Servicing the record breaker - Longines 30L

[@petercampbell3828]

The slo- mo bathtub scene was the best!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Peter! Gotta have some fun with the slo-mo camera 😁

[@GordonjSmith1]

Wonderful movement, and a beautiful watch. Exactly my taste!

[@stevehall6526]

I’ve had my Longines since 1971 mechanical and serviced about every 5-6 years. I agree the vintage longines are beautifully built and last, keeping excellent time. Still looks fab !

[@lucaiannuzzi8988]

I was waiting this video by many months... a lot of thanks

[@VintageWatchServices]

Happy to be of service 😁

[@jatco84]

What a beautiful piece...watch and movement. Simple, yet elegant.. Thank You sir..

[@VintageWatchServices]

Many thanks!

[@ralphferrara5152]

Nice job. I own 3 Longines. My Grandfather's I believe from the 30's or 40's, my uncle's from the 70's and my Hydroconquest. They all run beautifully. Please put out more new videos. Would appreciate it. 👍😁

[@TheGrenadier97]

Beautiful thing. Simple, clean and elegant!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Spot on 👍

[@bullnose01]

Beautiful watch. Beautiful movement. Beautiful video. Simple elegance.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks, Bullnose 🤗

[@aaron2709]

Very nice service to see.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks a lot, Aaron! More to come, so stay tuned 😁

[@stevegrooms1142]

This is an excellent video. As a former photographer, I respect your photography. Videos like this are a challenge to record well, for your depth of field is so limited. Your comments are always thoughtful and informative.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much, Steve, that's really nice to hear! I think this video is probably the best I've made from a videography point of view 👍

[@glenh4971]

Absolutely beautiful movement. Classic movement layout. This is the first time I have ever heard of the 30L movement. Thanx for sharing it with us.

[@retiredafce3373]

That’s a beautiful watch!

[@red75v67]

Hey Stian, what a gorgeous dial and movement. There's something about having small seconds and your videos are getting better and better. And a plumber's tap always drips!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Red! 😁

[@alanpreston3111]

A beautiful watch , must be a pleasure to work on a piece with no complications…for a change 🤔👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@KathrynLiz1]

The fit and finish were truly awesome... Lovely.

[@madmanmechanic8847]

I am having a really bad week with some horrible renters I need to confront tomorrow and I am not looking forward to it . But your videos put a smile on my face and take my stress out. Such a beautiful watch and movement. They truly had pride in their work on all old stuff. Thanks for posting my friend.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much Roger and best of luck with your bad renters...

[@jwoodyr1]

Thanks for shooting, editing and sharing another thoroughly enjoyable video, Stian! Your camera angles, zooms and image quality are fantastic!! It's a real pleasure watching you work - an inspiration and my aspiration. I enjoy all your videos but time-only pieces are my favorites. Thanks again!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much, Woody, that's very nice to hear :)

[@etherdude]

Stian, another wonderful video with an interesting (and beautiful) watch. Thank you for your attention to detail and careful explanations.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks a lot, Doug!

[@stevemoreno6241]

Echoing what others have said already. Fantastically shot video and such a gorgeous movement to see serviced.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much, Steve, that's very nice to hear :) I think the videos going forward will be of better quality than the older ones 👍

[@gromit1996]

I decided to go with an Oris for my latest watch, and it just narrowly beat out a Longines Flagship. Now I know what has to be added to my collection. What a gorgeous movement and such a classy watch. That looks like a movement even an amateur could work with and not muddle up. :) Now that winter has set in, 40 cm of snow here in the last 2 weeks, I will have to set myself to working on some watch repair and servicing. Thanks for your inspiring videos and wonderful handiwork.

[@milanchristi7939]

Educational and entertaining! KZbin doesn't get any better. Thanks!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks a lot Milan, great to hear! More to come, so stay tuned :)

[@samnova450]

Love that dial.

