in hung kuen: the rising elbow, the jabbing elbow and the flat elbow to the hand. Those moves looked very familiar.

[@SenseiSeth]

Nice!

[@nicholasnj3778]

I believe the 1st Elbow thrown by Josh is also in Yondan Kata, the Bunkai should include lead as well as rear elbow with grabbing the head (as in the Kata) but also without grabbing the head , I see you show these examples at 2:18 or so but the Bunkai should also include exacly what Josh shows

[@blank9786]

aww I was kinda hoping to see a 12-6 elbow from the Muay Thai guy

[@dragostoma9033]

This video is amazing I really love elbow strikes, they are probably my favorites

[@SenseiSeth]

They’re pretty dang cool for sure!

[@dragostoma9033]

@@SenseiSeth you should do a video about knees as well or punches why not, i really like tgis kind of content It's like middle ground between all martial arts

[@SenseiSeth]

@@dragostoma9033 great idea!

[@kazumasjourneyofsong511]

Getting hit by those elbows are the fastest form of transportation To hell

[@PerunaMuayThai]

Nice work on the techniques. I enjoyed that perspective.

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks for watching!

[@darrengrotyohann1174]

Great vid. But i must say that while the muay thai guy showed in detail how he moves the body you showed more of the context of when you should throw it. I think there is more to say about body dynamics as well that could maje it more interesting (at least for me) but still a great vid

[@jamesmcaffie]

Love this! Thank you for sharing your expertise! I love karate and muay thai, so this is perfect!

[@SenseiSeth]

Josh is the man!

[@jamesmcaffie]

@@SenseiSeth both of you are 💪👊💯

[@SenseiSeth]

🙏🙏🙏

[@jamesmcaffie]

@@SenseiSeth 🥋🙏

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks for watching 🙏

[@paulocostasbaby5659]

Seth's a legend

[@Docinaplane]

All great techniques by both of you! How about the superman horizontal elbow and the jumping 12 to 6 elbow :-)

[@SenseiSeth]

Very cool elbows as well!

[@ghostbombl8034]

I would hate be in fire of the blue dude strike.Those are very powerful strikebon the back and I doubt he going full on top that.Guy in the black gee also has some very strong elbow forms as well.

[@gerardocovarrubias1127]

so sensei seth great work on your martial arts vds keep it up and like i said the best kickboxing styles i choose are sanda,muay thai,savate thanks to you and thanks to me and also martial arts depns on you not the style thats what i know

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks my man!

[@gerardocovarrubias1127]

@@SenseiSeth and i now know that sanda and sanshou are the same style

[@p3drocesar760]

The most powerful weapon of the body in my opinion

[@AllesausLiebef95]

Great content as always!

[@mikertist347]

Great video! Can we get knees next?!

[@haydenford9587]

I like how this shows that muay thai elbows are their own attacks and karate elbows are for a rhythm/pattern for a sequence

[@ancientdarkness3102]

Very True, although in my muay thai Classes back in the day the main elbows we were taught were the ones right after having closed the distance by throwing a knee, and the sequence definetly reminds me of whats shown in seths katas in the video where he elbows right after a front kick

[@personperson2706]

I never thought bending ur arm and hitting someone with a joint bone would vary with style...now I question everything...still very awesome vid

[@SenseiSeth]

Haha thanks my friend!

[@666Havers]

There are no styles just human movement

[@haydenford9587]

@@SenseiSeth this comment reminds me of what you said with the karate nerd "we all bend the same ways"

[@SenseiSeth]

We do!! Some just more than others haha

[@49440370]

Elbow is the most deadly weapon in Muay Thai especialy in Muay Thai Boran.

[@SRTTren]

Josh looks like Joe Schillings long lost twin Lol. Great video quality btw.😁

[@SenseiSeth]

Hey thanks for noticing!!

[@SenseiSeth]

Also he sorta does 😂

[@nataliaxd3777]

Sense I Seth I just started doing kenpo karate I love it I thought karate was just kicks and strikes but found out there boxing and grappling as well do you do think American kenpo effective in the streets

[@tensae4725]

You should try Lethwei man. Or at least do some tutorials on the headbutts.

[@SenseiSeth]

That’d be dope!!

[@brycekeeney4995]

Videos every Monday and Thursday wow!. Just curious on average how long does it take from the time you have an idea to film, edit, and finally we see the video, take to complete?

