Sequential Prophet 10 REV4 | Downward and deeper

[@fuenstock]

Excellent! Finally a demo that doesn’t show off the same old 80’s sounds! Great job!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks! I had no idea there was a lack of non-80s sounds on the Prophet 5/10! Just seems like a classic synth that can do a ton!

[@AlexBallMusic]

😃 so glad you've connected to it. The poly-mod is where the magic is. Great sounds you made here.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks Alex! Yes, I am in love with it. First time I've spent so much money on something in a looooong time, and don't regret it. It's a masterpiece. While I'm sure some would love the old revisions, I am glad to not have an actual vintage 'big boy' synth - with all the maintenance issues. Hell, even my Polaris was out of commission for 6 months. And you're right - the Polaris was nothing like the Prophet. I'm still debating whether the Polaris is needed in this studio with a Prophet, but that's my own internal dialogue...

[@tears_of_heck]

@@MIDERA mine just came in today and this video was the one that got it here.

[@MIDERA]

Awesome - glad to hear it. Enjoy your Prophet!

[@scoopicman]

My favorite P10 video, so far. Beautiful synth movements. Part of this felt like I was at a Tangerine Dream concert.

[@MIDERA]

Oh thanks! That’s a great compliment :)

[@_dark__matter_915]

I'm very obsessed into ambient music and this demo gives me goosebumps! Just received my Prophet 5 some days ago and am looking forward to get lost in it. ☺️ Just hit the record button and start playing.

[@MIDERA]

Oh wonderful! Enjoy :D Thanks for your kind words :)

[@myshelby500gt]

In a word ''STUNNING'' what a synthesizer. Forget all that expensive vintage gear this is all you will ever need to immerse yourself in the glorious sound that is the Prophet 10. Thank you for the video and i am now going to sell everything to purchase one.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks Steve - it is a stunning synth, definitely! Just has a great sound in general. Can't make it sound bad. Good luck if you do get one!

[@myshelby500gt]

@@MIDERA Hi and thanks , I love synthesizers and have been for the past 40 years. I have just simply got to get a PROPHET 10. Thanks again and I will let you no when I get my hands on one.

[@danielperkins7311]

One of the best rev 4 demos on youtube!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!

[@mmrva]

Absoulutely!

[@JohnMoser66]

I had to pause! I cannot believe how you gleaned such ambient tones from a P10! Brilliant … absolutely Brilliant!

[@MIDERA]

Hey thanks the P10 is great for sure. Much appreciated!

[@JimDaneker]

I have a similar dilemma since bringing my new Prophet home, and it was quite unexpected. It covers so much territory, and makes me realize I don’t need all the hardware I have. Going to be selling some things, but the Prophet is a keeper - what an inspiring instrument!

[@MIDERA]

Agreed! What do you think you'll be parting with?

[@JimDaneker]

@@MIDERA not sure yet. I have some synths that overlap a bit with others: Roland JX-10 with programmer and its modern replacement the Jupiter X; Prophet Rev 2/16, custom nodded and restored Yamaha DX5/TX816, Roland Fantom 7... I love them all, but I need to be a tad more practical about what I actually need ;-)

[@JimDaneker]

Um, custom *modded* DX5, not “nodded” ;-)

[@MIDERA]

@@JimDaneker After having the REV2 8 voice - I much prefer the REV4. That said... I came up with some sounds that I feel are really good on the REV2, that I do miss. I may have been very unkind to the REV2 - although I really didn't like its filter and mine had bad oscillator bleed (could hear it through the closed filter, all the time). I never thought the Jup-X was an interesting synth, personally. The small screen in the corner was odd and it just seemed like a "Let's throw 1000 things in here to see what works." approach. DX5 does indeed seem amazing. Not sure I'd part with that one myself.

[@JimDaneker]

@@MIDERA yeah, the Rev 2 might still be a keeper despite the family resemblance - it’s quite a capable synth! And the Jupiter X has really grown on me once I got the layout. Roland has really nailed the modeling, and it covers all my favorite analogs of theirs - it’s a fantastic piece and finally built like a real Roland!

[@ChrisSonic]

This is the best video about the Prophet REV4 I've seen so far. Artistic parameter tweaking and keyboard playing combined with long delay and reverb .... this reveals the power and beauty of this instrument. Stunning.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks Chris! That’s really nice to hear. There’s actually no reverb on here, just the delay from The DIG. It’s a lovely instrument. Definitely the best in my studio. It’s definitely a lot of fun to play.

[@classiccitroenpassion2086]

I think this is the most beautiful synth I've ever heard. Simply outstanding. Congrats to Sequential for this masterpiece, and to you for your playing and programming!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks! The P10 is really a great synth!

[@BougieButler]

I appreciate the raw narrative attached to these videos. Buying a synth is a glorious rollercoaster but sometimes you just gotta give yourself time to truly connect with it. I’m going to be picking mine up tomorrow and I feel like sitting in a room with headphones is the best way for me to connect initially. I’ve absolutely gotta sell some things. Matriarch and P10 truly cover my bases. I got the P6 years ago to “get a prophet” but now I’m getting the true experience and feel at peace with what I have. It turns out having too much gear makes me feel more empty and unaccomplished. Anyways, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Keep up the content!

[@MIDERA]

I wish I could so easily suggest and follow through with selling gear. But I often try to make everything work in my studio. Literally every time I sell something, I realize I didn't want to sell it and then I have more and more stuff - and it's not something I'm terribly proud of. Enjoy your new P10. Hopefully yours looks as nice as you'd like it to (some seem to have problems with the wood grain).

[@BougieButler]

@@MIDERA yea I’ll have to look out for that wood grain detail. I’ll be happy with the sound alone I’m sure :)

[@rwesreal]

Love the long envelope movement! That’s what the P10 excels at! Great patch work...thank you for the upload

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!

[@dyacktman]

Since you asked this question: Who went from the P5 to a DX7 and thought, "This is the path forward?" Let me offer something of an answer. Maybe it makes a little more sense in context. (Though it will never completely make sense to me either, even though I was there!) TL; DR: The DX7 offered many things beyond just sound that were either new to keyboard players or at least new at *that* price point. Yes, the sound was "fresh" and new in 1983, but it was controversial even then. It was *never* universally loved by *everyone*. The UI was off-putting to many and for good reason. But sound was only a small part of the package, and for some folks the sound was not even the compelling part. So what else was there? High polyphony (for the time) made it one of the first synthesizers where you could play complex chords and not have to worry too much about note stealing and dropouts. Velocity sensitivity, aftertouch, and extensive keyboard scaling facilities all combined together to make it one of the first affordable synthesizers that "felt" like a "real" instrument to musicians, something that could respond to a musician's touch in a dynamic way that just felt "right". Furthermore, the DX7 held the promise (which it delivered on) of less required maintenance to keep it going compared to other synths of the time, making for a lower cost of ownership post-purchase and just the overall convenience of being low-maintenance. Also, don't forget that one of the biggest drivers of DX7 sales was the fact that it was a LOT easier to cart to every gig than a Rhodes. DX's replaced far more Rhodes than P5's! You have to keep in mind that at the time these features were all new to most musicians. Previously only the most expensive keyboards (out of reach of most) offered these kinds of features, if at all. Nowadays, most of this stuff is standard even on budget synths - modern gear really spoils us! The DX7 managed to present a very compelling offering that hit what was, back then, a real sweet spot with features that today are easy to take for granted. So when you put ALL these things together into a SINGLE package, you can better see why (in historical context) the DX7 took the world by storm. So hopefully that explains why some people switched to DX7s. But remember, not everyone was on board the DX train, either. Admittedly, I bought a DX back then. But ALSO, when folks were selling off analog gear, I was buying. And I have no regrets except for the ones that got away because I didn't have enough cash when the opportunity presented itself. And oh yeah, there is always the short answer: sometimes humans do stupid things, especially when chasing fads.

[@dags1965]

And the DX7 offered built in midi and stayed in tune…

[@omniphoriusvcf907]

Love the historical perspective. I have to imagine that being in a world where subtractive analog was all that existed, the DX7 must have seemed a revelation to many. And let's not forget there really weren't that many Prophet 5s in existence, so sometimes these events are re-framed in a way that exaggerates the trends. I imagine many players simply went to their music store and bought what fit their needs best.

