Senzo Meyiwa Murder Trial | 22 May 2024

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[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

So mngo was not sleeping during the proceedings but patiently waiting for the moment of truth 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kellybasic7210]

Ska ba hemisa, confuse the enemy 🤣

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

Futhi mngooo uhamba nabo even though bona bengaboni🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nomvulahnkomo6995]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bbm2116]

​@@kellybasic7210😂😂😂😂

[@lebogangrichard246]

Mngomezulu is the King ,He is able to destroy 3days cooking with just a pinch of salt 👑

[@KkjHhh-jc6rt]

👑👑👑👑👑👑 Mzulu

[@katlegoskatlelogymaleka]

😂😂😂

[@andilefunda6186]

That one is a top Dog

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

We are cruising nicely well done Mngooooo o mopêrêsidente wa sataforika from now on, i heard you went to school ko Botswana thats why o le clever sooo💥💥🔥🔥cant wait for 2mr🤸🏿‍♀️🎊🥳

[@Olcool]

So when the handset was in Voslorus it was with him and when it was away it was no longer with him. hahahahaha. Cooking evidence.

[@Tebogo-bi9dl]

Funniest thing ever 😂😂

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

This is a disgrace seriously....a whole procecutor bandla.......just like that

[@vusumuzijeromembatha362]

Ayi this phone it looks like it was making and receiving ng calls on it's own yeeer

[@rita_TM]

Yes Judge whoever had the phone was moving with it in Gauteng, but the biggest issue now is that we can't tell who had that phone. All Gouws is presenting still doesn't prove that Ntanzi had the phone. It could be the IO/police who were moving around with his phone editing pictures.

[@user-pt9qd8ib7v]

Wow.......Mngomezulu has crack this case beyond reasonable doubt, Gouws always say," i don't know my Lord, which is true, he does not know neither towers or numbers & owners, but the investigator do, bcos he is the one who gave him numbers...wow Mngomezulu is brilliant..👌🎉🎉🎉❤❤✊🏼✊🏼

[@lindabenedictmdlalose8530]

If accused No.2 Ntanzi had a phone with him since his arrest, then why did he ask Magistrate Cronje if he could make a call to his family so that they can bring him toiletries so he can bath, and also say hello to his daughter and let them know he's arrested because they don't know what happened to him. Mmmmm .......you see if you sticked to the truth, them you don't have to make up lies as you go along Baloyi. Goodbye, you failed your case on this cooked docket, now we are tired of your 128 state witnesses, bring the other docket and 7 eye witnesses that were in the house, finish 'n klaar, those are the key witnesses who will lead us to the truth.

[@rita_TM]

I'm interested to find out who he called with this phone. if the phone was not confiscated at the arrest then why was it a crime for Ntanzi to have his phone. I remember hearing evidence that the phones were confiscated 2 phones at the arrest. so did they find 2 cellphones in Ntanzi's room. coz 1 phone belonged to the sister.

[@kingmelano9882]

Ntanzi requested to call his child and family when he was taken for confession by magistrate Gronje.If he had a phone he could have called. Remember they hid him for 8days somewhere without appearing before the court.

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

Judge has a loose tongue problem, he can't even give the defence a chance to elaborate further; but when it comes to the state he gives more than what has been required.

[@sabhukumberikwazvo1672]

How on Earth was Tanzi able to charge his Phone?

[@MphoChakane-gz3jz]

State comprises with prominent Gininda & my poor mkhaya puppet Baloyi. Where in entire universe can detainee, moreso the allegedly high profile suspect is detained to the police holding cells with the mobile cellphone, again if so ,where or who was charging that cellphone cause on holding cells there's no electrical socket, thirdly when the suspect arrested was he allowed to take along the cellphone charger, was independent police officers on their routine cells inspection such blind to able such long period of cellphone presence in the cells, as they were constantly taking him out at any given time without insurance he'll be brought back to the same place. Lastly that Gouws guy was so deadly confident from onset now on roasted questions he now don't know the tower's name place. Today was worth it

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

Well explained👏👏👏

[@christinamoila5644]

Which means Ntanzi was busy answering his phone in front of the police officers and they allowed him since he was no in chains??? Ntanzi had freedom bakithi. Someone, please make it to understand.