[@jamessmith6402]

Absolutely glorious watch 👍 thanks

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks a lot, James! These old Longines' are just fantastic watches, both to work on and to wear.

[@bessiebraveheart]

Hello from England. I like Longines watches. I have four wrist watches, and three pocket watches in my collection. Long meadows. Lovely movements.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Longines' are perhaps my favourite watches from the bygone days, cutting edge mechanically and beautifully designed watches... and it seems they might be coming back a bit!

[@frohnnielsen]

Another lovely video. Thank you.

[@joeskeptical4762]

*I don’t remember having seen the jewel holes pegged before. Is this done to clean them of dust and old, maybe dirty oil residue?* *_This is great to see, a watch better made than the very well made competition and it still runs like a champ decades later. GREAT JOB_* 👌

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Joe, thanks so much! This watch is absolutely fantastic both in quality and design, and that's a real characteristic of old Longines'. For the holes: you basically always peg the holes to loosen any crusty old lubricant, but for this watch it wasn't actually necessary as it wasn't that dirty. Old habit though :)

[@marktuyet]

Love my vintage 5 star Admiral . I like Longines more than Omega . My vintage Omegas always had problems .

[@VintageWatchServices]

Longines made some fantastic watches and vintage Longines' are probably my favorites also :)

[@dcl97]

A great look at one of histories great movements. When I was learning the art of finishing my instructor used a 30ls as a reference. Specifically to show us that a well finished movement was not about a bunch of gaudy Geneva stripes and perlage. For those more interested in having an extremely high quality movement on their wrist than a brand with a ton of prestige, you can hardly do better for the money.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much for that, and your instructor sounds like he really understood what watchmaking is about. This movement is near perfect within its context and it's a pure joy to work on.

[@boydsargeant7496]

Lovely Stian! I’m going to start looking for a Longines, maybe even a 30L.

[@tedblack2415]

Beautiful piece . Love the story telling , commentry & information in general on pieces and the industry . Didn't realise i wasn't subbed .. rectified 👍.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Glad you enjoyed it, Ted! Thanks for subscribing and more to come :)

[@wildernessofzinn17]

I like the 9000 series Longines Conquest with the fish on the back. That was a cool design back in the 50s.

[@VintageWatchServices]

A ref 909 Conquest coming up on the channel very soon 😉

[@wildernessofzinn17]

@@VintageWatchServices You're a good egg, Stian ⌚😁

[@drummerhammar]

Beautiful!

[@cthlhu]

Another great video, and what a beautiful Longines!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Jason! It's a beauty indeed, gotta love old Longines :)

[@michaelmoore2487]

A most enjoyable and informative video, with superb photography. Thank you so much for sharing it with all of us. I am curious, after you have assembled the watch and lubricated the jewels, do you need to let it run for some period of time (hours? a day?) to let the lubricant disperse and let all the parts settle in before you put it on the timegrapher, or can you immediately evaluate accuracy and beat error?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks a lot Michael! You do both, actually, your check the watch right away to see if it runs well, and then you check it again after 24 hours. You'd also check the power reserve.

[@kswaminathan5439]

A thing of beauty is a joy for ever. Beautiful looking watch. Love the blue colour hairspring with the large balance wheel with screws on the rims. What next?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks, K! You'll see what's next in a day or two 😉

[@Ronaldo-hw1og]

Great job!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks!

[@steinskotmyr2194]

Very interesting since I happen to work on the exact same movement right now . Mine has a slightly different dial though.

[@williamrizzo1285]

Well done 👏 I have my grandfather's 1965 longines subsceconds 370 tank movement in a round gold 33mm case. My understanding is it needs to go to Switzerland for service.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks William and very cool that you have your grandfather's watch! These old movements are not complicated and any decent watchmaker should be able to service your watch. Google vintage watches in your area and you should find some.

