Serral vs Classic - Epic Late Game MASTERCLASS! (StarCraft 2)

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Epic match of StarCraft 2 from Gamers8 between Serral (Zerg) and Classic (Protoss). This match goes the distance as both players get dangerously close to 200 Army supply with the entire map of Gresvan mined out.
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@hangover89
@hangover89 Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool that at 49:31 you can see Serral neural'ing a couple carriers, and only at that moment do the carriers start producing interceptors, because Classic is out of money and Serral is loaded
@tbird81
@tbird81 Жыл бұрын
What happens once the NP has finished? Do the interceptors become the Toss player's again?
@hangover89
@hangover89 Жыл бұрын
I'd assume so. What would be interesting is what would happen if zerg NP's a carrier, starts building an interceptor, and cancels neural. Who gets the 15 minerals?
@mso2013
@mso2013 Жыл бұрын
​@@hangover89who is asking? Are you from the tax department?
@hangover89
@hangover89 Жыл бұрын
@@mso2013 the overmind just wants to make sure that serral's mineral contributions to the swarm are up to code
@jakes.5206
@jakes.5206 Жыл бұрын
@@hangover89i believe there was a @feardragon 99% useless facts on this. I think the player who paid always gets it back, whether it's cancelled before or after the neural ends. She with any unit that can spend resources. Don't quote me though 😓
@emilybjoerk
@emilybjoerk Жыл бұрын
Dayum.... He's the goat for a reason I guess. The patience and stamina the man has on top of what seems like the most cool headed decision making I've seen...
@simonlindstrom2041
@simonlindstrom2041 Жыл бұрын
Coming home to a new video from Lowko makes the whole day better. It being a serral video just makes it even better
@japi08_official
@japi08_official Жыл бұрын
it being a serral late game video Chefs kiss
@Candle45
@Candle45 Жыл бұрын
Better if it was dark
@dominionemployee1188
@dominionemployee1188 Жыл бұрын
@@Candle45just wait a couple of hours
@MAthCFH
@MAthCFH Жыл бұрын
Better if it was reynor crashing a terran
@ThatGuy01210101
@ThatGuy01210101 Жыл бұрын
A Concave of Spore Crawlers: How I took credit for the Lowko maneuver The biography of Lowko
@Daniel-Star
@Daniel-Star Жыл бұрын
I think there was a long time Serral could have gone in and ended the game, but it's why he's the best he left Classic with no outs and no vulnerabilities to exploit for a comeback.
@bloodydove5718
@bloodydove5718 Жыл бұрын
And with this being one game in a series, that fatigue is going to weigh in on the rest of the games.
@arankoka
@arankoka Жыл бұрын
nah, classic was strong+dangerous till the end. gotta bring down the giant with 100 needle stings.
@Spartsou
@Spartsou Жыл бұрын
10:58 Lowko: Another one Bites the Dust Me: I like your taste, Lowko, lol. *this'll be fun*
@daganholbrook4214
@daganholbrook4214 Жыл бұрын
Hey Lowko! Gotta finally quick thank you in the KZbin comments for casting these games I mostly listen in while I am cleaning the house and my wife is getting our kiddo in bed, thanks for giving me fun games to listen to.
@svengalt9546
@svengalt9546 Жыл бұрын
Huh, at 24:51 you can see psionic storms animation is layered below the foliage of the map. Storm happening beneath the trees.
@morningcoffee4522
@morningcoffee4522 Жыл бұрын
Serral is still an absolute beast. Great to see
@TubeTAG
@TubeTAG Жыл бұрын
"Still"? When did he stop being a beast?
@grey21hunter20
@grey21hunter20 Жыл бұрын
@@TubeTAGur not very smart are you
@TubeTAG
@TubeTAG Жыл бұрын
@@grey21hunter20 Nah, not really. I'm pretty dumb.
@marklebury
@marklebury Жыл бұрын
@@TubeTAG "still" = "didn't stop"
@kindlin
@kindlin Жыл бұрын
@@TubeTAG Play to your strengths.