[@dags1965]

@@omniphoriusvcf907 also the DX7 carried more sounds was lighter, had new amazing sounds (for the time) was cheaper and was more reliable ...

[@SeanKabanuk]

I definitely experienced this first hand too; as a teenager in the mid 80s. By the time the DX7II was out, analogue was really considered old technology. We had an Arp Odyssey at my high school that was basically ignored and my buddy got an old Juno for $100, because he couldn't afford anything digital - we regarded these synths as quaint and outdated. I had a Korg DS-8 that was pretty cool, except that it wasn't a DX7. It's hard to explain to people now days, but the DX7 was it. Always on the cover of keyboard magazine and the pull-out posters....it just owned the landscape (until the M1). Now, I've just spent big bucks on the Prophet 5 rev 4 and my last DX7 was given to me for free! go figure. Older and wiser? Maybe, but everything goes in cycles.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Worst interface ever, even with all those advancements.

[@Treenote]

You made some beautiful and expansive sounds in this one. Also, glad Sequential helped you out with the bad knob!

[@MIDERA]

Yeah - Sequential was really helpful and chatted a bit with me. Very friendly people. I find Moog and Sequential to be excellent manufacturers and I'm happy to give them my business. And thanks - I really had a lot of fun playing this.

[@thomascarli6324]

Great videos, I thoroughly enjoyed your Prophet and Virus videos! In this demo in particular, are you using a sustain pedal for the long drones or is it the Prophet’s envelopes/something else that helps to achieve the elongated notes? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the great videos!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!!! I don’t remember about the sustain pedal! I think I had used it in some of my videos, as a way to keep notes going, but whether I did that here is a mystery to me :/

[@esersound1]

Glad you're still here. Nice sounds from a big beast!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!!!

[@SlavicSon]

This is the exactly the reason for me to get into synths. As a neophyte, I just picked up a mint P5 with the expansion card for the price of a mint P6. Totally stoked to pair it with my Specular Tempus. Inspiring work here!

[@MIDERA]

Awesome! Yeah, it’s a very nice synth. After picking up the Jupiter 6 and being underwhelmed, I definitely see the benefit of the P10, it’s kind of worlds apart and much nicer.

[@sergiocalzoni8289]

Hello! Very nice ambient track! I'm seriously considering to buy a P10, but don't you think this fantastic synth misses a stereo output? Especially for lush pad sounds, maybe a stereo output would improve even more the sonic character...

[@MIDERA]

Hey Sergio. Good question, although difficult to answer. Did they miss out by not including it? Probably. Would have been nice to be stereo, given all the feature creep that they added anyway that wasn't like an original. It's an odd omission That said - external FX can fix a lot of this, and if you're buying a $5K synth, you probably have the funds to spare for some good FX. That said, today, if I was exploring the P10, I'd really need to think about it versus the OB-X8, which wasn't available when I bought my P10. It has stereo outs and a ton of other features. However - think about this for a minute. Something that is pretty damn special about the P5/10, literally everything is at your fingertips. The polymod section is small, but what it does is takes you in so many directions with only a few controls. There's really something amazing that Dave Smith did when he created the P5. The OB-X8 has so many features, some buried in a 'page 2' setting and while I do want one, I can see how it has more limitations in that set up. Remember that guitars are also mono-outputs and people still buy these, and spend lots of money on them as well. Just because many synths have stereo outputs does not mean that they're needed in all cases. My advise is to carefully consider your needs and compare the P10 and OB-X8 and see where you land.

[@sergiocalzoni8289]

@@MIDERA Hi mate, thanks so much for taking your time for this exhaustive feedback! Indeed the OB-X8 is really impressive, it might be more suitable to my needs considering I produce and release ambient music, where lush pads are a sort of trademark. Nevertheless, the P10 has a unique character and I agree with you that with good effects the lack of stereo outputs should not be such a big issue ;-)

[@MIDERA]

​@@sergiocalzoni8289 Lush pads IMO come directly from an Access Virus TI, if that's of any help. Definitely still my favorite synth ever.

[@pauldonnelly3809]

Nice work mate, sounds amazing. I've always wanted a prophet 10, the poly mod sounds amazing. So glad they updated it. Now I just need to save my pennies ;)

[@MIDERA]

Credit cards for the win!!!! Heheh, thanks :) it’s a great synth!

[@jonathanredman8497]

Nice to hear something different to the usual brass, bass demos etc.

[@MIDERA]

Hey thanks!

[@RJ1J]

Have you made a preset pack of these sounds, I wish I could see what you are doing! Great sounds!

[@MIDERA]

I have not... but I bet I could do it pretty quickly? I have to just check each preset against factory to make sure I actually made something different!

[@RJ1J]

@@MIDERA Did you end up making a preset pack?

[@Ktorios]

Came here to ask the same! Happy to pay for these patches

[@fredericchen6380]

So far my favorite P10 video, what effects are you using if I may ask ? I share your concerns with other synths and I suspect we have close tastes. For now I have a JX10, JX8, Juno1, SY77, DM12, Virus TI&Kc, Nordlead4 and a Prophet 10 on backorder. I believe I will keep most of them , because I have always regreted selling my old synths and bought back most of them. I believe I should let the Virus Kc go.

[@MIDERA]

Hi and thanks :) I'm using Strymon DIG. I have started to part with things now that I have far too many synths. But I haven't sold a lot... I sold my Virus Kb, Polysix, Ensoniq Mirage, Juno 6. I'm surprised I sold those! But I still have a Virus TI (so I didn't need the Kb) and I got the Jupiter6 (so I didn't need the Juno 6) and the P10/Jupiter 6 made the Polysix redundant. nothing could replace the Mirage, but I really just never ever used it. One thing that I think about often is that the 'regret' we feel about selling synths is really more about not accepting negative feelings - I get this bit of panic, and feel I need to fix it. And to fix it, I need to buy back what I sold... I think the solution is to start accepting and experiencing these 'negative' feelings... It's ok to experience loss. Of course, this is easier said than done, for me as well. I'm only beginning to feel this way about my gear and thinking through what's needed. Because when I actually sit down to write a song - I don't at all care about or even think much about the features of this synth or that one. I just go 'hey, this sounds good in the song' and finish writing it.

[@fredericchen6380]

@@MIDERA What an answer and an interesting point of view. I guess you are hundred percent correct about me and my fear of letting go once cherished items. Accepting loss is really the issue here more than music. I also believe this fear extends to bikes, pets, and gf. Regardings synths I think I will get rid of the ones I won’t play much once the prophet will be home. Thank you for your insight, about synths, reverb and life in general. Oh and btw I really dig your music.

[@suereed]

Interesting. The PolyMod section was the area that really made the Prophet 5 come alive for me. I've sold every synth I've ever bought, it was always to fund the next one, that's what happens. I sold a CS80 to buy a Matrix 12, and I sold that to buy a Rev1 Prophet 5, I sold that to buy a hard drive (1meg =£1000 Circa 93), and so on. Twenty years later, I'm thinking of selling a Matrixbrute to part fund a Prophet 10, it's fun. Sound production is like that, like the waveforms they roll on for ever to the end of our happy lives. Great sounds you've dug out of your machine there Mr. Midera.

[@MIDERA]

Can one even imagine CS80 ----> hard drive. That harddrive today must run about $15 on eBay. But probably the times - that 1mb hard drive probably seemed insane! What was your favorite out of the bunch? You had some absolute classics. Thanks very much for stopping by!

[@suereed]

​@@MIDERA I was in the business, and a 1 meg hard drive would hold 60 mins of a stereo DAT tape, enough for a short live set. The CS80 was wonderful and horrible as it never stayed in tune for more than 5 minutes, I used it once live and I was told to leave it behind due to the weight. I had trouble selling it for what I bought it for (£1000), no one wanted one, because no one could fix it (££££). My favorite was the Prophet 5, rev 3, (I sold a Rev 2 to buy that) that's why I will get the reissued one. Too good an opportunity to miss. Keep posting your stuff, it sounds real. The Big Sky is tempting too. I like the way it creates space, or more importanly a place to not play in.

[@downpatmusic]

That external delay sounds great too. Nice sound design here with your Prophet and Strymon. Is all of that effect from a single Strymon DIG? It's amazing what external effects do to these synths. It's the external effects that are almost half of the sound. Also an Analog Compressor and an Analog EQ after the synth can do wonders in emphasizing detail and lower level subtleties.

