The Wheel of Time - Episode 6 - Moiraine saves Mat [FHD]

[@legendswithjasper]

"Bless his heart. He tries," is unironically my favourite Mat quote so far.

[@mylesstubblefield6082]

When she says “oh you stupid boy” I feel it with every fiber of my being. These two boys and the healer having been acting so stupidly and stubbornly up until this point

[@allrounderbuddy1271]

@Caliber8250 i guess nynaeve has feeling for morrains bodygaurd😅

[@erisrotavele990]

@Caliber8250 I really wanted to like nynaeve but she is obnoxious and honestly it's just pride and jealousy at work here and both are hilarious traits for a "wisdom" to have

[@vanessadossantosmoraes5526]

@Caliber8250 Right??? Moraine has done nothing besides saving her friends stubborn asses, and she still acts like Moraine murdered her cat, i mean WHY?? This behavior is so unjustified

[@embrya26]

​@Caliber8250 Doral hated and mistrusted the Aes Sedai for shunning her at 13 and Nynaeve took on that hatred and mistrust for herself without having even met an Aes Sedai. She still holds strong to that despite being proven wrong time and time again yet she calls herself a Wisdom. And you're right, she never offers a solution other than "I don't want to" or "We don't want to". The latter of which drives me up the wall because she always tries to speak for everyone which is ironic and hypocritical because that's exactly what she blames Moiraine for doing all the time. I'd also like to throw Rand in the mix because he's a b*tch too. He lashes out at everyone simply because he can't have what he wants in the way he wants it and to hell with everything and everyone else. Talk about being selfish. He too has been proven wrong time and time again and yet remains petulant. Every time he blames or lashes out at Moiraine or Egwene because he can't deal with his own feelings I want to punch him in the face. Mat is a product of his upbringing so his attitude and behavior don't surprise me at all. He does have a darkness in him but that was seeded by his parents and his need for self-preservation is strong because of it. Of the problematic/annoying af characters, he's one that I don't necessarily blame for being how he is. He's still annoying but I get it. Nynaeve and Rand I can't stand.

[@chijiokenjemanze8351]

Believe me.. if d books are anything to go by, u might need to buy a frustration chew toy.

[@robertc7232]

Morraine's eye roll when Rand drew his sword on her was priceless. The woman can literally wave her hand and that sword would go up his ass sideways.

[@Quvan]

But since he's the DR, he can drown her with his tears. Flood the town, maybe.

[@bluelight17]

Though she did the same thing on Rand on the last ep, as if "amber guy" couldn't stop her immediately😅

[@Adam-ul2nz]

I mean Rand in a bit could probs destroy the whole ass city with a bit of concentration. Canonically Moraine is incredibly weak in the power

[@IdsFear]

@@Adam-ul2nz Moraine was never weak in the power, she was average to above average. But she compensated with angreal. After she gets rescued from the snakes and foxes she is weaker, but not incredibly weak. She's only weak when compared to the heavy hitters like nyneave and Lanfear.

[@Anomanderrake_]

@@IdsFear according to the power scale that’s in the WoT wiki, Moiraine was quite strong in the power, not the strongest but way above the average and she got significantly weaker after being rescued. Also, book 6-12 Rand could absolutely destroy her with Saidin.

[@thetalesofagrimheart]

Rand: "Moiraine, you're alive." Lan: "Nice to see you too."

[@MarshalLtd]

Matt: "The world doesn't need Dragon like me." Morraine: "Fool of a Took." Matt: "What?" Morraine: "Sorry. Wrong script. Oh you stupid boy." Same energy.

[@konstantinkrastev4478]

femdalf is cool tho

[@MarshalLtd]

@@konstantinkrastev4478 they are pretty much same character. Same drive, motivation, sacrificing self happiness and life for a quest that looks eternal, both have idiots in group that can't resist picking up shinnies.

[@konstantinkrastev4478]

@@MarshalLtd I mean as someone who writes semi-professionally there are only so many archetype characters you can write before everyone is the same. It's the little things that change, which is what makes her cool

[@MarshalLtd]

@@konstantinkrastev4478 It wasn't meant in a bad way. They are both great. I think last time I read more original twist on fantasy characters and their roles it was in Mistborn The hero of Ages.