[@Unknownman2024]

So Mgo set the trap for baloi to be catched as he was showing the sign of somebody who was celebrating when Baloi was objecting with hands gesture like he was saying Yes i got you now

[@rita_TM]

the state wants us to believe that Ntanzi was arrested and was moving from police station to police station with his cellphone? isn't the protocol of the police to search them and remove contraband items...

[@fionandlovu5104]

The state is really desperate to pin Ntanzi on this case. As far as we are all aware that once arrested they take all belongings away from the suspect to avoid to temper with evidence while they are still investigating. Why did Ntanzi had his phone pillar to post because to me it seems it's not once. Baloyi needs to gather his facts together before the court. All his lies are being exposed to whole world. Shame on him and even his father Ratha he can see that Baloyi is cooking like what Mgo said

[@freddievanrensburg982]

Correct 100%..Saps not up to standard.

[@rita_TM]

@@fionandlovu5104 exactly he was moving from one police station in the presence of police while having his cellphone!!! It’s not adding up Baloyi

[@nonikomaluleks317]

😅​@@fionandlovu5104

[@memotshabangu6120]

Its not a crime to know each other we need evidence that there were there when Senzo was killed

[@masakaunga4099]

And they're failing to show that evidence

[@freddievanrensburg982]

Think those within in the Khumalo house know the complete story. Why wasting time on this? South Africans need to know the truth with competent Judges.

[@user-gv8pf7ez5w]

They say they don't know each other on record

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

Are these guys arrested for knowing each other or they were arrested for killing Senzo Meyiwa? For me this case was over the day the DNA results was out saying negative...

[@sarahvilane3789]

But remember Baloyi is using substantive evidence not a direct evidence

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

So Ntanzi a dangerous criminal was handcuffed being transported to different police stations with his cellphone in his possession

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

Remember he was also escorted by EMPD😂😂😂

[@Ms_Mankotham]

And hawks and all police in the whole of Africa 😅😅

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

Some of the things guys you just need to laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and watch

[@tshedisomthethwa8626]

Lets laught at Baloyi😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-kg1dx7ld7p]

If the phone of ntanzi was with him how was it charged .....for 6 months

[@katlobothokenosi1055]

8 months actually 🤣do prison cells have charge portals maybe😂no mara baloyi thinks re di domkop mo🤦🏽‍♀️

[@mahlatsinkadimeng1132]

So meaning, Ntanzi went to jail with his charger

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

@@mahlatsinkadimeng1132 yah neh😂😂

[@Constance-dm8hr]

Baloyi's lies are now catching up with him. He is now exposing the police incompetence and lies. What could be their reason to not confinsticate Ntanzi's phone? How come it didn't ring when they were driving around with him? So that phone's battery never died or did he have a charger?

[@chad4898]

😅😅th way ramosepidi looks at king mngo destroying gouws lies

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

…but judge why is there no difference between the handset and a person when it comes to Ntanzi? Double-standards in this Midnight trial.

