China Just Lost the Space Race!

China lost the Space Race by half a century, but what exactly are China's ambitions in Space? It's more sinister than you think!
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[@TenderQWERTY]

I remember when China landed that rover on the moon. I was watching a live feed of it, and there were people commenting stuff like, "The west is silent about Chinese making history" like they were completely unaware that the west did the same thing 50 years ago.

[@theredscourge]

@@Tokamakcat lol this video is absolutely objective on China, it was made by a person who spend YEARS living there and experiencing it for himself first hand. He experienced a long period where the official CCP policy was to treat foreigners well, then he was there for the slow transition to the official CCP policy being to treat foreigners bad and blame all of China's problems on them, and then he left. He was literally posting videos EVERY WEEK of footage he recorded by himself while riding around the countryside on his motorbike. You can still access those videos on his other KZbin channels.

[@me6057]

@@Tokamakcat lmao i have Chinese friends, trust me i know whats going on there🤣🤣🤣

[@dredeth]

@@Tokamakcat as someone who lived in China from 2011 till 2015 I can say that things I had experienced in that time period are 100% true.

[@godoffunny3068]

@@Tokamakcat - 500 Social Credit

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@Tokamakcat If he is filling the information gap with truth, what's your little-man bitter problem with it? No spoken opinion on the planet is "objective" because we are human beings who view things through our own perspective. Your professor probably said similar things in a much less inflammatory way. it's very obvious this is anti-CCP, but these videos are funded by donors who make the choice to donate lol - people choose to throw them five bucks over Paypal or Patreon. It's free for everyone to view and any funding they do get is voluntary donations. You sound jaded and annoyed that someone is providing a filler to the information gap, producing videos and providing infotainment then people are choosing donating to them. Why?

[@cenccenc946]

I taught at a university in China for a year. I was going to teach research writing; then I discovered they first needed to learn how to do research. Most "experiments" and "research" they were conducting would not pass most grade school level science classes in the West. That was among their PhD students. They simply did not get the scientific method, and leaned extremely heavily on simply copying eachother and the western works (even if it was wrong). I spent most of my year trying to stop my students from just copying, and write something original. The big breakthrough was when I convinced them to use citations for what they copied. 😆 🤣 😂

[@joanmavima5423]

😳🙄😖😬😵‍💫

[@PibrochPonder]

They are fantastic at mimicking

[@realtimestatic]

Lmao, them not using citations is kinda ironic

[@johnhoog8279]

CCP isn't comfortable with teaching free thought. Winston covered that as well.

[@invertedaura1986]

China has Universities?? 🤯

[@jamesk370]

One thing I find interesting is that the NASA offers public tours of their facilities, that (until very recently -- Ukrainian War) Roscosmos offered public tours, and that the ESA offers public tours of their facilities. To my knowledge, China National Space Administration does not offer public tours of their facilities. Just saying.

[@lip124]

Interesting, do they even film there pilots in space to show the people 🤔. I've NEVER seen any

[@jacqquelinetackaberry5450]

Many of us in the USA are really NOT sure ANYONE went to the moon 🤷‍♀️ We have VERY little trust in our institutions these days!!

[@jacqquelinetackaberry5450]

We think it was a HOLLYSLEAZE production 🤑

[@joeybacker8429]

It's always the same. Take KZbin f.e., an american company, everyone use it in Europe, still available in Russia, but China has It's own "Intranet Version"... So does North Korea

[@javkiller]

Their entire space program is rolled into their military. It's one of the reasons people aren't usually excited about their projects. They do put some incredible technology up in space but since they are so spotty on what they choose to share, it's almost impossible to get any worthwhile data that's usable in the modern scientific context. They make it impossible to verify.

[@AtomicExtremophile]

That song was nauseous! I've said for years that no country with a space program should be receiving aid and handouts.

[@bananian]

Canada doesn't even have a space program and they were sending sid to China!

[@sunneinsplendour8459]

"Taiko" coming from the Chinese word for space and "naut" for what they contributed to space technology - this had me in stitches.

[@chrissharp5073]

I thought it a Mexican chilly dog!!!!!

[@MrNajibrazak]

"Taiko" also means Big Brother in Cantonese. Triad lords and lieutenants are also addressed as taiko. When the entire country and foreign policies are run in triad like mentality It's just space with CCP characteristics.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

"Taikun" (大君) also existed as a veneration in archaic Japanese. That's "tycoon" in English today. idk if there's any link lol. that line made me put my pen down and laugh

[@lifeisbutadreamsodreamon]

I know, I was taking a sip of coffee and inhaled, the delivery was on point 😄

[@lederp8096]

they shortened "taikong" (full word) to "taiko" to merge with the "naut"

[@bigafroman4277]

One quick correction/addition: NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is currently in orbit around the Moon and has a great view of the Moon's far side. In fact, when China landed Chang'e 4&5, they requested help from NASA to view the landing site and deployment of the rover. This was one of the very few times the U.S. and China have worked together in space.

[@darshpatel3427]

I think ISRO also has a reconnaissance satellite in orbit around the moon

[@jasonboness3871]

Just means it infiltrated by China, just like Joe Biden...

[@bigafroman4277]

@@darshpatel3427 yes that wold be the Chandrayaan-2! Unfortunately, the rover that was sent along with it failed to land successfully on the lunar surface though. :( Hopefully India will try again soon!

[@johnc2438]

@@bigafroman4277 Good luck, India! Salute from a former JPL employee, now retired. 👍

[@WaaDoku]

That and when they both worked together to rescue Mark Watney from being stranded on Mars.

[@HoltAircraft]

As someone who is a major aerospace enthusiast I can tell you all of the equipment they are using is made in Russia. The space suit is a Russian Sokol pressure suit. None of this is Chinese technology, it's all old Russian stuff they have Kerbal Space Programmed together.

[@Xotsnik]

Bruh, time to time I have feeling that most of non-nasa space enthusiasm is only feasible as ksp mission ps elon is not different

[@marashdemnika5833]

Yes But it does get the work done, if it works why not use it. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[@KhairulFadzlyAKarim]

China has always take others tech and replicate it, until they have enough know how to make their own. You sure thats not a Chinese made Russian space suit?

[@jacquesstrapp3219]

@@Xotsnik Musk would kick NASA's ass at KSP. The Falcon Heavy costs a tenth of the SLS.

[@Xotsnik]

@@jacquesstrapp3219 still not against my coment

[@garystrankman3841]

I saw a short video of three Chinese astronauts in their version of the ISS floating around zero gravity and showing things...except they forgot to remove the glass of water sitting on a table!!!!!

[@tommymarco]

lol !!!!!!!!!!

[@JB-rf8cx]

They dont have Hollywood

[@Paratroopersteark]

Fun Fact: During the space race, NASA and it's soviet equivalent went into heavy communication to avoid an international incident, which was pretty cool that they decided to launch both craft at the same day but taking different trajectories and maneuvers so they don't crash into one another, and they even discussed which point of the moon they'd be landing on. I think there has been even a little exchange in technology between the two, but i don't know. China is effectively that one kid from the very back of the class the school bully doesn't know, it has no actual friends, and he tries to imitate the two most popular kids in school that used to be rivals and became friends and turning rivals again.

[@paperburn]

Heavy communications were to prevent one side from thinking the other side launch a preemptive nuclear first strike. I do not think heartfelt cooperation was the motive.

[@Punishthefalse]

@@paperburn It still worked. Cooperation is still a great way to make progress.

[@paperburn]

@@Punishthefalse TRue that

[@paperburn]

we defiantly did not blow each other up😌

[@highonimmi]

@@paperburn sometimes that's all you can ask for

[@Slarti]

I agree, when here in the UK we have people attending food banks it's time to stop sending £70m to China.

[@Dethflash]

Here in America you get called a far right wing Trump supporter if you say something as simple as "maybe we should focus on issues here in America first before spending 40 million dollars to gender studies in Pakistan"

[@mockdr]

@@Dethflash I’ve never, ever seen that happen. That’s a popular opinion. Nobody really disagrees.

[@sylviam6535]

@@mockdr - The DS uses the ‘isolationist’ label against anyone opposing globalist project, and they have managed to associate that with white nationalism.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

@@Dethflash shut it

[@sandman0123]

1:23 I've been around for a while and I remember a joke I've heard from a Russian guy in those early days, about the initial efforts of China to go into space. I suppose with all the successes of the Soviets at the time, they looked down a bit on China. It went like this: Q: What is the Chinese launch system like? A: It's a giant slingshot, with a million people pulling back on it. Q: Who will be the first Chinese astronaut? A: The last one to release the slingshot!

[@Wbliss]

Sour grapes taste like vinegar, anything but honey. Jealousy won’t get u anywhere except for the outhouse.!

[@Robin483]

and who has the last laugh...idiots! China is laughing all the way to space....

[@BillyBoze]

@@Wbliss What's the pay like? Also how's life without a soul?