[@pipodorologio1648]

Sweet watch...another great video, love the humor...and nice to see you studied in Rotterdam.. thanks for sharing

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Pipo! I really love these old Longines', they're just fabulous watches both inside and out :)

[@pipodorologio1648]

@@VintageWatchServices same here, have a great week

[@supergamerbros.1718]

Beautiful watch

[@VintageWatchServices]

Couldn't agree more!

[@westend3019]

That's a beauty!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Westend! It really is, both inside and out 😁

[@IansModRite]

I love how unobtrusive the small seconds complication on this piece is. It’s more or less just an indicator to the wearer that the watch is running, perfect for a dress watch.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Ian, completely agree, it's indeed a very subtle design and a wonderful dress watch. The small seconds is not actually a complication however, it's in fact the easiest way to display the seconds, as you simply put the seconds hand on the pivot of the fourth wheel. The central seconds hand is actually the more complicated one!

[@HenriqueSantos-pe4nk]

This movement was in fact the second watch I bought when I got into watches. I found a nice Sports Chief on finn! Yes, a norwegian import!!! It is still one of my best watches and many serious collectors found it nice! Those DBX mainsprings are difficult to set in and unfortunally I found myself setting the mainspring by hand in some cases. I would like to find a 30LS and a 302 in nice condition. I enjoyed the video a lot!!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Henrique! A watch on Norway must have cost an arm and a leg 😉 And yeah, those DBH ends can be tricky to get into the barrel and in the little notch. But practice makes perfect!

[@HenriqueSantos-pe4nk]

@@VintageWatchServices it was many years ago. Vintage watches were not so hot at the time. Nowadays its more like you describe…

[@paulperry8614]

Great video I have a Tissot 1967 vintage dress watch much like this model I wonder if it would look very similar to the Longines , I don’t know it’s movement details as I am not a watchmaker., but enjoyed watching your excellent work thanks for posting

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching, Paul! Watch movements are very different but then again very similar :) It could be your Tissue has the same innards as the one I serviced, but it could also have something else. That's the cool thing about those days, every manufacturer made a high variety of watches and movements.

[@RalfyCustoms]

Hi Stian, just working through your videos, did you ever share your filming setup? I for one would be very interested in seeing how you make these wonderful videos for us all

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Ralfy, a workshop tour video is in the making, so I'll cover it then :)

[@RalfysTattoos]

@@VintageWatchServices wonderful Stian, thank you

[@GeorgeVelkov-w1x]

Dear Stian, marvellous videos. Thank you so much. Just a question - cal. 27.O or cal. 30L - which one to choose ?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Those are both very fine movements, you can't go wrong with any of them. Choose the watch you like the best :)

[@maciejsendak8831]

Hi, thanks for the great videos with great stories! They made me consider buying a vintage watch and I am torn between two options. One of them is a well-known IWC cal. 89. The other one is Longines cal. 27M. I am sad to say, that I could not find any information about Longines' movement. Can you tell why this is so. Was 27M significantly worse than 30L and 89? Once again, thank you for your videos!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Maciej, thanks for watching! The 27M was a high grade movement, very well made and beautiful also. The 30L is more renowned, but the 27M holds its own against most contemporaries. Caliber 89 watches are getting very costly now, and a Longines 27M is certainly a good alternative.

[@rwolfson1935]

Great video as always. I have a Longines Admiral HF (High Frequency) that keeps great time. Can you comment on its hacking feature that stops the second hand at the twelve position? Was this the only movement to do this? Thank you!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello, thanks for watching! There were a few watches doing this, perhaps most notably the Glycine Airman. It wasn't too common though as it also is a somewhat more complicated implementation.

[@stricht8]

Hi. I just purchased a longines 30L. I was wondering in which direction to wind. I tried clockwise but there was a bit of resistance and nothing happened. I then wound it counterclockwise and all seems good. But I was under the impression that clockwise was the correct direction to wind. Any thoughts? Thank you!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Yes, you wind a watch clockwise. Not sure what happened to yours but if it hasn't been serviced for a long time the click could be stuck perhaps.