[@kendalmoraes8866]

Is anyone tired of their ungrateful behavior towards Moiraine? Like they would’ve died a thousand times over if it wasn’t for her. Jesus.

[@summer.days1105]

Especially nyneave who is in so much denial..

[@TheCthultist]

If the books are any indication, don’t expect it to get any better… ever…

[@kendalmoraes8866]

@@TheCthultist that’s bullshit. She’s spent the entire season keeping their asses safe.

[@nidsalim7911]

@@TheCthultist nah it gets better at AMoL

[@esterzach]

@@TheCthultist Well there is this moment when some random new guy asks "Who is this woman?" and he gets slapped on the back of his head by someone with no explanation, so... But yeah I get what you are saying.

[@kayanlima4437]

Moiraine is just so badass.

[@derekdude2296]

“Is that a heron mark sword!!!?!?” said no one for six episodes

[@WkurzonaWrona]

I miss it too. Lan must have notice that.

[@javiermichaels3144]

It can fetch for a good price. LOL

[@BlackCatsyrago]

Oh you stupid boy Jk you haven't read the books have you the sword was with him when they left Emonds field and they all knew he got it from his father tam and he did not himself earn it....In the 2nd book Lan was teaching rand how to use it to live up to the swords reputation so yea not really a surprise no one asked....

[@masterlg8139]

this clip should've ended when Moiraine scolded Nynaeve

[@Possum-ht5rq]

her outfit is fire tho

[@RecklessFables]

Really, the one thing they truly nailed for me was the costuming. It was better than I imagined from reading the books.

[@3ANW888]

Right, lapis lazuli everything Royalty unmatched😍

[@Hylas67]

Rosamund Pike is an extroardinary actress

[@jess-dn4th]

this scene was so cool

[@thebeesknees5850]

the fact that everyone else in that room was a male who cant see her weaves and is just watching moiraine tpose at mat until he stops seizing

[@tailboat]

can they see the black energy though?

[@bluelight17]

It kills me how Lan didn't mention Rand's sword even once. Literally all the soldiers in Caemlyn started acting as if Rand was the most dangerous person in the room when they noticed it.

[@Aethelia]

Much like braid tugging, I'm okay with not being reminded of the Heron every 15 seconds. It doesn't work for a show with limited time, and is insulting to viewers like "Hey did you people who didn't read the books notice this last time? We're going to show you again because we think you're all idiots". This was a good change.

[@bluelight17]

@@Aethelia sorry but i don't get it. How is Lan mentioning what the heron marked sword is an insult to viewers? I've seen plenty of non book readers wondering what it meant since they showed it in the first ep and never explained it. They kept showing stuff like the Dragon fang with zero explanation too, same for the horn coming out of nowhere. Most reactions to the horn where like "oh ok...no idea why i should be impressed". Many didn't even get why they introduced Loial in the first place since he was barely there. For a show with a limited time they had no problems spending it on way too long made up plots and teenage relationship drama, when it really wouldn't have taken much time to sprinkle some info about those stuff through the season.

[@dave29123]

​@@bluelight17 I only read the first book, but I do specifically remember how everyone would freak out when they saw that sword.

[@KabbalahSherry]

@@bluelight17 - I agree, cuz the only reason how I knew any of that stuff you just mentioned was important, is because I've watched videos about the books. Otherwise the show sure as hell didn't explain it. 😕 I enjoyed the show, don't get me wrong... but they DO need to spend more time on world building & explaining these things, cuz there's too much sh*t coming up later that's gonna make all of that needed.

[@johnlloyddy7016]

Carrying that sword was the equivalent to some unknown kid walking into a room carrying a lightsaber in the Star Wars universe. Everyone would take immediate notice and be wary of him.

[@WinterlyHeights]

Love a good exorcism scene One of my faves of the season

[@visionaryclips3867]

Such an awesome scene.

[@RoboticDoom]

I love this scene so much

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

She's beautiful

[@morgan145able]

This scene works well as a decent "exorcism" moment, but compared to what they had to do in the books just to half-fix this problem, it's hard not to be disappointed. Give me everything in this scene, except in some White Tower basement surrounded by linked Aes Sedai, and the Amyrlin using a sa'angreal (a tool that massively boosts their strength for the laymen) in Moiraines place, and this would have been so powerful to watch.

