SEPTA shares renderings of new Market-Frankford Line trains

[@yvonneplant9434]

The current trains will be about 30 years old when the new ones arrive. The ones before the current ones ran about 40 years from the 60s till about 2000. They were made here in Phila. by the Budd company. Budd no longer exists. 😢

[@TheStreetFiles]

You know your history

[@robmoney4life]

At least the orange train is still running strong at 42 years old

[@johnchambers8528]

The orange trains were built by Kowaski, who also made motor cycles. Their advertising was let the good times roll so I guess that also applies to their transit trains. But seriously the orange trains also have the benefit of running almost always underground so they are protected from the harsh weather compared to the el cars that mostly run outside in all kinds of weather.

[@AnothertrollTrolling]

Facts!

[@StefIsCold]

@@johnchambers8528good point

[@robmoney4life]

Fun fact the orange train is older than the current L

[@jeffreybass5479]

Believe the Broad Street cars came into service around 1980.

[@PBE86]

It is. The EL today came out 1998. So the new fleet replaces the el & the old el should go to BSL???

[@PBE86]

​@@jeffreybass5479BSL trains is OLD SCHOOL from the 1980's😅

[@steamymemes7946]

@@PBE86The MFL cars are smaller than BSL cars

[@PBE86]

@@steamymemes7946 Yea, that's true.

[@halleradam]

Those prices are a bargain compared to the absurdly high costs of highways.

[@piggy8761]

Yet the auto industry and car lobby still controls washington unfortunately People dont mind paying absurdly high taxes for road maintenance but when it comes to rail they go 😱 HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT NIMBYism

[@masongrishin9768]

This looks great! We finally investing in good design for public transportation

[@ThePlaceAndTime]

So instead of giving us more information about the new train cars, y'all decided to spent time critiquing the figures in the renderings? And adding a cartoon character into the images? I understand that you want to make the news intertwining but that should not come at the expense of pertinent information. Who is the manufacturer? Where will they be manufactured? Is the federal government the only financial partner with SEPTA on this project? What is the capacity of these new cars? How does that compare to the current fleet? Are there more wheelchair accessible spots on these new cars?

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

I read an article on it yesterday and iirc it was by Hitachi. It is funded by the infrastructure bill. They will have a walkthrough gangway for higher capacity, regenerative braking, and new digital displays. There are some other features too. No idea about accessibility specifically though, although renderings show there will be at least some. Fox is a bad news source. It is very partisan and so would never be in favor of new transit projects, especially one funded by the current administration. There's not enough to trash talk so they'll find something to

[@epicgamesplayz5214]

The Trains will be manufactured in Maryland

[@blue9multimediagroup]

All that info is available online on SEPTA's website

[@pleaseinsertacoin]

@@blue9multimediagroup yeah, he's criticizing the news provider for not providing news, not SEPTA

[@edwardrobinson2632]

Petty news media at it's finest... this why I don't watch the news or own a television for that matter. 🙄🤦🏽‍♂️

[@antortiz5367]

Awe man that shit about to get destroyed but people 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@cdrum5994]

Looks great. Good luck to SEPTA!

[@daniel022209]

Reliability has gone down a lot in the transit industry. The old "Almond Joy" Budd M3 cars for the Market Frankford Line ran from 1963 to 1999. That's 36 years, which was a good run. However, SEPTA had to make plans to replace them when the Eastbound train derailed inside the 30th Street Station back in 1990 due to a mechanical problem. About a few people died in that incident, and others were seriously injured. Then in 1996, AdTranz, began delivery of the current El cars we ride on today, but they went bankrupt as soon as the last train was delivered to SEPTA. Hopefully, SEPTA upgrades it maintenance department to handle the tech that comes with these new trains as well.

