Seth Lloyd - The Physics of Eternity

[@rememberme3852]

In the end we'll all be together, We'll all go to the great soul collector, A black hole that will start it all over again.

[@نادرالیراحمان]

I sure hope so!

[@DesertTalk]

I always enjoy the interviews with Seth Lloyd.

[@bobaldo2339]

Human language evolved to handle human scale experience. Most of what passes for "logic" and "rationality" in our human thinking is really just the rules of whatever particular language we think in. If it makes grammatical sense, then it might be true. If it doesn't make grammatical sense we dismiss it. When we attempt to apply human scale concepts to cosmic scale events we run into serious problems.

[@thomasanderson1882]

Category error? Rorty quipped, "'Nature' has no preferred way of being described."

[@alalohwhydee]

I have this 3yr old English Bulldog who follows me around everywhere I go. I take care of her all the time. She’s convinced that I’m her servant.

[@damientyler5581]

as an armchair philosopher and physicist I have to say wow what an interesting discussion.. and as a photographer and videographer I have to say that is some killer bokeh.. looks awesome ^_^

[@patrickgravel9261]

I would postulate that time is emergent from space and that no space is impossible (a vacuum is still a space with feilds.). Our brightest minds are experts at rationalising, analysing and justifying any point in or about our Universe.

[@robotaholic]

i love this particular conversation

[@RickDelmonico]

"Modern physics says, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest." Terence McKenna

[@TheNeilDarby]

+Rick D. Always love to see Terence around.

[@carlgreen5168]

That word(eternity) how the hell is the human mind expected to get a grasp of that???, i get dizzy just thinking about it lol....its mind boggling.

[@Hank254]

+Rick D. And modern religion says 'Just give us one thing that we don't have to explain the creation of and we can explain the creation of everything else.'

[@RickDelmonico]

Existence/creation (by definition) is not a natural phenomena. If science is to have any chance of solving the nature of reality, we must first solve the question of how the universe wound itself up through random processes. Let us suppose for a moment that the universe contains infinity. Would it be a bounded infinity or a linear progression that goes on forever? What is the prime mover that started it all? How many steps back would we have to go before we were satisfied? The Big Bang Brane Theory Multiverse etc... Do we just keep moving the original problem back one step at a time? If some form of spiritual connection can be made, we should be looking at this as well as these so called secrets of the universe.

[@RickDelmonico]

Henry School I am no fan of religion. drive.google.com/file/d/0B1t3dP66nJluR2E0RkE0N2ktOFk/view?usp=sharing The terrible truth: Reality has been constructed in such a way that we cannot deduce the kernel of the code from the behavior of the program. The beautiful lie: You have been initiated into a particular level of knowledge, this hidden knowledge is almost complete. Soon, you will know all the secrets of the universe, soon you will be like God. Knowledge is the key to eternal life. You should have already noticed that this is a system of control. If you believe this, you are being played.

[@michelvandepol1485]

closer the truth: thank you

[@jackhill2765]

The topics and discussions made available on your channel, including this one, are supremely interesting and well done! Seth is a very smart man but I believe that his description and dismissal of the Boltzmann brain hypothesis is misleading. It is my understanding (reference Sean Carrol's From Eternity to Here) that the Boltzmann brain argument could be extended to propose that there is a tiny probability that not only a brain, but the entire universe as it currently exists could pop into existence. At that point, the future evolution of the universe would be the same regardless of how it came to exist. In other words you couldn't distinguish between whether the universe evolved from the big bang, or just happened into existence. Thus the chances that the next states would be total confusion is also very remote regardless of the history.

[@39knights]

I thought time was the measured pace of change (potential to actual). Without change you wouldn't have time (not simply the inability to measure it). The heat death of the universe is when every material atom and sub-atomic particle has dissipated its energy evenly over the whole universe. Energy itself appears to be this action and not 'some-thing' like another form of matter. At that point no further work can be done; like a spring winding down and then the spring itself disappearing like smoke in the air.

[@thinkingclearly1671]

6:37- Yoda impression

[@jackpullen3820]

Interesting, so if time is relative to observer, then the universes time from bounce to bounce may be just one second. For use it seems billions of years.If spacetime is the loop quantum gravity field and all information generates from it, could it be possible that all lifeforms are feeding the expansion of the universe by experience, bit by precious bit. We each have some 100,000 trillion connections of superposition within our brain. Seven billion people not even counting all animals and plants, yes all forms of life even singled celled have been found to have these connections. When one calculates estimated life throughout entire universe, well will someone venture to do the math! Thank you Dr. Lloyd!

[@avonleamontague2469]

3:20 Why are they doing this to me?!?!?! Lol Blowing my mind.