[@fanghur]

The frustrating part is that they absolutely could have done it that way. They easily could have ended this scene with Moiraine screaming at Lan and Rand to bring him to the White Tower, and in the next scene have her and the other Aes Sedai do this. I have no idea why they didn’t do it that way. 😔

[@nikkananda7602]

in the books too it was Aes Sedai that cures Mat, although it was just temporary he'll still clings to the dagger but it won't control him although, I don't remember Rand being so aggressive when meeting Aes Sedai in Carmleyn he was overjoyed when he saw Aes Sedai also she had Egwene & Perrin with her when she found them in that Inn in Cramleyn disclaimer: just read the book haven't watched this series

[@johnlloyddy7016]

And we miss seeing Mat barking orders to Aes Sedai and cavalrymen in the old tongue. And drub Gawynn and Galad in a two vs one sparring match under the watchful eyes of the Warders in Tar Valon.

[@SageKayDee]

Now THAT is an exorcism!

[@Concepcion30]

But seriously though, when Lan took them to the haunted city, he did say touch nothing and eat only the food they brought. However, they were there for almost a full day and Lan should have realized some of them would have the attention span of a gnat. Not only should he have been reiterating what he said, but he also shouldn't have let any of them out of his sight. I know his concern at the time was Moraine. But she was right to wake and accuse him of killing them all.

[@carlosmark3214]

I had so much hope for this. 😢

[@lynxvex]

Matt seems very corruptible of all the 4 supposed Dragons -- it makes it even more organic that he didn't want to follow them through the Ways

[@matthewhelland9258]

Can you blame him? Moiraine all but said anyone who wasn't the dragon would die.

[@ananyafrederick2524]

@Fluffy Scorpion haha... you mean 3 supposed dragons. Woman cant be a Dragon reborn. There are lots of reasons for that. You will have to take my word for it that having a Female Dragon would break the very fundamentals of the world thats been built. Now, Matt. If they dont mess up the story and keep matts story, be ready to love him. In this situation he is corrupted by the dagger, which is messing up his memories and making him paranoid. When he is fully healed you will love him. ""Lets toss the dice".

[@Gandharva456]

That's only because of how poorly he's been portrayed in this series. In the books, Mat never abandons his friends. He is witty and likable. While he is street-smart, he's no criminal. This show did him dirty.

[@Adotworm]

@@Gandharva456He wasn't really supposed to heave his friends, though, was he? They had to re-write didn't they?

[@soleilfray6397]

⁠@@ananyafrederick2524how would the dragon being female break the fundamental rules? Not trying to fight btw, I’m genuinely asking.

[@meckymeck2]

I see the wheel of time directors have been watching Venom a lot, huh? Hehehe.

[@nataliee.parker2873]

You gotta hand it to a show that can make you relieved at seeing a demonic possesion...

[@portalkey5283]

I know it's fantasy but that pull looked like it felt sooooo satisfying

[@saeres9288]

This show and a close friend is why I finally started reading the books. More than half way done with the first book and I fucking love it. As a new book reader, this show is actually a pretty good adaptation.

[@minun5]

Wait till you realize the show's characters' development are in a diff path than the books.

[@AtaiMuratbekov]

Well after the show I finished all 14 books in 2 months or less. Although many points were left unanswered. Maybe in the show they will.

[@saeres9288]

@@minun5 you are right. After reading book 1, im most disappointed in the shows portrayal of perrin. I have other show compaints, but perrin is definitely the biggest. Also, im halfway through book 4!

[@crunchyoats1862]

@@saeres9288 well, in the books people think perrin's slow-witted when he's just a careful thinker but that characterization is delivered via inner monologue. it's hard to translate that to a visual medium since an actor's performance is subjective.

[@saeres9288]

@@crunchyoats1862 idk. It says ppl think of perrin as slow-witted, but that seems to be more of perrins beliefs than actual reality. When perrin makes a decision, these characters follow. With that said, ive slowed down a bit, but im a quarter through book 6. At this point, book 2 and 5 are my favorites. Book 2 is my all time fav so far because of Rand's reluctant ascension to a lord and the dragon reborn. Rand, loial, and yurrin are my favorite group so far in the series. I had so much fun with that story. With that said, i dont like the aiel very much. I find them boring and horribly underwhelming

[@JuliusLeal]

0:15 0:22 What is the name of the shade/color of Moiraine Damodred's dress and earrings? As a severely colorblind person, that is the most beautiful color I've seen 😍😍😍

[@EthanJMoe]

Blue would be the simple answer but I’m not exactly sure what type of blue.