@Boompiee
@Boompiee Жыл бұрын
So proud of you for getting the Lowko maneuver named after you, man. Though for me, the lowko maneuver will always be "HEEEEEEEEEEEELLO EFRYONE My name is LOOWKOO" 😉
@MauroDraco
@MauroDraco Жыл бұрын
I was impressed how similar the banks were to each other and for how long, too!
@davidholland4713
@davidholland4713 Жыл бұрын
Serral totally outplayed Classic. With less economy, he took more efficient trades and eventually Classic had no income despite trying to steal a Serral base. Carriers are paperweights if you have no minerals for interceptors. But no matter how often we see this, most zergs can't control and play well enough to do this. It's still pretty amazing to see.
@mikewebsdale4777
@mikewebsdale4777 Жыл бұрын
Great casting as always Lowko! Fine pace and cadence with fun near topic comments ! Loads of enthusiasm and constant information, it’s like you’ve done this for awhile.
@TheRealMjb2k
@TheRealMjb2k Жыл бұрын
I always struggle against air-Protoss and air-Terran… I need to value corrupters a whole lot more with vipers and infestors but microing both vipers and infestors is so hard.
@mso2013
@mso2013 Жыл бұрын
Do you have vipers and infestors in separate groups? I find having them in the same group and pressing tab is better for me. Not optimal but it is a group less to keep my mind on. (Just be carefull about presning alt at the same time lol.)
@OldDragon2A
@OldDragon2A Жыл бұрын
Like how it was over so fast that Lowko was still ramping up the vocals when all of the Protoss units that could attack were already dead.
@husky964
@husky964 Жыл бұрын
Oh lowko-san, I'm just about to say we miss serral's match, then this video! The perfect timung!!🎉
@REgamesplayer
@REgamesplayer Жыл бұрын
I think that at this point Starcraft 2 community needs to just accept that Serral can''t be beaten in late game with a Protoss. This wasn't even close. Serral just dismantled Classic in brutally long game, one trade at the time.
@AlexCatable
@AlexCatable Жыл бұрын
Ummm... repeating it for the third time in this comments section because my glee just won't let me stop. This game was a part of Bo3. Which was won by Classic. All three games were fair macro oriented battles, Lowko just cherrypicked this one for some reason ))
@REgamesplayer
@REgamesplayer Жыл бұрын
@@AlexCatable I see.
@akagamino_moto
@akagamino_moto Жыл бұрын
Your content has a way of making the mundane feel extraordinary.
@billl.2441
@billl.2441 Жыл бұрын
Toss just wanna turtle and play defense. So Serral just let them draw it out and bleed them slowly. Exciting beginning to a stalled loss for toss. Its crazy to see 1 bank account go from 13k to 0 while the other still have 11k bleeding him out.
@Mykulveli
@Mykulveli Жыл бұрын
I dont really think zerg is op in a vacuum, but wheres the threat in late game protoss? They just need some tools, Classic had to just wait to be picked apart. At the highest level there doesnt seem to be answers. Lowko is right, zerg is hard to control late game. Would you rather be a race with tools that are hard to control to win or the race with no tools so you can never do anything against the highest level zerg? Every race needs tools that are difficult to manage, but if you can help you win the game.
@quwarq
@quwarq Жыл бұрын
smooth jazz transition towards skytoss 51 probes have gone down on the Zerg side
@markusspecht5041
@markusspecht5041 Жыл бұрын
Without having watched the games, I’m gonna say Protoss loses, a late game air battle is gonna decide it
@jeremyduke4938
@jeremyduke4938 Жыл бұрын
Yes. This game frustrated me to no end as a protoss player.
@Name-ru1kt
@Name-ru1kt Жыл бұрын
If protoss wants to win then they really need to be ontop of their ht micro and try to low the corruptors and manuaval around the spore forest with maybe a recall and a few zealots. One big thing is voidray bug thats been out for years which prevents them from chasing with the ability making them trash even against corruptors.
@136iti
@136iti Жыл бұрын
Well they are playing against Serral who is crazy in ZvP. In the video Lowko gives us the stats for 2023. Going into this he has 96.9% win rate in ZvP.
