Servo Motor Installation update (an update to the last update)

[@stoneblue1795]

I bought a brand new Consew walking foot commercial machine 206RB-5 about four years ago, and it was the first model year that was not made by Consew of Japan, as it was manufactured in China. I also opted for a servo motor to be included on my rig, and it also came from China. It has all held up fine for heavy-use over the last 4 years. No complaints, no need for adjustments it just keeps going. I saw no "USA" made equivalent when I made my purchase. Sailrite of the USA would have been my second choice, but their hard goods actually come from China as well.

[@gergemall]

Wow , glad to hear that the sewing machine Consew has been working great for you.

[@mikekollross8810]

China will make whatever you ask for. We ask for cheap. They make cheap If you want quality, you need to ask and pay for quality.

[@bigjohn75]

I burnt out my cheep Wally world sewing machine. I got my self for Christmas. I'm not even mad. I learned a lot since then. And Found a new Hobie.

[@canoetipper019]

your comment about "made in China" is spot on...and I was thinking about someone;s comment on another media that we (I live in Canada) should only buy Canadian made...hahaha...as you said on a device no doubtably made in China. However this whole virus issue should have us waking up to realize we DO need to start manufacturing product domestically because in a crisis you can't always rely on another country to supply essential goods...whether that is China or even the US. This is because when the cards are down and everyone is looking for the same gear...when the country of origin wants a/o needs the same products they are going to keep those products. So every country should be able to supply themselves...in my opinion. But as for quality of goods, I still think you get what you pay for most of the time...regardless of country of origin. Cheers

[@IdeaStudioBKK]

Once you make the switch to a servo motor it's hard to go back to a clutch, no matter where it's made. I swapped my Juki clutch motor out to a direct drive servo made in China and it's held up great over with daily use. Made in China isn't a guarantee of low quality, just like anywhere there is a range of quality in their manufacturing. I source a lot of the solid brass hardware I use from China, and it's exceptional, but I searched out a quality manufacturer to get it. Also, my walking foot industrial machine is a Jack, which is made in China, it's a workhorse of a machine for me, I've had zero issues.

[@MrMartinburgar]

How can anyone complain about making your job or hobby more easy and pleasurable to do I to am looking into a servo for my singer for more control I made new pulleys on my Taiwanese milling machine and it gave more control but now I have lost speed, so it's a servo for me, keep up the good work

[@BTimmer]

I've lived long enough to remember when "Made in Japan" had a similar reputation.

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Me too.

[@canoetipper019]

I was thinking the same thing

[@willarmstrong398]

exactly

[@gergemall]

Thx Jason I appreciate all of your videos. Thx for the link of the other leather video channel on KZbin.

[@JHorvathCinema]

Spot on. You can buy a Chinese excavator with a CAT motor and Parker pumps in it. Some people would argue you even get better service than you would from caterpillar on it. I’m pro American made, but I’m also pro getting projects done and pro earning a living. Using inexpensive servos has made my team faster and more accurate, it’s also saved me from upgrading my electrical service to deal with big inductive motor loads. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Like you said, is there even an American made option here? Do you need a dump truck to haul mulch a couple weekends a year? Everyone has to make that decision for themselves.

[@AlexanderDyer]

I agree with your comments on China, interestingly our past generations held roughly the same view of Japan. The Aha end panel was cool. Thank you.

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Thanks Alexander! I agree, Japan was in a similar position when I was younger. I'm, glad you liked the end panel, just having some fun :)

[@jerrydavis5934]

Not a defense , rather an observation. China products are made for American companies to the standard required by the American company that is purchasing whatever the product is.

[@jeffdenig705]

Ummm. Not exactly. What the large companies have found is that to really GET the Quality they have Contracted for..... US Companies need to have an embedded QC Staff at the Factory. Keeping'em honest - so to speak. Having said that........ China has some amazing factories with world class machining centers and the ability to use NDT and PMI to make sure good quality metals go into the machines. To say you could eat of the floor at some of these factories - would be an understatement. The other phenomenon that goes on is....... sometimes machine work is "subbed out" to the factory (brother in law) down the street and one would Not Eat Off Of Those Floors. So, it's a matter of oversight to get good products from the Chinese.

[@mostlymetalmachines9249]

Ah, liked the homage to A-ha's Take on Me at the end. Well done. Also appreciate your content.