[@jasonr5989]

@@Wbliss You stole all the tech. You can't innovate. You wouldn't have anything without the rest of the World aiding you, and you repay that aid with hostility and theft. Time is short wumao. Soon, you will not pass go, you'll not receive your 50 cents, and you'll go straight to jail ( if you're lucky ).

[@geraldfrost4710]

I heard it differently. A deportation system used in Texas called the AhSplat, named after the sound it makes. "Next!"

[@crispyone2564]

That song is never gonna leave my head now. Thanks

[@GenaF]

😆 I love your take on the word "TAIKONAUT" 😆 "Taiko meaning Space and Naut as in what they've contributed to space technology in general" Absolutely brilliant 🤩

[@hanfucolorful9656]

He simply copied the source from China.

[@Sir_Zombie1ted]

Normally, it is "Taikong" (太空), meaning "Space", then add "-naut" to it.

[@ninacohen5401]

Indeed a very slick and accurate dis. Flipping 'naut' into 'nought' with nought a pause. Reminds me of Letterkenny wordplay. 👏

[@hanfucolorful9656]

@@ninacohen5401 not sure what you mean, Samantha Cristoforetti, and some other European Space Agency astronauts are drilling their Chinese.

[@sunneinsplendour8459]

@@hanfucolorful9656 yeah. He took the Chinese word and used it to mock them. Genius.

[@michaelmorrison6540]

Some years ago, my brother-in-law took an expensive dress shirt to a dry cleaning business (in the USA) owned by a Chinese family. When he returned to pick it up, there was a large dark stain on the shirt. When he brought it to the attention of the owners, their response was: “The shirt was like that when you brought it in.” I have been told many times that “deny and deceive” mentality is common in Chinese culture. My brother-in-law actually took the matter to small claims court... and he won! He was not interested in the money. He was interested in getting the dry cleaners to take responsibility for ruining the shirt. A small but meaningful victory for people of honesty and integrity.

[@THE_ONLY_GOD]

Sadly a viet dry cleaner in sf bay area did something similar to a custom tailored suit jacket…probably did it on purpose because he was jealous of the suit I had

[@ratamahatta5306]

reminds me of one episode of family guy when peter tray taking his clothes from a chinese dry cleaning

[@yongbobe478]

Chinnese would never admit their mistake. Never.

[@mohinimao]

In India for same situation, dry cleaner will say sorry and we move on though frustrated😂

[@cafesociety8525]

That's just dry cleaners the world over.

[@holgerknechtet5307]

"We" have nothing to hide - "they" have everything to hide. That's one the differences between democracies and dictatorships. (at least when it comes to space missions) When I first visited the Kennedy Space Center in the US (I am from Germany) they showed every successfull and unsuccessfull manned and unmanned mission sent to space, it was really something. People knowingly sitting on bombs hoping they get safely out of the atmosphere into something that would also kill them if only minor mistakes happen is just crazy and admirable. Godspeed Travelers.

[@BobanMisevic]

You are still under illusion that you live in democracy?

[@thornekontos1560]

Is Ukraine a "Democracy"?

[@peterdisabella2156]

@@thornekontos1560 Yeah it might have some corruption issues but its still a democracy.

[@k.umquat8604]

The US also has things to hide.

[@rickjames18]

Yes, I am actually surprised they admitted the latest failure.

[@albertpeugh9367]

I have watched industrial espionage in public, in the middle of the day, with thousands of people around. At the Con-At Expo in Las Vegas (which is held every 3 years) I watched American, German, English and French companies chasing off (not running, just blocking them and insisting they leave) industrial spies from China while they walk up in broad day light and start taking measurements, taking tons of photos and videos, all while taking what ever flyers are available to the public, without so much as showing a hint of concern for the few hundred immediate show attendee’s that are helping the Mfgs try to protect their proprietary technology. I tried to help the best I could, without physically harming anyone, but these bastards are cold, calculated and ruthless. Eventually security came and they were removed from the show, but hours later team 2 entered and started where team 1 was stopped. It’s a nauseating feeling, and quite infuriating. I have to admit, the thought of becoming physical did cross my mind, but these devils aren’t worth going to jail for.

[@daryldaryl913]

Physical is the only thing they understand. They can not be asked they must be told with re- enforcement. Treat the CCP as they treat the Chinese Citizens.

[@rvarsigfusson6163]

once I heard about china making a wi-fi card and they even copy the manual with all the fails in it.... then later on the china put some extra chip on it just to spy on users.....

[@korinogaro]

Why would they not behave like this when the west was allowing it for decades just to get cheap wares. Just like we ignored genocide of minorities, rapes on minorities, sterilization of minorities, concentration camps for minorities. Constant breaking human rights, work conditions so severe that factories installed nets to catch roof jumpers. We ignored all of it for decades. Why would they not be bold enough to try and blatantly take measurments in a middle of the day with hundreds of witnesses when they were doing much worse with hundreds of millions of witnesses (indirect but still) that didn't react?

[@jason-qc5lr]

i hate my own country

[@asasas9146]

If our security measures are so pathetic, be deserve to be stolen from until be learn.

[@4TheRecord]

Thanks for putting the content out that you do regarding China. Lots of people still don't understand China, and your channel provides a way for people to understand what's really happening. Shared!

[@Aroncare]

Serpents only tell his side right wing mainstream narrative that China sucks, i dont know China but this guys narrative has some trouma, sponsored western view and I don't buy it.

[@1mol831]

China wasn’t in the space race to begin with. It barely left earth

[@AV036]

NON of them ever left "low Earth orbit as far as we go" according to Nasa. Unless you think Nasa is lying. Maybe your smarter than the monkeys at nasa eh?😂😭

[@alanrogs3990]

Why do you support the Ukraine?

[@tonysofla]

@@1mol831 Mars mission Tianwen-1 ring a bell?, that is way more than lower earth orbit.

[@aroguefox]

Well put; there is definitely a huge preoccupation of emphasizing optics over substance when it comes to both Russia and China

[@TechnoMinarchist]

That's what shame cultures get you.

[@kiddhkane]

Nah, not in Russia.

[@laran1708]

@@kiddhkane nah with russia too, remember that big scary high tech army.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I'd argue it’s the slogan of the modern world: Perception is Reality.

[@wozslater7695]

Maybe one day in the not too distant future radical Islamic Cessna Pilots from Xinjiang will demolish some Chinese skyscrapers too? Tee-Hee-Hee, optics over substance, Tee-Hee Hee-Hee-Hee...

[@thelcbond]

I have a feeling that what is partially driving China's progress in space is the low cost of human life. During the cold war the Soviets would often make sure that the crew actually made it back home before announcing a success.

[@tonysofla]

USA in 1969 knew the odds was 50/50 of death, willing to take it as to win the cold war. China is not willing to take those odds today, as no country is. China cares about the pride of Chinese life, that is the reason they have zero covid policy, as with a U.S rate they would had 2.4Million dead.

[@fatasssquirrel1731]

Yup, the Soviets had a real value for human life. 😂

[@NetraAmorosi]

@@fatasssquirrel1731 - About as much as the U.S. government with about 95% of all drone attack causalities being on innocent civilians not to mention the untold other civilian murders by military forces (with them even go as far at times as planting weapons on dead civs to justify their deaths which was a thing in Afganistan).

[@XkriskrossX]

@@fatasssquirrel1731 Outside of putting political dissidents into gulags and sanitariums for criticizing the State - In certain ways, yes. Soviet submarines had escape pods, strangely enough… but their reactors were poorly shielded. Big oof lol

[@Lazerviking1]

Vladimir Komarov would like a word with you…

[@Avalon_Pax]

2023-07 -- It is a common mistake to call it the "dark side of the moon". The moon is tidally locked with Earth (1 moon rotation for every trip around the Earth) so we only ever get to see the one side of it when we look up at the moon. The correct name is "far side of the moon" as it is lit by the sun half of the time and is not in perpetual darkness. When the moon is in its "new moon" phase the far side is lit up fully.

[@2amSpeedMerchant]

That's all heliocentric nonsense my friend. Research flat earth.

[@rk-is3cw]

I think ISRO - Indian Space Research Organization is much more better than Chinese Space Agency.

[@acceleratorda2172]

@@rk-is3cw yeah atleast ISRO doesn't list up fake achievements and have no bucket list of monopolizing moon for so-called "chinese" type research purposes🫠. Jokes apart but ISRO is inspirational tbh and the world can learn from the recent achievement of chandrayaan 3 on south pole.

[@rk-is3cw]

@@acceleratorda2172 Actually as an Indian, I am proud that ISRO did great achievement with very limited Budget.

[@Moonlightshadow-lq4fr]

Sir Patrick moore stated on several occasions that there was a dark side of the moon and because it's so dark no video or film footage of it! Which I always thought of as strange because as you rightly point out if the Moon is lit by the sun and is supposedly revolving around the earth then it will be lit by the sun all over equally. But why do they say the dark side of the moon? Pink Floyd even made an album of it and nobody has ever questioned the title?

[@PrincipalityofZeon]

It's easier to "win" the space race with CGI Soo much cheaper than live action shots

[@ffwast]

They heard that the moon landing was faked and figured they'd copy that idea too

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Sieg Zeon!

