Sephiroth Beginner's Guide - Moves and Frame Data [SSBU]

Sephiroth Beginner's Guide - Moves and Frame Data
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CORRECTIONS (comparing with ultimateframedata.com): They're right: U Tilt is -18 on shield, not -19 Pivot Grab is active 11-12, not 10-11 F Throw's FAF is 35, not 34 B Throw's FAF is 32, not 33 U Throw's FAF is 33, not 34 OW D Smash is -17 on shield, not -20 Fair is -10 on shield, not -9 Landing Dair is -19 on shield, not -20 Up Special is -27 on shield, not -26 They're wrong: F Tilt is active 14-16, not 14-15 Bair is -10 on shield, not -11 Uair is -16 on shield, not -17 Unsure Neutral Special and Down Special. Maybe different definitions? CLARIFICATIONS: For beginners: 1) “FAF” means “First Actionable Frame”. This is the first frame after an action that you can start another action. 2) “Shield Adv” is the difference in frames between the time you can act and the time the opponent can act after hitting their shield with the move. For Vets: 1) Labbed by me. 2) Stale moves turned ON. All moves fresh. 3) Shield Advantage measured when hitting with first active frame of move. 4) All shield advantage values are for the sweet spot of the moves. 5) Aerial shield advantage is for a full hop, hitting one frame before landing. 6) Smash shield advantage is for uncharged smashes. 7) Invulnerability on throws does not include hitlag frames. 8) First active and actionable frames for neutral B assume release as early as possible. 9) Multihit moves activity values are the first frames of the first and last hitboxes. 10) Dair activity past frame 53 is seemingly beyond relevance. 11) Jab displays shield advantage of Jab 3 and FAF of Jab 1.

[@JonnyJPlayer]

First reply lolol

[@ivanfeliciano1986]

Thanks Bro! This is really done with love and dedication . (My fiance is gonna love it) 😁

[@zakkutv1623]

That landing lag is bad, but he is SOO FUN to play with.

[@Ablackguy]

If he didn’t have landing lag he’d be smash 4 bayonetta 2.0

[@jovannydiazabad6123]

Sadly he isn't Bayo 2.0😭

[@Murr248]

Thank god he’s not. Otherwise the community would hate on him and he’d get insta-nerfed

[@gracefulcharity8412]

Man so happy one of my all time favourite characters is in smash !!!! Anybody and everybody else is considered irrelevant to me now. Unless they blow us out of the water with someone even cooler. At that point I can't even think of anyone.

[@alejkun4923]

Doomslayer

[@nomado.3855]

Doom Slayer, Geralt of Rivia, Kratos, Master Chief.

[@CloudyIsle07]

Right? Personally, it’s going to be difficult to hype me up as much as Sephiroth has with DLC going forth.

[@onyx_ebony7153]

I always love to learn, especially from amazing teachers like yourself! Thank You Orio :)

[@chyaaaaaaaaa]

Estuans interius Ira vehementi Estuans interius Ira vehementi SEPHIROTH

[@Oz1455]

I still haven't seen frame data regarding shield advantage, so this is very useful to me. Pleasantly surprised Nair is -5 on shield. Got the impression it had quite little ending lag (makes up for it's startup). Fantastic presentation and graphics.

[@nicorivera4]

Thank you so much for the precise and detailed breakdown! I'm (fairly) new to smash and want to start playing somewhat competitively. Sephiroth immediately caught my eye and he will 100% be my main going forward. Watching this makes me feel like I have another piece of the puzzle put together!

[@onyx_ebony7153]

I already had FrenzyLight's video open in another tab so I could watch it right after this xD

[@AspiringMusicianO]

Beautiful

[@mister_onigiri3893]

Look this damage, HOLY MOLY DUDE!!!!

[@miguelcastro2164]

Missed you bro

[@louisvuittondonvg9040]

My man!!!

[@randomd00d19]

What I want the most is hitbox data. The back swing of upsmash connects inconsistently and I want to know what parts of the sword are actually active.

[@r3d4ctd75]

Next is Ken Kaneki on smash bros? 😂😂

[@Simbaninogaming]

His moves has no much lag but I mean the rage he has is insane so I think he is very balance except for the down air being a pain to deal with at ledge...

[@danielnewcomer8120]

Comment for the algorithm 👌

[@rodrigocroda7558]

Will you upload a intermediate guide or something? Or depth-guide?

[@yesisk8t]

I'd love to see you do pikachu

[@louisschneidt3415]

The dtilt shield advantage is that when hitting the shield with the last active frame?

[@STAWBsOrio]

See pinned comment ;-)

[@thunderd7904]

Can someone please explain to me how his counter works? I don’t understand it.

[@haroohusky]

His counter is the only counter in the game that will hit even if the opponent doesn't hit you first. However, if they hit you while the honey comb shield is up, the attack he normally uses reflects a percentage of damage he would have taken. It can block projectiles but sadly not reflect them.

[@RisingStar142]

Like the FE if you hit him well he's in his counter stance hard, you're gonna die however with sephiroth counter, even if you get baited or hit it early it still go off with those light flashes but the damage with be treated as a normal attack instead of a killing blow.

[@thunderd7904]

@@haroohusky can’t it break somehow? That’s the part in the presentation I didn’t understand.

[@haroohusky]

@@thunderd7904 It can break under attacks such as DK's B and Samus's fully charged B but Sephiroth suffers no harm.

[@thunderd7904]

@@haroohusky ok, is there some kind of criteria for what breaks it? Is it just charged attacks? So would sun salutation break it, but warlock punch not? Or is it based off damage or knock back or what?

[@anthonymasterofthedarkarts52]

I’m stupid, what does FAF mean?

[@bananaguy238]

Full animation frames, it’s just how long the animation lasts

[@anthonymasterofthedarkarts52]

@@bananaguy238 ah thank you

[@raekwonchambers2297]

Don’t worry you weren’t the only stupid one I was looking for this comment cuz I didn’t know either lol

[@STAWBsOrio]

It actually means “First actionable frame”, but amounts to the same thing.

[@Bean_Burrito00]

I find him very clunky i don’t really like but once u start grasping his move set it not that bad but im still going to mash cuz why not he has big sword

[@Heartache2491]

He's very strong, but I wish he had just a tiny bit less lag, and the fair was an overarching slash instead of a poke. The poke is so hard to space with ;-;

[@keybearer26]

It's best to short hop fair or connect it from neutral air. Either sephiroth kills early or struggles to kill sometimes

[@brucewayne3295]

So for someone who doesn't quite understand frame data, is Sephie a competitive character or is he too laggy?

[@STAWBsOrio]

Frame data is just one attribute of a character, and faster frame data does not necessarily make a better character. Check this video out for a fuller explanation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inK8iXdmbLCjjqM

[@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764]

Does someone knows why Sepiroth doesn't lose his wing when winning a stock?. Sakurai explained that is lost when he lose or win one stock, but i battle against him, and sometimes when he quit me a stock he doesn't lose his wing. I thought it was a period of grace where he can't lose it after immediately win it, but no even after several seconds he doesn't lose it. So i don't know if some of you can explain me that

[@STAWBsOrio]

Basically there’s a formula which calculates a value based on the percentages and stocks of all players, and if that value exceeds a threshold, he gets one-wing.

[@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764]

@@STAWBsOrio interesting, maybe is early to say it, but i think it should be a bit more consistent in regards a winning a stock, i think is a bit unfair that he has a more safe comeback because of that, buy I'll see as time passes

[@JonnyJPlayer]

Not first

[@JonnyJPlayer]

Oh nevermind then

[@NerdMayvinPhile]

My mans is so laggy but idc still playing him