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

I noticed in the past few day Mngomezulu was not worried about Gouw evidence,he was looking bored in that courtroom then today he took less than 30 minutes to destroy the 3 days evidence of Mr Gouws😂😂😂

[@rhulaniedward1463]

Lols 😂

[@SiyabongaButhelezi-lf3xo]

Yep I saw that too 😂and today is my birthday Mr Mngo made my day 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@rita_TM]

5:11:03 it’s funny that the state uses this logic only when it suits them. Baloyi just finished leading evidence that Ntanzi’s phone was with Ntanzi based on the movement of the phone but when it comes to Accused no.3 the state is saying all this evidence just means the phone was not in Vosloo but the accused may have been there… so why wasn’t the same logic used for Ntanzi??? Ah still how is the state going to prove accused 3 was in vosloorus by his alleged gun? 😂😂😂 ah State fix your case the puzzles are not fitting in nicely

[@LwandoNzala]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tebogo-bi9dl]

So with Accused 2 the phone was with him, no doubt. But when it comes to Accused 3 we can say the the phone was not in Voslorus but we can't be sure about the person 😂😂 Baloi is a joke

[@nomvulahnkomo6995]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@abelmnguni3629]

True that and also remember abo mokgola and mokgane were always around the area where ntanzi was kept

[@abelmnguni3629]

Which phone was accused 3 using if he was at voslorus but his phone somewhere at Johannesburg

[@Tebogo-bi9dl]

@abelmnguni3629 the same number the state is saying accused 3 called accused 5 with, was not in Voslorus on the 26&27

[@Olcool]

The same argument that Baloi used on accused number 3 can be used on accused number 2's phone that he was not with the phone.

[@RhythmReelersafrica]

Definitely making Mngomezulu my family lawyer

[@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps]

Heavily armed guys left the so called dangerous criminal unsearched from 16 june 2020 till 8 February 2021.😂😂😂😂😂

[@bbm2116]

Imajin 🙄😏🚮

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

Cabanga👎How stupid is that? The state think we are stupid

[@nomarussia5085]

2024 the year of exposing all lies

[@kellybasic7210]

How can he comfortably say the police will deny taking ntanzi's phone when he was arrested as if he had a choice to keep his phone on him

[@nonikomaluleks317]

Makes zero sense

[@chad4898]

Th judge looked worried 😮

[@khanyilekhanyile436]

Yes he is worried because he sees that baloyi is lying

[@andilesbosomahhashi7899]

If accuse 2 was carrying his phone why did not call his family then? 🙄

[@user-kg1dx7ld7p]

The phone answered itself at jhb....😂

[@Adjudicator246]

The defence must be cautious during cross-examination to avoid 'opening doors' that could enable the state to introduce new evidence into the court.

[@dannym7593]

So Baloyi is saying that accused no. 2 cellphone was only found in 2021, meaning that he was hiding it from the police all along.

[@kellybasic7210]

Mngo ke boza... Bathong Baloyi. I'm still in shock at you today. Yoh.... 😂😂😱

[@ndumisomelusi]

Mshololo is impressed

[@lengaumosotho]

Imagine having supposedly "freely and voluntarily" obtained confessions and still being this confused about proving your case?

[@PNk489]

Now the phone was on its own, the owner was somewhere in vosloo during the death of Senzo????

[@Mbali-ho6bw]

🤣🤣🤣🤣hey

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

Yah neh Baloyi is a comedian shame

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Baloyi the food is getting rotten

[@RhythmReelersafrica]

The accused must drop all the other lawyers and keep Mrs and Mngom

[@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps]

Cellphone tower information was also edited to match the avl version of the police 😂😂😂 but akuhlangani

[@vusumuzijeromembatha362]

They tried shame 🤣🤣

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

Am impressed by the judge today. When mngo was telling mr Shellfone all the locations of the towers...the judge kept laughing and gave a silly smile to prove that its all a lie but go on😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kellybasic7210]

He even knew some of the places. I think he remembers the avl evidence very well too

[@xolanimahlinza7396]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Baloyi saying that the phone was moving with someone 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@kellybasic7210]

And then at some point returned to ntanzi who never had visitors cz of covid 🤣

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

@@kellybasic7210 Indeed, there's a big thing going on in this case, it sometimes reminds me what both Adv Nel Gerrie SC and Adv Teffo Malisela corroborated in saying "there was a fight happening in the house and Senzo intervene to separate them and he was mistakenly shot by Kelly; with a revolver gun to belongs to Chicco brought by his son.