[@chris929rr7]

Yep that rocket taking off at the start off the video looks very suspect indeed.

[@teamdestinyph]

@Neal nasa always wins, hollywood basements can spare some render farms.

[@MK384]

This is no Zaku boy! No Zaku!

[@brooks-e8249]

I recently had the misfortune of working with a Chinese organization on some simple applications that program router machines. Not router networking, the old fashion router bits like drilling holes in wood. Anyway, it was an exercise in utter frustration. Whoever is under the impression that Chinese are brilliant or inventive in the least have been duped. This video is so spot on. They are copy cats and not even good ones. Now i have been seeing videos promoting their new aircraft manufacturing. You could not pay me enough to step foot on one of those bag of bolts.

[@paulrybarczyk5013]

While they may not be brilliant or inventive by nature individually, the Chinese people do tend to be very dedicated and cooperative, with a strong work ethic. So they tend to achieve amazing things together ... much like a colony of ants does.

[@brooks-e8249]

@@paulrybarczyk5013 Search for Chinese commercial airplane manufacturing. Watch the videos and read the comments. First of all the videos go from a proud "look what we did" tone to a defensive, even angry tone. That is the videos, it is not like they had a chance to read the feedback before they finished the video. They protests' too much. THEN, read the comments. They are laughable. And if you understand avionics at all, take a good look at the airframe design, and they instrumentation. They are 737 MAX airplanes. If you were going to pick a plane to copy, ask yourself, for PR reasons alone, why would you copy the MAX?

[@paulrybarczyk5013]

@@brooks-e8249 Designing and building airliners requires inventive brilliance, even if you have one to copy. So I'm not surprised at the results you described.

[@sinoroman]

Chinese tech is working, so still a huge milestone and cost-cutting method. Second mover advantage

[@brooks-e8249]

@@paulrybarczyk5013 I agree, but just like all high tech, the devil is in the details. It is one thing to follow a design plan, even if done to perfection, and yes you have to have brains to do so, but trouble shooting and redesigning issues that may become less than stellar is where the concerns are. If you were the one who made the plane, you will have a much better idea of the issues and where to deal with them. i used the MAX as an example for a reason, the knuckleheads at Boeing used a software solution to override an issue that could be caused by a pilot if the AOA was too steep because the engines had to be set so far forward, it was a nightmare, people died, and that was horrific, no excuses, but what if they did not have any clue why the plane was pitching forward? This would have been an exponentially bigger problem.

[@andrewdoesyt7787]

As someone who has been a space enthusiast for a long time, I can name 4 separate American private companies that make more advanced rockets than the Chinese space program.

[@remo27]

And you can name exactly ONE that has the resources and track record to show it can COMPETE with the Chinese Space Program. That company is Space X, which, if Starship works, will have officially eclipsed every country and Space Program in the world. Name the others, and I'll knock them down. Blue Origin for instance, is so far behind on all its promises as to be a joke: founded two years before Space X it has yet to actually reach orbit and pictures of New Glenn are rather scarce. And it has one of the richest men on the planet funding it, so that is not the problem. I love Rocketlab, but they are only now working on a small intermediate power rocket and still haven't finished their initial reuse research. In short, I think you are talking out of your ass.

[@andrewdoesyt7787]

@@remo27 Why did you just skip over ULA? That company makes some of the biggest, most reliable, rockets of all time, with the Atlas V being a reliable, very frequently used, heavy launch vehicle, and the Delta IV one of the most powerful and reliable rockets to date, plus with the coming up Vulcan centaur which has not yet launched. SpaceX does not compete with the Chinese space program, they completely blow the Chinese space program out of the water in just about every way when it comes to rockets. Rocket lab is not just “experimenting” with reusability, they have already successfully reused the first stage, and already have had multiple low cost non-reused launches. That does not to include the future plans for Neutron, a mostly reusable heavy launcher. Another company, Virgin orbit (not virgin galactic) has already has several successful trips to orbit at a very low cost. 3 more companies, Firefly, Relativity space, and Astra, however, these company’s are almost at successful launch and reuse, not quite. So yea, maybe not 4 companies that beat the Chinese space program, but nearly.

[@remo27]

@@andrewdoesyt7787 Anyway, while I am happy that so many small launch providers seem like they might succeed at this or that , the key word is SMALL. Like the US governments real ambitions in space (small and very constrained for 50 years now if you base it on actual funding rather than speeches and always years in the future NASA promises) these are not yet ...and may never be... serious competitors to anyone. China says it plans big things in space and so far DOES seem to be putting effort and money where its mouth is. IF the US wasn't full of corrupted congress critters who tend to use NASA as a jobs program and to distribute largess to various states and contractors we perhaps would utilize our private companies more and overly expensive and pork ridden rockets to nowhere like the SLS wouldn't be built, and then the Chinese would be way behind us. We could have used modified Falcon Heavy's 3 or 4 years ago and landed a person on the moon and began the process of constructing a base. Ask yourself why Congress didn't go down THAT path?

[@remo27]

@@andrewdoesyt7787 ULA isn't a threat and its accomplishments mostly amount to overpriced non-reusable rockets funded by the US Government and based on the same old technology as every other company for fifty years until Space X began shaking things up. It's in short, a US Government crony corporation that for years had a monopoly on US launches but couldn't compete in the world market and was made up of two legacy defense contractors space divisions, neither of which seems very ambitious when it comes to space. There's a reason they consolidated and it was partly because they didn't believe they could make big money in the Space Biz but they could make some guaranteed quid if they had a Govt monopoly on our launches.If it wasn't for Bruno it would have no credibility at all. Delta IV is being retired soon. They have a total of 3 or 4 rockets for the remaining missions and plan to build no more. Vulcan is reliant on BLUE ORIGIN for its engine, an engine that has been delayed for multiple years already. I like the ACES upper stage (IF they ever do it) and the rocket is dipping its toe into reuse with an engine they plan to catch with a helicopter, but thats still n ot enough to catch up to Space X, and they are already way behind schedule with that rocket.

[@andrewdoesyt7787]

@@remo27 Yet, ULA still makes bigger and higher payload rockets than any Chinese rocket, I don’t really know how much Chinese rockets cost because their isn’t much information on it, but they also are non-reusable, plus no ULA rockets crash into villages. And by the way while yes, the Vulcan engines will be from blue origin, they will be reused after being caught from the air, which will greatly reduce cost. the body won’t be reused though. Anyways, I don’t think the Falcon Heavy by itself can take people to the moon, it’s not big and powerful enough, the Saturn V was much bigger and more powerful. And one of my biggest points are, the Chinese rockets are not reusable nor have a very high payload, China’s most powerful rocket, the CZ-5B has a equal payload to the falcon 9 single booster, and it’s also not reusable, and if they falcon 9 expended the booster, it would be like double.

[@UkraineRussiaWar000]

Keep up the good work mate. You are doing a great job. Excellent presentation.

[@charleswomack2166]

Back when I was in the US Army, they forced us to navigate using a compass and paper map. It made me appreciate GPS! And I would not be surprised if the Chinese were to pull out some obscure drawing with the moon and earth and try to use it to claim that the Moon was always part of China!

[@jimness5902]

They think it's made of cheese another food source LOL. I know Chinese don't eat cheese all that much at least my adopted asian family doesn't I married a woman from Taiwan born in Huan China

[@KevinSmith-os5yz]

Of course it's part of china, it's in their sky almost every night, that makes it theirs, right?:)

[@George-xb5ey]

Asians cant handle lactose well

[@chemech]

I remember teaching a handful of 11Bs how to orient their map with my Boy Scout compass while doing field testing at Hohenhels in 1992... as a civilian contractor... The E3s and E4s hadn't been taught, and the retired E8 who was the DOD civilian rep didn't know, and was placing entirely too much reliance on a wonky GPS receiver that could be off by up to 100m, depending on the number of satellites overhead. (1992 GPS tech wasn't all that great, and the constellation of satellites wasn't complete at the time) Some days, I'd have a former Cav scout assigned to the crew, and he was pretty good with map & compass skills. The Army is *supposed* to teach LANDNAV (mostly map & compass), but sometimes they fall a little short

[@jonson856]

@@jimness5902 tofu

[@dylangtech]

You hit a lot of major points, and you had a lot of legitimate questions. Both of these are answered by one thing that's missing: China's EXTREME lack of safety. You see, the Chinese National Space Agency (CNSA), much like the rest of the regime, does not care about the lives of their people, and cares less for the people of developing countries. Of course not their Taikonauts, since that would look bad. But they take so many shortcuts, people have gotten hurt, and likely KILLED by falling Chinese rockets. As I type, the US Space Force is keeping an eye on a Long March 5 booster that China didn't put a deboost system on (every other country does). The official reason this happens have changed from "It's not out of control, stop fearmongering." to "It's fine! It'll most likely crash into the ocean anyway, not people's houses!". Sounds bad enough, except BOOSTERS HAVE crashed into people's homes before. Notably a school within China had a booster fall onto it and explode. The remaining fuel created it's own "agent orange" plume of toxic gas the kids had to flee from (class was in session). I believe in the good ofspace programs, and I believe that militarization/ownership of space is inevitable as resources are contested (the USA and China both want to set up a base at Shakleton Crater for water ice only found there. "Water is the oil of space" as we say). But the reason you go to space has to be for the benefit of ordinary people in the ground. Your employees should get paid and the resources you sell in abundance can help the world (Rare Earth elements are more plentiful on the surface of the Moon due to no volcanism). But China does not go to space for development. Developing countries have you... you know... BE DEVELOPING. China is a horrible country that could easily support its people, even with space. But the regime chooses not to.

