Septim coins - The Elder Scrolls Lore

[@ImperialKnowledge]

I am not implying the Stormcloaks won the war, I am talking about one of the possible scenarios here. I just take this scenario for the context of the video

[@Thomas-bs9ds]

just a question, are you dutch?

[@unnown4592]

ibrahim kuyumcu i think hes talking about the fact that septim coins have "the empire is law, the law is sacred" written, and it would be weird since the empire wouldnt rule skyrim anymore

[@theradams97]

You said you can't find any dwemer currency, but in morrowind you can, there are dwemer coins worth 50 gold

[@wv1swlamatswl523]

yep, i was going to mention this too. probably overlooked by most players i suppose.

[@timwalker4945]

The reason you find coins in dwemer and nordic ruins is nothing besides an oversight by bethesda. How would a dragon priest obtain coins with Talos' face on it BEFORE Talos successfully took to power? something like a perfectly edible apple or potato in an ancient foodstuff deep underground in some cave? hahah they make some deep deep lore and there will always be silly mistakes to chuckle at. Or just install coins of Tamriel.

[@timwalker4945]

ONE MORE THING an iron dagger is worth more than it's weight in gold... iron........

[@カスカディア国人]

Tim Walker you’re only accounting for one factor of value, the labor of dagger production plays a role too, and will be felt much more because of the lack of industrialization and the apparent lack of large scale serfdom (not to say it completely doesn’t exist, but it’s not ruling the economy obviously) of course there are too many unknowns here for us to determine whether it’s a fair value or not, we aren’t even sure of how scarce gold is in Tamriel and Skyrim compared to the real world, and you say your self coins pop up everywhere so maybe gold doesn’t have as much value as you would assume in Tamriel.

[@timwalker4945]

I definitely see your point Banjo, I guess I just have a habit of referencing real world or literature that's contemporary to the "time period" of Skyrim. For instance, I'm not sure if you're a GOT fan, but when The Hound went craven, Tywin said "How much would it take for the common footsoldier to try his luck against The Hound?" Littlefinger suggested 20 silver pieces, Tywin said make it 40. Implying that basically a commoner could retire comfortably on a sum like this, or live high for a while. And 200 silvers is equal to 1 gold dragon. I seriously suggest the mod Coins of Tamriel, it integrates a system quite similar to this in skyrim, making for a huge boost in immersion. Instead of a loaf of bread costing 9 gold, it costs 9 coppers, which seems way more believable and relatable IMO. Another example is a tiny gold ring being worth 75 gold coins. I'm no smith, but I think that a gold ring might take 5 coins worth of raw gold to make, and thats being really generous, craftsmanship can't possibly inflate the value 15x over, I don't care if you're Eorland Graymane lol

[@serbiancrusader7813]

"Can't wait to count out your coin!"

[@gwenn-ianpaulino2588]

Serbian Crusader "Gonna split your belly like an old woman's purse!"

[@Qunarr]

Serbian Crusader "You'd make a fine rug, cat!"

[@serbiancrusader7813]

Lord Scats "here's an idea, you start running, so i can stab you in the back!"

[@Qunarr]

Serbian Crusader "You picked a bad time to get lost, friend."

[@serbiancrusader7813]

Lord Scats "Never should have come here!"

[@AvartiPlaysGames]

Interesting topic, certainly one I've never thought of before.

[@gpu213]

I think in the lore the Ancient nords had silver coins called haralds after high king harald. The dwemer had currency called Dumacs as well. There is a mod on the skyrim nexus that adds these coins to the game among some others.

[@nightwolf3329]

It would be cool if they complicate it and add new coin types in the next game

[@Spierzy53]

I think it's probably just laziness from Bethesda to not add ancient coins in the ruins and instead just went with what's already in the game.

[@3209explosion]

You find dwemer coins in Morrowind, but they did away with that in future games.

[@lvd8122]

I like how in enderal you find ancient coins that are worth more then normal ones because they are rare, would have loved something similar in Bethesdas games!