[@Patty_6909]

The judge heard that. 😁😁😁😁Ntanzi has never been at Avalom. Moroka police station does ot use that tower.... Ramosepedi verify this on the coverage websites

[@glenmoakamedi6178]

😂its on fire 🔥😭🔥😭 Mgo you are the best

[@PNk489]

Baloyi you defeated today

[@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps]

Aah Baloi kemoloi straight 😂😂😂 cellphone with someone else and returned again to accused 2😂😂😂😂 ai umthakathi Baloi

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

Ukhohlakele uBaloyi stru

[@jenatlee]

🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤kuphuka Baba Mngo

[@demid1740]

Judge wanted the witness to say he will not be available tomorrow so bad

[@abelmnguni3629]

Baloi is a joke he produced the very same ducuments to prove the accused communicated around voslorus,now that the very evidence takes accused 3 away from the scene he objects and say its the device that is not in voslorus but not him

[@kellybasic7210]

Mad... Just mad

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

Sometimes you just need to laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...so the device was there without the owner?

[@kellybasic7210]

@@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt 🤣🤣🤣if its in voslorus the owner is there, if its away he is not there, he is in voslorus without the phone

[@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt]

It gives cat and mouse games😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ms_Mankotham]

@@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mtlet’s laugh together 😅😅😂😂😂😂

[@lesegokgotlhang6434]

If I am not mistaken, the analyst could not access the messages when downloading the cellphone because of security protection (either password, pattern or biometrics). So the easiest thing to me to solve this issue is to check if the messages appear as "read". If that is the case, then it's either the owner of the cellphone or someone who was given the password.

[@YTL-hi5ll]

It was deliberate in quest to make people think Ntanzi had the phone throughout with a charger; 18 June 2024 next to the engine garage the phone was on....

[@thulanidngubane8603]

It's obvious, the phone was with police.

[@louisamaduna]

If Ntanzi had his phone on him from 16 june to feb 2021 who bought him airtime ,and where did he charge his phone?

[@dannym7593]

You're asking the wrong people, Ntanzi should tell us and as always he'll lie and act innocent

[@mahlatsinkadimeng1132]

How did he even get a charger?

[@nonikomaluleks317]

​@@dannym7593uyahlanya wena ufana noyihlo uBaloyi. Ntanzi wayezohlala kanjan nephone kuma holding cells ehla enyuka nayo ehamba nenqwaba yamaphoyisa? Uthithiza njengoBaloi wena

[@vusumuzijeromembatha362]

​@@dannym7593the wheels are turning mfana kabaloyi, amanga aya ngokuvela manje just watch the space 👀

[@user-hb1ry6bm8r]

Are you disputing that prisoners or detained inmates can have cell phones 📱

[@Adjudicator246]

The state's claim that the cellphone unit, SIM card, and memory card tracked accused No. 2's movements is improbable without inside help, which is also unlikely. An accomplice would need detailed knowledge of No. 2's movements and the ability to bypass holding cell security. This scenario is highly improbable. It will be interesting to see how the prosecution proves this in re-examination.

[@ChynaRSA]

Ziyakhala 🔥💯

[@user-uo7sd6fm4z]

This case is really interesting, the state were so relying on phones/Sect 205 to place and prove that the accused were either at crime scene or know each other but immediately when technicalities arise now they want to separate the cellphones from the accused yet they own them. Ntanzis cellphone was in his possession after detention for 8 crazy months and the state is adamant but when it picks up different towers from where he was detained now suddenly the state puts that somebody else was involve to move it around. Amazing 😮 failure of the so called cold case unit to do their required procedure on day of arrest and the state to accept such vague evidence to produce b4 court. Lets wait and see 👀

[@Mpho618]

One can hire Mngomezulu you won't regret

[@KhanyiNala]