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, all I used the was the Strymon. One of the delays was made into a chorus, the other wasn’t used until later as a delay. It works perfect for that! I don’t have any compressors or EQ, sadly. But thanks for the kind words!

[@robappleby583]

A really beautiful instrument. Everything has limitations (people are still playing and writing for the piano) but if the whole is more than the parts, then you've got something special.

[@MIDERA]

Absolutely. It really is more than the sum of its parts. Definitely a great instrument worthy of the Prophet patch.

[@GerardMeerstadt]

Hi Midera, inspiring play, so I wonder how you get this infinite sustain in the Prophet sound without touching the keyboard. There is no hold button as far as I know. On mine it stops after a while even with the envelopes decay and release set as long as possible. I could do it in the FX unit reverb, the H9, but then it keeps all tones going on infinitely, so they all heap up to one great pile of sound garbage. So how do you do this? I'd really like to know.

[@MIDERA]

Hi Gerard! There is a 'hold' button on the Prophet 10 REV4, I'm not sure about older revisions, but perhaps this is where the confusion is? There are also two different modes, release and hold, so you may need to switch these in the global setting to achieve this. It's a bit confusing to use, but it is definitely there. Also, I used a pedal so it would 'hold' it for me, but again, that was based on the specific setting within the global menu. I hope that helps!

[@GerardMeerstadt]

@@MIDERA thank you. I do have a rev4, but no pedal. So I experienced this button just as an 'envelope or gate' button that I know from other VCA's. But I will try and toggle it in the general settings! And if that doesn't work it is time for a pedal. :) Thanks for your answer, problem solved!

[@allencowley2112]

You mentioned loose pots on your P5. How did Sequential help you w those? I have a P6 and two of my pots are really loose. I'd love a solution to tighten them. Please let me know. Thanks -

[@MIDERA]

I pulled off the knob, grasping it firmly with both hands and pulling straight up. Then I used a 10mm wrench to tighten the nuts holding the pots in place. If you want, you could reach out to Sequential support for more information.

[@MaximeFrjq]

Were you using the vintage knob on these patches ? They sound gorgeous. Btw if I were you I’d keep the other synths, if only to avoid regrets. They all have a distinct character that still holds value next to the P5/10

[@MIDERA]

You know - everyone raves about the vintage knob. I don't like it that much, it changes the attack times of the envelopes way too much for me and I usually just throw it to 4 (i.e. minimal). To me, hearing the envelopes at different times just really doesn't work for me. That's ok - I think it's cool to have, but honestly doesn't really do much for me (at least not yet). When its on, sometimes I think I'm hearing glitching or mistakes, that's how present it is. Probably much better for pad sounds (which I realize I've used here), but anyway, it's currently not my cup of tea and if I did use it, it was only sparingly, and I think people are over-highlighting its effect on the core sound and characteristic of the REV4. However, I have heard people suggest the effects of the vintage knob could be different per unit, but I doubt that. So - truth be told, anyone with a P6 probably doesn't terribly need it IMO. Although, I know when one does not have something, there's a sense that they need it (i.e., good marketing). And yes - you're probably right about hanging onto synths to avoid regret, hahaha.

[@MaximeFrjq]

@@MIDERA Good to know it’s sound so great “””even without””” that Vintage factor. I’ve been wondering if the REV4 was worth it over the P6, and it seems like the P6 would do just fine feature and sound-wise. Though they aren’t very comparable, since their respective filters and oscillators provide clear differences in character... In the end, it’s always best to listen to these great demos eyes closed and try not to think about how beautiful synths look like, so we don’t end up saying stuff like “yeah the P5 definitely has a more *woody* sound” and have 4k$ fall out of our wallet :)

[@MIDERA]

@@MaximeFrjq My take is and has been that the P6 was not interesting to me due to the 4 octave keyboard. I may change my tune because the P5 does not have a dedicated OCT +/- switch, which actually really sucks. I was bamboozled (lol) by the manual which stated that it HAS transpose, but it's only one semitone at a time. I thought it did octave transposition. However, the visual appeal of the P5 can't be overstated - it truly is a visually appealing synth, far more so than I'd say the P6 is (although the OB6 does look incredible too). I got a discount on my unit (not from any sort of promotion, of course - just because I was talking with vendors and got a good deal). I wouldn't pay full price because I am a cheap-ass. But a good deal came, and I went for it. The P6 and P5 do sound similar, but watching people get into the minutia of comparison just really feels a bit OCD to me. I've done it with vastly different synths, and I'm OCD so I get it...

[@MaximeFrjq]

@@MIDERA totally agree.

[@adognamedshinji]

@@MIDERA how much of a discount were you able to get? if you don't mind answering

[@michaelperrine1117]

This synth is so full. I bet mixing will be a challenge on some tracks. But damn I’m sold. After 3 videos of you playing with this thing with my headphones on I’ve got to get one. It’s incredible. I have a Rev 2 16 and it’s sound is so different that I don’t thing I’d be ignore one or the other.

[@SPAZZOID100]

If using it in a mix were a problem, how were hundreds of great records made with it 1979-1985?

[@michaelperrine1117]

@@SPAZZOID100 Difference between a problem and a challenge. This creates sound so full and dominant that it takes good ears and skill to make it sound right on certain tracks where you don’t want to drown out other parts.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks - yeah... I really really do not think you'd go wrong getting a P5/10. It's incredible. I tried an OB6 and wasn't that interested. The Prophet is a sight to behold as well.

[@JimDaneker]

So good to see a real-world demo of what this synth is truly capable of, rather than lifeless, mono, late-70’s sci-fi noises. Gorgeous sounds!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks - although it's funny that when I released my first demo, I was terrified everyone would scoff at the lack of late-70s sounds that everyone else seems to be posting (and getting a lot of praise for, which I respect).

[@JimDaneker]

@@MIDERA just goes to show there’s something for everyone! I think it’s the nostalgia factor that a lot of people are responding to… But I honestly can’t imagine using a Prophet 5 “naked” in any contemporary music. It’s gorgeous no doubt, but I guess it depends what you’re going for...

[@MIDERA]

@@JimDaneker Funny that I think I found why you mentioned that - in the GS post someone said "I'll take late-70's sci-fi noises over this video any day of the week. Noodling, smothered in fx. Doesn't demo anything imo. " Funny... I guess I found at least one person who dislikes it!

[@JimDaneker]

@@MIDERA ha - yep, I responded to that thread in a way I probably shouldn’t have - coming to your defense. ;-) I think you did a fantastic job of showing what this beauty can do in a modern way, while still honoring its core sound. You didn’t bury it in FX whatsoever. Very tasteful and creative sound design, IMO. Personally, I can’t stop playing mine - it takes to FX so well and is utterly inspiring to play!

[@MIDERA]

​@@JimDaneker Hah - yeah, I actually just responded. Was going to say something rude to that person, but decided it wasn't worth my time and instead thanked people for their kind words. And thanks - I too did not think this was too buried in FX - I literally only used my Strymon DIG on it. Now, most of my stuff IS covered in FX, but that's just what I like I guess! So thanks for that :) apparently the thread got out of hand LOL Yeah, I can't stop playing mine either. It's sooooo good. Never have I felt so good about spending money.

[@Blackeyedangel]

Love your candid explorations and thoughts. The sounds are awesome. I'm starting to GAS for the P10. hnggggg. This sounds amazing too. Maybe I sell all my synths except the P6 and get a P10. Oh one question about the mod matrix on that synth.... How do you assign it to a parameter? do you just turn a knob that you want it to effect?

[@MIDERA]

Sorry I missed this (which is very strange). So... There's not really a mod matrix at all. There are assignments and 'amounts'. You can either activate them or not. It's very simple (although it takes practice to understand, of course). On day 1, I had quite a few problems trying to understand what was doing what, but it became intuitive very quickly. I honestly do not see why you'd keep a P6. it does a few things better, I'm sure, but I would part with it, personally. Then again, I have a lot of synths and I can't sell any of them, so what do I know?

[@Blackeyedangel]

@@MIDERA No worries man, I appreciate the candid conversation. It's amazing that you went from not really digging it to saying it should replace the P6!!!! wow.

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, I guess it didn’t take long, lol. But I’ve never played a P6 so honestly I’m not the person to ask. I personally wasn’t too interested in it to begin with.

