Tamriel's Fallen & Evil Dragonborns and Their Stories - The Elder Scrolls Lore

[@ImperialKnowledge]

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[@rabsrabble5415]

You two are my fav Elder Scrolls lore vid ppls. More power to y'all

[@theemerdareloth]

​@@rabsrabble5415 Thanks!

[@haileeraestout5567]

What If Molag Bal Disguised As A Nord And He "Mated" With An Unknown Woman In The Merithic Era And She Became His Wife And She Had Miraak

[@Discipleofmora]

Would love to see a war for the red diamond adaptation, be it live action or animated would make for a fun series if you get the right people involved.

[@davyblake689]

We would finally get to see what an aldmer looks like if that happens cause orgnum shows up

[@internetpirate69]

Hopefully animated love action khajiit and argonians will look cursed

[@UnkownStranger]

Yeah would love it too but it would kinda be like GoT or any high-fantasy serie so either they animate it in the ESO-Trailer styles OR let the Fallout Showrunners run wild with it

[@janpaulgarde8639]

MAPPA should animate it

[@stijnwildeboer8809]

This channel is truly a one stop shop for all TES lore. From evil people with dragon blood to the much more important bugs of Tamriel

[@ByrnEtch]

A wondrous place, indeed.

[@LonksAdventures]

I always assumed that the grey beards were talking about/foreshadowing Miraak since he’s pretty arrogant and they also warn you about gaining to much knowledge to quickly (looks at Hermaus Mora and his spooky library realm)

[@Matt-md5yt]

I can see that tbh, like Bethesda programmed it in as a teaser.

[@soulofconflict]

They also say "You are not the first Dragonborn to walk these halls, but whether you are the only one of this age remains to be seen" They definitely were foreshadowing Miraak,

[@ChrisWebster-1812]

​​@@soulofconflictThat or a reference to Wulfharth being resurrected by the Greybeards to aid Tiber Septim

[@theemerdareloth]

Finally got around to watching this! I think it's a fun idea to try and look for specifically fallen Dragonborns. I'd throw Pelagius III into this list as well even though his descent was (likely) unintentional. I've always liked the idea that he was secretly a Sheogorath worshipper that slowly weny crazy because of it, but that's not really supported. Thanks for the shoutout, as well!

[@Bulkydad76]

Me -playing as a chicken kicking, arrow to the knee slinging, honey treat thief with a murder count of 430-I can’t imagine becoming an evil Dragonborn

[@jn4126]

Descovered your channel recently and have been making my way through your excellent lore videos. Major props for always plugging other lore KZbinrs, in a world of egotistic grifter youtubers, i have alot of respect for thoes like you who just clearly love a thing and will happily recomend other channels. Keep it up!

[@Matt-md5yt]

sweet thanks man, I also been replaying skyrim again. thanks for talking about the Bad Dragonborns I remember Maraak and Cameron might have been one

[@korbensemaganis]

One of my favourite things to do on KZbin is find and sub to channels with low subs. To watch them grow. Not only the channel but the person as well. You came a long way in an English speaking sense. Not to mention you falling into this style type that you have. Good job dude 🖖🏼

[@Matt-md5yt]

"Talos commended War crimes and Geneva Convention Breakings" should be the video's title on Talos.

[@msmith1890]

Talos was a cool dude, and the 9th divine.

[@korgclips868]

@@msmith1890 I think Talos is a cool dude, mostly because The part of him that’s Zurin and Wulfharth mellowed him tf out, Tiber Septim the man was a menace; A true calculated menace of a Dragon that was in human form. Tiber solidifies the concept that dragonborns aren’t like any other mortal creature & are rather the calculating Eternal dominating Ego maniacs in mortal form, Mortal in form but in nature they play the long game (Tiber cutting his literal throat for ultimate domination) (Betraying both Zurin and Wulfharth to power the brass god) Everything that man did was in pursuit of power regardless of the consequences, an unrelenting force of nature that upended the entire trajectory of history unto a singular path; a funny analogy i see with Tiber and just any power hungry dragonborn in general is that They’re Dragons With little man syndrome😂 probably why they can be considered even more potentially dangerous than regular dragons; all that power contained in such a Tiny Vessel😂

[@anonymousanon6913]

Talos was cringe for attacking the Elves. He should have stayed with the four human provinces and maybe the Khajit lands. The Elves werent hurting anyone and were highly organized and civilized at the time.