@henryviiifake8244
@henryviiifake8244 Жыл бұрын
Please tell me you didn't just use the #1 player on Aligulac (with the #1 rating vs Protoss), facing the #13 player on Aligulac (with the #12 rating vs Zerg) as an allegory for the general PvZ lategame situation. I'm pretty sure that in 2021, Serral and Stats had a 3-hour series (I think it should actually be somewhere on Lowkow's channel). I can't remember Stats' Aligulac rank at the time, but he was regularly in or near the top 10, and Classic isn't far behind that at the moment. Suffice to say, this is a showcase in the difference in skill between an excellent player (Classic) and an all-time great (Serral).
@tbird81
@tbird81 Жыл бұрын
​@@jeremyduke4938How often do you have to play against Serral?
@kashicherukushishe5410
@kashicherukushishe5410 Жыл бұрын
23:05 the man's lady must be happy about it
@brendonwang4177
@brendonwang4177 Жыл бұрын
Serral's patience is a huge deciding factor in these alte game matches, it seems like once it hit late game classic was trying to do all these crazy multipronged attacks, butin doing so he just kept leaving his last base undefended and burning through his own bank. All he was able to get done was snipe some hatcheries and kill some workers which didn't accomplish anything when Serral already had a 10k bank. Meanwhile, Serral waited for the protoss fleet to slightly misposition and he was continually able to snipe protoss ships.
@metapoic9420
@metapoic9420 Жыл бұрын
It was a movie, great to watch it, and thanks for the work that you have been doing to bring this to us ❤
@John-vp1ej
@John-vp1ej Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely LOVE to see a a full-on fMRI scan of a pro SC2 player during a game. Thanks so much Lowko, always love to see a showcase of skill like that from Serral. Up until that first mothership went down I kinda wondered is Classic might have been able to pull it off!
@vitorh3568
@vitorh3568 Жыл бұрын
I still wonder, how Mama Ship is easily abducted like that? Does she weights the same of a marine? xD
@404dne
@404dne Жыл бұрын
blizzard balancing lmao
@CrowbarKogut
@CrowbarKogut Жыл бұрын
Shouldnt have happend especially that im a newb and really wanted to see what that ship can do
@KaliFortuna
@KaliFortuna Жыл бұрын
Marine sinks in air, mothership floats in air. Therefore mothership weighs less than a marine, checkmate! /jk
@yendayo
@yendayo Жыл бұрын
I havent seen Serral be defensive in a very long time, and damn he is so good. Any other Zerg would have lost this.
@chrisdaignault9845
@chrisdaignault9845 Жыл бұрын
Hey at least “The Lowko Maneuver” isn’t like donating all your lurkers to a siege tank line or something.
@nmgaro2156
@nmgaro2156 Жыл бұрын
The recipe for ZvP late game is in this match: DO NOT ATTACK as zerg. Sit there, do nothing, just learn when to take the fights, pick one unit here and there, and thats is, your opponet will eventually have to take a fight on you, and your corruptors+infestor will have an easy time
@jameswashington4704
@jameswashington4704 Жыл бұрын
sooooo boring
@AndrejD303
@AndrejD303 Жыл бұрын
thats basically strategy in anything vs protoss... let shittier race run at us and lose cuz they cant win in same numbers battle
@thewrongperson676
@thewrongperson676 Жыл бұрын
I spent 80% of that game thinking Classic has this in the bag, then it feels like all of a sudden it was an insurmountable task for him. Serral is something else.
@glennpendleton9520
@glennpendleton9520 Жыл бұрын
It'd be cool if the Protoss could warp units out to salvage some value from spare units, or maybe just salvage probes like salvaging a bunker.
@alekzanderor5489
@alekzanderor5489 Жыл бұрын
it would be nonsense) like, lore-wise, how and why exactly does cost is refunded after "warpingout"? either its not a "warp out", but disintegration with toss player collecting atoms for reusing, killing fellow war veterans in the process or after "warp out" they are disassembled/eisintegrated/sold into sexual slavery and toss manager from the other side send player payment. Fisrt doesnt fit beacuse "honor", second doesnt fit because "honor" and question "why protoss empire doesnt just send toss player a credit to crush enemies in early game to then mine out the map and pay interest?"