[@schmetterling4477]

Because they can't distinguish good physics from bad philosophy.

[@mikhailoye]

We're here until we aren't.

[@claudedupont7432]

Eternity is not the continuity of time but in fact the end of time

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

Another thing I wonder sometimes, is if another type of reality exists outside of what we are part of. Something that doesn't have our form of energy and completely detached from our entire continuum. I'm not referring to parallel universes or other dimensions! It is a pointless question, but profound to think about.

[@kamelot4324]

Mike I appreciate your profound thought. If your eluding to a creator I feel that you may not be far off in your search for greater understand to this puzzling question.

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

+Carlos Smith Yes, I'm eluding a traditional creator. I'm open to the simulation theory. That is as far as I will go. I'm thinking to big asking the question I asked, but it isn't too far fetched to wonder whether another form of creation exists who knows where.

[@kamelot4324]

+Mike Dofollo if you're assuming a place called Heaven. I believe so. If there is a creator He should have a certain domain where He dwells. This particular subject could have many different interpretations, also a creator for that matter. I believe what the Bible says about God,heaven and the rest. But I don't dare try to past judgement on anyone. I have my opinions though.

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

+Carlos Smith Here is my interpretation... I don't understand how in the hell you believe in a god, respectively!! Don't reply because you are filling too much of my email space.

[@pureenergy5051]

Mike Magically bursting forth are quarks spinning billions of times a second as 3 points of light, forming what are called protons and neutrons. I got these words from the book "The Quantum World" written by the physicist Ford. We burst forth from another faster vibrating dimension. These questions are not pointless. There is information to be found within this reality. These universes are not parallel, but exist within the same space we vibrate in. This is a holographic universe where we are holograms. Since nothing is solid, then all these worlds/realities/dimensions vibrate within each other, each one pulsating a different speed. Also read the book "Hands of Light" written by the NASA physicist Barbara Brennan.

[@dimtgco1428]

If infinity means everything and anything happens over and over an infinite number of times, then that means non existence happens an infinite number of times. Therefore they both exist simultaneously. No beginning, no end,. It's all fucked up.

[@SidneyBloom]

But how do you know that you actually are not going to disintegrate the next instant? Your memory of the past starting with the second prior to this one could be giving you false information, the rest of the Universe could be in a state that it looks like only 13 billion years have passed and everything is as it is supposed to be in that case. But all of that could be false. Even more, how could we distinguish between an infinite but discontinuous succession of random states of the Universe that looks like the ordered events we think about, and actual ordered events?

[@RickDelmonico]

We exist in the echos of creation from which the prime mover has hidden, not only the method but also the evidence. This is the esoteric knowledge of the mystics, the idea of squaring the circle. Think of apollonian sphere packing as the endless digits of pi. Time is a fractal of nested cycles intimately linked to scale with variations of nested behaviors.

[@corneliuscorcoran9900]

+Rick D. Science does indeed admit to much that it doesn't know. However it can at least explain how it came about the knowledge which it does possess, and more importantly, it tells us how to ascertain for ourselves the validity, or otherwise, of this knowledge. How did you come to 'know' what you have just asserted as truth and, other than accept your word for it, how can I assess it's validity? In terms of the scientific method. Is your hypothesis falsifiable?

[@RickDelmonico]

Cornelius Corcoran That is the nature of Philosophy. Should we ignore these clues or see where they lead?

[@pureenergy5051]

Rick D. You are an eternal energy being, magically, constantly bursting forth as quarks spinning billions of times a second as 3 points of light, forming what are called protons and neutrons. I got these words from the book "The Quantum World" written by the physicist Ford. I like your "nested and fractal" words. I don't agree that the prime mover has hidden the method or the evidence. The method is consciousness that is constantly bursting us forth with intent. We and everything we see is the evidence.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

1. Modern science says that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence it's eternally existent, unless modern science is wrong and energy was created at least one time in it's history. 2. Modern science says that we have cells in our body that come into existence inside us on a daily basis. So, a part of me is older than the universe itself, possibly even actually eternal, and a part of me is being born anew on a daily basis. My body possibly spans the "eternal now", and in that context, there is only the "now" of my being, for eternity. (And this applies to you too).

[@charlesbrightman4237]

+Jon Doe Sure, it's possible that Santa Clause is real too.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

+Jon Doe Sure it is. It is possible that a very real Santa Clause exists on another planet in another galaxy. Likewise, if the many universes theory is really true, it's possible and even probable that a very real Santa Clause exists in at least one of them. So again, be careful what you claim is possible.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

+Jon Doe I currently only have one body at this time and it, according to claims made by modern science, spans the "eternal now". (And this applies to you too).