[@SenseiSeth]

Maybe 5-10 hours? But spread out through a couple days usually!

[@DrCuh]

welcome back to another episode of seth slowly turns to a muay thai fighter

[@sonicfx5431]

Seth is the best 💯💯

[@TheLockon00]

But what are better, knees or elbows? MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT!!

[@Fadogar911]

thirdly, the highlight of this video

[@Mike_Nowlan]

The number one reason I won’t be watching the PFL even tho Pettis just joined is that they don’t allow elbows.

[@SenseiSeth]

That’s crazy, I didn’t know that

[@enzocarneiro6748]

American promotions have bad rule sets like the cage who favors wrestlers no knee or kick to a grounded opponent who favors wrestlers and the judging style who surprisingly also favors wrestlers

[@nicksalvatore5717]

@@SenseiSeth wait for real... no elbows? I had no idea. I also didn’t know Pride didn’t allow elbows for ages

[@ZackofAllTradesct]

Hey man. Congrats on 50k subs.

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks!!

[@rasalghul9331]

Gekisai elbow is not a follow up to a knee kick. The reason you stomp after the kick in the kata is you are defending against somehow who caught your kick. So you stomp down hard to release your foot. This naturally draws the person who was holding your foot to bow downwards. That is when the upward elbow smashes to person in the nose/face.

[@TheWillToFight]

I love elbows Savage

[@SenseiSeth]

Elbows are dope!!

[@debu2849]

In México we show respect to the flag whit or hand in horizontal on the chest. And my teacher of Muay Thai teach me the elbows whit that concept xd

[@xaviersfinance2664]

SETH I AM GOING TO A UFC GYM ON MONDAY!!!!

[@christosmenelaou58]

Well compared to sport karate atleast Muay thai athletes compared to karate athletes would utilise the elbow better since they use it a daily basis in their training whereas karatekas as far as I am aware just use it kata and self defence choreography. So not much pressure testing or repetitive training.

[@Noah-og6ll]

Which is your karate style ?

[@Sander50cc]

I think its Kenpo

[@Noah-og6ll]

@@Sander50cc ок

[@salamangkali-allmartialart4836]

Karate elbows are for breaking bones and joints. Muay Thai elbows are for cuts and KOs.

[@ellefsensbarmyarmy8491]

Karate elbows are for katas. Muay Thai elbow are for full contact fighting.

[@ajwall1]

Obligatory defense of taekwondo here! I learned and taught traditional jidokwan and we used all the exact same elbows as in karate in a mixture of our forms, one-steps, and hapkido/hand to hand. Too bad so few schools still focus on it now but it was once commonplace.

[@SenseiSeth]

Haha nice! Yea Hapkido is pretty similar

[@ajwall1]

@@SenseiSeth overall yes. But that's likely because hapkido and taekwondo instructors crosstrained while teaching the Korean and american military around the Vietnam war.

[@siamwittheerasasawat7704]

I think use long guard will be easy to use elbow hit.

[@divin3zr105]

I do Wadoriu a style of karate

[@Vinnay94]

Sensei Seth: Subscribe or I'll elbow you Cobra Kai: YES SENSEI!!!

[@CykelSierra]

For the Naihanchi elbow check out this video from Jesse kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6iQiIGqj9GjqZo In kata, elbows are usually thrown while controlling the opponent's limbs in close quarters

[@SenseiSeth]

Jesse’s got great videos on Bunkai 👏

[@Aj9Livess]

good stuff as always sensei, always cool to see have a lesson :D also your muay thai instructor is the epitome of masculinity

[@jackgriffiths7991]

I always think karate is not very affective say in a street fight compared to muayThai. What do you think am I wrong ?????

[@BearMetro]

Does your Muay Thai instructor have his own channel?

[@regordo313]

Dude where is your Gym? I’d love to train and learn some Karate, I excel in Muay Thai and a few other arts.

[@idrisghani5905]

Sensei Seth, I love your videos. One question, Do you think the wax on wax off technique in Karate Kid actually affective for blocking and parrying in a fight?

[@SenseiSeth]

Yep! Watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqu2XpWhZtB_r68

[@idrisghani5905]

Thanks man, your the best!

[@SenseiSeth]

Yessir!!

[@kaonieoh]

Karate elbow to muay thai elbows is like flips from a champion break dancer and flips by an Olympic gymnist. The break dancer is good but the gymnist is something else.