@Zoutsteen
@Zoutsteen Жыл бұрын
took the one second that it took, after those 50:00 minutes to punch the like button.
@playermaxx1
@playermaxx1 Жыл бұрын
37:11 Damn, man relived there some trauma.
@emmanuelburlayan6743
@emmanuelburlayan6743 Жыл бұрын
Ohhhh YEAH ZERGGG GAMEEEEEE!!! WITH SERRRAAALLLLL
@TurnOnTheBackburner
@TurnOnTheBackburner Жыл бұрын
this was painful to watch. Once Classic amassed his 25k resource bank, he literally just threw it away to gain little trades with Serral. All those Warp Prisms and zealot warp ins didn't really accomplish much. He took down upgrades and killed some hatcheries but Serral wasn't hurting for any resources. And he had all the time in the world to rebuild his Hive and upgrades. Of course, we were watching all this with perfect information, but Classic could have used other strategies
@alexanerose4820
@alexanerose4820 Жыл бұрын
10 years later and the best thing the Mothership ever gave us was being a glorified toilet . Blizzard truly deserves all the hate they get today Not you though Lowko. Your casts are as entertaining as ever
@mrc112
@mrc112 Жыл бұрын
9 minutes in, after clearing some creep and still almost the entire map is Serral's canvas. He truly is the GOAT
@chainsawfreak
@chainsawfreak Жыл бұрын
the void rays were hanging behind spread out so that they would not be fungal+parasitic bombed = that combo is actually lethal to void rays, unlike to carriers and tempests. So after the infestor and vipers are dead they would come in to kill the corruptors
@nmgaro2156
@nmgaro2156 Жыл бұрын
Actually i would like to see that battle. The corruptors are ridiculous strong on numbers, the 2 supply is way to low. Easy to mass, and start one-shooting every air unit, even the void-rays that in teory should be the counter. But costig 4 supply, you never can compete against zerg air army
@jesusbarrera6916
@jesusbarrera6916 Жыл бұрын
@@nmgaro2156 problem is the Corruptor is the only viable anti air ZERG has, and it is only anti air as opposed to Void Rays and Vikings but yeah the Void Ray has needed a patch for quite a long time now
@AndrejD303
@AndrejD303 Жыл бұрын
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah unfortunately it felt too OP year ago so not allowed... here is your purple crystal pheonix have fun
@ztp913
@ztp913 Жыл бұрын
lol right at 16:07 visual glitch where the spine is poking waaaaaaaaaaaay farther than it should
@lahancodon
@lahancodon Жыл бұрын
Is it true though? The bit that 99% zerg terrified of taking toss in late games? idk about other toss compositions but this one feels like carriers/tempests/ht have no chance against corruptors/infestors/bl. Like, what's the theoretical winning pathway for toss here, assuming for a second that their micro skills are equal?
@Seageass01
@Seageass01 Жыл бұрын
I'll try not to be biased here but I personally think it largely depends on a mix of factors,because unless you're not a Serral or a Reynor,pros whose skill level is insanely high even for most top players standards,you're very unlikely to be able to pull off their tactics with the same frequency and accuracy,if we leave out the high pro scene and take actual statistics into consideration in most instances Skytoss comes out as a very efficient army composition which doesn't even require an insane amount of micro to be effective,while the zerg usually needs at least three micro focused units in their army to counter it.
@Nova_Jan
@Nova_Jan Жыл бұрын
@@Seageass01 exactly, people don't realize how hard it is to micro against late game toss and Terran. The apm requirement is insane and the chance of error is just as high, the average player can't do it. That's why protoss and Terran have higher win rates on the ladder in until the highest skilled players, then you see zerg pick up.
@bigprank3964
@bigprank3964 Жыл бұрын
Assuming their micro skills are equal, zerg wins 100% of the time vs protoss at pro level. In your scenario there is no theoretical winning pathway, unfortunately
@rafaelwoitzuck3186
@rafaelwoitzuck3186 Жыл бұрын
@@bigprank3964 Assuming their micro skills are equally perfect the templars feedback basically stops any zerg spellcasters in their track. So, if anything, it isn't the theoretical winning path but the practical.