[@enoch4392]

the reason is that it is communist, but it will fall just like any other tyranny in history... well hopefully. hopefully the people don't stay ignorant forever and never revolt

[@user-rp4qc7yh9g]

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[@user-rp4qc7yh9g]

China is the most backward country in the world. We should worry about Endia's technology. Endia is the smartest in the world!

[@sinoroman]

If it works it works. China is making it work

[@jeffbenton6183]

This is a big deal among American policymakers when it comes to the whole stealing-technology thing. US-PRC space cooperation mostly ended in the early 2000s* following a certain incident. Most Chinese orbital rockets (and all at the time) are based on obsolete Soviet ICBM technology and use the highly toxic UDMH fuel as the *main propellent* for their first stages**. Basically, what happened is that a rocket veered off course and exploded near the launchpad and American investigators had to scour the site seeking sensitive components (because there wasn't a Chinese launch center at the time launching over the Ocean). Unfortunately, they didn't have any PPE on hand, so their eyeballs bulged out in the process. (I'm pretty sure the injuries were temporary, but they must've been painful). That incident, by the way, killed at least half a dozen Chinese citizens (probably more). *Except impromptu joint ops by space probes that happen to be going the same place but weren't necessarily planned to do so. Also, it's my understanding that NASA's LRO and MRO moon and mars satellites played a significant role it the selection for CNSA's landing site selection for their landers and rovers. **nearly all spacecraft use hydrazine for maneuvering thrusters, but it's extremely uncommon as a principle propellent in the rockets themselves, only Russia's ancient Proton rocket does that outside of China.

[@ScottishRebel]

"without GPS the PLA might not know what direction taiwan is in" bruh this had me rolling.

[@mobilegamersunite]

The girl singing the song 🎵 😂😅😂

[@johnxina987]

Wonder when China is going to claim the moon as always have been a part of China since ancient times.

[@nat3816]

Yes China already have a lady up there on the moon! Her name is chang er… 🤣

[@rburns9730]

They'll say they found Wan Hu in his rocket chair.

[@MrJdsenior]

The biggest "ancient Chinese secret" of all. (You may be too young).

[@goodviewfromuphere120]

Excellent presentation, Winston. We are definitely in agreement about the validity of China's claim to be a developing nation, its rapacious exploitation of natural resources and its claim to international waters,

[@arnehofoss9109]

From "up there" i would think you can watch what what the US claims are? And what they do about them?

[@richardcarroll9864]

Taiwan is a part of china get over it.

[@redstoneddad3981]

@@arnehofoss9109 this makes no sense, can you elaborate?

[@ffwast]

@@redstoneddad3981 the commenter's display name he's replying to is "good view from up here"

[@redstoneddad3981]

@@ffwast oh gotcha, ty 😊

[@sigma2.093]

The CCP definitely took "fake it till you make it" to heart. Good episode, Winston -that senseless Chinese rap cracked me up ...and if any extraterrestrial life picked that up, it's no wonder they never attempted to make first contact.

[@commentfreely5443]

“Thus says the Lord: ‘Cursed be the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord’” (Jeremiah 17:5).

[@sinoroman]

yeah, China is doing excellent. 🇨🇳

[@bloopahVIII]

@@commentfreely5443 exodus 29:7 2) cover yourself in oil

[@theredscourge]

@@bloopahVIII hey man, covering yourself in oil is a huge flex on the poors, what with oil prices as high as they are right now I mean this totally ignores how this was a legitimate ancient hygiene practice that worked, but you also ignored that when you referenced it

[@punjabipower904]

Made in China hardly lasts

[@dichebach]

Excellent commentary!

[@theaveragejoe5781]

Haha, always have to chuckle at the fun elements you put in these. "Spatial house, spatial cup,..." 🤣

[@smartmonkey777]

How come every thing from china looks and feels "cheap", their rockets look "cheap", and the material their space suits looks "cheap"..

[@dinil5566]

Not a china fan. But I don't really think those things are "cheap"and "looks cheap". They just looks like space suits. And almost all the expensive stuffs are also mostly made in china these days. They produce both cheap stuffs and expensive stuffs.

[@peiershen8221]

Sir Sir, Thats just a matter of perspective. TO china it's "Close Enough"

[@stevenmoomey2115]

@@dinil5566 Did you see the Boots? Some Farmers are missing their Muck Boots.

[@gsrcrxsi]

We absolutely do have satellites orbiting the moon. Including the dark side. LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) has been orbiting the moon for over 10 years and continues to map it and make observations.

[@WhatIfTrayvonMartinHadAGun]

he isn't a journalist, this channel is for fear-mongering, lol... too many facts would just get in the way

[@gsrcrxsi]

@@WhatIfTrayvonMartinHadAGun to be fair. The correction is more of a technicality. While we do have LRO there. It has a maximum resolution of 1 meter, and China’s Chang’e rovers are about that size. So it can’t get a good look at what they’re doing anyway. It can barely make out the remnants of our old Apollo sites. So the idea that we can’t really see what the Chinese missions are doing is practically still true. At least as far as the information that’s public and unclassified

[@takeitsleezy4520]

Is that what recorded that rocket that hit the moon recently?

[@markuswx1322]

@@gsrcrxsi Excellent point, and the reason for not being complacent about what the Chinese are doing, both down here and up there.

[@Medley3000]

Even the term 'dark side of the moon' is wrong. Of course, the sun shines there, too. Therefore, one should always speak of the back side of the moon.

[@nightvigil]

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbitor has been in orbit around the moon for many years. It most recently spotted the crash site of the Japanese lander. The rest I agree with.

[@MrDariolett]

Orbiter not orbitor.

[@RockinRobbins13]

The fact remains that the LRO can monitor Chinese landings on the far (not dark) side of the Moon. It's silly to think that the Chinese can do anything they want there without being seen.

[@calebmurphy7343]

Winston you played off that line about Taiwan and Hainan island just perfectly, well done Sir! That made me smile. Thank you for the great content, very informative and important to illuminate the issue and the danger of the CCP.

[@Zimtanbau]

The boats and snipers on hainan resort are So annoying

[@sinoroman]

Communist Party of China

[@fearthehoneybadger]

Two space telescopes China just launched into orbit and I bet they are aimed at the Earth.

[@karmaisntreal]

It's same for USA too, difference is they did it years ago

[@2hotflavored666]

@@karmaisntreal Yep, it's also aimed at the USA.

[@m007mm]

I'm going outside right now and show them THE FINGER 🖕🏻

[@XKS99]

Hopefully.

[@XKS99]

@@2hotflavored666 Good.

[@T4RHUN]

China is like an irredeemable anime villain with a sad backstory.

[@tommymarco]

lol !

[@Legitpenguins99]

Sure, zoomer

[@kevinkravchenko4655]

so proud to say i found your site! greatly appreciate 4he delivery of information and the amount in all of your videos. KUDOS

[@wakannnai1]

Just need to point out that US military aircraft and military vehicles would actually not be affected by GPS going down. Most US military vehicles use inertial reference guidance systems (and have done so for over a decade at this point). While shutting down beidou satellites would have a massive impact on Chinese capabilities, it would have almost zero impact on US capabilities.

[@triadwarfare]

GPS is used for calibration as the inertial guidance can sometimes drift off course. But redundant systems help keep things working even if the other's jammed.

[@wakannnai1]

@@triadwarfare Yeah but they actually don't need it. It would have a very slight error at best. While the additional accuracy would be nice it's by no means necessary. People I'm very close to worked on these systems at Northrup Grumman for the Black Hawk helicopter back in 2001-2003. I'd assume by now they're widespread throughout the military at this point. The military was always worried precisely about GPS going down and navigation needed to be reliable even without GPS. It's nice to have a backup, but GPS is mostly a redundant navigation method for navigation systems. Losing a meter or two of accuracy is probably the worst that could happen by taking GPS offline.

[@iivin4233]

Several examples of rocket programs to put the CCP's achievements into context: The DPRK can't even feed it's people but it has a nuclear ballistic missile. India has apparently been running a successful space program on a fantastically small budget for at least as long as China. Japan ran a successful space program for decades using unguided rockets, not because they could not develop guidance but because they chose to ban non-defensive weapons in their constitution and so chose to develop rockets that could not be turned into ICBMs. That's a space program with a conscience. What a novel idea. So basically a working space program is an achievement but it is not like the discovery of fire: it is not automatically related to human development. It's also not a sign of cultural superiority. Repulsive and respectful, middling and powerful, peaceful and bellicose nations have all been to space.