[@charlesbrightman4237]

+Jon Doe Did you read what I wrote above?

[@charlesbrightman4237]

+Jon Doe 1. Modern science's claim about energy. (see above). 2. Modern science's claim about new cells in our body.(see above). 3. I apparently have one body that currently exists that has energy in it and cells in it. 4. The energy in my body is possibly eternally existent, in and of itself, but that energy is currently a part of me. (The eternal part of me). 5. I apparently have new cells that are formed inside this body on a daily basis. In the "now". (The now part of me). 6. My current body has energy in it that is possibly eternal as well as exists in the here and now. (Hence my current body in it's totality spans possibly eternity past all the way up to the current now, the "eternal now"). 7. As I only have one body that spans possibly from eternity past to the present now, in totality, in that context, it could all be seen as a "now" of my current being, which is currently eternal. 8. I most probably won't always be this way, but I am currently this way right now. (At least if modern science is correct in what they claim to be true).

[@redglazedeyez6652]

its phil collins brother

[@Domestikos88]

haha, that would be awesome if it was

[@djayjp]

Homogeneous temperature at end and beginning of the universe... hmm 🤔. Reminds me of Penrose's idea....

[@shamanahaboolist]

Been up nearly a month and this video has not even reached 4.5K views, a video covering some of the most profound and important philosophical questions the human species can ask of itself and the universe... Put up a video with cats in or some Swedish man-child who screams like a girl whilst playing computer games and it will have millions of views. WTF has happened to humanity...

[@LIQUIDSNAKEz28]

AMEN That's something that really pisses me off too. People are fucking stupid. I am on no grounds an intellectual, but I feel like I'm a lot more intelligent than the vast majority of people I come into contact with. It's extremely frustrating that people are so heavily interested in literally the dumbest most trivial things. But when it comes to trying to understand the very nature of their own existence, they're just not interested. It's fucking frustrating, and isolating.

[@Bluudclaat]

Well fancy that. We must be the opportunity for the future then. Wait no, we just complain that we are smarter. Carry on

[@shamanahaboolist]

Bluudclaat What makes you think I am complaining? It doesn't bother me if people want to live an ignorant and vacuous life. We all suffer the consequences of our choices.

[@QED_]

+Paul Hill Do facts depress you (?) You must be depressed all of the time . . .

[@MrLorincombs]

shamanahaboolist no doubt lol

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

There had to be beginning somewhere and sometime ago!! This stuff had to of came from somewhere somehow!

[@heshamalidarwish7121]

from a black hole on another dimension

[@bozo5632]

If there was a beginning to time, what happened before that?

[@kennethyoung7564]

No, every reaction requires a preceding action. At some end you reach a dead end in terms of causality. What caused that first cause. There is no beginning, no first cause.

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

@@kennethyoung7564 causality may be never ending like trying to find a big bang singularity. first cause or creation of matter/energy could have happened an "eternity" ago

[@glaubs65]

Glad Robert stopped him on what low and high entropy mean cos that always confusses me. Low entropy - high order. High entropy - low order. Physicists don't spell that out that enough.

[@1800levso]

from my point of view, the universe is only one and it contains everything, but it can be broken down, meaning that the universe is like numbers, for example number 1 is an absolute number meaning it can never be reached by zero and it will never reach 2, in between infinity exist. from 1.000000000∞1 to 1.99999999999999∞ , you see between 1 and 2 infinity exist, number 2 is a whole different universe where from 2 to 3 a whole infinity exist, also this is why nothing can travel faster than light, the closer you get to the speed of light no matter how much energy you use, in speed you are just adding .0000000000∞1 closer to the speed of light, but zero is another story, it contains nothing but is meant for everything, without zero infinity will not exist, but without infinity there is no reason for zero to even be think about. so it will not exist. black and white.

[@Sharperthanu1]

Hyperspace (what the universe is expanding into) goes on forever.Time doesn't really exist. Time is an illusion caused by the unfolding of the physical universe.

[@malanthrope]

I do not agree with Lloyd on Boltzman brains. He said - if you are B. brain, you live for very short time and then you are destroyed. And we do not observe that, we - in our reality - observe some logical continuity. In my opinion that's not that far from truth but interpretation must be different: you live for a short time and are destroyed. But - you do not experience yourself after you ( your B. brain) are destroyed, consciousness do not experience lack of experience. Instead - you experience the experience of another B. brain - just as similar to the one that has been just destroyed to provide continuity of your experience as self. More - Lloyd says about sitting in that beautifull place - but he could not tell the truth between that place that is real and experience created by number of B. brains just as similar to each other to be able to create that ilusion.