@Komatik_
@Komatik_ Жыл бұрын
This is in good part just Serral being a monster. To underline how insane Serral's winrate is, in Aligulac's balance report, there has been a grand total of ONE month within the last 2,5 YEARS when PvZ hasn't been Protoss favoured, and out of the non-mirror matchups it's consistently the most lopsided one in Aligulac's stats - again, in the favour of Protoss. PvZ is the one matchup that has gone over a 55-45 imbalance at all, and has done so multiple times. And then Serral just comes and makes the game's most imabalanced matchup look like child's play.
@Howdy762
@Howdy762 Жыл бұрын
wow about time we got a serral game. its been months
@illiakuznietsov4162
@illiakuznietsov4162 3 ай бұрын
Looking at this game so much later... Im just shocked how much better did Serral get
@dereklamont8998
@dereklamont8998 Жыл бұрын
That was Crazy, Thanks Lowko!
@joesong4413
@joesong4413 Жыл бұрын
Serral is playing his food !!
@435666
@435666 Жыл бұрын
Tricky Control groups or not. Zerg late game is op vs toss. The broods force the air game and the vipers with infestors are just op. The problem toss has is supply heavy units. That's all they have. Those get destroyed with vipers and Templar are not a solution regardless of range. I think the best fix would be to change the mothership so it can't be abducted. 97 percent win rate is not skill alone. It's taking advantage of the game . Needs balance
@calculatorade
@calculatorade Жыл бұрын
Classic played the hell out of this. But Serral... what do you even do versus him?
@vietnamabc2290
@vietnamabc2290 Жыл бұрын
Pick Z, Z vs Z is Serral weak spot
@leenverkade
@leenverkade Жыл бұрын
I think Lowko called correctly that High Templar are just inferior to Vipers and Infestors and that is a big problem in ZvP at high level. One slight tweak I would suggest is Vipers not being able to abduct Motherships, like it cant abduct Ultras. If it were only for the fact how ridiculous it feels to be able to joink a massive spaceship a considerable distance with your tongue 🙈
@tb34567
@tb34567 Жыл бұрын
I thought for sure he was gonna say to play lategame zerg you need 4 or 5 hands
@SaltpeterTaffy
@SaltpeterTaffy Жыл бұрын
Super Saiyan 7, greenish hair, you basically described Broly.
@adamwinter8799
@adamwinter8799 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your commentary Lowko; it's great :) Btw.epic battle! ❤
@sentinel501
@sentinel501 Жыл бұрын
Babe wake up! New serral video just dropped!!!
@shybard
@shybard Жыл бұрын
If you're going to study from the masters, you might as well start with Serral.
@cxrunner1178
@cxrunner1178 Жыл бұрын
Lowkow makes me Laugh with his commentary alleyways fan boys over the really good player's.
@L76_Official
@L76_Official Жыл бұрын
The Lowko maneuver is prevented with corruptors… uh, ok?😂
@lukecraig4984
@lukecraig4984 Жыл бұрын
That was a masterclass in ZvP
@Kapuz73
@Kapuz73 Жыл бұрын
yeesssss
@DO-xw1zp
@DO-xw1zp Жыл бұрын
That was insane. Thanks for the content.
@DanielCosta-zp6jl
@DanielCosta-zp6jl Жыл бұрын
The raid boss of all raid bosses showing how its done.
@rustytaco8412
@rustytaco8412 Жыл бұрын
I don't care protoss won this series or not, but it once again showed how underpowered protoss really is. It demonstrates once again, that Zerg can play sloppy and socan Taryn. Protoss has to play on God level in order to come out on top. This game demonstrates once again that protoss never actually win game. Their opponents just lose them. What I mean by this is that protoss only wins their games if Zerg or Terran players lose by making too many mistakes. Whereas, Zerg and Terran when their games if they play well regardless of how protoss plays.