[@jacksonmackenzie8549]

Looks like ultramarine to me. Ultramarine pigment was made with powdered lapis lazuli, which the stones in her earrings probably are.

[@JuliusLeal]

@@jacksonmackenzie8549 thank you!

[@myrkwood4741]

Whats theme song here?

[@saysHotdogs]

I hope this is just part of Mat's healing because this spans three books. I suspect it's why he stayed behind while the rest went to Fal Dara

[@emmanuelabuchi6489]

Moiraine gives some sort of ROYALTY/MORDSITH blend in this dress

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

I expected the city to be bigger and busier and the streets to be wider and more bustling and complex

[@rmo9808]

Budget. Older cities are pretty similar in design. There wasn't much need for wide streets and defensively speaking they were a liability

[@ultraboykj]

This scene was so fuggin awesome as much as I wish it was more book accurate ( yeah yeah, whine whine )

[@H2Dwoat]

Hi, I’m not sure if you have read the books but distrust of AES Sedai was well earned.

[@teriddax3692]

Makes sense. They're at the Tower already, it would be redundant to go back. Plus the viewers might not put up with this version of Mat for 2.5 seasons. If we can get to the new Mat faster, I'm all for it. I do wonder if season 2 will combine books 2-3, there's less personal motivation now, and I remember book 2 as a goose chase for a large portion of it. We shall see what 2022 brings.

[@ciaran2745]

I don't think Mat is completely cured, like at all. He went back to Tar Valon at the end, so I think we will still get a proper healing sequence. I also hope they don't condense those 2 books, and rather spend more time amending the problems with Season 1 and getting it back on track, like we never even got to see Caemlyn for crying out loud

[@4321Enjoy]

in the books it's explained why they are so stubborn and untrusting of aes sedai

[@TastyGamingQc]

I like the imagery here. So if I understood (haven’t read the books or watched the show) she was purging the "taint" from him bc he channeled/used a magical item, and as a man it causes him to become corrupted right ? Bc of the whole apocalyptic thing that happened with the one power or something ? I liked especially that the corruption was shown not being ingested even tho it covered her entire mouth.

[@erinknightingale251]

The dark ones taint and shadar Lahore taint (the knife) are very different, it becomes an important plot point later on.

[@JustZome]

10/10.

[@3ANW888]

After this Matt was no more to seen in the series?

[@boxfox2945]

I wonder when Jain farstrider will be introduced? I never understood that in the book. Seems like he would be near immortal, to been alive.

[@anthonycrayne2835]

Has moiraine used her angreal at all in the series?

[@clarachikojo6399]

😅

[@divaslive6953]

Is that Ryan Philippe the curly blond guy? He looks like Ryan.

[@brianleap5830]

All I can say is be patient with the Two Rivers folk. They start out pretty annoying yes. They are small minded, inexperienced, and non-worldly here in the beginning. In the books they're teens. The show aged them but a lot of their behavior is teenage pettiness and arrogance. They all get a lot better but there's a lot of character growth to be done. That's part of the fun of the series. They start out as self-absorbed kids and grow into heroes. For those bashing Mat, Mat in the latter books is for real my favorite character. He's fun and badass. But, other than Rand, his journey of growth is the longest. It'll be a a while before he becomes bearable though the beginning here is very much his low point. All I can say is be patient and stay tuned.

[@rycroftphilostratem3536]

I hope so because since the beginning of the series I hate Mat

[@aylinpatacsil846]

They're Two Rivers folk. They're supposed to be petty and arrogant and annoying most of all. I just remembered, did Perrin actually learn to fight? In the books, Rand trains. Mat has the benefit of... you know, that thing. But who trains Perrin or does he just hack and slash?

[@RikkiTea]

woman casually made a darkin weapon

[@mtsmatt2173]

Would have been so much better had it stuck to the books.

[@tywinlannister2208]

Is it just me or does it look like an earthbending stance @1:56?