[@davidcanatella4279]

China lifted 300 million people out of poverty. All I see in America is our corporate government working on putting 300 million people in poverty

[@ootdega]

From what I've heard of North Korea's missiles, they are not capable of doing anything useful. They exist simply to threaten Japan with them once a week. North Korea _can_ afford to feed its people. It just doesn't. It instead spends the national budget on ICBMs that can't go anywhere, enormous mega-hotels covered in LED screens that never get finished, disgustingly expensive farming initiatives that fail miserably from horrendous management (but blame it on the farmers, and execute them for not meeting quota when their harvests are all stolen in transit by corrupt officials), and surreal, fantastical utopian cities where absolutely nobody lives. Nearly all food in North Korea is imported. Most family homes have their own vegetable gardens in order to not starve. Modern North Korea makes the Soviet Union look like the Garden of Eden. But at least they don't have dystopian re-education camps and forced sterilization, or turn into a rabid lynch mob when someone acknowledges the existence of South Korea.

[@Kelnx]

To be fair, the DPRK's rockets tend to explode before really getting anywhere, and it is still very much in doubt that they've managed to miniaturize a nuclear warhead to fit, much less actually work.

[@usedtoberyanpoopnownormal8822]

Not disagreeing but could you list the 4 other examples?

[@iivin4233]

@@usedtoberyanpoopnownormal8822 Speaking from a post-WWII context and being incredibly reductive, DPRK: Repulsive Japan: Peaceful India: Middling (economically, for a long time) USA/USSR: Bellicose DPRK: Bellicose CCP: Bellicose EU: ... Respectful?

[@richardtownsends3187]

Well presented and spot on. I was in China in 1979 when it was opened to the oil companies. I know first hand how they copied and forced oil companies to transfer technolgy.

[@paxwallace8324]

I've stumbled across your videos for years. I have a Danish colleague who'd been treated very well in China. We've discussed the subject at length. He is a phenomenal drummer. He married a Chinese woman and had a brilliant son with her. So I however as an American with a Chinese/Indonesian mom I grew up in America and never really trusted the People's Republic anymore than I do the American Corporate Oligarchy. I however have finally decided that you're at service to some other agenda besides objectivity here.

[@junyin5950]

Americans are fighting wars everywhere, invading others, stealing oil from Syria and Iraq, and building military bases everywhere. Treating Africans like slaves. Americans are really bad

[@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe]

"Nothing China does is for the betterment of mankind" - mic drop.. we're done here.

[@punjabipower904]

Nothing more to expect from a communist dictatorship

[@stevemonkey6666]

CCP PROPAGANDA. "in the 16th century a Chinese fisherman landed on the moon. The moon belongs to China." I'm willing to bet that this is not really a joke....😔

[@StudioNama]

Y'know it says a lot, a LOT, when American astronauts and space technicians would rather work with the Russians more than you. The ISS is like the only place where those two countries can get along.

[@artgoddess80]

Just announced yesterday - Russia says it will withdraw from the International Space Station (ISS) after 2024 and build its own station instead.

[@StudioNama]

@@artgoddess80 yeah I'm aware my statement is now past-tense, but that's still a solid 30 years between the fall of the USSR and now, so... it's the thought that counts?

[@driftingdruid]

@@StudioNama they might come back to the ISS either when Putin realizes he's being manipulated by CCP into fighting a war of attrition _(CCP pitting its perceived foreign enemies against each other while feigning alliance to one of them, so they don't have to fight all of them at once)_ , or when the dictatorship in Russia ends

[@alqaeda7040]

NASA should ask SpaceX to construct new ISS

[@gug1970]

Their spacewalk was the most obvious fake space video i'd even seen... but then, i wasn't the target audience.

[@baseupp12]

Hey serpentza I was wondering if you would do more videos on South Africa, we Americans don't really hear about how dangerous it is over there, has it gotten better or worse in recent years?

[@witsend008]

Lets just say South Africa has become a lot closer to Africa ...

[@BudSchnelker]

It's Rhodesia 2.0

[@bradley8575]

Yeah we have some crime issues in our big inner cities just like everywhere but most places in the US are Safe.

[@luciano2lucky600]

honestly thats up to how well youve researched into your tour guide and how to act when being there.

[@tonysofla]

@@bradley8575 USA have an average homicide rate of 6.5/100K even in what you call safer areas like Alaska. China has a low rate of 0.5/100K

[@12Prophet]

This "modernization" attempt isn't necessarily a bad thing on the surface. Japan did do this as well.. At one point there were even calls among the Japanese public to replace Japanese (the language) with English as the national language. They were enamored by the huge tech difference between the west and east. To put this in perspective, the samurai were still around only a few generations ago. Like within the past 200 years. Japan saw America swoop in and impose very one-sided trade deals with China, and they took that as a wake up call. Because at the time, Japan looked to China in a similar light as western nations look to ancient Rome or the HRE. Powerful long lasting empires. So to see who they looked up to be brought to it's knees is both a good and bad thing. It led to Japan very very swiftly modernizing it's military, going to war with Russia (and winning). They did a surprise attack on a port, fought the Russians, and took many islands and parts of China and Korea. Then they tried the same trick again, Pearl Harbor... didn't work that time. Point of all this, is that it's not necessarily a bad thing that China wants to modernize, but it's certainly something to be focused on. Lest it get drunk on success and be filled with hubris. Edit: Also want to point out that Japan pulled itself out of it's tech lag on it's own. It wasn't pampered and spoon-fed under the guise of a "developing" nation to catch up and surpass it's neighbors. By the end of WW2, they were semi on par with the west. Much changed afterward, but up til that point, Japan didn't need it's hand held by the rest of the world. I just think the CCP are doing China a disservice by not only accepting these handouts, but practically begging for them and squandering the generosity. It's sly, it's ingenious don't get me wrong... But it's also doomed to fail. They should learn from Japan not to keep using the same old tricks. It'll only lead to a bad outcome.

[@chriscutress1702]

Japan had learned from what had happened between the US and China. When they signed the trade agreements instead of buying directly from the West they made deals to manufacture the goods under license from the Western companies thus empowering their own population and developing their own technical base to not only copy but to (in certain aspects) surpass the original technologies. That's how they became powerful enough to become a World Power in such a short time. With China they have slowly been regaining their previous World Power position but their economy is in danger of self destructing due to over stimulation without the structure to maintain long term growth. And China is not without rampant political corruption at the highest levels of their system. Keep in mind the long history of China and that the political revolutions historically came from the lower classes when the corruption of the governing powers became intolerable.

[@FirstLastOne]

Comparing China to Japan is amusing at best. China would need to get rid of the CCP first, FULL STOP. Then China may, in five or so decades, come close to where the Japanese were in 1960. Copying others and stealing their IP and hard work isn't going to make China like Japan. Japan didn't copy, they took something and refined it to the point of perfection. The Japanese aren't perfect especially with their shoganai mentality but they are still at least 100 years ahead of current China. The Japanese government doesn't need to tell its citizens how to behave when they travel abroad as tourists, China does and that's embarrassing to China and civilized Chinese around the world.

[@merlinbotha363]

China doesn't want to modernize, the CCP wants to appear modern. Massive difference

[@12Prophet]

@@chriscutress1702 Eloquently put. I know I didn't include a great deal of details with the analogy of Japan, (honestly too much to cover for a short youtube comment) At least we can be sure that the future is likely going to get interesting. Here's to hoping mistakes will be learned this go around.

[@hx3060]

So much nonsense, short to respond. Japan is not a "successful" country, as a little brother of the US, it lacks full autonomy economically, militarily and politically. In fact, the JPN economy was brought down by US in the 1990s, as the "Plaza Agreement" was signed before. And now Japan's economy... as an export country, Japan even has a trade deficit now, which is the biggest tragedy for it. Japan will have a lower sense of existence in the world in the future, its highlight moment is in the second half of the 20th century~

[@MrPallingo]

Speaking of knock-offs, a man in Seattle invented a clever water toy, which was imperfect and difficult to completely enjoy. Some buyers got a kick out of it despite its shortcomings. Soon after, he had to warn potential buyers of the knock-offs being marketed in the U.S. Chinese copies of a hard-to-work water toy made without regard to performance and patent rights.

[@animejanai4657]

The chinese also watch those online "go fund me" type projects and steal the ideas from them, patent them up, and take over the market with their knock offs of the clever idea that got steamrolled by the chinese patent and copyright pirates.

[@King_Flippy_Nips]

its a relatively common occurrence for people to discover cheap chinese knockoffs of things they have invented being sold online or in stores in the US and the only thing they can do is contact the US distributor and get them to stop selling them, but another distributor can pick up where the other one left off and sell them as well until they are ordered to stop doing so, its even likely the same people would just register a new company under a different name and do it again, but beyond that china will not enforce anything and its likely that the CCP is involved

[@ThePWNDR]

Chinese companies couldn’t care less.

[@michaelregan3914]

Thank you Winston for another timely, very informative video! Please keep making more videos!