@bigprank3964
@bigprank3964 Жыл бұрын
Everything you said is true and it has been this way for the past 6 years at pro level
@Komatik_
@Komatik_ Жыл бұрын
This is in good part just Serral being a monster. To underline how insane Serral's winrate is, in Aligulac's balance report, there has been a grand total of ONE month within the last 2,5 YEARS when PvZ hasn't been Protoss favoured, and out of the non-mirror matchups it's consistently the most lopsided one in Aligulac's stats - again, in the favour of Protoss. PvZ is the one matchup that has gone over a 55-45 imbalance at all, and has done so multiple times. And then Serral just comes and makes the game's most imabalanced matchup look like child's play.
@jesusbarrera6916
@jesusbarrera6916 Жыл бұрын
except CLASSIC played badly here.... spent twice as much on ZEALOTs than ZERG did on zerglings
@AndrejD303
@AndrejD303 Жыл бұрын
@@jesusbarrera6916 to be honest i think classic is just doing desperate attemts as he knows he cant face zerg in battle
@howie5697
@howie5697 Жыл бұрын
This was great Lowko!
@RoulicisThe
@RoulicisThe Жыл бұрын
Weither it's Chess or Video games, it makes you wrack your brain quite a bit. And we often forget how power-hungry our brain is, it eats up 1/3 of our daily calory intake in what can be considered "healthy" lifestyle. So yes, it's surprising how much "brain work" eats energy.
@louel9272
@louel9272 Жыл бұрын
Question: do you think it's a worthwhile tactic if Zerg just use zerglings with adrenal glands to just try to destroy the Protoss structures at the 20 plus minute mark onwards? Like a sort of base trade instead of waiting to engage armies? Cuz the sky toss is also slow it won't be able to keep up.
@tigrankato
@tigrankato 8 ай бұрын
Wow zerg destroyed skytoss in a long game in one big final battle with huge efficiency even without remaxing, what a surprise
@eastonSE16
@eastonSE16 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully the balance patch helps Protoss in these late games. Absolutely brutal watching how easy Zerg has it.
@arankoka
@arankoka Жыл бұрын
usually protoss late is so much superior. serral is just serral.
@Knightpiecerules
@Knightpiecerules Жыл бұрын
yup, the problem is he's just serral man@@arankoka
@bro90_now
@bro90_now Жыл бұрын
Why don’t Zerg players make better use of burrowing? It seems like a huge advantage not to use all the time
@louel9272
@louel9272 Жыл бұрын
It's not just the physical stamina that makes Serral the GOAT, it's also the mental stamina to keep focused even to the very end...a lot of players during a long drawn out game just give up mentally in the end and lose focus.
@cole3062
@cole3062 Жыл бұрын
i do not understand why serral does not get carapace upgrades.
10 ай бұрын
I wish a similar game to SC2 but no hard supply limit, units would require more concrete supply and would start breaking down without supplies, air units should collide more to prevent stacking them on top of each other, make ranges longer in general, make accuracy a factor.
@gpierre13
@gpierre13 Жыл бұрын
Awesome game Thanks Lowko
@matkaferlein
@matkaferlein Жыл бұрын
Jeezus what a game
@kostadinbiserkov3551
@kostadinbiserkov3551 Жыл бұрын
In a near perfect micro (as these two showed for the most part), it will always be zerg winning the 200v200.. the amount of things you can do to react to anything coming in with your 3 spellcasters is just unparalleled. GG though, Serral is cray cray
@ricorommeldumaplin4822
@ricorommeldumaplin4822 Жыл бұрын
Serral's Zerg Swarm reigns supreme against Classic's Golden Armada
@gustavokusdradepinho3613
@gustavokusdradepinho3613 Жыл бұрын
Lowko, could you please cast a Serral vs Dark video?
@hellangel28
@hellangel28 Жыл бұрын
what a game! i haven't watched SC2 in quite some time, I realize i missed listening to your casts
@sokatsoi
@sokatsoi Жыл бұрын
Too much calories for sure. My hearth beat rate was above 120 for the entirety of the late game of the first match!