[@mataisgood9046]

I think that's why it's taking until 2029 which is quite generous for a complete fleet replacement project. I just hope they aren't like CRRC, and are more reliable and actually on time.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

I rode SEPTA bus & L last ten years and worked in large maintenance shops and know SEPTA does the minimum required maintenance. They want 200 new L cars when they only run 96 cars 20 jours a week during rhsh hour. Do they need over 100 spare cars. Why ?

[@ducis3446]

@@mataisgood9046It’s Hitachi STS, formerly known as AnsaldoBreda. Judging by the way they built those streetcars in Boston, I’m not holding my breath

[@blue9multimediagroup]

​@@JohnThomas-lq5qpThey only run 96 because the rest are broken and trash. Scott even said that much in the video.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

​@@mataisgood9046CRRC is banned from bidding on orders paid for with federal money.

[@jrizzle51]

As we speak a bus driver is probably getting death threats, security should be number one for public And employees, trying to impress and gloat to other cities, smh, within a couple of days they will be vandalized and will probably have mechanical issues

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

That should be a police job not a SEPTA job. I don't understand why the transit budget should go to policing when there is a police force.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

The evening rush hour bus loader that I take was punched in the eye from a person that he never saw and almost broke his eye socket. He lost several days of work and if course criminal lover creep DA krasner gave the nogoodnic a slap on the wrist & no jail time. SEPTA must place people that attack workers on at least a one year ban from riding SEPTA.

[@snowless456]

Yes but the current MFL trains have breaks that don’t even work half of the time. That’s even more dangerous in my opinion

[@ablake0]

​@@JohnThomas-lq5qphow would septa go about enforcing bans

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

@@snowless456 I worked 50 years in large maintenance shops and if SEPTA was a manufacturer they would not last a year because of all the broken neglected machinery. Saw the same 3 broken doors on an L cars all week. Saw piss poor SEPTA maintenance men changing light bulbs several times at FTC ( Bridge St ) second floor area blocking off escalators during busy evening rush hour. Thier engineers are a waste of $. They purchased EV busses on the cheap where they could not operate on long routes or routes with hills. Less then 6 months after start up the 25 or 50 white elephants had to be removed from service because frames cracked from heavy batteries.

[@Kris-sc9oc]

What about the people smoking crack and shooting dope on the trains? Why not fix that too???

[@smashdaliketv6518]

Facts💯

[@Chinemeremdozie]

Naw fr

[@jamallhayden2512]

That’s more of a City issue than Septa!

[@MarloSoBalJr]

SEPTA can't fix natural selection regarding low IQ individuals

[@battlesqueak5838]

That's called diversity

[@kertchu]

I hope they give it a livery that’s different from the renders that really leans into being blue

[@yaush_]

No way septa is upgrading it’s infrastructure before gta6

[@339gabriel]

😂😂😂

[@jerryde2861]

Where are the new trains built?

[@mataisgood9046]

Likely mostly imported shell designs and complete construction in the US on one of Septa's many depots there are a number of answers to your question, but this is one of them.

[@AlexanderTheSimmer]

YAY! New Train with LED Lights! I wanna ride it when it enters service. that means when I go there to ride the 1st new train like that one, I would have a chance of hearing Philadelphia Fire Department Ambulance Sirens, and That New Train is so Spacious that I could walk in through car to car!

[@kennethjefferson880]

SEPTA got new Cyber futuristic subway cars.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Last ten years before retiring I took the L for a 32 minute ride after standing on my feet all day. New cattle cars are going to carry more passengers because from pictures appears they reduced seating by 25%. Brilliant SEPTA did away with the A- B rush hour service that saved me a couple of minutes. Guess too many druggies had trouble understanding that a train marked A did not stop at the B satations.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Saved a couple of minutes, but less trains on the line. There are more trains now than before.