[@korgclips868]

@@anonymousanon6913 Elves were already slowly developing back to the mindset that they should be the ones to rule all of Tamriel, each dominion teetered more towards this goal and by the Time Of Tiber Septim many of the elves of Alinor felt that Man were insufficient to rule themselves (as the Continent was in a broken/Interregnum state) and wished to return to the days of the Merethic Era. The Thalmor aren’t exclusive to the 4th Era either, they’ve been apart of high elven society for thousands of years but haven’t been a popular party until recently; now you could have to argument that if Tiber never attacked they wouldn’t have adopted this ideology but as i’ve said before they were already gravitating towards Elven supremacy and what Tiber merely did was exasperate this process.

[@anonymousanon6913]

@@korgclips868 The Elves are superior lol

[@ingenarelitems]

the love of my life just broke up with me for a stupid reason. i needed something to keep myself distracted. thank you imperial knowledge for uploading this video at the perfect time.

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@ingenarelitems if it helps I can send you early access to an upcoming video on obscure emperors as well. Just send me an email if you want it! In any case I am sorry to hear that happened to you

[@Yuuki_3060]

Damn bro sorry to hear that… hope things get better for you

[@magnenoalex2]

​@@ImperialKnowledgethat's so extremely kind of you

[@magnenoalex2]

​@@ImperialKnowledgeyour a real one

[@magnenoalex2]

Stay strong Man. Loss always hurts in whatever form it takes. Give it time and as BCS said eventually you'll brush your teeth and go about your business one day and you'll realize.... You haven't thought about it. And that's the Moment you realize you can forget. And once you realize that's possible everything gets easier.

[@Discipleofmora]

Potema knows how to shout so that's puts points into her being dragonborn

[@Matt-md5yt]

true then again she is programed like a Darugar lord

[@SamuelLawrence-li8ig]

Potema spent most of her life in skyrim and she is dragonborn so yea she would definitely picked up a shout or 2

[@ImperialKnowledge]

To be fair Ulfric and the greybeards also shout

[@eugenetan7768]

wouldn't the player absorbed her soul like miraak???

[@eugenetan7768]

@@ImperialKnowledge in theory the player would probably absorbed her soul like miraak at the end of dragonborn dlc

[@SkywarpG1X]

Tiber Septem evil? Is it the genocide of the Summerset Isles or him betraying Zuran Arctus?

[@villekuronen6242]

quite sure elfs who lived in Summerset Isles consider Talos evil different points on view

[@TheDremoraPrince]

To the intro: I want them to hire a studio to hold us off with spinoffs after 6 comes out.

[@Ragnarok222R]

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[@heyyoadrian]

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[@patricialavery8270]

You have to love how elf-haters will twist themselves into triple pretzels to say you can't be an Elf Dragonborn. You mentioned how you could, for example, turn a dremora serving one daedric prince to serve another one. But neither you or anyone else, yet ,has suggested you could turn him into a Golden Saint or other type of daedra. lol.

[@toytacambery9427]

Thank you for another great topic and I think you did a great job at conveying the concept of evil in a rational way. Too many youtubers come off as pedants when they pretentiously discuss the concept of good/evil. It's not something that can be categorized neatly with a definition, but when you see it, you know it. Just like the example in this video, with Potema. Nothing else you can call that.

[@danielpilipenko8556]

You're maybe a guy behind a laptop making Elderscroll videos. Yet you're my favourite guy behind the laptop making Elderscroll videos ❤

[@gavinmoran9306]

I started playing skyrim and I was so confused about all of this. Thanks for all the lore I'm subscribed now.

[@hillarydana3057]

Please do a video on the mushrooms fungi and lichens of Tamriel!💛

[@zebraofkotor7403]

Another possibility for Mankar is that he did not change himself into a Dragonborn with the Razor. The Camorians, a dynasty so noteworthy even the Nords start the First Era with their founding, were Dragonborn.