[@Blackeyedangel]

@@MIDERA well they aren't much different really. But the P5.4 does sound better IMO. Less phasing between voices, etc. Check out Starsky Carr's side by side demo of the P5.4 and P6 here on youtube. it's a really good look at the differences.

[@MIDERA]

@@Blackeyedangel I have seen his videos on the comparison. P5 is definitely better to me. I think part of the magic is the way voices are allocated. They sound similar enough though.

[@madeithappen8158]

Great Performance and thank you for sharing as always! DIG seems like a Great pair with the Prophet 5/10. Have you tried other pedals with it or just DIG so far?

[@MIDERA]

Thanks. Only really used the DIG because it’s what I have. I also have used eventide space, which I like. I don’t have too many other pedals.

[@DerMensch1]

Man. This video is just astonishingly good. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched it just for the enjoyment now. But mainly what it did was settle my decision to buy the Prophet. That Arabian sounding stuff you do at around 16:30 is just INSANELY COOL. I love it. The only thing I’m hoping is that if I run it into a stereo delay pedal (I have my eye on Walrus Audio’s Meraki) that the pedal will convert it to stereo for me? Do you happen to know? I know most Strymon pedals like the one you’re using here are stereo out. Anyway-thanks for a great demo and any reply as well.

[@MIDERA]

Most “Stereo” synths aren’t actually stereo until they hit effects, so you’re probably fine with any stereo delay. Things like the UDO synths and the poly evolver are binaural and are simply different in “stereo”. What I dislike about the P10 that you cannot do is stereo panning, at least on a per voice setting (I have the boss MD500 which does stereo panning but it handles all voices as one). The biggest criticisms I have of the P10: no octave transpose buttons (which would have been wildly easy), no way to invert LFOs like a reverse Saw wave, no stereo output for panning, and I can’t think of the others at the moment. Thing is… it’s a great synth. And you can go almost anywhere with it. I’m think of parting with my Jupiter 6 because the P10 is so much better.

[@DerMensch1]

⁠@@MIDERAthanks for the reply. Yeah, I’m considering getting this mod done that makes it stereo. It’s at this website called technologyroom. You probably know about it already maybe. It’ll just depend on whether I can find someone to do it for a reasonable price. We’ll see, I guess. And I get you about the Jupiter 6. I’ve owned two Jupiter 8’s, and though they are great synthesizers, they are certainly not worth all the hype and worship surrounding them. When I played the P10 the other day for the first time, I left thinking: man, that thing sounds every bit as good as a Jupiter 8. Or maybe even better-hard to say since I only played it for a short while. Certainly better than the Jupiter 6-yes, I agree. (I have my friend’s Jupiter 6 on loan right now, and I’ve always thought that the Jupiter 8 was better sounding anyway. My poor friend has always had to deal with my smack-talking about his synth 😂). The only concern I had was: this guy pulled the P10 right out of the box just for me, brand new, and the tuning was really unstable for quite a while. I’ve read about that stuff online a little bit, and it seems like Sequential has either fixed it or they will work with you to fix it. Which is fine, but that’s the only thing that’s made me nervous. I would, of course, prefer that it not have that problem even if it can be fixed. Did yours have tuning issues?

[@DerMensch1]

@@MIDERA I kept trying to reply to this video again and again, but KZbin kept deleting my reply. Presumably because I linked the website where you can get a mod that turns it into stereo. But they deleted the third time even just because I mentioned the site. Anyway-all I was saying is that when I buy the synth, I may go through with that, because-I hear you: I love stereo panning. Anyway-I just went and played one of these at Guitar Center (of all places!). I don’t think the kid who took it out of the box just for me was supposed to have done that, but hey-I wasn’t gonna argue! It was really beautiful. I’ve owned two Jupiter 8’s, and I currently have my friend’s Jupiter 6 on loan. And even though they’re great, I really don’t think they’re anywhere near the hype they’re at these days. I definitely think the 8 is better than the 6, but that P10 was just…deep, I thought. And I almost overlooked it. I’m glad I didn’t. It just dawned on me one day that Dave Smith was actually cool and gave his customers what Roland refuses to do and just teases endlessly. Which really irritates me. (Everything is Jupiter this or that and is nothing like the original-even this most recent one that looks exactly like the 8). It just dawned on me one day that Dave did everything you could ask for (even including previous iterations of the Prophet in the synth!) and I’d be a fool to sleep through this. And I’m glad when I played it, it seemed to live up to my expectations. Anyway-my only gripe was how long it took to stabilize the tuning. Did yours have any of the tuning issues I’ve heard about?

[@synthartist69]

Great video, thank you for posting!

[@MIDERA]

Hey thanks! Love your stuff!

[@synthartist69]

@@MIDERA Thank you so much.. new subscriber here :)

[@istvantoth7431]

Sublime synth!

[@MIDERA]

Agreed!

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

It is September 2, 2022 when I’m writing this comment. I have lately been gorging on the Netflix version of Voltron. One of the recurring phrases from the dialogue in the series is that “patience yields focus “. This demonstration of the Prophet 10 is a great example there of. It includes demonstrations of subtractive synthesis that I wasn’t conscious of before. Who would’ve imagined that an analog subtractive synthesizer could be used to emulate a koto, including one with split and layer functionality!

[@MIDERA]

Hey thanks for the kind words. Haven’t heard of Voltron! I don’t think I used split or layer functionality in this demo, as I don’t even think those things were available at the time I did this demo. It’s a fantastic synth though, one of the best for sure!

[@RichardQuirkmusic]

that sound at 6:03 is so lush. great video.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks Richard!!

[@brettlarson3504]

Curious, How does it compare to a Prophet 600 gligli!?

[@MIDERA]

Hey Brett - unfortunately someone else will have to answer that. I played a non-P600 once and really did not like it. But I did not spend much time on it, and it was more the build quality I didn’t like. I prefer the Polaris over the P600 for what it’s worth.

[@Heavenly3lues]

Sounding pretty incredible! Thanks for sharing.

[@MIDERA]

Thank you! You were instrumental in this purchase, hah!

[@Heavenly3lues]

Not sure whether to apologize (for the money gone) or to say you’re welcome (for the encouragement) 😂 Does Meaghan think I’m a bad influence now?

[@MIDERA]

Meaghan doesn’t even know you had anything to do with it. She just knew I hadn’t shut up about it for months!

[@WhoDaresWins-wo1qt]

Very inspiring Prophet 10 video, man! Wow! I am so glad i own one. #207

[@MIDERA]

# 207? Nice! That was one with the resistor problem. Did you fix yours or keep it 'darker'?

[@WhoDaresWins-wo1qt]

@MIDERA thanks, man. Negative. This affected serial numbers 1 to 195 on Prophet 5 keyboards and 1 to 159 on Prophet 10 keyboards.

[@WhoDaresWins-wo1qt]

I was worried initially when I got it, and then I saw the statement I just posted from the Sequential site from Mr Dave Smith himself explaining which models were affected. Cheers man! Keep doing your thing! Inspiring stuff! Subtractive synthesis FTW

[@no_talking]

lovely patches, thank you for not talking

[@MIDERA]

Thanks, and you're welcome - It's too much work to talk in a video anyway!

[@vintagesynths]

Very nice ambient tracks thanks of creative programming and using reverb. The P5 has many facets. I recently made a video of my Rev. 3.3 without fx and more traditional sounds. It’s like two completely different synths.

[@MIDERA]

I’ll check that video out, I’m very curious. I wonder how close the REV4 is to the Rev3. I agree how FX can totally change the character of a synth. I personally just don’t like anything sounding dry except pianos - although VST pianos need reverb IMO. Thanks!!’

[@JKLANG440]

What is the effect you re used?

[@MIDERA]

HI josef - it's a Strymon DIG.

[@JKLANG440]

@@MIDERA thanks a lot

[@kevinbatchelor9566]

Sounding fantastic.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!

[@tritonrecordings]

Great video. The analog poly synths in my collection these days are an Oberheim and a Juno-60 and I felt that had the poly ground covered, but no. Prophet 5 Rev 4 is next for me. All my digital stuff will layer nicely as well...I can already imagine layering the P5 with something like my JD-800...oof...

[@MIDERA]

Thanks. Which Oberheim? Juno 6/60 are great. Wish I hadn’t sold mine :/

[@tritonrecordings]

@@MIDERA It’s a Matrix-6. An underdog, but a little chorus and reverb makes it shine.