[@ErelH]

Wow. Looks fantastic

[@snowless456]

People REALLY need to understand how NECESSARY these new trains are. The current trains on the L have breaks that are failing WAYYY too often and are breaking down, even though the train isn’t even that old for a metro system. This is due mostly to the manufacturer adtranz (now alstom) not building the cars well, compared to Kawasaki who build the older Broad Street trains which are still doing just fine. But since these lines use different track sizes, unfortunately the two lines can’t share fleet

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Saw this yesterday and all I thought was about time. But there are still a lot of systemic issues with the system. Nonetheless, this is great news. The new trains look good and might be the most modern ones in the entire country

[@calvindixion5861]

Philly turning in to New York

[@LS-pv4dh]

NYC trains are old af and suck. What do u mean by this????

[@DPrime215]

@@LS-pv4dhi think the person is referring to NYC’s newer subway trains with the open gangways.

[@LS-pv4dh]

@DPrime215 err....bad reference then. Nice of u to try to back him up tho. New trains ain't very similar to new turnstiles. Ijs ijs. Lol

[@JackDaniels-tx4qx]

​@@LS-pv4dh L take but ok

[@LS-pv4dh]

@JackDaniels-tx4qx not sure what u mean bro. But NYC was gonna use money from taxing ppl who drive into the city ( south Manhattan ). They put that idea on hold for a while. No new trains coming. All they did, for a 3rd was upgrade they turnstiles cuz nobody pays. Nobody. Lmao. All NYC is doing these days is recouping. Haven't done much since they did their waterfront.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Can remember lying SEPTA telling us that the L cars made in late 60's had cooling. Yep three extra noisy ceiling mounted exhaust fans. Was great standing next to a nogoodnic that did not take a bath that year and was 95 degrees outside.

[@pumpfinatic466]

That was PTC fault when the cars were purchased they were too cheap to put air-conditioning on the cars.

[@Stanf954]

So what about the Broad St Subway Hawker Siddlie cars ? They are older than the EL cars .

[@petmitsu]

The what? The current Broad Street subway cars were made by Kawasaki.

[@idrip2153]

There outside less

[@mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164]

@@idrip2153 Has nothing to do with it

[@ducis3446]

They are a lot more reliable than the M4 cars, SEPTA hasn’t even thought about putting out an RFP yet

[@blue9multimediagroup]

You're thinking of Boston. And those cars were replaced already.

[@pumpfinatic466]

The Kawasaki's on the Subway are 41 years old and still running good !

[@swdashcams4476]

Interesting. I wonder why SEPTA is looking into replacing the fleet on the market Frankford line, before the fleet on the broad Street line. Considering that the broad Street line fleet was built in the early 1980s. While the current fleet on the market Frankford line, was built in the late 90s.

[@truepain2027]

Good to see the junkies and homeless will have new homes to move into in a few years

[@TheStreetFiles]

Where else would they go?

[@bwofficial1776]

@@TheStreetFiles Somewhere where they can't bother the public.

[@albertcarello619]

@truepain2027: Transit Systems all over the world has this problem no matter which countries!

[@mataisgood9046]

@@albertcarello619 Not exactly true If the city decided to take some money that they put in their lazy local politicians they could turn multiple parking lots into homeless shelters around the station to accommodate those less fortunate instead of laughing and looking down on their misfortune. And again, that's not up to septa to decide and this is a principal places like for example in Australia have done. While we're at building new infrastructure around the stations we might was well build affordable housing while we're at it that allows us to reinvest into our community's mainly around downtown and suburban stations with too much parking.

[@Aries-bm4wd]

Its a shame how dirty n filthy those shiny new trains r gonna be after a few years of service smh...

[@JohnSmith-ct5jd]

Right. You can put lipstick on a pig...

[@jordanalexander4331]

Along with this, they need to purchase new Broadstreet line cars, as well as build at least 5 to 6 additional subway lines. And restore old regional rail, lines, such as West Chester, Allentown and Reading. Likewise with all of the discounted trolly lines. Septa can actually be something.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

BSL cars are fine

[@JohnSmith-ct5jd]

Great. So, if I am robbed, or assaulted, I at least have the comfort of knowing it is happening on a nice new state of the art train. Sorry, I will continue to stay off public transportation and drive my car instead. It is not worth the many indignities at the hands of my "fellow citizens.'

