Server Meshing is About to Face its First Real Challenge | Will It Break? (Ft. Nargosvoge)

[@nargosvoge]

Thanks for having me! It was fun.

[@Aleksu_productions]

Never heard about the daymar rally but hearing where it was inspired from was so interesting to find out!! Love it!

[@Ghosting8273]

CIG has no excuse. Give the devs all of the tools, resources to make the damn game and a timeline that is not going to switch up the fucking plan. They should be sued in my honest opinion

[@VFW-Mayer]

An Idris? Why not a Polaris in orbit shooting down 20km onto the planet? hehe Servers are now 10 per 500 players. 50 people per server with some area for overlap. Good luck with 100+ unless they make the servers far more powerful. Maybe if current servers were only running at 10%, so we can expect 10x the players once live.

[@RyoninShonin]

Thank you to all the volunteers who make the rally the best they can. Thank you for creating such an awesome experience that not only tests what we can accomplish as players but what can we break trying :)

[@Starbuck.Laniakea]

Tickled to see ya :)

[@q3aryoko]

Daymar Rally is so cool. I have seen like Nargo wished....Planetside 2. I was in the beta way back when. The Devs hosted an informal race from one side of a continent to the other (actualy they hosted a few races.) Was so much fun. im guessing the most drivers i ever saw in any one race was about 200 or so... all launching off the start line at the same time! There were people in vehicles trying to take us out as we drove too. Was so fun. Wasn't on the scale of Daymar Rally. but it worked.

[@Aklys]

You do a great job of bringing up questions that are extremely valid that aren't being raised by many.

[@OldManGamin_OMG]

Nargo took me under his wing during the xenothreat and he is a big reason why I'm so hooked on this game right now. o7 thanks bud.

[@michaelhubbard5013]

o7 from the Elite verse. Looking forward to seeing you attempting that Tomatoe

[@aevacado]

This was an awesome conversation about the state of player run events in the game! I'm excited to be a tiny cog in this massive machine!

[@staybussin]

Dope guest! I'm a casual in walkers of sigma!

[@curleex3838]

Daymar rally should be made a BIG event where we can either enter or spectate the race, it should be a 12hr minimum race that use multiple different land vehicles, there should be ships on display and for sale maybe a music stand or two etc, make it a major event that we all can get excited for…. Just an idea from a noob

[@Aleksu_productions]

In future with base building that could actually be a thing

[@TheInsaneupsdriver]

i think that's the eventual plan...

[@Jakodin]

As a player who primarily does racing, I think Arena Commander has massive potential to be able to host races for quick competition and would awesome to see CIG implement the leaderboards or the competitions themselves in the game itself. Racing doesn't have to become a massive esports scene, but I think the community would welcome having a competitive scene in the game that they can follow along with (if not participate in themselves), just gives something to get excited for in the community.

[@Starbuck.Laniakea]

They should make a Daymar area in AC. That'd make practice for us racers much better. Have 6 waypoints ... and the little bit of daymar that is intended in the race.

[@akaAoXo]

The "plans" once upon a time was the the Murray Cup to be an in-game event with any player being allowed to join the competition and qualify for the final - and infamously I think, GrimHex has a whole area dedicated to betting on races...

[@Redrabbit_studios]

😎 looks like Another good watch.

[@TKanal3]

Totally disagree. Make the game GOOD ENOUGH. And work on making this game a GAME. It NEEDS crafting, it NEEDS social systems, it kinda NEEDS basebuilding, it NEEDS meaningful reputation

[@gametouchcontroller730]

Big facts

[@wraith511802003]

How bought no, this is not ubisoft.

[@TKanal3]

@ yeah its a social meeting simulator rn with no real reason to do anything…

[@DamonCzanik]

Well, good news! They're working on that stuff.

[@Verdiac97]

​@@wraith511802003 tf you mean do you watch any citizen con or you just spouting airhead takes??

[@Storm-Cleaver]

My thought on Reputation will be that eventually, you'll need Rep for better components. Lore-wise, it would make sense to tie purchasing to Rep to smooth the logistics of component distribution. Everyone will probably be able to buy C and D grade components of all types. Even the Military probably offloads C and D grade surplus. You'll need to be a Veteran and Citizen (or really grind your ass off) to get better Military components. Competition components will probably be sold via the e-Sports factions. Industrial components will likely be tied to those guilds. Civilian should remain open to everyone, but I think some sort of price scaling where the improvement from one grade to the next is linear but the price increase is exponential, maybe something like doubling or tripling for every upgrade. That might actually be good for all types. Upgrading all your components from B to A will be a marginal, slightly noticeable upgrade, but it _will_ be an upgrade... and it will cost a small (or large) fortune with each of the new components costing something akin to the entire ship's loadout of B-grade components.