[@propetamckissack524]

Awesome

[@mordeth1964]

That's what a minimalist watch should look like 👍

[@VintageWatchServices]

Right on, Morgan!

[@pnphoto]

i love to see some tips how simple you can post and engage the complete balançe. You point with the impulse jewel to the fork? thats why you make a 1/4 turn after insert?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello, thanks for watching! Yes, I turn the balance so that the impulse pin will enter the notch in the pallet frok from the right direction and then turn the balance cock into position to screw it down.

[@carlrees5574]

Great job as always!! Longines seem to have some "ghost" movements, I have a ladies watch with a 317 movement that needs a new balance but no ref for it at all anywhere, i did find a 420 but again not listed and although almost identical to the 317 the balance pivots are too long so i cant swap them around!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Carl! Some of these old movements are indeed difficult to find information on, in particular the ones that were not made in large quanitites, such as many ladies watch movements. The sad fact is that for some of these movements you will not be able to find spare parts anymore or it will take a really long time. There are some good Facebook groups etc that might help you out.

[@KW-ee1hu]

Great video and a fantastic watch! Just curious, what are you using in your pin vise to clean pivots? I've seen you do that in a few videos now.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello K, it's a product called Eve Flex. It's great for cleaning the pivots.

[@ricky6019]

Great great job indeed! Two questions, if I can: why don’t you lubricate the pivots pallet forks, and the barrel bridge hole? Thanks indeed…

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Ricky, thanks for watching and for your questions! The pallet fork pivots are generally not oiled as there is very little power working on them. Oil creates a tiny amount of drag, which could affect the amplitude. That said, Seiko does advocate oiling them and it's not a big deal if you do, with a light oil like 9010. Anything thicker would negatively impact the watch though. I oil the barrel arbor rather than the barrel bridge hole, but you can do it the other way around also.

[@ricky6019]

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks indeed for your rocket reply, and apologize for my bad english…Seeing your videos is wonderful

[@elgatto3133]

You know, it seems like watch movements made for chronometry have some tells in their design, although I can't really pinpoint them. Maybe it's just simple movements with relatively straightforward finishing done to perfection. That and large balances I guess.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Large balances absolutely help, and a simple design also. There are many ways to skin a.. to cheat on your taxes!

[@JOHNAPRIL123]

I love these. Is there a way to be alerted when new pieces become available?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello John, thanks for watching! Do you mean new videos or new watches on my website?

[@JOHNAPRIL123]

@@VintageWatchServices New watches. Several I have been interested in. But they're always sold :(

[@HeikosGarage]

HI there, what is that thing you use to clean the escape wheel and the palet fork pivot after the fix o drop treatment? Thanks

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Heiko, thanks for watching! It is a piece of pithwood, the soft core of an elder tree. It is firm enough to clean the pivots when they are pressed into it, but soft enough to not make any marks.

[@HeikosGarage]

@@VintageWatchServices I learn something new every day. Thanks

[@brucebarlow6604]

Neighbors dogs are very handy sometimes they let you know when the Taxman or the Inlaws have arrived. 😃

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂 Sounds like the best use of the neighbors dog indeed!

[@chuckburroughs6427]

What is the tool called you're using to clean the pivots? It looks like it would do a better job than just using pith wood like I've been doing.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Chuck, it's a product called Eveflex. It comes in various grains and I mostly use the finest one.

[@chuckburroughs6427]

@@VintageWatchServices , thanks for that info. I'll be adding some to my tool inventory.

[@sitandfish]

Ah the Longines. I had an appreciation of this watch based solely on ignorance. Now I can pretend that I have a knowledgeable appreciation. Especially the 'big ass balance". 😊

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁 It's a real beauty both inside and out!

[@danield6815]

WOW!!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁

[@travellivision7259]

I own this same watch. 1966. Better condition. Currently being overhauled as well. If anyone wants to bid on it. Reply to this.

[@VintageWatchServices]

It's a nice watch!