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Good Stay stuck in traffic and don't complain when the road is crap and needs paving either.

[@Rainbow-e4w]

That train is so hot

[@Septa-f4d]

B-IV: I like this!

[@andrewareva4605]

This is pathetic. Just finished a tour of Asia and US is being left behind severely. Most subways in Asia look like King of Prussia mall with shopping centers in them, and a city the size of Philly should have at least 3-5 lines with 15 stops each. It's at a point where you can see how obvious coming back how the economy is being held at a stranglehold with terrible daily traffic jam and terrible public transport which people then don't use and then don't fund and then is full of crime, which results in a death spiral. By the time we get these new cars in 2030, Bangkok will get a new line extension they just announced last week with 11 stations and 29 stations in that line newly finished. Good thing the federal government has billions to make aircraft carriers, and send billions to Ukraine and Israel.

[@travelandeats8518]

I’m not even from PA but see prices now 2024, imagine the prices 2029 with a new multi million dollar project

[@XxMeatShakexX]

New trains same tracks. Same piss puddle stations. Same zero safety measures near the tracks.

[@mataisgood9046]

And same complaints from riders. Trust me Septa is beyond familiar with these complaints, but they just have to take it one step at a time. With the limited funding they get to improve these problems definitely isn't enough to fix everything but like I said they have to take it one step at a time while not straining their limited budget.

[@aliciascott353]

Right

[@XenaphobeJoe-n1j]

Great. Only took 50 years

[@mataisgood9046]

Bud cars are reliable. The don't and likely never will build them like they used to.

[@ducis3446]

New trams, new trains!!

[@VrNp_215]

N be prepared cuz you know the price going up too

[@stopsign997]

People don’t pay so they won’t care

[@mataisgood9046]

Unlikely the money is coming from the federal infostructure act. Even if the price does go up it likely won't be by a lot to keep ridership high.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Fares don't pay for vehicle purchases

[@Walmart5103]

It went up to 2.90

[@davidreed3165]

Yeah that’ll fix you alls problems. Good job!

[@mataisgood9046]

That wasn't the point though. The point was to increase speed, capacity, frequency, and make repair on cars easier faster and using the limited money they get to try and fix basic problems before they get to ahead of themselves.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Why do lazy lack of even minimum maintenance SEPTA need over 100 doare L cars ? They only run the most cars maybe 20 hours a week during weekday rush hours. Other times less then 76 cars.

[@xmarxsthespot4844]

2029 to 2030s is really long…

[@piggy8761]

Guess how long the Interstate Highway System took to build Google it buddy

[@mrme2653]

I thought septa had no money???

[@Zergcerebrates]

The NY metro could use this

[@guyfaux3978]

Bring back the Almond Joys!

[@ameridesign]

Wow, these are nice!

[@HydroWorldOutlookPrimary5769]

This is crazy. Those trains are space-age. I thought we'd be getting bilevel railcars and Siemens locomotives. This is way better than that.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Already have SIEMENS locomotives

[@pollin1337]

This is doomed from the start. Overpriced, and over promised. The money is already gone. Reason for a new fleet, maintenance cost on simple cars is too high. Answer... ad screens for people to smash, regen brakes that cost more than you know and will crush your budget when they need maintenance, and more windows because structural integrity isn't a problem when it needs to last 30 years. 750 million for no more than 250 cars. At 100 the budget will be gone and they will ask for more. I can't even imagine one of these cars costing 1 million each, let alone 3 million each. Worst deal ever

[@mataisgood9046]

After the failure of the new CRRC cars I can tell they are becoming somewhat desperate to replace their old cars.