Manje ubaloyi ufuna ukusitshela ukuthi untazi waboshwa wahlala ngefoni yakhe smakade sezulu enza amacall uchajelwa ubani ngalo umogane hau Jesus kudlaliwe ngath😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@rita_TM]

How did mogane know about the cellphone? Coz it seems Ntanzi had that phone for 8 months before they found it… what lead him to find the phone vele…. Ay state sidlala ngathi

[@TshepoBiloane]

😂😂

[@kellybasic7210]

So it is the accused's phones and numbers that were communicating at those dates and times. So they know each other and they were communicating... but since they were not at the crime scene during that communication we can say it was the handset that wasn't there not the accused. Ahh baloyi

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

😂😂😂😂 Baloyi is shifting the goalposts now after Mngo exposed him

[@Spholamagates]

Ziyakhala manje,

[@PhumeleleKoni]

I can see clearly now the storm/rain is gone🙏

[@carolinesimayile952]

Those who said he was sleeping where are they now

[@king7324]

Aw Advocate Mngo... Badle izithende... 😂😂 Kubo

[@jeffreymagongoe8883]

Then let the state proof he was in vosloorus as the instrument was not the

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

Exactly

[@Adjudicator246]

The state would benefit from adopting a version in which Accused No. 2's SIM card and memory card moved with him, and he used any available cellphone handset opportunistically. This approach is only viable if the cellphone data supports it. One would need to follow the forensic data (IMEI) closely to confirm this.

[@NomceboMhlongo-vw6cm]

Baloyi mfethu Koda jesu

[@memotshabangu6120]

Philosophy

[@user-qd9dk7cq4x]

So Ratha can only see properly when there are no glasses

[@raisibe-bn4sw]

I noticed that 😂

[@dannym7593]

Short sighted I guess

[@Adjudicator246]

Yes. There is a category of people who suffer from nearsightedness, which is a common vision condition where distant objects appear blurry while close objects can be seen clearly.

[@bbm2116]

​@@Adjudicator246I'm one of them 😢

[@Adjudicator246]

@@bbm2116 Alas, I need correction for both nearsightedness and far-sightedness. I understand your pain.😥

[@abudlkader927]

It will be interesting to see how the defence will negotiate these cell phone records??😮😮😮

[@memotshabangu6120]

Waste of time for this witness

[@innocentzulu5688]

ask the guy who was arrested before you can up the touch screen into your stomach then remove it when inside the prison

[@khayakhaya4282]

the state bought kfc ,water ,drive him around because he was board ,let him have his phone,as a dangerous man its funny as per there evidence now they want us to believe the that accused no 3 communicated with accused no5 but on the 26 of sep when senzo was killed accused gave his cell to someone else shame baloyi

[@user-hb1ry6bm8r]

I see clueless people about law proceedings takes things personally 😂😂😂😂 You see accused people as wrongly convicted and we also see them as perpetrators in this matter respect that

[@buyisiwemasondo2079]

I see a clueless person saying the accused persons are convicted😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-hb1ry6bm8r]

Hense my reason of saying convicted is because those who believe the accused are being framed are saying the judge has already ruled against them as guilty Let’s be on the same level of understanding please 🙏 it wasn’t a careless mistake

[@bildaledwaba8074]

Die straat loop dood,culdisack road 🛑 sign 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💪

[@sibongisenimasilela7467]

Poor Baloyi😂😂😂😂

[@kellybasic7210]

Baloyi thinks we are dandaheads, ng ng nyaaya, no, eh eh, xhaa

[@innocentzulu5688]

it was inside the accused its a miracle if you dont know

[@Phumlani-cc6mu]

umi ngenkani Baloi manje ayikho lento 😂

[@Mcmng]

😂😂😂

[@Mcmng]

Ayi uBaloyi 😂😂😂😂

[@Ms_Mankotham]

4:26:13 ratana” laugh though. Very insulting

[@thusoramakobya7054]

Presumption...