[@naji_aka_Tracey]

Fascinating video 👍🏻👍🏻 thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@LemonMoon]

I already was subscribed but I saw Daeloth’s video so I’m giving him a shoutout

[@teyanuputorti7927]

amazing video didn't know I needed it

[@lucidbonez369]

" do not let your easy mastery of the voice tempt you into arrogance of power " this popped into my head when you said something about having a shared vison of the universe, and how the dragonborn is basically a dragon in human form, i bet it would be hard to relate to other humans and whoever the dragonborn is would need to develop alot of empathy for his people to want to actually do what it takes to protect and save them, also i could see how it would allow him to relate to the dragons in a way also, in the original game there isnt any friendly dragons besides the one that decides to help out afterwards, which is sad because i would like to know about the conflicts between dragons and how that all happpens and if there was any who stood against his vision for the universe, or is it just as simple as alduin is so powerful that he can just automatically mind control all dragons effortlessly . i love using a mod called memorable dragons, and mirai the girl with the dragon heart . because they introduce more friendly dragons , and the ability to reason with them instead of just killing them

[@voidbear1958]

Love these videos!

[@XxAbyssal_Demon_WolfxX]

i play skyrim evil nord warrior every day lol

[@DerWasserflasche]

"Are there Evil Dragonborns?" My Dragonborn who is a Vampire, worships Molag Bal, is Leader of the Dark Brotherhood and fulfilled his destiny in killing Alduin only because Alduins Victory would end is life and not because he wanted to save the world 👁👄👁

[@jacobharrison8391]

Can’t believe it’s already been 13 years

[@fouadben4332]

A sacrifice for the algorithm

[@Arch_rblx]

13:59 SPEAK FIRE

[@wafflingmean4477]

Potemma could shout. She only knew the word 'Fus' but her ghost uses it on you in game (I responded with Fus Ro Da to establish the was out of her depth). Potemma didn't have any dragons to kill so couldn't learn as fast. But she did know at least one word of power, and she likely knew more given her resources but couldn't yet shout with them.

[@badluck5647]

How about the Dragonborn who led the Dark Brotherhood to murder Emperor Mede?

[@Philip7710]

Nah that’s justified, that dragonborn has done far worse like for example stealing every single sweetroll in skyrim and solstheim thus depriving the population of the sweet delicacy

[@rekaivns]

Non canon. The player character only canonically completes the main quests for the base game + DLCs.

[@badluck5647]

@@rekaivns Says who?

[@Philip7710]

@ according to what? When did bethesda say any of this? Did you just make it up?

[@MadProphetDraco96]

Love these Skyrim tidbits just shows you the amount of dedication the elder scrolls has a franchise i rather enjoy always escaping away to tamerial but imo I am hopeful elder scrolls 6 pulls out inspiration from Baulders Gate and or what was that other heavy rpg game oh yeah the Witcher 3 imo those games had the best RPG Mechanics in most recent games away from Bethesda but imo they need to pull some lessons from those games man tbh i only played Witcher 3 for maybe an hour I just need to get used to playing with a mouse haha

[@PoftSarade]

Heh, I'm running an elder scrolls d&d campaign with the last dragonborn as the main villain. After defeating Alduin and absorbing his soul, TLD inherited the title and purpose of 'World-Eater'. And he will not fail his purpose. ;)

[@brendan9868]

Much like Whitestrake, Tiber Septim’s only mistake was stopping

[@jollythejackalope]

Tiber Septim... The false god of humanity... This is why the Altmeri Dominion is a superior faction

[@anonymousanon6913]

Based, and the Aldmeri Dominion is right because they are Nationalistic and Superior to the dirty humans.

[@matthewvanzandt6589]

Yes sir!🔥🔥

[@isaac_aren]

I believe there is only one NPC in any given instance of Sovngarde that says they have the Dragon Blood. There's only one; no one else. The Greybeards may also consider straying from the Way of the Voice to be a failed Dragonborn. It is important to consider there bias on this topic

[@ImperialKnowledge]

There are 2 I believe

[@anonymousanon6913]

The Greybeards are kinda cringe not gonna lie. Still side with Parthysnax

[@neasper]

I doubt Akatosh had planned for Tiber septum to become a god.

[@greystorm7862]

Im currently replaying oblivion so I feel ya

[@budgetproductions1178]

came here from dareloth to give a like and watch

[@wafflingmean4477]

Tiber Septim was as evil as any of the others. He just won. So he got to write a massive portion of the histories on himself.