[@caintindal1671]

Febuary is a huge for games Civ 7, Space Engineers 2 in late January, Kaiserpunk, Dune early access although think it could be delayed which would not surprise me.

[@CosmicD]

14:45 for that not to escalate, the new social app, reputation, swift and consistent punishment for griefers have to become top priority for CiG. (and a working law system). it would even be cool if it was possible for the game to set up an UEE defense grid during such events.

[@wraith511802003]

The current expecation that this is a free reign sand box will be quickly culled when the security systems an reputation comes on line. Imagine Star wars galaxy concept on PVP. If your rep is negative alignment with another player you are open for attack any where you go.

[@peterthanasse1321]

I get wanting to run Daymar Rally in 4.0, but people seem to forget that 4.0 is actually really just in PTU (sure, CIG called it Preview, but it's really PTU). I don't think the game's in a state to be able to run this successfully on the Preview servers. As limiting as 3.24 is, it just seems it might be a better idea to run it on the Live servers rather than Preview. *** (Unless of course, CIG moves 4.0 from Preview into 4.01 Live with a bunch of solid, reliable fixes. But if 4.01 is just still Preview, then that means even CIG is not confident enough with the build to pust it to Live as a replacement for 3.24.)

[@Starbuck.Laniakea]

Nargo!... good to see you my friend -- Spent 8hours to load my carrack ... of the 40 bikes I intend to load ... only 9 have been placed due to bugs ... things not loading ... elevators not working, falling through things, breathing issues, hangers not working ... I seriously hope CIG gets off it's assets and make it stable. If this shit show remains unattended I won't race next year. Takes to much effort for an unfun bugfest. Not gonna do it anymore --- hope CIG is paying attention

[@themarveluniverseonline]

I could see an "Arena Commander" style setup for racing. You could encompass the Damar Rally, the Murry Cup, etc. Even better if your racing rep transferred to the PU for specific racing missions.

[@Desenrad]

SM is working as bubbles in the game worlds and there seems to be boundary’s inside one another. What’s stopping CIG from attaching one smaller server to a point on a planet so we can have good performance just there? They could also easily give us like 5 servers that split up the load in that small location just for the yearly event. CIG just needs to finish figuring out how to optimize RMQ to handle large amounts of players on a shard. And that seems to be all that’s needed for the ability to have the verse split into a larger amount of servers and players. The shard handling a lot of players is the only thing that they can’t get to work now.

[@HappyRBOB]

Would be cool if you could use reputation with NPC factions to have them respond to your beacons in their territory.

[@DajhiraJo]

It took me 5 days to complete the Phase 4 mission set. I'll be the first to admit I'm not exactly the most seasoned FPS gamer out there, but the amount of bugs I encountered was eeexxccrruuciiiaattiinnggg. I was encountering gameplay bugs during the last week of December I have either not seen in years, or never have had happen to me before. Fr I'm not playing again until full live release of 4.0 lol. P4 should have taken 5 hours tops. If CIG can get a handle on the bugs, they'd be soaring.

[@mattsully5332]

Gods I hope they reinforce the servers on race day. Gonna melt some servers down just trying to log people on now that the game thinks a single server can have 600 people logged in, but forgets that it only works if they're all spread out.

[@maebusgaming7913]

Hiring Mercenary Wingman should have been a thing for a bit. Tachyon the Fringe had that. Should be easy for Star Citizen to do.

[@x_Paine_x]

You can't hotfix server load. I had 8 nearly perfect hours on 4.0 with 80 players on the weekend.

[@definitelyadarkangel9225]

Mine only starts getting funky over like 450 so the servers don't seem to be underperforming. But that's totally anecdotal on my part.

[@sidewithwerewolves]

with an early access game youre always going to shed some early adopters and you cant always cater to them instead of making the 'full game'. sometimes you're better off putting in your intended design, test it and then iterate on the design or redesign.