[@gladysmkhize4085]

In South Africa we don't have many smart ppl I don't know maybe its the way we grow up I don't know its our education or our food but its something the way we think it very poor

[@jmpgroupandmalopeptyltd3856]

Why do you say so

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

@@jmpgroupandmalopeptyltd3856 Yah nami I want to hear Gladys's response🤔

[@gladysmkhize4085]

I notice this, in our comments in this case ,and in politics we don't think deep we just say anything not everyone but many

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Baloyi needs to bring another witness from the house

[@user-qd9dk7cq4x]

How many did he bring already?

[@LwandoNzala]

​@@user-qd9dk7cq4x3 only 😂

[@petronkosi7422]

3 of them...

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

He must bring Kelly and Longwe

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

i maintain the facts that in senzo's cellphone there was an evidence of which it could have assisted in closing this case. So as the cellphones of many people who were there before he was accidentally shot e.g 1. Revolver gun, 2. Person with dreadlocks, 3. Person wears a scotch bream hat. Those are trio elements that are relevant in solving this case.

[@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps]

Longwe twala siyeza kuwe.😂😂😂

[@dombilezondishezi7403]

Mngomezulu🎉

[@user-wq1zf8ze8r]

I salute the detectives of this case. They still investigating bringing new evidence everyday. When their evidence is weak the defence lawyers are helping them to bring strong evidence. Long live Gininda long live 💪

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

I hope you are sarcastic

[@mvelongcobo-gv9nu]

MR MNGOMEZULU

[@NQA1209]

They are wasting a lot of time

[@tshepomasetle9990]

This case is over

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Ratha is laughing

[@YTL-hi5ll]

No sleep for the State, Gindida & the Court. They are cooking, the phone vs accused #3. They will add another 2 to 6 months to lead new evidence on this matter.

[@siyabulelabrucecamagu5755]

The lion king on fire 🔥

[@georgeboya2085]

The state think there too smart,they know very well that if they bring 205 for Ntanzi it will show straight where the phone was it will pin Mogola s place

[@mimidiwu330]

I thot babegidingoma ooNtanzi nge 26/10/14 why all these calls while they were in a party eVols coz uZungu lost 3of them kwaduka neskiya semotor babuya after 20:00+ bengena kamerwen ye host all of a sudden car keys ziyavela they returning fire arms kumnikaz wendawo,,so was it coincidental that they were out in the evening same hour/s Senzo was murderd?? Or its really cooked up ev🤔😰

[@nonikomaluleks317]

Ok but the question is out where?

[@mimidiwu330]

@@nonikomaluleks317 state must prove the 'where' coz abameli r certain ukuthi they never have been into Khumalo's although nabo bengekaskhombisi UBA exactly where they were on the night

[@ndumisomelusi]

Uphi u Nxumalo

[@thulanidngubane8603]

Shellfon records today is about Ash M Ashes without any meaning. It's not even Pls Call Me. Just Ash M Ash never been seen before. ❤️🇿🇦

[@innocentzulu5688]

the 205s are exposing what hapened

[@nokuthulamahlangu8727]

what happened?

[@gogolesh]

@gogolesh🇦🇺 Mngo you are there to defend hee

[@mduduzijiyane500]

Kakakaka kikikikiki tlitlitlitli @Phinds Shoba yooh ungibulalelani ngensini ngathi uphuza uJuba kakakaka kikikikiki tlitlitlitli yoooh Ssssit tjerrrrr moerskont you Mae my day yezwa I've been waiting for this comment for so long from day one ngimuzwa uJuba ngathi ae did one is not make sure ngathi uyatswafa ukukhuluma udle inyaope uqeda kuqhaqha u Arosta sebambambile abanikaz be phone bathi khulummmmma☝😂🤣😂🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@sthembisowalter4464]

Yerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@thandazanimadonda3891]

Kodwa uthathwe kephi lo Tolika😮