@Mister_DM
@Mister_DM Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna start by saying, that I dont really play starcraft. Love watching it tough. So here is my unbased opinion. Everytime I see a game like this, I just feel like Zerg is just unbeatable, assuming neither player makes mistakes. Lowko always says how Zerg can lose the game if they missmicro and so on. But thats true for everyone else. When we reach this late stage of the game both armies are deadly, so what decides victory is the engage and follow up. The problem is Zerg is the only faction who can force other units out of position. Vipers just make these late game fights go to the Zerg. I dont think Classic misplayed or was out of position at any point during those late game fights, yet since both armies are deadly its just a careful dance while the Vipers slowly take all your core units, while you can do nothing to stop them. Yes there is feedback, but other than a computer, how is anyone supposed to target the 3 Vipers stacked on top of 50 Corruptors? Every time a game goes late unless the Zerg player fucks up real bad, its not a fight, its just back and forth Abduction game. From the 30 min mark or so it stopped being about Serral outplaying Classic, and became Serral Abducting the mama ship and waiting for it to come back while avoiding a fight, until their massive 13k-13k even banks turned into a 13k-1k Serral advantage. It just doesnt seem like the Classic lost to Serral, it just feels like Protoss just doesnt have an answer to Zerg. And that just feels firstly unballanced and more importantly boring to see. After 30min there were no olays or attacks just Abduct, wait, repeat.
@BlackRainRising
@BlackRainRising Жыл бұрын
Don't forget neural parasite either, on top of yoinking key ships you can reach out and turn others against their own army thusly doubling the breakdown of the enemy. Yes it does become a "who can micro and click better on key targets" which is why the pros are pros and we are lowly peons that eat our hot pockets and wish we had a fraction of this skill but I fully agree Zerg was given a huge boon in game tipping. They also get the ability to slow groups of units, throw living bombs on air targets, and blinding clouds so ground targets can't shoot... Terran gets snipe, yamato gun, and nukes (if those ever actually work), Protoss gets psi storm, psi storm, and more psi storm. Zerg just has an overwhelming arsenal of tools they can use to simply win with their eyes closed, if you don't overwhelm them quickly in the early to mid game and shut it all down you might as well save yourself the wasted time and go find a new game.
@yummypizzza
@yummypizzza Жыл бұрын
I’d recommend playing the game before judging the balance. It’s a very well polished game, and through its history everyone has argued about their race being underpowered while other races are OP. Toss lost this game because he depleted his bank with zealot, ht, and dt run-bys that were not cost efficient. That depleted his bank, prevented him from remaxing into a ground army to sweep across the map for the win. After an air fight, corrupters are useless and take up a ton of supply. Even if morphed into broodlords, they are slow and can be easily out maneuvered by blink stalker.
@bigprank3964
@bigprank3964 Жыл бұрын
Your observation is spot on danielmarques. I have been playing and watching sc2 for the past 12 years, and objectively speaking (since i'm terran), zerg has been overpowered for the past 6 years at pro level. If the zerg pro plays well, the protoss pro is going to lose every single match, and quite often every single game as well, and it is likely gonna stay this way in the future
@dijango0015
@dijango0015 Жыл бұрын
you do realize that serral is the only one who consistently wins against airtoss lategame and every player below the top 10 zerg will lose against this airtoss army? You also realize that stating "i dont think classic missplayed or was out of position" while also saying "his mothership got abducted" is a direct contradiction, the second your mothership gets abducted you missplayed, because you went out of position.
@Mister_DM
@Mister_DM Жыл бұрын
@@dijango0015 There seems to have been a few misunderstandings here. Largest of all is what constitutes a "misplay". To me a "misplay", is when a player gets a negative outcome in a situation where, if they took a different approach they could have either come out on top or at least mitigate the damage done. When Classic has his armies on his side of the map, on top of his base, and Serral just takes his Coruptor/Viper control group and flies in, Abducts the Mothership and kills it, and then flies out. I don't think that is a misplay on the part of Classic. There were no actions he could have taken to stop it. He was in as safe a position as he could be without putting his army in the corner of the map. Trying to run would not work seeing as the Mothership moves at the pace of a snail. The only real action he could have taken, was to instantly feedback all 4 Vipers in the split second before their Abductions went off, by targeting them amoungst the dozens of Coruptors. But unless Classic is a computer thats not a real option. In short, Yes it is possible to lose your Mothership and not have "misplayed". Additionally my point was never that Zerg never loses. I'm sorry if that is how I came across. My main point is that in this position Protoss has no counter option to Abductor play. And in a strategy game that is an awful situation, not only for the player themselves but for the game as a whole. Games are decided by hundreds of different factors, and Serral won because he was the better player. However I think its important to point out when the game design has a very clear problem. In this case, the lack of counter play to things like Abduction.