[@skyfrostthunderrock]

well, there are dwemer coins in morrowind. they're worth 50 drakes a piece. though you can't use them as currency, they can be converted. thanks for sharing! :)

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Sky Frost hahah yeah I realized that later too

[@MasterMahan-qm8hu]

Very good subject, I honestly never thought about it before. But your points seem valid, Bethesda probably did just over simplify it out of convenience. Good video!!!

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Leonjid Iljić Brežnjev Haha yeah I remembered them later. Shame they did not add them to Skyrim

[@childeater7327]

We all know the druagers are avid traders

[@R.Eres-Queen]

Well there are in nordic ruins because of the random loot sisten i have a mod coins of skyrim that fixes that and replaces the coins the nordic ruins with allesian coins and in dwemer ruins with dwemer coins i was inspired to use that mod by the alyieds malas i found in the beyond skyrim bruma mod.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

vegeta xx that is actually a very useful mod. Unfortunately Bethesda did not think of it themselves

[@R.Eres-Queen]

most likeley they wore been pressured by time and they could't get all the lore aspects right but no problem the modding community will allays be here to solve those kind of problems :)

[@tracyteaches]

1:32 such interesting words on that page talking bout battles

[@Marc-rs8dk]

You deserve way a more subscribers

[@johncrosbie1059]

Why would Ulfric want to change septims when they have talos on them?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

+John Crosbie because on the coin it says: The Law is sacred, the empire is law

[@johncrosbie1059]

right I forgot about that

[@TheFrostFlame]

I like the intro

[@jack1701e]

I must say that that intro's one of the best i've seen!

[@GiYoEnt]

I would say Skyrim even if independent will refere to the coin as Septim already because of the respect they have towards Talos Also the Dragon symbol of the current Empire came from Akavir so it was not present before the Akaviri invasions. Maybe Tiber Septim went a bit insane in his last years and went back in time (Dragon Break) to change all coins into septims to leave a mark of him for eternity but thats highly unlikely

[@JoeBlow95818]

im pretty sure the coin you find is all there pretty much for gameplay reasons

[@50elfelfo3]

Soldier = Hey i know you Me = Fuuuuuuuuu

[@75qu0]

Same reason why rats and wolves have Septims.

[@thewhitewolfandthedragon1434]

Can you do a video about dragons, their history, and their connection to Akatosh and being immortal? Big fan of your videos!

[@ImperialKnowledge]

+Kevin Yopek already did that haha

[@Janoha17]

Or it's a matter of perception, like with lockpicks. The PC is able to do such conversions in their head. It also explains why there is so little gold on Draugr/Skeletons and in burial urns: There is actually a lot of coin in there, but it's in Ancient Nord money, which has much less value.

[@phaze8000]

loving the intro!

[@realzachfluke1]

There’s a really cool mod for Skyrim called the skyrim coin replacer redux (or something along the lines of that). It adds in different types of coins for the different types of currencies that were around during different time periods. For example, you can find Haralds & Dumacs, in places like Nordic Ruins. I personally LOVE the idea of the mod and I wish Bethesda would’ve put something like that into the game.

[@Thedisciplemike]

A bit inaccurate; in morrowind you'll never find septims/ drakes in dwemer ruins. However you find "dwemer coins" rather commonly

[@val6989]

That's a beautiful intro!

[@scar4361]

Well, I bought "Coins" furnishing for my home in ESO... and what I discover? Those coins use Septim model with Tiber Septim head. In Second Era during Cyrodilic Empire. That was a little bit disappointing.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Director Orson Krennic that is certainly dissapointing

[@scar4361]

Nop, Imperials Coins from that era have Red Diamond insignia on them

[@ImperialKnowledge]

+Imperial Knowledge you don't by chance have the throne of cyrodiil in your house?

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

That explanation would make more sense than most; a combination of dragon coins and game mechanics.

[@andrewchapman2039]

Wasn't there a dragon in lore somewhere (Redguard I think) That supposedly modelled for the Septim coins?