[@colin101981]

Hi Jason, watched the whole video with interest. I like your objectivity, it's about the subject and you're not afraid to say when you've got it wrong or something has since come to light that changed your mind. I'm in the UK, and I have to agree with Mike Kollross' comment - I think the world has gone 'stuff' mad, most of us have too much, certainly much more than we did even 30 years ago. Companies are very good at telling us that they're responding to 'customer demand' and that price is everything, and as Mike says we want 'cheap. They make cheap'. BUT I do not believe that this is customer driven and think it's company driven. Competition has it's place, however, one of the side effects seems to be a spiral to the bottom, in everything, price, quality, standards of care for the whole chain - health and safety, workers conditions, I could go on, but that you'd think 'he's having a rant!'. Always enjoyable and informative, thanks Jason. regards from the UK

[@DK-wx8bq]

Thanks. Recently started looking into the servo motor option for my Chandler Walking Foot industrial. It does have a very sturdy (original likely) clutch motor. I feel like I can control it pretty well but not like what I see from servo as for slow speed torque and the need-sync is an attractive option. Thanks again for being a terrific resource.

[@normthompson9588]

Just saying hi life is very slow but I really try to keep sewing thanks to you I really appreciated everything so you no your appreciated

[@robinbebbington7063]

It's the same attitude in Australia

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Thanks, that's interesting to hear!

[@anderswegge6828]

Some of the things that are made in the USA is utter crap. Some of the things that are made in the USA is superb. In my line of work, I've seen examples of both.

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Agreed. I suppose that can be said of any place. Thanks for watching and adding to the conversation, stay safe!

[@836dmar]

Great update. I have a servo motor that game with a Juki but without the positioner. I wonder if one could be added? I also have a 111 with the clutch motor and have struggled with backlash for years when it ever so slightly reverses at the end of a stitch. It’s well within normal movement per many videos but the upper thread falls down behind and under the hook and rats nests ensue. I’ll bet a servo with positioner would stop that. Thanks for being so level-headed.

[@davef2065]

If you still have that Singer motor and are looking to get rid of it, just post it on Victorian Sweatshop. Lots of us fans of old Singer machines are still around. Someone will take it off your hands and get it running on their 96-10 to replace their old Tacsew motor.

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Hi Dave, Unfortunately, that motor has gone on to a new life of being paper clips and whatever else it might be recycled into. It was too far gone, to big to keep and too heavy to bother with shipping to someone, sadly. Thanks for the lead, though!

[@johnnyjj374]

Hi Jason, thanks for your great videos on sewing. I have installed that servo as well and it is running fine. However with the up and down buttons I can set the lowest speed to 100 but it seems to runs at a minimum speed of 400. Did you notice the same with your servo? And have you found out a way to solve this so it actually can run at a minimum speed of 100?

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Hi Johnny, thanks! I just checked mine (I've never tried to run out that slow before) and it only goes to 500, if I hit the "down" button again it cycles back to 6000. One thing I've noticed is you can slow the stitches per minute, but the speed at which the needle drives down into the work seems to remain consistent, which seems not ideal for people who want to sew slowly, as in with leather. Sailrite's WorkerB for the Ultrafeed machines is absolutely phenomenal in this regard, the slow speed control and power is astonishing. I don't know if there is a servo motor for industrial machines that works that way, though.

[@johnnyjj374]

@@thejasonofalltrades thanks for the answer. I am in Europe so the Sailrite machine is "unreachable" (extreme transport and taxes). I have placed a smaller pulley on the motor and that seems to work okay for our sewing-project 🙂

[@louparsons]

Thanks for the 'rant,' though I'd say it was a well expressed opinion. I had a longer reply, but it was going to evolve in to a long disquisition on too many aspects of consumer consumption, perhaps best explored in an expository blog post. Gratuitous question; how big is your cutting table? I struggle with 54" and 60" wide fabric on a 48" wide table.

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Thanks Lou! The tables in the work space are about 4' x 7' I think. They were in the space already, and I'm slowly adapting them for my use. Most of the fabrics I use come on 60-62" rolls, so having a table that wide is super helpful. My arrangement at home (which I'll be moving to the shop soon) has a 60" wide table right under the rack that hold my rolls of fabric. That makes pulling lengths of fabric off of the rolls easier. Stay safe my friend!