[@ProudDinosaur]

Is this the bonus video? Or did you work your ass off overnight to put out this video to line up with Dareloth's?

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@ProudDinosaur both lol

[@jamescutts5005]

The best example I ever herded of about good and evil would have to be what is natural for the spider is chaos for the fly or life in itself is neither good or evil it is the place of good and evil according to what’s you make it 2:53

[@Doyoulikeadacheese]

So I've always found the description of each member of the Septim Dynasty all being Dragonborn rather strange. I think that's a false interpretation. I personally think there are only a handful of true Dovahkiin in the history of Tamriel. In chronological order, here is the list of all true Dragonborn that we know of (in my opinion): Merethic Era: Miraak 1st Era: St. Alessia King Wulfharth Reman Cyrodiil 2nd Era: Tiber Septim/Talos 3rd Era: Mankar Camoran 4th Era: The Last Dragonborn I know some of these are not confirmed, and some of their abilities may be called into question (I personally think that it's bullshit St. Alessia couldn't Shout, so I chose to ignore that fact and believe she could have), but these are all true Dovahkiin. The reason the Septim line could wear the Amulet of Kings was because even though they were not all Dovahkiin, they were still descendants of them, meaning the blood of Akatosh still flowed through their veins. All that being said, I believe that only truly evil Dragonborn were Miraak and Mankar Camoran.

[@rekaivns]

There's no such distinction between the "dragon blood" and "dragon soul" in lore, they are terms used interchangeably and mean the same thing. Dovakhiin is simply the word for Dragonborn in the dragon tongue, they mean exactly the same thing. Only Dragonborns can wield the Amulet of Kings, and that's a fact. You don't need to shout to be Dragonborn, but if you want an explanation to why most emperors (probably) didn't: Skyrim retrofitted the whole thu'um being a Dragonborn thing into old lore that wasn't written with that in mind. That's the explanation. There's no distinction between Dragonborns like Miraak and the LDB to those like Martin Septim. They all are the same thing.

[@ScrannibalLecter]

@imperialKnowledge do we need an Elder Scrolls movie/series ? And why would this be a good/bad idea. Perhaps a good video idea 👍🏼

[@TheZomboy11]

When are you doing a video about alessia's rebellion during the 1st era?

[@RockyBalKoa]

Aye, I'm early! Good to be here.

[@levijackson767]

Putting Tiber Septim on the list? We gotta check your ears.🗿

[@anderporascu5026]

As TES6 will be the first game without the foundational loreists who even setup Skyrim it will probably have trouble with the main story but the 1000 or more pages of lore are a safety net for it as well as whatever other Elder Scrolls titles setup for it to reclaim. Unpopular opinion but whatever, Starfield has a ways to go as it is where Elder Scrolls started before the infinite lore pages existed.

[@brigo1744]

I just wanna say I started watching you before Dareloth BUT he did say to tell you I came here from him soooo…

[@neoharmoniagropius1426]

Welp the Real Example of Evil Dragonborn is Miraak & The 2nd Dragonborn After him who hungry of Power

[@MCPunk55]

Miraak was killed by Hermaeus Mora, not the Dovahkiin.

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

Tiber Septim is the best Dragonborn because, according to the book of truth, the elves deserved it.

[@Imperial.Soldier]

Todd tes 6 NOW!

[@RexDolo]

I think Pelagius the mad could have made this list as well

[@anonymousanon6913]

I was born evil and my character was a Dwemer Vampire Lord Lich Stormcloak that hated Arkay Your voice sounds better btw

[@buinghiathuan4595]

Well, what stop a dragonborn from going AWOL? Who dare to stop them, beside the other dragonborn

[@sethwilliams501]

I am back big man

[@thommyneter168]

What is an evil dragonborn? What is a dragonborn, what is evil? What is...?

[@s3s_]

10:58 he was hermaus Mora's 1st dragonborn not the first dragonborn ever

[@WoobertAIO]

An idea for a new useless lore video: Lore on calendars?

[@kadinroberts9208]

17 minute long video uploaded 17 minutes ago. Nice

[@jdl76556]

Ha! You cannot stop the will of Lord Dagon!