[@gaffeltroll]

Behagelig å høre på du, Stian.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Takker! 😊

[@tiberiuvincze8288]

Hello, yes very ,very classy, nice video and a very simple and nice movement! and dial Thanks! that Rolex that you own is almost as nice as this!:)

[@VintageWatchServices]

Almost! 😁

[@coopoylozenge5964]

Question. Why don't watchmakers apply the oil to the surfaces of the escapement teeth prior to rebuild rather than the rather awkward technique of oiling the pallet stones after rebuild?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Good question! Some people actually do lubricate the escape wheel teeth, but it's easier to get a uniform distribution of oil by lubricating the pallet and then letting the escape wheel teeth pick it up from there.

[@Александр-ххх-з3з]

Отличная работа!!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Огромное спасибо, Александр :)

[@angelherrera6820]

That is very nice Longines. Wonderful job as well. Watch repair/restoration is always fascinating to me. Those movements are really small wonders. Great job. Have you ever worked on Vintage Invicta watches? Are they any good if you have? Just curious because what they are today is not what they used to be. That isn't an indictment on them or me hating the current Invicta. Great video. Cheers!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Angel, thanks for watching! No, I've never worked on any Invicta, but they did indeed make some pretty cool watches back in the day before the quartz crisis and I wouldn't at all mind getting my hands on one :)

[@georgeszaslavsky]

Legendary movement when Longines when was a real manufacture

[@VintageWatchServices]

Got that right 💪

[@edvardlarsen6073]

how would i know if my flagship cal 30L is chronometer? its a 58´ model

[@VintageWatchServices]

It would say so on the dial and the movement, but most of the chronometer versions were made specifically for the competitions.

[@tmmkk1]

What is the brand name of the crystal press you are using, thanks

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Thomas, it's a Sternkreuz press

[@rodsalvador3608]

I bought my wife a vintage 30L and it's her daily wearer when she's not wearing her Casio! Do you have any opinion on the Ultra-Chrons?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Rod, that's very nice to hear :) The Ultra-Chrons were fantastic watches, I expect to have one coming up quite early in the new year.

[@bullnose01]

Stian, between the Longines 30L and the IWC 89, which is your favorite?

[@VintageWatchServices]

That's a bit like asking which of your kids is your favorite 😁 They're both fantastic movements, and not too different in design apart from the 89 having center seconds of course. The 30L is arguably the more beautiful one but I really love the ratchet click in the 89 😁 Performance wise the 30L probably has a small leg up but they're both right up there with the best.

[@bullnose01]

@@VintageWatchServices 👍

[@LCMNUNES1962]

ÓTIMO TRABALHO from brasil okay 👍

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks from Switzerland, Kleytons!

[@coopoylozenge5964]

Next Question: Leaving aside video and expensive professional stuff, what optical equipment would you advise for a hobbyist?

[@VintageWatchServices]

A 3x loupe :) You can also get a 10x loupe for inspection but a 3x loupe is enough if you want to go barebones to begin with.

[@coopoylozenge5964]

@@VintageWatchServices many thanks.

[@davidhuston6677]

I have a Longines Grand Prize Automatic , are they worth repairing ?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello David, thanks for watching and yes, a Longines Grand Prize should absolutely be worth repairing, assuming of course that it's not in a too shabby condition.

[@giacintoboccia9386]

So, this took the crown from the Zenith 135.

[@costantinoproietti7578]

Goog job.

[@SubTroppo]

At this time, how many Swiss Francs would a service (not including parts) for this watch cost?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Pablo, this is the cheapest kind of watch to service and you should het away with less than CHF200.

[@scdevon]

"Self-Lubricating" LOL. What does that even mean? That it moves and spreads oil around itself? That's pretty much what any mechanical timepiece's spring does. This is arguably one of the best 12 hour movements ever made, but the marketing nonsense back then was funny. Nice work on this watch!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks! Yeah, this whole self lubricating thing they had going in the last 60's/early 70's never really worked out too well 😂 And fully agree this movement is one of the best ever 👍

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

Is a "timeless watch" a good thing?