[@cm5838]

I don’t know the brand of your motor but it looks just like a consew which looks just like an eagle, I run two eagle ea 750’s and a consew csm 1000 and they are on about a year of extremely hard use. We sew all day a very heavy silicone impregnated fiberglass fabric with stainless steel mesh, sometimes 8 layers and they so far have done well. Adapting the synchronizes to the old hand wheels are a pain but I’m going to start manufacturing adapters once I get my lathe. If these motors go out they will be replaced with the same

[@JHorvathCinema]

Charles Mikesell I’ve had a similar experience with the eagle branded stuff, had one flaky controller, but the seller shipped out a replacement free of charge

[@cm5838]

Joe Horvath I’ve been happy with them especially considering the torture we put them through. I know that better quality could probably be built but for the money I can’t beat them. Plus every motor I found was Chinese made even the big brands like consew juki sail rite even found one labeled American sewing machine or something like that but it too was Chinese and looked really really cheesy. I have a Japanese made consews with Chinese motors and lights and happy, I do wish the Chinese machine parts lasted longer

[@Specky12]

I'll comment, as somebody from the UK. The attitude that 'Made in China' means it's of poor quality is less pervasive here these days (in my opinion). I buy a fair bit of stuff from China for my various projects (from difficult to get small items to beautifully designed and build e-bike motors and electronics). If you pay a sensible price, you will get a great product. The stuff coming out of China is generally much better value though. Chinese suppliers are also on the ball and get stuff out to you quickly. I can't say that is always the case with UK suppliers.

[@spotsill]

My signer wore out my pfaff broke a spindle broke and thread is impossible to get . I do have a spare spool for the pfaff 👍🏻.

[@katherinebarbery1762]

Hi from the UK,not about this video,i have had a singer 519 D300AD,what needle would you recommend for top stitching around hem of jeans,i am using coats dual duty plus thread ?? I can't find imformation on the internet

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Hi, Sorry for the delay! I'm the worst person to ask about needle selection. My needle selection is usually "whatever is in the machine at the moment." My guess is a jeans needle would be best if you're sewing denim. Sorry I can't be more authoritative! I hope that helps, good luck and stay safe!

[@debraclogston9379]

Sir, Begging for information or tips. I bought a Ken Quilt 633, it's no longer made. I get that. I purchased it with the intention of using it as a quilting machine. I've searched high and low for information on this machine. It's a straight stitch only, no feed dogs. Runs like a powerhouse. I want to use it, but it is not getting along with the grace frame. Can you give me any clues as to where I can find plans for a heavy quilting table. The machine weighs 80# and the frame is like a noodle. I am disabled for the most part and I need cut rate items. The 25,000$ machines are ay out of my price range. Humbly yours, Deb

[@thejasonofalltrades]

Hi Deb, Unfortunately, anything I told you would only be what I found by googling. My wife does some quilting but not on a frame, just standard domestic portable machine. I am aware of quilting frames, but that's as far as my knowledge goes. I'm sorry I can't be of more help, I hope you find answers to your problem!

[@link2on]

That comment came from Trump's 2nd account that he uses to troll people anonymously. =)

[@836dmar]

Should have expected a Trump comment to come up. I’m not defending him but every comment on here has been quoted or discussed in one form or another repeatedly amongst those in my many hobbies for decades. Importation of goods(and their implied lower quality) and exportation of labor(and the implied higher quality) that is so discussed with Trumpers has been a discussion since the War in many countries besides the USA. Low hanging fruit. Just thought I’d attempt to center the discussion for those who might seek confirmation bias.

[@jerrydavis5934]

I have a question about electric motors for sewing machines. I purchased 2 older Consew 220 machines. I dad to put new wire from the motor to the plug. It works when I turn it on. When I turn it off it slows down but you have to push pedal and let sewing machine run a few strokes before if shuts down completely. A friend that is a mechanic said electricity is bleeding over inside motor and it would probably be best to just replace the motors. Have you ever seen anything like this ? Thanks

[@thejasonofalltrades]

That is completely normal for clutch motors! There is a heavy rotor spinning at either about 1750 RPM or 3500 RPM (depending on the motor), and when you kill the power, the inertia of that spinning mass takes some time to bleed off. You can just let it spin until it stops. The only thing to be cautious of is if you have stopped sewing in the middle of something and don;'t want to stitch any further, don't step on the pedal after you've turned it off, because it will still sew some! I demonstrate this in my Consew 225 video, and in my most recent video where my wife sews on that machine for the first time. So, you should be good! Servo motors are a worthy upgrade, but I kind of like using a clutch motor, too, so if they are working well, don't feel like you have to replace them. I hope that helps, thanks for watching!

[@jerrydavis5934]

@@thejasonofalltrades Thank you, I really appreciate the information.