[@maevarusso4335]

You are my life you are my Universal you are a beautiful boy love you Daniel 🌹 your smile Is fantastic ❤️

[@sharonmccoy4535]

Why wouldn't Lan look at Matt or the knife?

[@ChordChaserz]

Moraine: Fool of a took🙄😒

[@filetandrelease8299]

And the producer deleted one of the best book sceens which occured just afterwards, the practice match between an exhausted Matt and the two swordsmen.

[@Ancksunamun150]

Thats on book two. After the Aes Sedai remove the link from the dagger completely.

[@lauramcknight2321]

@@Ancksunamun150 book 3 actually.

[@ciaran2745]

Nope, that doesn't happen until Book 3

[@michal621]

не не...лучше весь цикл перечитать очередной раз

[@lunassr7212]

suport respect movie made Salout...!

[@x-men69-96]

2:21 If you notice, Rand can see the weave. Therefore, he is the dragon

[@erinknightingale251]

even the dragon cannot see women weaving. Women use saidar (the female half of the one power), while men use saidin (the male half).

[@x-men69-96]

@@erinknightingale251ok, but I mean the dark weave.

[@erinknightingale251]

@@x-men69-96 the taint on shadar Lagoth isn’t an evil weave at all. It’s this unexplained evil from that particular city alone. If you read the books, you’ll learn more about it and the canon evil weave :)

[@x-men69-96]

@@erinknightingale251 The point is Rand can see it. Therefore, he is the dragon

[@bloodmachinebutbloodier]

All of this shit wouldn't have happened if an arrogant Aes Sedai whose last name is taken from a plane the speed of sound hadn't fucking refused to assist Lews Therin

[@MrDannolan]

So this scene already ruins one of the main plot lines of the great hunt

[@manuelcarrera306]

POR QUE CHINGADOS DICE LATINO SI NI SUBTÍTULOS TIENE WTF KZbin

[@plankthereturn]

She could have just said she wasn’t goin got hurt him or something. This is unnecessary conflict.

[@ScrapperSam]

I thought this was going to be a good series.

[@edwarda2033]

Pretty lame thus far.

[@blacksheba41]

It's TV. You expect too much.

[@Kopp203]

Such a stronk, independent, lgbt badass wahmen is Moiraine - considering in the original work it took an entire circle of Aes Sedai and a heavyweight angreal to do what she accomplishes here solo.

[@713Tankbuster]

You know she was gay in the books right.... and it doesn't have to be a direct adaptation from show to book right....

[@Kopp203]

@@713Tankbuster She was not gay.

[@deut]

@@Kopp203 she was, read New Spring :)

[@Kopp203]

@@deut No, she wasn't. You're talking about the pillow friends thing. Didn't make them gay.

[@MetalCharlo]

@@Kopp203 she was 100% and you are factually wrong.

[@hugoortega195]

Wow this is a quintessential example of the book being way better than the show. I am glad I never watched this I would be screaming, this is WOT in name only.

[@rogerweston7450]

The way they messed up WOT is exactly what they're doing to LOTR:The Rings of Power, except much worse. But they weren't counting on the size of the Tolkien fandom or the backlash they've been getting. I won't be watching anymore WOT and I certainly will not be watching the LOTR:TROP. Well done Amazon.....

[@Lucysurridge]

I can only hope that it was so messed up because of covid and because of the actor playing mat leaving. I'm still gonna watch season 2 in the hope that they can salvage it which they still can if they listen to the fans and stop changing things about the lore that are vital.

[@hugoortega195]

@@Lucysurridge doubtful it's clear the showrunners are in their own little bubble and think this was the best way to represent Robert Jordan's world and story. It's also clear no one who was in charge of approving all this even read the series, let alone understood anything about it.

[@artemis5265]

@@hugoortega195 OK but to people who don't read dusty ass books this is a decent show lol same for the witcher you only hate the show because you read the books

[@hugoortega195]

@@artemis5265 dusty old books? This book series started in the NINETIES it isn't classic literature it's written like a TV show /movie.

[@rkbkirin5975]

This series is a freaking travesty that ignores the novels, lacks any of their charm or characterization and thinks it can tell a better story. It can't. You'd think Hollywood would learn by now to respect the original work when they try their adaptations.