[@lifesynthtance]

Glad to hear your first assessment was “plain wrong” ! Sounds absolutely incredible. Definitely goosebump material. Any wiser which synths to keep or sell ? So tough trying to make that decision. There right now but over a Prophet 6. I’d love to stretch to a P10, hopefully some day. Good to hear the loose pot is taken care of, Sequential service is second to none.

[@MIDERA]

I am not entirely planning on selling anything. I’d just like to set up my studio better, lol! I thought the P10 would be a great master controller but it’s not playing nice with my Spectralis so I’m a bit bummed right now...

[@DoctorJezz]

@@MIDERA Interested in why it's not working as a controller. I'm thinking of selling my Rev 3 for a new P10 and that was part of the attraction - I need a new decent controller as my old 76 note Korg T2 has stopped working for pressure (I have an osmose on order, but it's delayed and I'm not sure it'll work for general synth duties). Could you elaborate - I'd greatly appreciate the insight? Thanks :)

[@MIDERA]

@@DoctorJezz Of course! So, there's no Octave +/- buttons. I KNEW that going into it, but I misread the 'transpose' feature. I thought I would just go into the global menu and have the transpose, but it ONLY works for semitones. Pointless for me. Seriously, what's the rationale for a semitone +/-? Second, if I change presets on the REV4, it changes the patterns and starts my external sequencer, even when Parameter Transmission is set to OFF. That shouldn't happen! Third, if I use the sustain pedal (or change the setting to 'sustain', effectively acting like a sustain pedal already), the device plays the note once, but after that, nope. I can't reactivate the note unless I release the pedal. It's annoying. Those three things for me make it a no-go as a master controller. Beautiful, wonderful synth, with absolutely no ability to use as a master, unfortunately.

[@DoctorJezz]

@@MIDERA Thank you for coming back to me - yes - that's not ideal for a master ... octave transpose - THAT's something I actually already miss from my P5 that I'd love - drives me a bits nuts on my Pro One also 🤯. Crazy! Something to think on - all the best man and stay safe :)

[@agamemnon60]

@@MIDERA You might have a midi loop problem causing note errors?

[@zakleever1105]

Recently discovered that this synth outputs one mono signal. However it sounds great through your delay pedal. Given that the Juno really only needs it's chorus to sound huge, I can imagine that adding just one effect to the prophet will give you all the width you could desire. However, I find myself asking why they wouldn't put in a key-to-pan function (like low notes to the left, high notes to the right, etc.). Still, this seems like an essential synth. For your video, I'd recommend putting your FX chain in your description. So funny that stereo out on the Juno was almost what made it unique back in 82. To me any synth that is not stereo is like, what? Makes no sense. So used to detuned serum osc, chorus, reverbs built in, etc.

[@MIDERA]

My FX chain is listed in the description already, I’m not really sure what else is needed, could you clarify? It goes synth to DIG to mixer. I do think it would have been nice if it was stereo, especially after they added a lot of unique features. I love random key panning effects which the AN1x and Prophet 12 have. Had Sequential not added any other features, I think the no-stereo thing would have made sense, it given all that they added, it’s weird that this wasn’t considered. But you know, I do quite like mono synths, they remind me of my guitar and have a more dedicated “instrument” status, in a weird way.

[@zakleever1105]

@@MIDERA Thanks for your response. I missed the FX chain in the description, my apologies. Yeah very interesting. Must be some history there. Still, the Prophet is awesome. Maybe they were plugging them into stage amps back in the day? Idk.

[@ifaber68]

Beautiful sound evolutions :-)

[@MIDERA]

Thanks iFaber!

[@bluemichimusic9507]

Amazing!! I need this synth now too… my wallet thanks you!😁

[@MIDERA]

Hah! Nice. Well, be sure to wait till it’s on sale!

[@abbylarson909]

5:23 is very nice!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks Abby!

[@andrewtrushinski3848]

2:58 that was a really nice bing bong bing.

[@MIDERA]

heh - thanks :)

[@dougplate8234]

Having experienced the introduction of DX7 into the scene, I would suggest that initially DX7 was positioned as much more of a stage piano than a studio synth. At least that's what it was for me - velocity sensitivity, decent metallic sounding electric piano-ish sounds, organ, clav, strings, brass, all the staple sounds that a working musician needs. So, versatility was probably it's biggest advantage. Most of us complained and struggled with programming FM as I recall.

[@MIDERA]

Very interesting - that makes sense. I hadn't considered what the DX7 was geared towards (because really it ended up on literally everything including all pop music!). Also, I love the sound of a DX7, it's a fantastic synth. But people trading their P5s for DX7s were crazy! Hahaha. I don't think FM is that terribly difficult to program, but it's not fun and it honestly gets in the way of me enjoying writing music.

[@FutureFolk1985]

Glorious synth sounds! Someday...for now I am happily getting to know my Roland JX-8P and minilouge xd. Have a sonicware 8-bit liven warps on the way that looks very interesting on the Lofi FM 📻 sort of game boy way. Always great to experience the sonic waves of a fellow synth nerd 🎹 🤓📼👍🏽👾

[@MIDERA]

Having the Prophet 10 has in no way helped me create better music. It has not helped stifle GAS. It has done nothing more than sound very nice and look very nice. Others may be different than me, but I would say you have some great synths. Sonicware has some excellent devices too!

[@taxmoneyyy]

On the one hand, everybody is like "this has infinite possibilities, you can do anything with it". But watching you guys on YT, I gotta say you all basically play the same things with overall those same sounds. Endless you say, right

[@MIDERA]

*slow clap* for the troll with "This channel doesn't have any content"

[@taxmoneyyy]

@@MIDERA Sorry if I came across rude, I was a bit frustrated by the analysis paralysis you get when you have the budget for a flagship synth but have trouble deciding which. Amazing content & a million thanks for the time and efforts!

[@lakavason]

it was very interesting thank you

[@MIDERA]

Thank you for listening :)

[@omniphoriusvcf907]

I love the JX-3P/MKS-30 architecture; I wouldn't let go of that one. So unique, and I think a great foil for the rich, chocolate tones of the Prophet. The Polysix I don't know, but maybe there is more overlap there, don't the Polysix and the Prophet have related filters?

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, I think the Polysix and Prophet have the same (or similar?) filters... well, the Polysix has SSM2044 and P5 had SSM2040 - not exactly sure what the distinction is. They're 'different' though. Interestingly, the Polysix has a smoother transition when adjusting the cutoff... The JX3P also has that 'Roland Chorus' that sounds great - and really did sound awesome in my tracks.

[@omniphoriusvcf907]

@@MIDERA Yeah I love Roland Chorus. I bought the MKS-20 piano module because of it; in the MKS-20 the chorus has adjustable rate and depth. Add a tiny bit of tremolo (moving through the stereo field) and it is heavenly. Too bad none of their synths (that I know of) had so much control in the chorus department.

[@medwaystudios]

Sounds great. Definitely keep the Sy77. To me that's a never sell synth.

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, I agree. It’s great!

[@Manmademadman]

Awesome story! I had the same thoughts, chronologically. I'd love to get you my first 80 sounds. Contact info?

[@MIDERA]

Hey thanks - I'm not much for collecting patches. Part of the fun for me is just the exploration!

[@blush_response]

keep the other synths, they all have their place and you will miss certain qualities about them if you limit yourself to just the p5 (in the analog poly category)

[@MIDERA]

Probably true. I really hope buying the P10 holds me back from buying more synths (unless I sell others first). Although I do want a Super 6. Oh jesus...

[@kurtyhearty]

@@MIDERA have you ever been thinking about the Moog One? I have the P10 and love it, but next on my list is the One, because of the fantastic «cinematic» & «moogy» sound, complex envelopes, the orchestral feeling and almost endless possibilities. It’s my holy grail of synths, but that’s just me. Do you maybe have a perspective on this?