[@migueldecarvalho8012]

In my opinion, a country with nuclear weapons should not be able to get aid due to being a developing country. It sooner got nukes than developed its economy? Tough!

[@Maitray28]

I counter argue that a developing country should focus on their poor people rather than their space system. Because it stops any developing country from any space industry. Because even developed nations have poor people just like developing nations.

[@carlossouzaamorim]

I'm from Brazil and really mad about the disregard for our space program. Having to rely on other nations to launch our satellites is a high risk for soberany.

[@ArizVern]

RETIRED, 79, FREEDOM, USAF, VFW. YOU TALK WITH HEAVY WORDS, LIKE YOUR VIDEOS.

[@psyberking]

That China "lost the space race" is news to me: I never knew that they were even in contention. Hadn't they always been playing catch up with the West? The real "space race" was between the US and Soviet Union back in the day, and that's mostly water under the bridge. If and when China manages to close the gap in space tech with those countries, then maybe we will have another real space race.

[@hjohnhome1417]

wake up and smell the rose

[@kanlu5199]

Come back after China finished the Chinese Space Station: TianGong

[@psyberking]

@@kanlu5199 Let me make my point clearer, as I was writing in an ironic style. China does not see itself as being in a "race" in space - it is just quietly building up its capabilities in this area (India is doing the same). It is the US and Western propaganda that sees any peer or near peer competitor as being in a "race" for world domination.

[@kanlu5199]

@@psyberking I would say the west process with expensive sports cars, while China process with high-speed trains. Two parties have different sets of rules so the two are not directly racing. And running faster doesn't guarantee running further.

[@hjohnhome1417]

@@faithfullunaa your ashes?

[@davidskeeterskeeter1835]

ALL business dealings I have ever endured with Chinese people have ALWAYS ended badly,!

[@Shadowwalker1717]

Why for the most time?

[@GasPipeJimmy]

@@Shadowwalker1717 I’m answering for only myself, but my experience has been that they are not competent in the projects they join in upon, they are pathological liars and are wildly unprepared (incompetence again) combined with lying about their actual experience and capabilities. They will also lie about being Taiwanese, or “being from” Taiwan. Utterly untrustworthy in every way imaginable, as well as delivering an inferior product that doesn’t meet the agreed upon specifications.

[@RockySmithsen]

Apparently the dark side of the moon would be several times harder to colonize than the light side because of unstable ionization that would make the dust almost permanently stick to your equipment and ruining it over time. Also the static charge is much higher and so you would never know when something would cause a deadly shock. I don’t know why exactly but I know the channel ‘Astrum’ talked about it. So honestly if they manage to colonize the dark side, part of once to say they honestly deserve to keep it bc that would be the greatest scientific achievement in a very long time

[@スガル]

Not to mention that the dark side of the moon get hit by meteorite every second, microscopic to macroscopic

[@theorangeheadedfella]

@@スガル wouldnt all the moon be getting hit

[@sethydeathy]

on top of keeping people on the moon would be a logistic nightmare.

[@tomtricks6838]

kind of ironic how china want the dark side and the west want the light u know what i mean lol

[@theInsaneRodent]

You probably mean the far side of the moon, not the dark side. There is no dark side of the moon. The days on the moon may be 28 earth days long or something, but it does rotate slowly. It does always have the same side towards the earth, so there is a far side that we can't see, but that side gets just as much light as any other part of the moon.

[@nickgeorgie1957]

For your information: the suffix “naut” comes from the Greek “ναύτης” - “naftis” meaning “sailor”.

[@renaudfilippi2599]

Yep like the argonauts

[@SpicyTexan64]

You completely missed the pun

[@pflernak]

5:35 The question that haunts my head is "Was there some kind of secret part to the mission?"

[@WasatchWind]

If there was, I can't imagine it will do a great deal to harm us. To really use the Moon for a useful military purpose, you'd need the ability to fire nuclear warheads from the Moon using a railgun. This is something that is far beyond their current capabilities in terms ot payload to the Lunar surface.

[@InfiniteMonkeysSA]

Of course there was. The US does the same thing all the time, though. Sending up military payloads secretly or alongside civilian ones.

[@WasatchWind]

@@InfiniteMonkeysSA I wouldn't say _all_ the time. Occasionally there is a secret payload, but because civilians can track it, we know when one is snuck on a normal mission. Then there's stuff like the X-37 spaceplane, where we don't know all the details of its mission, but it's very obviously meant for military purposes.

[@Joe-mz6dc]

@Wasatch Wind most of the shuttle flights were military.

[@MVargic]

NASA Lunar Reconaissance orbiter can observe literally any part of the Moon, visible or hidden side, doesnt matter. Additionally, Moon is a dead space rock, exploitation of its resources should be encouraged and welcomed as it can help us to become more independent from Earth's resources and allow us to build space stations and colonies from lunar resources that would be absurdly easier to lift into orbit. If China was able to build an actual lunar colony that could mine and process ores, it would be its greatest historical achievement by a wide margin, and you would not hear about anything else, it would be constant front page news. However, China's current space capabilities are comparable to Soviet space capabilities in the 1970s, if anyone manages to build a Moon base it will be a joint NASA and ESA project with SpaceX reusable superheavy lift rockets.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

A lot of that argument could apply to India as well. It gets bailed out with money yet has a space program whilst people starve

[@WasatchWind]

I am not well versed in the economics of ISRO, but with the US at least, I think the majority of Americans grossly overestimate the cost of the space program (approx $30 in taxes a year) and vastly underestimate the return that comes to the public in technological development and valuable scientific research (such as cancer research on the ISS.) ISRO appears to be making efforts to privatize more of their spaceflight activities, which as the US will likely decrease costs. I think all spaceflight programs could do much to trim fat in running more efficiently, but I think that ISRO should not be cut when there are in all probability a great many places of less useful spending in their government.

[@bruhaspati560]

Do you even know tha annual budget of ISRO?

[@appurav7156]

atleast look at budget before commenting isro has funding of 1.8 billion whereas nasa has 20b ,china has 8b budget.. india dont have food shoratge or something like that india produce enough food its just that it is not properly channelised

[@dinil5566]

Just because you are not Jeff bezos, doesn't mean you can't have nice food everyday. We don't want our brilliant people to move abroad and join NASA. There are still poverty in USA but NASA still sends rockets. I don't really get the logic when a 3rd word country tries to develop their technology, people like you says we need to invest that money to solve poverty when except a few northern European countries and very few rich middle eastern countries every other countries out there still suffering from it.

[@timothyblazer1749]

India's space program is the cheapest of its type in the world. And it's been scaled back recently because of the very concerns you're raising. They are amazing at getting payloads into orbit on a shoestring budget. They are breaking new ground in the use of solid rocket technology. China, on the other hand, doesn't care at all about starving people to fund it's projects. It's projects are never contributory to the world. And they universally have a hostile intent towards the international community. So no, they aren't even in the same room. India's program is amazing. China's is complete BS.

[@capoeirastronaut]

They have a space program for the same reason USSR & USA did - to develop ICBMs that can drop anywhere. The real reason the USA spent up to 4% of the entire federal budget on Apollo, was fear of Soviet missiles in bunkers on the moon.

[@avi8r66]

Yep, China has been speedrunning the events of the cold war for the last 20 years. Beefing up their navy, building up a space program (using bought and/or stolen tech), and challenging the borders of neighbors. It's incredibly unproductive for all concerned including China.

[@thornekontos1560]

Americans were never very bright...

[@Hedgehobbit]

Apollo used an entirely different tech from ICBMs. ICBMs use solid rocket fuel.

[@HamburgerHelperDeath]

Apollo led to the speeding up of the miniaturization of computers by at least 10+ years, leading to smaller home computers, laptops, portables etc.

[@blintzkreig1638]

No, not on the moon, missile platforms in space. It would take many hours for a missile, launched from the moon to reach earth, plus incredibly expensive, and impossible to maintain.

[@appallokelley3207]

I love your videos so damn much , the content , the accent , the video editing, it’s just great quality content. I appreciate your hard work.

[@shivamvishnu5539]

Certainly we need to be wary of chinese motivations. But speaking from India's experience, the indian space program has been immensely beneficial for Indians. We could finally start broadcast and telephony communications across the entire poorly connected countryside, predict and prepare for weather patterns such as monsoons, cyclones, pollution, monitor and estimate forest cover, soil conditions to aid agriculture. All of this on a shoestring budget of less than a hollywood movie. Ofcourse some of the tech that was pioneered such as rocket engines, materials and guidance electronics could and were used for military purposes too. IMHO, the benefits of a space program by poor developing countries such as India,China far outweigh the potential downsides. This continues to be true for India even when we may not have enough to feed and clothe the population. This is how tech is - it unlocks all kinds of potential lots of good and some not-so-good.

[@es68951]

Except a CCP space program will never be used for the good of China, only the good of the CCP

[@zeist3064]

The difference is, China is spending money on costly vanity projects like a manned space station, they're not just sending up unmanned satellites to monitor climate and terrain.