[@thelionkingisthebestmovie8808]

When a beggar asks mehrunes dagon to spare a septim what happens he kills martin septim

[@peger]

2:20 From the same reason why you can find Jet in lock prewar places in Fallout. Laziness. 7:40 You're right. There must be several types of coins with different values (precious metal content). Cause you know practicality. Imagine if you had to carry a bag full of $ 1 and wanted to buy car or somthing:D Also every emperor probably made coins with his own image.

[@loC2ol]

How you make the intro? I notice the words are talking about the battle of Hastings 😂

[@horsat8743]

you didn't put the discord in the description

[@mrmagpie3637]

I really like your intro man

[@therebedragons2653]

This intro is really good and awesome bit its ridiculously long...wow

[@Pinkerton000]

It makes perfect sense that the Stormcloaks continue to use Septims because redenomination is extremely expensive. It would be highly impractical for them to have already begun the redenomination process. However, I would be surprised if they still used them in the Summerset Isles, as the High Elves have been separate from the empire for a centuries at this point. Concerning why they are present in Nordic ruins, I have two theories...one possibility is that the empire at some point did currency redenomination via magic where some alteration mages cast some spell that turned all gold coins in Tamriel into Imperial Septims. This one is a bit ridiculous, but I think it's fun. The other option is that a "septim" is actually simply defined as a weight of gold regardless of the shape. This would be similar to most real world ancient currency systems. In this case, any gold coin would have the same value so long as it is roughly the same weight as a standard Septim. In this case, the laziness of Bethesda in not bothering with new textures for ancient Nordic or Dwarven coins is more excusable.

[@noahather5265]

there is dwemer coins in morrowind u can fined them in most dwarven ruins and i think they have an in gave value of 50 gold

[@storyspren]

Dragons are important in almost every major religion on Tamriel. Akatosh, and the many different versions of him, are all linked to dragons, and even the Redguards, who are literally out of that world, have Satak, the Serpent. The only exceptions I can think of are Argonians with little info on their pantheon, and Dunmer with their House of Troubles, a few good Daedra, and ancestor worship. So "drake" can be quite a neutral term for any currency. Plus, kings putting themselves on the money isn't a rare practice at all, so I think it's likely that the Reman dynasty might have had different coins for different emperors, but with all previous ones still being viable currency. Tiber Septim's status as a god changes the equation a bit though. Are we gonna change our money to include a less cool emperor who's just a dude, or are we gonna keep the god-emperor who spoke fire, commanded a walking mechanical god, changed time, conquered all the known world, won some seemingly impossible victories, and survived having his throat cut? Not a hard choice, to be honest.

[@Bus_Driver_Jay]

Your theory also explains why no coins are in different states. Look at three coins from your pocket or wallet/purse or wherever. They won't look exactly the same.

[@emilianoborro5]

Am i the only who have never heard the word septim refered to the coins in oblivion?

[@williambriggs4574]

We technically don't find septims in ancient Nordic ruins since in the game it's called gold and not Septims

[@Xxsnipedawg72xX]

Imperial, what about the dwemmer coin from morrowind. Those exist to rememer

[@MrVelociraptor3000]

Mate are you insinuating that the Stormcloaks won the war?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

MrVelociraptor3000 certainly not, this is a scenario. I am an Imperial.

[@wholelifeahead]

MrVelociraptor3000 Milk Drinkers, your letting the Thalmor win

[@MrVelociraptor3000]

Darth Revan no the war is letting the thalmor win a strong united empire is the only to win the next great war

[@MrVelociraptor3000]

Imperial Knowledge I had a feeling that was the case, you can't be sure about these things though

[@wholelifeahead]

MrVelociraptor3000 nope 2 fronts is a much harder war to fight for the Thalmor

[@CallumDT]

How did you make that intro?

[@deadknight1402]

Before watching, I'd like to mention that many economies in history didn't mint pure-gold currency. Instead, their coins were actually gold alloys, with the alloyed materials typically being zinc and silver. Let's see if this is what you're gonna mention in the video.