[@allenburton7681]

warning SPOILERS AHEAD: In the books, the boys (who become men) from two rivers have many reasons to not trust aes sedai. They aren't just "foolish boys"... one of the reasons not portrayed in the show (and an inconsistency with the book) is where Matrim found the dagger. He took the dagger because he grew up poor, and thought he could sell it during their travels. The dagger in the book was found in a treasure room with Rubys and gold piled to the ceiling and chests full of gold and diamonds. The environment enticed and enchanted him enough to take something. Thats not a foolish precedent, even though in the book they were warned not to touch anything, they were never told why. One very important reason Mat and Rand don't trust aes sedai (we find out later anyway), that the tower has a faction called the black ajah, and the red aes sedai are primarily concerned with bringing down all men (all false dragons and the dragon reborn) who can channel. The bond portrayed between the three two rivers boys, and even between the two women from two rivers, does not translate whatsoever to the screen. This superficial dynamic where they all hug each other doesn't feel heartfelt to most of us watching the show because there has been no character development to establish the bond they are all supposed to have with each other. It also becomes an interesting conflict later too, when Rand develops his talents as the dragon and begins to fulfill prophecies, he agonizes over using his closest friends as pawns to prepare for the final battle because he cares about them too much. Without the character development to establish that bond, it raises a big question as to where the TV adaptation is going. Also in the books, Mats evil persona builds very gradually. It gets really bad, and this condensed version through a few episodes does not do the gravity that evil portrays in the story justice at all. It takes a group of aes sedai to only partially heal Mat and sever him from the dagger. He develops holes in his memory, and to say the least he is never the same person after that. The great thing about Robert Jordans storytelling is that he personifies the struggle that the characters are forced to go through, and the idea that even with channelling, not every conflict is resolved completely. The evil in the books is that great. So when Moiraine prances into that room and heals Mat from the dagger in 2 minutes, its a huge letdown because it cheapens the story dynamic. Rafe Judkins does not know how to tell a good story.

[@rmo9808]

It's not going to get any better. Every one of these books are dense and 8-10 episodes in a season won't do them justice.

[@aDifferentKind_ofHuman]

Im not going to read that.

[@Concepcion30]

This show has a strong rating so far, that means the TV adaptation is doing something right. Since I haven't read the books, I don't know if this first season covered one or multiple books. But given how many novels there are in the series, there's plenty of material to get through which should equal several seasons. I get what you're saying about the bond between the friends not being fleshed out. But the showrunners have to be careful not to slow down the pace of the storyline or viewers may lose interest.

[@allenburton7681]

@@Concepcion30 I wish the ratings were truthful, but its well known that people can be hired to write good ratings for different websites (metacritic and rotten tomatoes to name a few) in order to increase hype for a show. With the amount of money that Amazon has, it would be unusual if they didn't hire an ad agency to conflate the numbers to make the show seem better than it is. So don't think they are doing something right just because people (supposedly) like it. The first season completely butchers the first three books, changes character arcs, story lines, and makes several mistakes and omits or changes the story dynamics to a point where it will be nearly impossible to tell an even better story later in the tv series without doing either some serious damage control or changing the story even further to fit the dynamic. At this point I think its irredeemable. I wish the developers for this show actually used the material from the books to make this series, but its obvious they didn't. I encourage you to read the books, as they are a thousand times better. People generally don't lose interest in a good story, even if the pace is slow, as long as it's developing into something emotionally and tangibly meaningful. I am afraid the show is so fast paced and filled with irrelevant story arcs and plot holes, that the characters have no time to develop into what they are supposed to be. I for one have already lost interest. And it's without expecting everyone to know or have a degree in storytelling, or for those that have taken a good writing class. The screen adaptation of the story is in shambles. I think I form that conclusion from reading a really good book that I see being torn to shreds on the big screen. I think if it takes more than a month for season 2 to come around, nobody is going to watch it. It's that forgettable because there was nothing in the first season that emotionally pulled in the audience and kept them hooked.

[@joycechacko8207]

@@allenburton7681 I've read all the books but haven't yet watched the series. I agree with you on the point that the books sort of explain why the Two Rivers folks don't trust Aes Sedai. Aes Sedai always have their own agendas going on. But even when I was reading the book, I did get irritated at them (especially Nynaeve). For some reason, Robert Jordan's characterisation of female characters started becoming pretty skewed and annoying (mostly the fifth book onwards). And the pace started slacking as well, almost as if he wanted to stretch the story to several books. So I'm not sure if an absolute book adaptation that follows the characterisation and pace might be a good idea. But yes, just this clip sort of disappointed me. The show's characters don't do justice to the characters in the book.