[@jonson856]

The difference is, China is on a war path. India is not. The good of the people is not the priority of the CCP.

[@MasterOfHalo25]

@@jonson856 India is on more of a warpath than china. You don't know what you're talking about.

[@kukulroukul4698]

The difference is... India is honest(as much as honesty is possible) , China is not ! The best thing about India is that india doesnt sell us CRA*Y quality peripherics and gadgets , STEALING our money in a BIG WAY . Very wise about India . Theres also a saying in the romanian culture: ''You attract uppon yourself chain of events/attitudes/and FAITH that mirrors your inner soul '' The problem with China is their SOUL

[@bachmannjbrad]

Hell yeah @serpentza that was awesome bro thank you for the incredible work you do bringing forth the truth, not just Americans but the world needs to know. Keep up the good work and you stay awesome bro. 👊

[@burnzy3210]

i had no idea china was receiving foreign aid, that's absolutely insane!

[@margaretclarke3643]

So WHY are they receiving foreign aid? AND do they give an account of their spending of it?

[@Kunfucious577]

I find it a little weird that a “developing” country is going around the world and help with other developing countries infrastructure.

[@Rh0mbus]

We do have a satellite in a polar orbit around the moon called LRO that is literally for mapping the moon. We could see it on the far side with it.

[@joeybacker8429]

So you saw it?

[@dylannymer1003]

Sure you do.

[@WasatchWind]

@@dylannymer1003 You can believe in whatever conspiracies you want, it ain't going to change reality.

[@peiershen8221]

@@dylannymer1003 I find that you can never underestimate the U.S intelligence Complex's addiction to sneak spy cameras into places that you think they won't be there.

[@fixpacifica]

I thought we had satellites orbiting the moon, too.

[@Scott11078]

The Captian of my second ship was damn good. He forbade using GPS for plotting course, general navigation. We had to do it old school, quickly and accurately. He did allow us to use GPS but only as a check to our work.

[@davidoneill7554]

That rules. He knows that if GPS ever fails for any reason (during war or peace time), the people who know how to navigate with maps and compasses will rule the seas (and the land?).

[@staylor4357]

This was great. I love your reactions and detailed explanations.

[@antikokalis]

How so? I saw it all and he never says how they just lost the space race.. It's a disgusting clickbait

[@IvanOoze1990]

China brags about debuting their own Graphics card that performs as well as a 15 year old Nvidia GTX after stealing and reverse engineering Nvidia Gpu's, It's sad.

[@chavezchavo]

I've always thought Taiko simply means "big brother" in Cantonese. Maybe it was intended as they want to establish themselves as a "big brother" of the world.

[@greebj]

FTFY: Not "a". THE Big Brother of the world.

[@StanfromPoland]

Very insightful video. As most of the things the CCP does, the whole space sector looks like just a huge Potemkin village.

[@gildedpeahen876]

Exactly. I noticed that before I really got into learning about the CCP thru serpenza, laowhy, and china uncensored. I was unaware of the reasons *why* it looked fake, and why China would be incentivized to fake it; yet I was uncomfortable with the claims being made-with the “proof” being computer generated images, indiscernible from a program modeling these missions. My b*llshit-dar was pinging.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

I was legit disappointed China didn't put a giant "Made in China" sticker on the moon with their moon landing program.

[@animejanai4657]

They put in a claim for land and fishing rights to the arctic. Currently, the arctic land belongs to countries that border the geographic (not magnetic) north pole such as Russia, Norway, Canada, USA, Denmark/Greenland, etc. But China claims it's country is near the north pole and therefore has the right to claim land there even though it is clear which countries' borders go right up to the north pole.

[@vitocorleone8323]

Yeah well I'm more concerned at them threatening to show us Chinese "manners" than their space intentions. 13:11

[@lamarmercedes6153]

I love your programs. You are awesome. From a HongKonger.

[@SilvanaDil]

Fun fact: The USA had nuclear powered carriers and subs before China even tested a simple nuclear bomb.

[@benediktassciucka9777]

To be fair, There is some footage from all of these missions (their space station, moon and mars rovers), even though theres much less of it compared to other space programs. And also you can monitor what is going on on the dark side of the moon. For example, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is in a lunar orbit and goes over the far side regularly. There have even been some photos of the Chang'e 4 rover from orbit a few years ago :) Great video tho, keep up the good work!

[@WasatchWind]

It is good to see some people knowledgeable about spaceflight here. I do not desire to praise China, but I want to at least ensure accuracy.

[@zeist3064]

Thank you! How does he make a video about space and not know about LRO??!

[@rickjames18]

I have seen much of the footage and it does not come close to the amount of footage or quality coming from the Russians or Americans. In fact most of the footage is very difficult to make out except for inside the space station. Maybe they don't want to show to much detail but it is still very sketchy.

[@blintzkreig1638]

To be fair, to be honest

[@serronserron1320]

@@rickjames18 maybe it's sketchy but if you think that they haven't achieved landing on the moon excetera, all of their missions have been acknowledged by NASA

[@xlAligator6]

Awesome video! Thank you so much for all of your great concent. Hope you are doing well :), Grettings from germany

[@L33tSkE3t]

The LRO or Lunar reconnaissance orbiter and a few other satellites orbit the moon and there is technically no “Dark Side” of the moon as most parts of it get sunlight at varying times. The “Dark” more refers to the tidally locked nature of the moons orbit that keeps one side in “perpetual darkness” from Earth’s view and the “Dark Side” now more refers to the fact that communication can be blocked due to the moons orbit around the Earth but, not actual darkness from a lack of light.

[@bhaskarmukherjee8170]

So what in this video had anything about China just loosing the space race? You just needlessly got my hopes up.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

Thank you for saving me 20 Minutes of my time.

[@wanderingsoul8406]

Me too

[@christerjakobsen8107]

I dunno, what if we took away all the foreign aid West Taiwan is receiving?

[@bhaskarmukherjee8170]

@@wanderingsoul8406 I don't know why you take China so lightly. Just a 1.5 Trillion economy is enough to bring down the whole of Europe to its knees (i am talking about Russia here). Do you really think the world is ready to take on a 15 Trillion economy. Russia has just few aspects of commodities market under its control and it is enough to push the whole world in recession, where one after other countries are just defaulting and people have started to starve due to food shortage. Europe is f**ed up this winter. Now to take on China which has not just comdities market but God knows how many supply chains under its control. China makes pretty much everything under the roof and during times of war it will be able last a long time. It was the west which fed this beast and now the world is suffering due to it. Just stop giving stupid ideas and watch this slow trainwrek happen. We are all powerless before this monster. The best we can hope for is the CCP fracturing from within. But from outside nothing can be done or else we are looking for a whole lot of pain. Remeber Mao was willing to nuke his own citizens, do you really think these psychos will not dare to start a nuclear war to stay in power?

[@hinzuzufugen7358]

You forgot one mostly overlooked aspect: The reports of a trip of Jiang Zemin (then "President")to a space center in Kaliningrad and pertaining (secret) contracts of technology transfer from Russia to China signed at that time, 1992. You can tell, as the Shenzhou space capsule resembles the Soyuz to a high degree while not being a knock-off.

[@jukio02]

Who cares if China got helped from Russia, US got helped from Nazi Germany scientists. Foreigners contributed a lot to the US' developments.

[@Grogueman]

SO, even the space technology of China is copied shit? Pathetic.

[@DJPGB]

There is no (always) dark side of the moon. All sides of the moon get sunlight (over the course of a month). I think what you mean is the far side of the moon: the side that is permanently facing away from Earth.

[@mal2ksc]

There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark.

[@freeideas]

@@mal2ksc I got that reference :) I wonder if anyone else would get it; probably not.

[@mal2ksc]

@@freeideas They have to explain why you are mad, even if you're not mad.

[@sttate]

Does the moon not rotate?

[@theredscourge]

@@sttate It's tidally locked to the earth, so one side always faces the earth and one side always faces away, only the earth has a real "spin" to it, but the moon ends up having light hit all sides of it since the earth drags it in a full circle around itself every 28 days or so due to the tidal lock, so the moon ends up effectively having "days" that last about 28 earth days long.

[@kellyburns4725]

It's the FAR side of the moon. Not dark. It gets lit every time it is between the sun and earth. Love your vids.

[@l_Ryan_l]

The most surveillanced state on earth has an ironic lack of footage of its space activities/achievements, even when compared to the original space race... Conspiracy Theorists know why😉

[@tomcrouchman]

I hate the CCP but you can't say that wanting to go to space is because of Russia or America. Everyone wants to go to space, as well as the reasons you state. China has a long history of looking at the stars and dreaming too.

[@MrJdsenior]

I think they developed the first rockets, but then they kind of dropped the ball for about 1200 years.

[@giannishen]

You did a really great job, thanks for sharing！👍😄👏

[@jesslocsin3542]

No wonder Putin was seen laughing every time China launch satellite in space😊😊😊

[@radicalgale]

14:13 - this is not true. The US has Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that is capable of imaging all the surface of the Moon, including the far side. And that's what it's doing right now. Also, it's called far side, not "dark side" because it gets as much daylight as any other side of the Moon.