[@mrbond9882]

You guys are just going to give the crackheads on a new home. Congratulations

[@mataisgood9046]

Safety on Septa is a critical problem but it's not exactly up to them to decide the city is divided and septa services multiple areas of influence while I agree safety is a critical problem that's not Septa's fault the city couldn't afford to put a homeless shelter near the station.

[@PhillyRambunctiousRailfan]

Kawasaki B-IVs on the BSL are still running strong. Adtranz did a poor job making these M-4 El cars.

[@ThePlecoPal]

Fix the subway before the new trains are ruined overnight

[@michaelwakeham3404]

There amazing looking , what about the broad st line tho cause those trains look a mess

[@MichaelfromtheGraves]

The renderings are not AI....

[@pinkpetals2904]

They can’t even fix the city streets got Chelten ave lookin fucked up!

[@mataisgood9046]

Thats more of a city issue Septa is not really responsibility. For an issue like that you could go or text your local city council for the street you mentioned to be filled in or repaved in an extreme case depending on the age of the road.

[@DREWtubeStreet]

That's not a SEPTA problem, and you know it.

[@MrJoowoneeno]

WOW NICE

[@DMD.The.MeNaCe]

Well at least we are giving the homeless and addicts an upgrade on their living situation.

[@ArnetDiggs]

Aye Septa. Where the hell are the new cars for the Broad Street Line at. Where the fuck is at. Now.

[@KamStevensGreen10]

Adtranz M-5 They Are Buying 😎 👍

[@blue9multimediagroup]

ADtranz has been dead since 2000

[@BottomLin3Op]

What about the broad street line subway cars lol

[@bennyboogenheimer4553]

Thanks Joe Biden!

[@Tonyjones175]

The bums will ruin them

[@XoticXTC]

Why not use the money to remodel each station, more security and THEN MAYBE talk about better trains? Like am i tweakin or what cuz yall trippin

[@adrianwitzburg3009]

Gosh there’s always one comment that is angry. That’s why Northeasterners are known to be rude.

[@TheRoadTripChannel]

Didn't Philadelphia cancel an order of Communist Chinese rail cars (CRRC) just recently??? 😀

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

This Should be interesting...Philadelphia people definitely tearing up this New Train

[@rraddena]

And who is going to build the fleet? I hope it's not from a Chinese company....

[@mataisgood9046]

Hitachi, there a Japanese Manufacture. There known for the new NYC, and LA, new metro cars.

[@adrianwitzburg3009]

Hitachi is actually making the new DC metro cars

[@anitallo]

The homeless getting a new house

[@keepithonest4626]

I like this

[@SF19925]

What about the people who pee and poop on the train?! Fix that too! And fix the free rider situation as well! Otherwise these new expensive trains will be destroyed in no time.

[@kju666]

American liberal cities are trying to be more European, except in the wrong way. Money should be spent on expanding transit network coverage amd increasing frequencies. However, Americans have this obsession with car infrastructure and are unwilling to reduce car lanes to make room for dedicated bus lanes and trolley tracks. The only way to make a city well connected is to limit cars to make room and provide incentives for people to take the public transit.

[@piggy8761]

That started in the 50-60-70 decades The idea of owning a car for personal freedom was pitched as part of the American dream. So the car lobby and auto industry bought out washington and created a car based society. Add in fear of anything publicly funded as “socialist” and “eventually communist” and you have a society allergic to trains and busses.

[@michellefranklin536]

Doesn’t seem like a priority when the addicts and criminals take it over

[@mataisgood9046]

Not really Septa's fault only real solution is for local governments to implement homeless shelters around the station. while we're at it we could also build more affordable jobs and housing around the stations to solve the problem of those less fortunate. Rather than letting them suffer for something out of there control.

[@shaungorham7959]

k.

[@RedCarnival-r5d]

GTA effects

[@officialalonzo263]

Polar express people😂

[@christophercancel934]

MTA can learn something from this. Doesn't hurt.