[@VintageWatchServices]

🤔 That sounds like a question that requires some long and deep thinking to properly answer 😂

[@gh778jk]

You have neighbours in Switzerland???? I assumed you lived next to an Alp!! Hugs Paddy

[@VintageWatchServices]

Let's just say that the term neighbor is used in a flexible manner 😉

[@johnsrabe]

1:54 I think the saying goes, “The contractor’s spouse never gets a new kitchen or bathroom despite years of promises.”

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁 Sounds pretty true!

[@simonkangiser6183]

@@VintageWatchServices I thought you were telling us your children are barefoot

[@clivesouthafrica2086]

Bakgat ! (Fine, excellent)

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Clive!

[@adrianbirkett594]

Great job!, what a lovely movement. Don't make them like that anymore!. Thanks. Adrian

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Adrian! They certainly don't make them like this anymore 😢 The quality and attention level of these old Longines watches were just really exceptional.

[@Danika6142]

Is 30L better than 23Z? If so, why?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Dávid, thanks for watching and for your question! Whether one movement is better than another is a very difficult question to answer, but the 30L is generally considered a higher performance movement. The 23Z was based on an earlier design and is aesthetically less pleasing to most, although it isn't all that different. Perhaps the key advantage of the 30L is the larger balance. A larger balance generally provides a more uniform oscillation period (although this doesn't quite hold true in high beat movements). But as a newly designed movement Longines certainly also put a lot more effort into adjusting the 30L for chronometer tests etc. I think the main take-away is that Longines made some fantastic in-house movements back in the day. Longines were one of the very top brands back then, on the cutting edge and clearly at the same level as Omega and Rolex. The 23Z is certainly part of that fabulous legacy :)

[@Danika6142]

@@VintageWatchServices Thank you very much for your detailed answer! I have two watch with 23z movement. I don't understand the movements enough, you convinced me. I can’t afford a watch more expensive than longines, this seemed like the best choice in terms of value for money.

[@VintageWatchServices]

My pleasure and Longines vintage watches are indeed very good value for money. The 23Z is also a very good movement and will give you great performance when properly maintained 👍

[@johnsrabe]

Exactly as you were saying the transparent capstones could be a “real pain in the ass,” I was thinking, “whose brilliant idea was it to make one of the smallest parts of a watch also nearly invisible?”

[@VintageWatchServices]

Yep, it's a questionable idea for sure 🤔 Makes you pay extra attention when you put parts in and take them out of the cleaning basket...

[@danield6815]

Why watches today can't be done like this one?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Good question Daniel, and the answer is cost cutting and laziness... laziness on the side of the consumer, who wants watches they don't have to hand wind and cost cutting from the manufacturers who want to produce watches that need parts replacement within a decade and thereby more profits.

[@cmalc8]

"A timeless dress watch" ...timeless? 🤔

[@freddieslaughter1107]

Most people don't buy that type watch, they buy digital or quartz.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Yep, but these watches aren't for most people anymore 😉

[@alan-sk7ky]

'Keyless' just like 'Clipless' bike pedals...... 😕

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching, Alan! I don't really know clipless bike pedals, but it sounds somewhat similar :)

[@alan-sk7ky]

@@VintageWatchServices It is, clipless pedals are bike pedals you clip your modern cycling shoes to. Despite 'clipping in' to your clipless modern pedals they are clipless because err... they don't have ?clips. Clips refer to old fashioned metal 'clips' wot fit over your shoe with a leather strap to tighten, so that' s perfectly clear now yes :-D

[@steveblake8766]

#184 Thumbs uP

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Steve! 🙏

[@freddieslaughter1107]

Only the wealthy can afford those type of watches, not the working man.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Back when they were new, these watches were not all that expensive and would be within range for most working people. Even today you see a lot of working class people walking around with Apple watches and phones that relatively speaking cost much more than this watch did back then.