[@Ellis_Hugh]

I keep forgetting (or blocking out) how bad this 'adaptation' is... for anyone considering reading the books, be prepared - this show is Wheel of Time in name only yet will probably somehow manage to spoil all the best parts of the books. You're better turning it off entirely until you get through the entire series. Seriously. A deep dive was done and they figured out that roughly 7% - 9% of what happens on-screen actually happens in the books, and even that bit of it is often misrepresented.

[@BBQJester]

we don't care, just enjoy the show!

[@marquisewilson7335]

The show runners stated that this is a different turning of the wheel than in the books, the books are also too elaborate for them to do it exactly the same in the show. It would cost billions of dollars and cgi that just doesn’t exist quite frankly. I think this was a safe and pretty good adaptation of the books

[@Ellis_Hugh]

@@marquisewilson7335 Nobody - NOBODY - ever expected them to do the exact same thing as in the books. That's not what this is. The showrunner said from the beginning that one of his biggest goals was to 'fix' Jordan's 'problematic writing', specifically his embrace of the binary nature of masculine and feminine roles in society. If you have a philosophical problem with that, why on earth would you adapt a much-beloved series of books where that was the foundation of the entire narrative in the first place? I could go on with countless examples of why this is a bad-faith 'adaptation', but that's granting the premise that's it's an adaptation at all, and quite simply it's not? It's been determined that between 4% and 7% of what we see on screen we saw in the books. Think about that - not even 10% of the show is what Jordan wrote. That's not because over 90% of it was too expensive to film. They didn't make Mat's dad a drunk because it was too expensive to do otherwise. They didn't make Nynaeve and Egwene Ta'veren because it was too expensive not to, they didn't make Warders cry at the drop of a hat and cuddle together by the fire due to budgetary reasons, they didn't repeatedly take key moments away from the male characters and give them to the female characters because it was less expensive to do so. The simple fact of the matter is that this show was made by people who hate the books expressly for people who had never read the books. It was both an insult and an assault on Robert Jordan's work and the people who have loved it for decades, and it was done for ideological reasons alone.

[@StacyBells0806]

they messed everything up. they made moiraine the solution to all the problems, when in fact she is not even remotely as powerful as egwene, let alone nyneave,

[@Thescott16]

Looks like they took the visuals straight out of M. Night Shyamalan's crappy Avatar movie...

[@junesmind7325]

He didn't scream out Taishar Manetheren!!!!!! I officially hate this.

[@Akemaste]

Ugh this makes me so mad. This show could have been so great and still could be. I honesty love the actors even if some are a bit stiff. They really feel part of the world. In another timeliness HBO got hold of it and gave it the first few seasons of GoT treatment. Such a rich world. Such juicy lore. It feels like an uncleaned and unpolished gem. But its worth still shines through in some parts like here. You can see how dangerous and just plain nasty the the taint of Shaddar Logoth is. Chills. The actors and us fans deserve better! Beezzzzoooossssss!!!!!! >:(

[@Prady782]

I hope rand is not dragon

[@anthonycrayne2835]

Too bad.

[@boxfox2945]

In this scene to, the book was better..

[@idealsAREisomorphic]

Bro, the Moraine actress is great, the magic portrayal is cool, but everything else about this show fucking sucks, it’s such a waste of talent by Rosamund Pike and the visual effects team.

[@choke2122]

Should have stayed with the books would have made a better show.

[@alexanderrose1556]

It absolutely would not have. There are so many boring chapters and pointless parts in the eye of the world (a book which i love) hell the audio book alone is 36 hours long, you cant make it 1-1 into a telivision show, hell i am a super fan and i wouldnt watch it if it was 1-1 with the book, they did a great job making it into an actual show the majority of people (and not the small bunch of whiny book fans) would actually enjoy.