[@BretFromPhilly]

I'll ride anything that's not made by Boeing 😎

[@bwofficial1776]

Boeing made streetcars and L trains for a while. The trains were good, the streetcars were unreliable. The University of West Virginia still uses their Boeing Vertol people mover.

[@georgeoffenberger1262]

Yeaaaa New Toilets for the addicts!!!!

[@utah2nyc250]

2029 😂😂 Dirtydelphia it’s hilarious

[@mataisgood9046]

For a transit project in a city that already underfunds its mass transit with a large network in the US of all places this is a pretty good timeline. Just remember they have to conduct multiple safety audits by the FRA Speta and the additionally have to both be built and shipped in the US likely across the country and if that wasn't enough also have to fall under a tight budget and drivers have to be trained on the new train sets while platforms likely also need renovations or extensions to accommodate the new train sets along with yards and crews who also have to be trained to repair the sets. 2029 is generous for the trains to be in service let alone serving passengers.

[@utah2nyc250]

@@mataisgood9046 shut up bro Dirtydelphia it’s literally a 3 rd world country the last thing they need it’s new train carts

[@mataisgood9046]

@utah2nyc250 You fundamentally misunderstood my point. By investing whatever we can now in the long term, we will help everyone who uses the system or not. In addition, if you honestly expect people to keep up 30-40 year old train cars, you honestly just be ridiculous. This change is something Septa is doing. If you have a problem with the city, you can always take it up to the local city hall or police if you prefer. The Public Transit Authority got that money from a federal loan grant. Septa is honestly already underfunded this is the first thing they need to do. The point is to improve safety, reliability, comfort, and just basic sure people are OK while on Septa. They have been trying to get an order for new train cars since 2019 this is the best thing they can do for now.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

​@@utah2nyc250until you learn how to spell, respectfully STFU

[@PagingDrMakeUp]

We don’t need this we need that money to fight the gun, drug, mental health and homelessness epidemics in our city!!!!

[@najeebullahibnamira3365]

As others have pointed out, you’re not understanding how this project is even possible. It was a grant from the government allocated by an Infrastructure Bill from Department of Transportation thanks to Joe Biden. That money could not have been used for anything else even if they wanted to. It strictly needed to be used for transportation related purposes…but yes, those problems still need fixing but some problems there’s not an amount of money in the world that could fix it.

[@mataisgood9046]

I agree there are more major problems but, Gun, and Drug issues are far more of a state and National issue. Mental Health is neglected especially in the US, but you also have to consider that the investment was into transit to improve the speed safety, convinces frequency and most importantly cost. relying on of 30-50-year-old infostructure for another 10 years will cost way more money than that needs to be spent and will save the city money to prioritize things such as mental health in the long term. As for the homelessness issue with all the money that would be saved from this investment around existing transit stations can be made to provide jobs, housing, basically anything other than more parking, and dead space.

[@frizmagnet2246]

Ok stop wasting money we need jobs first and foremost that’s nice for out of state college students but the citizens have close to nothing.

[@mataisgood9046]

I feel like you missed the point of the purchase of the cars. The point was to improve speed, capacity, comfort and frequency. Along with saving money for Septa and the government in the long term. And the grant was given by the city it was by the federal government the city only approves the project. If there are that many issues for out of state tuition in public/community colleges, and university's that's not the fault of the transit authority I recommend going to the school board, and city about issues like that.

[@frizmagnet2246]

@@mataisgood9046 The local government only does things to please out of state college students none of the money from federal grants seems to benefit the residents. Money for infrastructure is being put into infrastructure in center city and anywhere there’s a temple building the rest of the city never sees that money.

[@Shortieve32]

Keep septa cleaned 🧹 that is the biggest problem

[@yvonneplant9434]

They do a better job than they used to.

[@BeeBee-pl9ly]

As a nyer who rode septa. Septa is much more cleaner than mta