[@MIDERA]

@@kurtyhearty Ah, yes, indeed I thought QUITE A LOT about this very thing. When the P10 came out, I thought "Why not just spend the extra $1-2K on the Moog One instead?" Well, I watched video after video of the Moog One and not once felt like it was inspirational. I didn't like the sound that much, and didn't really care for the looks of it either (like, yeah, it must be impressive to some extent), but it just really did nothing for me on multiple levels. I am sure it is 'a beast' but for me, I was really pining for, what my friend laughs at me calling "a big boy" synth from the vintage era. The P5, OB-Xa, OB-X, Matrix 12, Jupiter 8, etc... of course, I can't afford most of them and I wouldn't want to deal with their possible issues. So, the re-issue of the Prophet 5/10 was really the golden apple. If they mostly nailed the sound (I've heard they did), that was what I wanted. It checks almost all the boxes EXCEPT OCT +/- transpose. I just don't think I could see myself spending THAT much money on a synth - to me, at $5000-$7000 (and everyone said to get the 16 voice, so the upper end there), I better damn well love everything about it, including aesthetics. I do not feel I made a mistake at all in my purchase and I highly doubt I'll get a moog one. That said - I love my Moog Matriarch to death. It is a fantastic product and I think Moog is awesome and would support them again. I just think the Moog One is trying to be everything and ends up doing nothing for me. To each their own though!

[@kurtyhearty]

@@MIDERA thnx for answering, and this is interesting thoughs. It's kinda special for me to hear you and other guys with the taste for these classical analog synths, not thinking Moog One also should be on the top of their list. I have played pianos my entire life and unfortunatately missed out of the fabulous synth world until recently. So, this will have to make me do a deeper consideration about the One, and the cost of course. For now, I will play P10, learning end experimenting and then I'll see👍 Cool to hear your playing, btw..!

[@MIDERA]

Thanks - yeah, the Moog one just isn’t on my list. I’d I were to have a list at all, top of that would be the Summit or Super 6. Both very interesting to me.

[@aliasname602]

How much for the polysix?

[@MIDERA]

Oh... it's not for sale (yet).

[@hausverkehrs3676]

Hi can you make a patch bank for this synth?

[@MIDERA]

I think I made it up as I went and did not save any patches... sorry

[@hausverkehrs3676]

@@MIDERA well stop making awesome patches and not saving them for me to purchase :(

[@analog_]

Beast!! You continue to sell me synths 🤣

[@MIDERA]

Hah. Thanks :)

[@synth4ever]

JX3P are everywhere, so if it were me I'd let that go first. If push came to shove, maybe the Polysix... but otherwise would keep the Polaris. The P5/10 does sound lush and if you don't need to selll gear it's always better to keep it if you still enjoy it IMO.

[@MIDERA]

This is a good point - I see JX3P's as well, although not locally, that often. I think I would part with them in that order as well. We're on the same page. The Polaris is just in another class than those two, but it is very wild. Thanks!

[@intheblink]

Ugh, I hate you for making me reconsider. Haha... I keep talking myself out of buying one and then I see videos like this. Just beautiful sounds!

[@MIDERA]

What do you currently have? Makes me want to see what I could do on a similar level with my Virus TI (although, again, the build quality of the Prophet is in a league of its own). I waffled and waffled, but ultimately, this felt like the right synth. I have probably spent two years wondering whether I should get a P6 or OB6, but when I heard them, they never really did it for me...

[@intheblink]

@@MIDERA right now just a Nord Lead 2, Minibrute 2, and Roland SH-2. I used to own a Prophet 6 and enjoyed it, but it never scratched the itch I have for a P5. The sound of the OB6 excited me more, but isn’t a tone I feel like I would use in my music a lot. Thinking of picking up a P5.

[@MIDERA]

@@intheblink I think if you're able to get one, you should. I think it's extremely good in so many ways. I've sat here for years wanting one of 'the best' synths, and this was finally it. Although I would encourage you to consider the P10 because I ran out of voices surprisingly fast!

[@mikehenley9297]

Almost better than the Radikal Accelerator. Only joking, much better (even the plucks give the accelerator a run for its money without the need for Karplus Strong). These new prophets feel truly alive and organic, full of lushness and bite in equal measure. The ability to use velocity for cut off and volume make them hugely expressive. An instrument that totally invites interaction.

[@MIDERA]

Oh I think the Accelerator is still great, but the P10 is quite different and immediate with the UI and wood. I do enjoy the karplus strong aspect of the accelerator, but you’re right, the P10 can get there without the need for it. I think the P10 can also do stuff more interestingly than my SY77, and it doesn’t take a huge amount of effort to get there! The velocity and adtertouch expressiveness really helps in the P10, I’m glad they added that. Still bummed they don’t have an octave transpose, that’s about it’s biggest downside to me.

[@Najaxyutara]

parfait Merci ! ❤️

[@MIDERA]

Thank you!

[@pablolarosa5]

What is your FX chain?

[@MIDERA]

Hi, the FX chain is P10 -> DIG -> mixer

[@AwakeFM]

I wouldn't sell anything unless you need the space / cash. Every synth has something to offer.

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, you're probably right :/ I still want to buy a Juno. Ugh. I had one too, but now they're just getting ridiculous (which, partially may drive my interest in them!!!!). I see Juno 6's going for $1700 now.

[@AwakeFM]

@@MIDERA I know man. I wanted a Juno too and now they are way overpriced. I have set my sights on the Super 6 instead. Not really a fair comparison but I think that machine captures some of the soul of those vintage Roland's in a very cool way.

[@MIDERA]

​@@AwakeFM Not a fair comparison - in what way?

[@06dreamliner]

IT S MAGIC THANKS

[@MIDERA]

Thank you!

[@justinupchurch1773]

really hope i get wood like that when mine get's here

[@MIDERA]

Good luck! I’m sure it’ll be unique either way!

[@Digiphex]

You shouldn't sell any synth ever unless you are strapped for cash. I had a new in box MonoPoly about 3 years ago that I sold. Should have just sat on it but I sold it for $4,000 and thought that was good. But I wish I hadn't.

[@MIDERA]

Damn, Selling for $4K seems like a really good sell. I sometimes see them go for $1500 (but definitely used). Did you not use it??? I've wanted a MonoPoly, but I do feel the Matriarch hits that sound and is probably better in some ways.

[@Digiphex]

@@MIDERA Didn't find lots of uses for a synth that was not poly (in the conventional sense). But I have never seen another one in box with all the literature just as it came and also the outer factory shipping box.

[@MIDERA]

@@Digiphex Yeah, that's crazy. I think that I wouldn't get rid of that myself! But... I've gotten rid of a lot of interesting and cool synths, so... what can I say.

[@anoniconoclast2030]

It sounds really close to the original. Maybe a bit darker. Nice wood grain one this one.

[@MIDERA]

Yeah, I have absolutely no experience with the original, so I’m no authority on it, but I do love how it sounds. Also, I may not have opened the filter all the way up here, which may have contributed to a darker tone. Not sure though. And yeah, I love the wood grain on mine.

[@bobafat1830]

Lovely sounds here!! have you played it with the matriarch yet?

[@MIDERA]

Ah, sadly I have not. I've just been playing the P10 all by itself. Haven't had the heart to hook it up yet! Thanks :)

[@mackmccord3743]

@@MIDERA be careful you may just disappear. That's my dream. To run a future prophet through my Matriarch. That sounds so weird inside and outside of my head lol. These are such amazing sounds you have created with this beautiful instrument!

[@brandonlbartlett]

This comment will annoy people im sure, but im waiting to hear the behringer pro-16 before i pull the trigger on a p10. I love my deepmind 12 and poly D, if the pro 16 is as good as i hope, it will be 1/3 the price, or less, than the original

[@MIDERA]

Well - I hope people won't be annoyed by your comment. For me personally, I don't want Behringer gear for a few reasons (regardless of any ethical practices). 1) Normally they use wall warts for their gear which I don't like (my Moog Matriarch has one and so does my Poly Evolver, so it's not a huge deal breaker). 2) Trying to get any warranty work is nearly impossible, or was, for me when I had the RD-909. I had to sign up on Music Tribe and in fact never ended up talking to a human. I got some response that was generic and unhelpful and found no real way to get further. I sold the RD-909 as I didn't want to deal with it in case anything went wrong with the unit in the future. 3) I don't really like the craftmanship of their products - although I think that's highly subjective. That said, I own some very cheap and poorly built synths that even the big manufacturers made (Yamaha AN1x springs to mind). I think it would be hard to beat the actual look and feel of a Prophet 5/10, but I totally get it - the features of the Behringer would probably be a lot better too. I'd imagine octave transpose and an arpeggiator would be included, and likely LFO sync. I anticipate that following the release of the Behringer, Sequential will update to fix a lot of these things to try to get some competitive edge against Behringer. My hope was they would add these things for the sake of doing so for their current customers, but we're moving on to about 3-4 years since its release so I don't see that happening.