[@ImperialKnowledge]

@@jdl76556 imagine being protonymic

[@ainissesthai9428]

i think I was an evil dragonborn

[@Myles452]

Ok

[@Voxdalian]

I don't know if you can really consider those "Fallen". Paarthurnax says that the will to dominate is in a dragon's nature, I would assume the same is true for Dragonborns. Even The Last Dragonborn wants to kill Alduin for either revenge, the will to preserve what he considers as being "his own world", or to fulfil "his destiny", which also is a term of power. So he ends up being heroic, but not because of his heroic intentions, it's just in his nature to attempt to dominate Alduin if he is able to do so. Dragonborn aren't heroes, they are conquerors, rulers, selfish warriors, ... It think it's more difficult to find a truly "good" Dragonborn than a bad one, and those good ones would have "overcome their evil nature" as Paarthurnax put it.

[@Philip7710]

What would the last dragonborn want revenge on alduin for? The only thing alduin did was save him from having his head chopped off

[@Voxdalian]

@Philip7710 Dragons are very petty. It's revenge for not recognising him as Dragonborn or for harming the people around him. Either way it's about ego or will to dominate.

[@street1111]

Todd is stretch out the elder scrolls til many of die of old age

[@BorgWolf359]

Elder Scrolls 6 won't be out until 2026 or later! None of this will be in ES6!!! I like your vid but videos like this are the only story we will get for a long time if ever!

[@Galimeer5]

Akatosh is such a messy god, I don't believe dragonborns come from him. Every dragonborn we know was a human to some degree, never an elf (Cameron cheated -- he doesn't count) and are almost always defenders of the mortal world. That points to a pro-human and pro-Mundus worldview. Does that really sound like Auriel, king of the elves and who told the aldmer that the mortal world was a trap devised by the evil trickster Lorkhan? When Mehrunes Dagon attempted to destroy the world, why would Auriel banish him back to Oblivion? Destroying the mortal world sounds like something Auriel would be in favor of, doesn't it? When Alessia prayed to the gods for freedom from the ayleid rulers, why would Auriel take pity on humans? Why would Auriel send the son of Kyne and the greatest elf-killer in history to help humans overthrow elven rulers? If Dragonborns truly come from Akatosh, then Akatosh isn't who he says he is. I think we should do away with the fake name and use the real one. Akatosh isn't chief of the Divines, Shezarr is. Sheor. Shor. Lorkhan.

[@anonymousanon6913]

Akatosh is connected to Lorkhan not Auriel so much

[@rekaivns]

​​​​@@anonymousanon6913Simply wrong. Akatosh and Auriel are the exact same entity, no in game evidence supports such a distinction. The Alessian Order famously *failed* to separate the human Akatosh from the mer Auriel. The imperial Eight Divines are the same Elven gods rebranded to fit with the old Nordic pantheon, so Alessia's empire could claim a shared heritage with the humans of Atmora, securing Skyrim's aid. The distinction is political and cultural in nature, not religious.

[@00persia]

Still make no damn sense why Auriel the enemy and complete opposite of Lorkhan has to act like exactly like Lorkhan helping humans and sending them saviors and champions for their cause, make it make sense, akatosh is no longer the same shard and being intact with Auriel, definitely not after dragon break​@@rekaivns

[@nicolasde9949]

… the sheer blasphemy here is absurd

[@pachacutiyupanqui9546]

Miraak wasnt the first dragonborn

[@gobbo1917]

Tes 6 is gonna suck i hate to break it to you. Bethesda is very different than it was back then. It can barley put a functioning game together and now they lost any goodwill towards the consumer 😅

[@matthewrawlings1284]

Plus Microsoft is involved...

[@ximthedespot4673]

Which is why I'm going to get my TES fix with Morrowind and Elder Kings 2.

[@GazingTrandoshan]

Feels random to throw this on a lore video??????

[@clxssicsisgod]

I mean have they ever been able to put together a game that actually functions?

[@user-hg9vr7gh2q]

One bad game and yall act like its over for Bethesda 💀 im sure yall were saying the same shit when Skyrim was announced.

[@SunniJihadWarrior]

13 years without a new title and they probably didn’t even start development till after fallout 76, maybe starfield was so bad because they were focusing resources on tes6 🙏

[@societyisboring]

I have replaced skyrim with hogwarts legacy and farcry primal sad i need two games to fill ones void