[@gravdigr27]

Its just rough when you are losing early adopters to old age lol. 😮

[@definitelyadarkangel9225]

A lot of people seem to have had a lot more bugs than me. 3.19 i could hardly go two hours without a 30k booting me out of the pu. I havent been kicked a single time in 4.0 and ive only had like 5 bugs aside from the SCP that is pad 4. I hope everyone is able to experience the smooth play I have been soon, because im really not sure why theyre having so many more problems.

[@hephaestion12]

Wow! Interesting view that the game is finished basically... All the systems i personally value the most : economy, crafting, base building, engineering are still yet to come. It is really cool to me that we can have a game where players can have their own niches and trade to focus the gameplay they want. I love a game where people can all focus different things

[@Sparky_007]

They haven't really thought about what to do if they've got like, 100+ people playing in a server like Hurston. Good luck Everus Harbor and the hangars there with players trying to get stuff done with the hangar queues and bugs etc. They really need to get Dynamic SM in to help load balance those cases...

[@NiksSofa]

Yes. Yes it will. You're welcome. (please watch the video anyway, because space tomato is a great dude :) )

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

I would argue that if basebuilding/crafting and engineering were to come in BEFORE the bug fixing, playability and stability were thoroughly dealt with, there would be even more outrage and frustration because those are big core gameplay elements ppl want, but become virtually unplayable because, well... it's Star Citizen.

[@joenapalm4841]

Yes. Next question.

The starts and servers were an issue from the beginning. This will be my first year not participating since it will be a dumpster fire with 500 players on a single server (yes server not shard) I have the feeling it might actually fail. I wish ATMO all the best and that it works out. Next year will probably be better to participate again.

[@jeremymoser2558]

I haven't been able to retrieve a ship in 4 days. That's when i can get elevators to work.

[@vorpalrobot]

For 3.0 release the average server uptime was like 15 minutes. You'd keep waking up in bed, and consider yourself lucky if you could fly your ship away before the server crashed and you'd wake up in bed again. The experience will get smoother, but it will have some bumps for quite a long time.

[@Maverrick2140]

oh nice .. sigma 957 ... strange things are happening there ^^

[@ALIUS_EDC]

I would want Ship Combat fix! LOL MM is just L O L IRL

[@sjoer]

But what if it is all over in a few seconds?

[@CeesaX]

Space Tomato joking about release in 2033 not knowing this is a real possibility...

[@cheesesniper473]

Well, it took them 13 years to get this far. Doubling it is probably being generous. By that time, space engineers 3 or 4 will be released.

[@aso6437]

4.0 was smooth and fun, for the first few days and slowly devolved into a laggy mess that it is now. now I am stuck on Orison and die when I try to leave. I am now at the point I can't even log into the game and if I manage to I will end up dying while The game is jittery for days jittery or laggy.

[@ProBioMech]

4.0 is super smooth compared to 3.18 imo. But I’ve had a decent experience

[@404fox9]

Yes, and in fact they won't be able to reasonably add a third and fourth star system without dynamic meshing or a static-mesh workaround like layering.

[@latjolajban81]

They can. Just bolt on servers that handle a new system. Dynamic server meshing just means servers can change in real time how big or small areas they handle depending on load. Static can't. But they can still add static servers that handle a fixed area like a new system.

[@404fox9]

Yeah they can but the server cost/player will increase. Most people continue to play in Stanton, and push those areas to their limits. Even now, going from 3.24 to 4.0 they went from serving 100 players/server to about 50-60/server even though players don't distribute evenly and you can see 100-120 around orison, mt, hurston servers. Even if Nyx was added, it would cost 2-4 more servers but you can't necessarily increase the shard cap by 100-200 because more players would overload stanton servers further. It helps that the next one is Nyx instead of another Pyro-sized system that could need several servers though.

[@latjolajban81]

@@404fox9 I think a big reason why people stay in Stanton is because most don't want to pvp. If we got another "pve" (high security) system more people would go there I think.

[@dougbeard7624]

Will it break? It's toasted out of the box, WT actual F.

[@anno-fw7xn]

31:30 i am not a fan of the arguemnt, i think the game is a lot better than even 3 year ago, and with the bug first aproche this would not be the case... good arugment aginst it from you tomato! what i think CIG need to change the ecomnie for that wipe happen and long grinde are less of a think.

[@bodayga]

its not going to work out Tomatoe and the fans and players will be on the bottom oF that one

[@kVidStream]

Server stability is key issue in holding this kind of event. If at the slightest, I get something like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3rCi2yOpM6pqNEsi=iqyURpPv8JaluyZg I'm out of the race...