@Komatik_
@Komatik_ Жыл бұрын
To underline how insane Serral's winrate is, in Aligulac's balance report, there has been a grand total of ONE month within the last 2,5 YEARS when PvZ hasn't been Protoss favoured, and out of all the matchups it's consistently the most lopsided one in Aligulac's stats - again, in the favour of Protoss.
@pnnnnnnnnnn1234
@pnnnnnnnnnn1234 Жыл бұрын
Thx Lowko
@sloanNYC
@sloanNYC Жыл бұрын
Carriers just costing money constantly makes losing those last few bases a death knell... so close!
@RogueNinjaa
@RogueNinjaa Жыл бұрын
I'm always disappointed when mother ships get instantly deleted. I feel like it never gets any use because it's too easy to kill
@HackSawSees
@HackSawSees Жыл бұрын
I feel like Classic was leaving a lot on the table with Voidrays hanging back and disruptors just kind of sitting around. Maybe he was just worn out?
@MemoriaChan
@MemoriaChan Жыл бұрын
Certified classic
@yosefshemesh5246
@yosefshemesh5246 Жыл бұрын
What a game
@lorinctoth9402
@lorinctoth9402 Жыл бұрын
This was a beatiful game, so cool!
@FindingMeaning
@FindingMeaning Жыл бұрын
THIS WAS SICK!!!
@heavenlyvibes7102
@heavenlyvibes7102 Жыл бұрын
so miuch better tthen Pig lowko is the OG
@davidakiva7963
@davidakiva7963 Жыл бұрын
Did showtime loose that match with the 40+ Archons?
@Kapuz73
@Kapuz73 Жыл бұрын
what a nice game!
@userasdf
@userasdf Жыл бұрын
I know it's a joke but there is basically a super saiyan 7. Super saiyan god super saiyan ultra instinct. :P
@yosefshemesh5246
@yosefshemesh5246 Жыл бұрын
classic is making you look so smart in this game, so many good calls
@JDGaming-n7l
@JDGaming-n7l 10 ай бұрын
Its true a starcraft game can sometimes make me lay in bed
@FirstLast-gk6lg
@FirstLast-gk6lg Жыл бұрын
God i hate being a Protoss fan, it's just too painful
@Dynamacrtm
@Dynamacrtm Жыл бұрын
This really doesnt feel like a classic at his best. Maybe he was just really tired towards the end.
@alexw4482
@alexw4482 Жыл бұрын
Anyone know when we get zest back? Miss watching his games.
@Erebus2075
@Erebus2075 Жыл бұрын
39:03 hahaha funny yer :D
@sybro9786
@sybro9786 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@statuszero865
@statuszero865 Жыл бұрын
Zerg air late game is just so effecient while protoss air is not... protoss is on a clock in the late game and zerg knows it,so Serral just needed to be patient and slowly use his more efficient spell casters to slowly eat the bank of his opponent... clearly imba...
@ctaussen
@ctaussen Жыл бұрын
maybe Overseers should cost 1 supply? they are spellcasters afterall. and/or not provide supply anymore also maybe some protoss units should cost less supply?
@hedduyou
@hedduyou 11 ай бұрын
Why do people split marines like crazy but then have a 200 army of flyers stacked on top of each other? Seems like marine splits with those flying armies would be wayyyyy better especially when there is that parasitic fungus or whatever thing
@daddyb1100
@daddyb1100 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE it when Zerg Wins! What an excellent game!
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