[@WhoDaresWins-wo1qt]

Get a PRO3 and run this again alongside the P10. 🤯

[@SuperGeorge2112]

I just use the octave pitch of the oscillators if I want to change octave and it is pretty quick to do.

[@MIDERA]

That isn’t really a solution for me. You can’t do both at the same time (or it would be difficult). You’d hear them travel down one semitone at a time. And, most problematic, it wouldn’t cause external synths to be affected, so it makes it unfit as a midi controller. Those are my complaints. I often like to move beyond the 61 notes on my sequencer, and it makes it I possible to do with my P10.

[@jamesmeeker6933]

Just keep the other synths. You already have them. Unless, of course, it would fund other necessary equipment (converters, eqs, etc.).

[@MIDERA]

A wise suggestion really. Thanks

[@Screaming-Trees]

I am torn between this and the Moog One. I like Moog as a company better. The anarcho-syndicalist orientation is the epitome of freedom after all :). I like the fact that it has adjustable envelope curves. That feature alone is worth the price of admission since this is exactly what you need if you want to emulate, well any synth ever. All the early Rolands for example had exponential envelope curves so the One would more than likely take you into that territory. The interface is a little more elaborate (more knobs etc) and a few other bells and whistles. But Dave has kind of wormed his way into contention with this. From this and other Prophet demos I'm hearing modern techno, techno plucks, ambient, minimal techno, dub techno, melodic techno with vocals, trance, rave, burial style dub, bass horns, basses in general (I think this thing would kill as a mono synth), vangelis soundscapes etc al. It's really annoying Dave because I want to buy the Moog One.

[@MIDERA]

So - I had the same conundrum. However, the Moog One was... $5500+? I don't remember. Also, I recall feeling disappointed in every demo I heard of the Moog One. I couldn't tell if it was user error or what, but not once did I feel inspired by it. However, think about this - the Prophet 5 has been around for a very long time, and the Prophet 5/10 Rev4 is more accessible, so LOTS of people have it, providing more opportunities for me to evaluate the P5/10. The Moog One does not have this benefit (of 40+ years of demonstrations). So - that was unfair of me to assess it on that level, but at the same time, it's so much money I had no choice to assess it. A few remarks about the Prophet 5 and why it frustrates me these days: 1) I absolutely hate that there's no octave transpose. Yes, I can go into global settings and transpose ONE SEMITONE AT A TIME - but that sucks. Also, in global mode, I cannot make any adjustments to the sound - so it's not like throwing it in global mode and having an octave transpose would be useful). To me, this is a big problem preventing it from being a master controller. 2) If it was used as a master controller, it ALWAYS sends program changes to my sequencer, literally screwing everything up. I have no way to fix this. Turning off transmission of MIDI data doesn't solve this. Stupid. I wrote to Sequential about this and they were like, "Oh, yeah... I guess it does do that. Our other synths do that to." which is not exactly an excellent rationale for implementing that (we do it this way because we've always done it that way even though it makes no sense). Now that I own the Prophet 5/10 and I do love how it sounds, I am sure I made the right decision. But I am frustrated by aspects of it. But the Moog One is too expensive - and seeing videos on making it sound "more vintage" should not be needed. Seriously, an hour long video on making it sound more vintage is something I expect of the Korg Radias, not of a $6000+ synthesizer, of which everyone recommends the 16 voice model. There is too much shit going on with the Moog One. What sound are you looking for and what are your needs, because honestly at a certain point, i'd just recommend the Chroma Polaris, which is way fatter sounding than the Prophet 5/10, has much better MIDI implementation, and is half the price or better. But if it's between the Moog One and Prophet 5/10, I would not hesitate to recommend the Prophet 5/10. If you NEED it to be your main controller, look elsewhere or consider my issues with it above to see if they would annoy you. Otherwise, the Prophet5/10 deliver 100% on sound and I have not been dissatisfied. Does that help? Please feel free to ask more questions or further the discussion. I have no issues with corresponding my thoughts, although they are biased because I own the Prophet and not the Moog, so keep that in mind. And one last thought - it's not like Sequential are the only ones with problems with their gear and MIDI - I have a Moog Matriarch and it's pissed me off on multiple levels almost more than the Prophet 10, whether it's constant review of the manual to decipher the global menu or Start/stop messages not working, or whatever, it's been equally annoying. So - just keep that in mind as well. All manufacturers seem to have issues. Even Access Virus - The TI forces me to turn off Local every time I power it up (the KB didn't not). Each company does annoying things. The Prophet 10 is more aesthetically pleasing to me than the Moog one, it's also smaller and I think these factor into price, in my opinion. I would rather have the Prophet 10 than a Moog One on almost literally every level. Whoops... I dragged that on.

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@MIDERA Thanks for the quick reply. Much appreciated. Gotcha. Really appreciate the detail too. The Moog One is $8500 new. It seems you can get deals here and there but quickest way is probably snag one from Sweetwater or one of the other large retailers and pay the full fare. I hadn't considered the implications of Dave omitting some of the nowadays taken for granted features like transpose buttons etc. Has anyone from Sequential indicated that this might be rectified with a firmware update? Might be worth reaching out. I can understand wanting to stick to the original specs but I don't think transpose buttons would have impacted the sound. Seems like a feature that could have been implemented without any negative consequences and at the same time extending the utility of the synth (i.e. master controller etc). I'm not sure if I'd need it to fill the role of a master controller but I mean I wouldn't be upset if it did that if you know what I mean :). I use a Kurzweil PC4 for stuff like that but more and more I'm moving away from screens and thus software will need to be replaced. My day job is all screens 40+ hours a week and lately it's kind of been causing me some eye strain and headaches and such. Hence the push in the hardware direction. That said the Brian Eno in me insists on the "less is more" paradigm hence I thought the One. It wouldn't actually have to replace a whole lot. I only use one software synth pretty much (U-he Diva) but that one synth is really a bunch of synths in one so it might prove more difficult to replace than it might seem on the surface. I get what you mean regarding the Moog One demos. It's a puzzling situation for sure. Having listened to seemingly hundreds of demos myself I have come to the same conclusion as you pretty much. Don't like any of the demos. I do however hear hints of potential in the aggregate of all the demos. Matt Johnson, the Jamiroquai guy, has a few demos on his channel that have led me to believe that, ironically, the Moog sounds pretty similar to the Diva. This kind of sparked the interest I initially I guess. But I am, like you, genuinely puzzled at the lack of good demos for the One. One thing I noticed right away while going through the user manual is the adjustable envelope curves feature. This alone, in theory, could be worth the price of admission since it would allow the One to impersonate any synth pretty much. I suspect most people don't know this and haven't experimented with envelope curves. But it is a must if you want to say impersonate a Jupiter or some of the early Roland stuff (all had exponential envelope curves). I asked the Sequential team why they don't include this as a standard feature in their synths. I mean it would offer a lot more range. The answer was people don't request it. It isn't popular. So that might be telling I don't know. Another reason for the shitty demos might be the "more is more" paradigm when you have such a battleship on your hands. I.e. people turn everything on whereas it might be smarter to do the opposite. Some of the best sounds of all time are just a couple of oscillators, bit of filter and envelopes with some velocity for expressivity while playing. Case in point is your Prophet 10 demo. That's a pretty simple synth. Moog One haunts people with its vastness and they feel to compelled to turn every feature on on every patch. I digress. I take your point on the each manufacturer having their own issues. I think that the Moog One can probably sound great and the secret is the "less is more" approach. Which almost noone has thought of yet. Same was true of the Andromeda. Nobody thought of approaching it with a minimalist mindset and paying attention to things like gain staging as you go. As of right now though the Prophet 10 is winning in my books and in no small part thanks to your video here mate. Cheers.