[@stuartburns8657]

Does the Pope love God? Of course it will break lol

[@schannel4587]

4.0 was the WORST experience that i had in gaming in the last 15 years of playing games! , WAKE UP ! kissing ass will not make the game better ! pulling their hand and saying that what's happening is not acceptable will put pressure on them to fix the 1,000,000 BIG bugs this game has!,The fact that you're used to the game being broken doesn't make it okay.

[@Sheppardsg1]

best one for me when it did worked now that tech is developed and done most of it its time to optimized and released into 1.0 and bug fixing towards the end , and what games did came in that scope and details few and few mmos took longer to but none with server tech like cig is planing maybe planetside2 came close + now that server mesh tech is done cig can go and do quarterly releases back again compare to AAA publishers - some exeptions that are hating customers based on skin colors dei infested or half baked products that dont sell at all xd

[@joni062443]

True it's got a fair few 1000 bugs of real consequence/impact to resolve as well as stability and performance issues. But believe me, I've been here since 2014 (only spent £38, a small time spender here) and this is nothing compared to 2.0, 3.0, 3.18 and insert patch here. It has genuinely gotten better. I will not throw around the alpha excuse but as an effectively early access game at this point with lots of missing features and numerous bugs and development time needed (perhaps another 3-5 years before a beta of 1.0 is possible which could add another 1-2 years), it's fairly decent. Compared to any other finished game? Yes it is deplorable (albeit some finished IPs are not really release worthy either). But those are finished products so I look at things in context. So long as continued progress is made and the cadence ideally speeds up a little I'll be content. Plus there are lots of other games to play while I am waiting frustrated on some erroneous bug or broken mechanic in the meantime. If the cadence slows down and the game regresses significantly then I will also likely stop playing it. I am hopeful but not delusional. I take note and look objectively over time in context at the state of the game and how much fun I have playing it. If it starts to not be fun or really go backwards, I will say as such. I have been frustrated at prior CIG development. 4.0 is not one of those for me.

[@JohnDoe-wd8rs]

SpaceTomato needs a better game to obsess over, bro is still simping for the scam

[@briananderson4032]

Are there sand people shooting at the Daymar rally racers. Do they fall thru the planet also.

[@shield-sc]

I love all these folks who believe server meshing is anything special. Its not the Jesus tech that it's been marketed to be. And dynamic won't be the second coming either. Its table stakes, nothing more

[@MrAbram94]

Server Meshing didnt fix the games performance issues imo. At some point we will get 1.0, but it will always be buggy and laggy gameplay This game ia in development almost a decade and a half. It is a big big mess. CIG has not given us one reason to belive they can fix it. They talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk its all shortcuts and failures.

[@1inchPunchBowl]

It has for many myself included.

[@wraith511802003]

If you didnt see improvement then the problems are on your end.

[@mr.u3078]

we dont need server meshing, they could just integrate server hopping into quantum, who cares.....

[@tiggypop38]

If u think that, being able to hear other players doing stuff in your personal hangars, and ships randomly appearing in there, is server meshing success. You’re in as much denial as cig. 12 years and 750 million?, shameful. If I performed that bad at my job, I wouldn’t have a job!

[@wraith511802003]

Why is CIG given a arbitray time they have to meet that no other game dev house has had to work towards? OH that's right you think your opinion matters.

[@Shoate25]

If you think that minor issues like that that wouldn't even be classified as an "A bug" detract from server meshing being a success, on top of a bug that was present back in 3.24, then i need you to get a job in the gaming industry and learn how to make them or test them.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

Itis allready broken AF. Nothing in this game works even remotely well, not even arena commander where the next waves simply dont spawn, even the simplest of things are too hard for CIG.

[@wraith511802003]

For you, pretty sure you are just one those negative nellies.

[@Shoate25]

It usually helps your criticism when you don't use hyperbole and actually say what isn't working. If you say "nothing is working" then the people who have been having things work, will look at you and say that you don't know what you're talking about. Is there a lot of issues right now? Yes. Is absolutely nothing working and you cant have fun or play for any amount of time? Not even remotely.

[@Schooterl]

​@@Shoate25Those were my exact thoughts. Haha.

[@briananderson4032]

When 1.0 drops. Will Titan suits fall thru the planet also