[@GeoScorpion]

From the country that couldn't manufacture a ballpoint pen from start to finish until 2016...

[@mikesully110]

they are hopeless at fine technical engineering work... I wonder who they are stealing their rocket engines from. Just like how advanced microprocessor manufacturing has to be done in Taiwan as the Chinese would be hopeless with their "cha bu dau" microprocessors that would output 5 + 5 = 11

[@jimmyli2151]

The snake's video quality is getting from bad to abysmal. He is now completely depending on the simpletons who just believe whatever he says without a 5-second google fact check. For example, in 4:43, there are many videos in KZbin account videofromspace that provided actual footages of Chinese spacecrafts taken by on-broad camera. Check out "See China's Chang'e 5 moon lander separate from orbiter". Dude just randomly threw out figures such as 90% is CGI. Even more funny is that the original KZbin video "Watch China's journey to the moon and back in under 3:30", from which he "borrowed" segments to prove "all are CGIs", contains plenty of real-life footages. He just cut them off. It is a perfect reflection of the way he tell the "truth" about China. Aerospace requires real science knowledge and honesty that is beyond a high-school-drop-out/unlicensed-"English teacher" who makes a worthless living by spewing lies on KZbin about a country he originally admitted "saved his life" (Check his early video in China). I CHALLANGE THE SNAKE TO REPLY THIS :)

[@clementpoon120]

"See China's Chang'e 5 moon lander separate from orbiter" is almost entirely CGI, "90% CGI" is merely a really rough approximation by him

[@CaptainStupendous]

We collectively need to stop using the phrase "dark side of the moon". It is not dark there and receives sunlight all the time. "Far side of the moon" would be an accurate statement.

[@NiallLynch]

As long as US and EU corporations want to reduce costs of manufacture in order to pursue their profit motives, then China will retain its special economic status. But things are in flux and dangerous right now, COVID, Inflation, looming recession and the US moving to secure their current hegemony against a powerful China means anything could happen. Russia and China along with Saudi Arabia, Brazil, India and your own South Africa have today decided to create their own reserve currency. This I feel is mortally dangerous to American economic interests and I feel sooner or later a spark is going to ignite a world threatening conflagration. I'm no fan of American foreign policy, but as a very comfortable European I pray America remains hegemon, rather than any other country outside the west, not least which China.

[@norfolkrover]

It’s great the range of topics you cover that just aren’t discussed on mainstream media👍

[@WasatchWind]

He was.... eh, mostly correct let's say. I do not like his rhetoric that the use of renders implies they did not do the things they said - we can track their equipment, we know they landed on the Moon and Mars, we know they have a space station. One can get away with lying about whether said machines are functioning, but not usually their trajectories. Renders are very common in spaceflight as a visual aid for the public. Images space programs get when they can, usually for scientific purposes, and videos in-flight are less common than that, especially when it comes to being on Mars and such. The general message of the video is accurate however. China's admittedly impressive achievements in space are distracting you from the state of their country on the ground, and they engage in reckless actions in space, such as deorbiting boosters with no attempt to control where they'll land. To anyone who is interested in this subject, I will make a point of saying that the mainstream media is the definition of ignorance and stupidity when it comes to spaceflight. If you want an accurate look at spaceflight, I recommend KZbinrs like Scott Manley and Tim Dodd (Everyday Astronaut). The public is misled heavily about spaceflight. Do not let the actions of a belligerent nation like China dupe you into thinking it is an irresponsible activity, when it has on the contrary done a great deal of good in the world (and costing taxpayers about $30 a year.)

[@bighands69]

It is understandable why they would go after space. Aerospace development can be layered into the whole industrial system of a country and its education system. It can be a goal to work towards and it can also develop technological abilities. But none of that is really going to change the fact they do not have a market economy.

[@awetaiwan]

it could also be complete bullshit..

[@williambey5244]

The CCP will produce an ancient map showing the Moon was always a part of China....

[@moors710]

I remember when John Glenn orbited the Earth, I guess I was 4 years old, so it was an early memory. I remember thinking, "Just orbiting the Earth I thought we were all the way to Jupiter". I had seen a painting of an astronaut orbiting Jupiter which I though was real. What a disappointment.

[@jbbuzzable]

Don't be disappointed. Science fiction often precedes science fact.

[@WasatchWind]

Oh we shall someday see such great wonders, I am certain. And even our efforts preceding that can be just as magnificent. There is a very different feeling in looking at elaborate science fiction art, and then seeing real images from James Webb.

[@himanshusingh5214]

Good boy 4 yo

[@Bufekana]

I so badly want to land on Jupiter☺️. That would be so nice❤️

[@serronserron1320]

In science fiction stories we had communicators like in Star Trek. And now we have cell phones with brain draining social media

[@ryanreedgibson]

I just watched a video from a friend who is an ocean eco-terrorist. I don't know how else to put it. But his ship sunk four Chinese trollers in two hours. One ship went down with the crew. As shocking as it is, seeing the damage that they cause, I can understand why. I am not very keen on the killing though.

[@VerdeMorte]

Might as well be an act of mercy, if they came back without the boat they'd likely be organ trafficked along with their family...

[@andrewboyle3770]

Is the video on youtube?

[@triadwarfare]

I doubt they would be in the South China Sea considering that the trawlers are protected by the Chinese coast guard and Maritime militia. I do wonder if he had a run in with the infamous Maritime Militia though. They look like fishing vessels but they don't fish. Their purpose is to protect their fishing boats with whatever means necessary, including ramming other ships.

[@zeist3064]

This is the most interesting comment so far

[@gamermasterL]

Please tell your friend he's doing great and to keep up the good work.

[@incrediblemrj7380]

Notification gang

[@damianmoore3308]

Gang gang

[@rariehlani1344]

Didn't get the joke. Captain obvious, HELP ME!

[@ruandalserept]

@@rariehlani1344 MrJ has notifications turned on. So he got here very quickly. He is celebrating it.

[@rariehlani1344]

@@ruandalserept I see, thank you

[@fletch_rookaimer2402]

Always here

[@maxanderd10]

😂😅😊😂😅😊 unbelievable. I have never seen such a knowledgeable person like this. 😅😊😊 Nobel Knowledge Prize goes to this man in the video.

[@hitardo]

I honestly think China has invested in space due to insecurity and wanting to be on par with Russia and the USA - the two superpowers of back in the day. Today, I honestly think there is more: - Not depending on foreigner GNSS services, like the American GPS, or European Galileo; - To advance knowledge in many fields of knowledge, e.g., aerodynamics, fluid mechanics, propulsion, semiconductors, materials, etc...; - To pass on the knowledge to airline manufacturing, e.g., Comac - as China spends Billions (with a 'B') on buying planes, mainly, from Boeing; - To make Chinese people proud, as to not question the governance of the CCP. China has not yet shown a good airline manufacturing capabilities, as Comac airplanes are far from the quality, reliability, and efficiency of the other airline manufacturers, like Being, Airbus, Bombardier, or even Embraer.

[@suzannehartmann946]

If you cannot build and fly a plane how do they even GET a satellite into space??

[@King_Flippy_Nips]

no, they want to stake their claim to resources, the moon has a higher % of titanium in its mantle than the earth does, also china wants the helium 3 which there is enough of on the moon(it is on every part of the moons surface, it gets created on planetary bodies that have no atmosphere or almost no atmosphere due to a reaction with the suns rays) to power everything on the earth for hundreds or possibly thousands of years, and the soil on the moon is perfect for making glass and there is currently a shortage of glass making sand on the earth, and glass made in the vacuum of space is far stronger than steel because it does not contain any air bubbles or moisture, you could theoretically make space vehicles out of space glass or fabricate glass panels and ship them back to the earth, look at how thick bullet proof glass is, glass made on the moon would be bullet proof at around 1/4 the thickness or weight of current bullet proof glass, or you could make knives or swords out of space glass that would be able to break modern steel weapons, thats why a lot of surgeons use volcanic glass scalpels for surgery, because the way its created is so hot that there is very little moisture or air bubbles which allows them to be sharper than steel scalpels and it does not get the micro tears in its blade that steel scalpels do after every incision causing them to become dull very quickly, the volcanic glass(obsidian) is nowhere near as strong as space glass though and its not even as strong as steel and is quite brittle really, its just much better than steel for certain jobs that do not require a lot of force to be used with the blade and it is strong and resilient until its breaking point is reached, whereas steel can get micro tears at even low force and short duration cuts.

[@hitardo]

@@suzannehartmann946 a commercial airplane has equally important things as being able to fly, e.g., reliability, fuel economy, comfort, etc... And there are some Comac planes currently flying in China everyday. The question is: If there were not Government incentives to purchase and fly those Comac planes, would airlines buy them?

[@Henry12341]

NASA IS NOTHING WITHOUT NAZI ENGINEERS

[@felixsubakti6907]

@@hitardo on their defense, Boeing planes are mostly not bought, but leased buying COMAC jets ensure spare parts and ownership in the very long run