[@JarNO_WAY]

I came here late, but I just realised you know everything about this world's fictional cultures but doesn't know anything about Italy.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

I indeed knew not too much about italy two years ago

[@domagojrade6592]

its so dumb to think the Stormcloaks will rename the SEPTIMS in drakes. They also fight for free worship of Talos a.k.a. Tiber SEPTIM, why the hell would they rename them, thats more of an insult to Talos than the empire

[@AncientHoplite]

Domagoj Rade Actually the Nords hate the name septim. It's an imperialised version of Talos and they see this is the imperials trying to claim Talos as one of their own, when they see Talos as a true nord.

[@Hakudohshi]

@@AncientHoplite Which is extra funny because one of the possible origins of Tiber Septim was an island in High Rock. Yep, Talos might have been a Breton.

[@SirPonnd]

Wait... why would Ulfric Stormcloak want to call it a Drake instead of a Septim? Wasn't Talos the original Tiber Septim? I mean, I'm far from a TES lore master, but feel like he would love the name Septim.

[@citrouseagle78eagle77]

The stormcloaks would not redo the septum at all because they are fighting for worship of Talos/ Tiber septim

[@Britishbjornis]

The coin has writing on it saying the law is sacred, the empire is law.

[@vulcanoctusal-abass9824]

Where can I find the intro music?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

+Vulcanoctus Al-Abass You mean the one used in the intro? Or the one at the beginning of the video

[@vulcanoctusal-abass9824]

Imperial Knowledge The one in the intro

[@ImperialKnowledge]

It is the ending of the song: "A land of war and poetry". From the ESO morrowind soundtrack

[@vulcanoctusal-abass9824]

Imperial Knowledge thnks

[@ukkothedwarf1259]

what if septims in nordic ruins are from adventurers who died there, the dragonborn cant possibly be the first to enter those ruins. and the dwemer ruins in skyrim might have been raided by the events of skyrim by mages guild or winterhold college and those places are not in use since dwemer automatons come trough the pipes from underground where no one knows how to get since the stairs or elevators have collapsed

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Roba Fett Previous adventurers in draugr cripts behind claw doors? (X) Doubt

[@ukkothedwarf1259]

perhaps the draugr have gambling problem and the dragon priests cheat at the poker table. it must be boring to just wake up and clean the place up every day

[@biggieshmeat3672]

I love the use of the ESO music in the intro! Very underrated game.

[@universalromote5544]

Have you visited the leaning tower of pizza yet?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Universal Romote No, and I won't unfortunately :P I am near Milan

[@SilviiSilvester]

awesome intro

[@UncensoredScion]

yeah you hit it right with the lazy Bethesda bit, there's no reason to have Septims in Dwemmer and Nord ruins other than laziness. One of these days I'm gonna install the coin mod so I don't need to worry about it any more.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

I hope we get silver and ebony coins eventually or paper monies

[@quickjab_r6589]

There wrre dwarvern coins in morrowind dwemer ruins

[@wildwildsmiff9386]

My name is jeff

[@ImperialKnowledge]

Poppa Charlie I heard you have nukes?

[@wildwildsmiff9386]

;)

[@princekrazie]

NO IT'S CHARLI

[@martijn31101969]

game meganics . its funny during gaming i thought about it my self , also thought nirn doesnt evolve much , things stay the same for very long times. every kingom has his own currency , why ? the name of the coin septim is a big giveaway , this can also be a ripoff of the currency trade guilds use for trade between empires / kindoms even when one is at war with the other. this coin has specs in weight and materials this way it doesnt matter who's face is on the coin. pritty much the same what napoleon did in europe with the metric system.

[@real_poker]

nice meme

[@TrahNO2]

9 minutes of talking about nothing

[@007RAJKOify]

Dragon on one side, human on the other side. The coin is highly hinting at Akatosh, half man, half dragon god of time and creation. Its Akatosh, not Drake. It was septim because of dragon blood.