[@MIDERA]

@@Screaming-Trees I’m just responding on my phone, while All’s Well song from Oblivion plays in the background, so I apologize for any inconsistencies and strange train of thought throughout. First, I did reach out to sequential. It was very clear they had no interest in including a transpose feature. The weird midi issues they did say they’d add to the feature request. I think the same is true of the program change messages, and maybe transpose? But they seemed pretty much like they didn’t care about it, so... I’m not hopeful. On the Moog one. Yeah, more is too much in many demos. Nothing ever blew me away. The envelopes might be adjustable but here’s the deal, do you WANT a synth that is extremely expensive and expansive? I’d rather have two cheaper synths that span very different realms of sound (System 8 and Prophet 10?). Think about the Moog One going down. Jesus, that’s $6000+ down the drain potentially. But beyond that, I actually hate getting into the level of detail and just editing and editing. The simple synths I take for what they are, I’m not constantly “wait, IS THIS good enough?” The shape of the envelope is what it is, and it’ll do the job or it won’t. I don’t want to have so many parameters I’m constantly thinking about it. In fact, one of my favorite synths is still the Matrix 1000, which, while I might part with because the Prophet 10 does those sounds (often better, but not always), it was just damn simple and sounded great. That said, I like complex machines. But I am not willing to throw down so much money into an instrument that is 1) huge, 2) sounds mediocre, and 3) is too expansive and expensive. At $6000+, I need it to be a Jupiter 8 reissue. There’s no other way I would spend that sort of money. And it can be just as simple/flawed or whatever the original was (obviously it’s a classy synth). I’m just saying, it needs no more bells and whistles. I’d the Moog One were $3500 I would have bought that instead. I like different. I like weird, different things. But not many people own this because it’s so expensive, but yeah... I would want it to find a way to stick out. That would be my goal. I have always preferred outsider things (Radikal Technologies?) because they’re the only way to really separate myself. That said - no one cares about my music and outsider gear, hahahah, so it’s a failed experiment. My “best” work on here, or most viewed, I mean, are all the things demoing popular gear... Where was I? I don’t remember. You caught me monologuing! I bet you would do great things with the Moog One, and I have no doubt it would be an excellent instrument. For ME, it was not worth the risk for all the reasons above. Also, the wood chassis of the Prophet 5/10? How can you beat that????

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@MIDERA I see. I guess they're sticking to their strict reissue paradigm. The original Prophet 5 didn't have the transpose buttons either. Same deal probably with just the mono output etc. The midi issues however should be repaired. Yeah I hear ya. In truth I'm not that interested in a lot of the features included on the One. Saying that however I am not intimidated by the vastness either. The Andromeda was kind of the same but the interface was pretty straight forward and you could bypass much of the bloatware. Having a firm grasp on certain aspects is essential (e.g. gain staging is one that a lot of people ignore but it has a big impact on the final outcome) and certain features are essential (like the aforementioned envelopes settings) but many of the features are far from essential or important even and can be ignored for the most part. And I mean insofar as even the essential features like envelope curves it looks like you can treat it as a binary choice (100% exponential or 100% something else) so in that way at least it would be quick to navigate between. All that said though your points still stand. The sound is a mystery. The price makes the whole idea risky etc etc. As it stands right now I know I can navigate the complexity and bloatware, or navigate around it I mean, but that's still no guarantee in the sound department. I do need an analogue poly though and preferably one that can cover a lot of ground. I'm tired of aliased oscillators. I think some of the more advanced digital-modeling-analogue is really good and has come a long way but still leaves me a bit underwhelmed when it comes to oscillator aliasing. It seems only analogue offers a way out of that for now. But the Prophet 10 sounds pretty excellent despite the smaller scope so, I am as of now undecided :(.

[@MIDERA]

@@Screaming-Trees I think you should go Prophet 10 and not look back. As you said, the Moog One is just too risky of a purchase. The prophet is a classic. Get the P10 and then get some obscure digital synth like the modor NF1 or get the System 8 for digital modeling. Or, left field, go for an SY77 for cheap. But I walked the same path you are walking and the choice was pretty clear. That said, I do understand different things call to different folks and there’s nothing wrong with that. You will likely be happy either way. If no P10 existed and it was between a vintage P5 and Moog One for the same price? My answer would be different.

[@Bernd_Bruening]

Great synth, great sounds. Don’t sell the Polaris.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks. Ok, I don't plan on parting with that one.

[@caseystu123]

sounds around 10:19 are what dreams are made of.

[@MIDERA]

Thanks :D

[@asklfhjaw8o48934]

First chord = immediate "like"

[@MIDERA]

Thanks!!

[@edenhunter9904]

Disregard my comment below. I did buy it and I love it!!😊

[@MIDERA]

Awesome! That's great :D Congrats!

[@barrakingbeatz7794]

The polybrute would give it a good challenge with the pads

[@MIDERA]

Probably, but I don’t have that!

[@tomnicholson1653]

The Polybrute is not nearly as rich sounding, but is lovely for pads, too.

[@ArnethProductions]

111 in red. 1st Seal waiting to be opened! We fly soon! ✈ 💗🌸ঌ ( ＾◡＾)໒꒱✨🙏 🆙⬆ 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Rev 3:10)

[@MIDERA]

Not entirely sure I want that 1st seal opened!

[@Heavy_Distortion]

Go ahead and sell the SY77 and JX3P. Polaris has nice osc sync in low octave. Beyond that it's also worth selling. You won't regret it. A Poly6 with original SSM chips is nice but no match for Prophet rev4. Go ahead and sell it. Trust me. A new Tom Oberheim synth summer 2021 and two clones coming in a few months. These replace a lot of synths.

[@MIDERA]

Perhaps - but I actually still find a lot of joy in my Polysix. The SY77 is great, but yeah, that’s getting close to the chopping block. JX3P also has something special going on... just thinking right now.

[@soundsofsynth]

amazing sounding. now...where is that spare £4K I had. Oh....no.....hmmm.....oh well...... :(

[@MIDERA]

Watch for good sales - I did not spend that much, but since you're likely in the UK, I don't know what kind of sales you might have. Also, 4K pounds is like $5500 USD. I don't know how that translates - like, do you earn more in the UK than we do in the US, so that translates to an equivalent value? Well, if you have a bunch of other synths. I would say it would be worth parting with some to fund it! Hopefully you're able to, but if not... I am certain you can make great music without it!

[@soundsofsynth]

​@@MIDERA thanks for the reply. Alas I just cannot afford it. I have a Virus TI, Sequential PRO 3 and Korg Minilogue XD and novation Circuit so I do get by and I do have lots of fun with all of that! Love your stuff man...very cool.

[@abbylarson909]

Thank heavens no BR-ASS!

[@MIDERA]

Hah - I sometimes try to make the "Jump" patch on my synths... I feel like that's Brass enough. And then I stop.

[@Handheldsounds]

Keep the JX and Polaris..sell the rest and buy a Super 6. Along with the Prophet you will have pretty much every tone.

[@xamphoa]

I’ve got my eye on the Super 6, but can’t yet justify it. Do you own one? Curious your thoughts if so.

[@Handheldsounds]

@@xamphoa Yes I own one. It ticked so many boxes, including the "I don't need any vintage Roland anymore" box LOL It's a special synth. Not a 'do it all' and won't give you the vintage analog sound but it is very pleasing and has a unique sound that no other synth quite has.

[@MIDERA]

@@Handheldsounds But why would I keep the JX if the Super 6 ticks the box of not needing any vintage roland's? I really do quite want one. They seem very nice. Just haven't committed to parting with my JX quite yet.

[@Handheldsounds]

@@MIDERA I own the Super 6 and I listened to many JX examples. The one thing that the Super 6 can't do is that vintage analog body and character that the JX can still deliver. I can't think of another affordable analog Poly that can do it other than the JX at that price. Also...at some point people are going to wake up and see that the JX is basically a Juno killer at a third of the cost so that's another reason to keep it ;)

[@MIDERA]

It doesn’t have the best envelopes though, compared to the Juno - do you have any experience with the kiwi mod?

[@edenhunter9904]

Yeah and now make it STEREO output so we can actually consider buying it .....

[@MIDERA]

I think mono output is fine. My qualms with it are the fact that it is not a good master controller. No octave transpose, sends program changes even when all outgoing messages disabled, and some other issues I have... kind of a bummer that a new synth doesn’t even do these basic things. Oh well...

[@edenhunter9904]

@unarmed blackman I know, and therein lies the problem. It's 2021 people. All I'm saying is don't get caught up in the hype. Modern synths offer all sorts of good stuff the vintage can't and most of what they can.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Not necessary. And it’s been selling like HOTCAKES btw.

[@SPAZZOID100]

@@MIDERA not meant to be a controller.

[@captainjaneway1111]

@@MIDERA what does octave transpose do exactly ?