[@allenburton7681]

It really would have! If they just strictly took the best elements from the books and adapted them to screen it would be a thousand times better. This garbage with inconsistencies and character arcs and cameos that will go absolutely nowhere is disappointing. Rafe Judkins needs to go back to storytelling 101 and first develop the characters, explain the conflicts, build to the climax, and resolve the conflict. None of that is established in the tv series. We don't even know what the dragon reborn is or why he has to exist, because nobody has bothered to explain it in any context that does it appropriately.

[@hellgast0]

@@alexanderrose1556 "There are so many boring chapters and pointless parts in the eye of the world " so replace it with worse parts that were not in the books instead? The whole Steppin storyline was absolutely not necessary, the whole "who is the dragon" mystery was boring, dragged out and ruined any character development the characters would've had. Book fans aren't whiny, they are utterly disappointed with how much they spit on Robert Jordan's story. The "1:1 book to show" argument is such a straw man, that literally NO ONE claims they wanted or expected. That's such a disingenuous argument to defend how bad the show was, and you know it.

[@Aethelia]

@@hellgast0 You guys always claim to represent all book fans... well you don't. You are in the minority. And you are whiny, you just don't like it that we're calling you out on it.

[@hellgast0]

@@Aethelia i didn't claim anything, i am not in the minority here love, and you keep whining about people whining, how boring can you get.

[@sarfaraz.hosseini]

How constantly ungrateful they are toward Moiraine, constantly ignoring her and getting into s*it, really killed my reading of the books, I stopped halfway through the third one, that and the really poorly written endings of each book. I enjoy the show, but this isn't as well written as GOT.

[@terrycoley2422]

The book is much better

[@flame_ofhope]

This CGI looks so bad i can't...

[@kojbo]

Huh, they all speak the same generic british accent...

[@Concepcion30]

I do believe one of the Blues has a thick Scottish brogue. 😋

[@kojbo]

@@Concepcion30 my friend, in the books the two rivers folk have quite a bit distinct accent from the rest of Andor cause they are isolated, and here they speak like Moiraine who is from a whole different country, sooo why not go with american accent, why not welsh or australian, heck even kiwi... Why not actually show us they are from different parts of the continent? We always get the fucking same british accent all the fucking time in fantasy, this one even isn't based on medieval england.

[@ciaran2745]

Whilst true, that is by far and away not the biggest thing wrong with this show

[@chenlv3457]

Seriously I'm getting bored now can we just say the red hair guy is the dragon now and get it over with like for real who does the see that sure they're all gifted with immense great power and have made it known let's use our Common Sense here It's usually the ones that are you know stupid Headstrong no signs of powers or anything affecting them am I getting close let's just call a spade a spade is the red hair guy

[@puppy6688]

Buy the book and skip to the part where it reveals the who the dragon is, instead of you whining over there. Lol

[@vishalsanjay4017]

I've read the books, and you can't be more wrong. Rand is just an errand boy for the Aes Sedai.

[@derekdude2296]

I don’t think you understand. People want yo see made up lesbian sex scenes. Not character development for your three male main characters. This is a show about women after all!

[@Ψυχήμίασμα]

@@derekdude2296 There isn't even development or focus on your other 2 main female characters. It's like if someone adapted the Harry Potter books into a TV show, and instead of the show being about Harry, Hermione and Ron, it's about how Snape and Dumbledore were secretly banging.

[@Uouttooo]

There is no guarantee that the show will follow the book. So it is pointless to say who is the Dragon Reborn at this point. It might be all of them. A dragon with many heads.

[@donnasmith6117]

Morain's arrogance didn't help.

[@JMLCK78]

Is it me or the sets look kinda cheap? Especially for a series that claims to have a $25 million per episode budget.

[@aengusog3415]

It’s just you

[@VincentLarkin1]

Crap

[@The_Deaf_Aussie]

Worst shownever.. they butchered the novels. It's nothing like the novels at all.

[@Anti-Groomer]

Well, it seems very....diverse....if nothing else. I won't be too hard on them though since the source material is so generic. I started reading this series years ago and it was just too cheesy and lame and predictable. It is the same as a thousand other books. Same book, same plot, same characters but with different names. The Witcher...Wheel of Time......why do they keep making shows based on crap books? Why not make a show on a good series instead? The Malazan series would be an amazing TV show. Instead they pick something corny and unoriginal like WoT. Then to make it even worse, they make a woke version of it, just to insure that it fails.

[@BBlackmen]

I got to watch this