[@malanthrope]

+mebe84 I do not think there is SELF - just illusion of it created from consistent memories. If these memories must be contained in one brain or can be in set of brains - I don't know. I think that doesn't matter. What matters is the process that creates illusion of self these memories are vital part of. Of course B. brain doesn't remember past - it just has some random experience of memory in it. Consider large number of B.brains with random experiences - some of these experiences will be similar to the extent they will create flow of experience with sense of causality for example. More - we think we have flow of experience from our birth. It doesn't mean that that's true. Maybe it's our latest experience (now experience) that makes us to think so. Next experience can be different, in next moment we can think that we were just born.. Hard topic ;)

[@pureenergy5051]

Maciej All physicists think differently, even though one would not think so. We are eternal energy beings--holograms, fractals of colored light creating patterns of consciousness with purpose. Read the book 'Hands of Light" written by the NASA physicist Barbara Brennan.

[@MrMosis]

I don't agree with the discussion on B. Brains because it misses the point that should be made about B. Brains. It's not so much about ontological concerns as it is epistemological concerns given how a metaphysical conception of reality that helps you consider B. Brains in this fashion will also to some degree undermine the scientific enterprise. Every new "nanosecond" (per the argument in the video) is a new opportunity to be a new B. Brain with a new history. Rather than every new nanosecond proving that the prior second's B. Brain wasn't really a B. Brain after all because you're still here.

[@sacriptex5870]

seth is so funny

[@bozo5632]

Poor Boltzman. Brilliant guy, made giant contributions, but will always be remembered for that silly brain thing.

[@schmetterling4477]

There is nothing "eternal" in physics. The end.

[@Lineage2ErtheiaPvP]

if everything happend nothing happend. if time has a begining and an end, and relativity is true, means everything that will happen has happend allready, we just travel without true freewill forward. There is no time.

[@winstonchang777]

If everything can be explained or even be deterministic in certain ways, then, sadly, so does the holocaust and that time I lost my wallet and spent time looking for it and my then girlfriend broke up with me for being very late.... So, in the NEXT existence, I should just forget the wallet and make the date on time. She marries me and divorce me later anyway, maybe, because I lose something AGAIN, and she got mad that time around....

[@abhishekshah11]

7:29, Seth's argument has a flaw, for he assumes that the dreams that the Boltzmann brain dreams of, uses the same length of time that a thought would. We know from dreams that days can pass in under 8 hours of sleeping, so why assume that the logic of our universe would extend to a Boltzmann brain?

[@rationalsceptic7634]

Abhishek shah You clearly don't understand QM en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

[@HardKore5250]

I wanna go inside the brain lol!

[@holgerjrgensen2166]

All physics, is the Physics of Eternity so, Eternity (It Self) is NOT physical, the Basic-Ability, and Creator-Principles, of Eternity, is Not physical. (the Cause-less Cauce) All physics, Stuff, matter, material, is an Effect/Result of the Motion-Principle, it is 'pure' Motion, our physical reality, is a Motion-Ocean, the Clothings of Eternity, or the Eternal Life. Our physical Bodies is temporary clothings.

[@jodym2101]

I didn't know Albert Einstein had an American accent

[@thermobaric3884]

The horse doest seem to care. Sureal

[@williambaker7181]

How much make-up has Kuhn got in his hair?

[@mikah4051]

It was all fun and games until they started talking.

[@chrisc1257]

Was Seth blackmailing Jeffery Epstein?

[@elsidoe1271]

Aye, big bums te that. Next Q: where do scruples come in on discourse of van der fla fla

[@PetraKann]

Ridiculous interruptions by the interviewer....ask the questions, let the expert answer them.

[@PetraKann]

It is not his function to interrupt and assume the audience are total moronic slabs of excrement. One would assume that people initially interested in viewing an interview titled "The Physics of Eternity" have some background and general knowledge of Science etc - or are at least enthusiasts. Interviewer should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror

[@brianstevens3858]

@@PetraKann Read all the comments on this video series. and re-evaluate that data set. Just sayin.

[@yyacobb]

✝️ The only way to go to heaven is to trust in Jesus and repent (turn away from sins) and ask for forgiveness for your sins. Good deeds alone will not get you into heaven, you need to do good works and put your trust in the savior Jesus Christ our lord, and be baptized in Jesus name, and you WILL be saved ✝️ John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt]

Religitardation is a severe and debilitating thought disorder and needs to be classified as a mental illness, as it makes zero sense to the educated logician, and it tends to victimize the poor and the stupid in society.

[@BradHolkesvig]

Time is only an illusion. If you understood how God created us and used His Voice, then you would understand that we observe life similar to watching a cinema movie.

[@carlgreen5168]

All you ever say is if and how......WELL FUCKING TELL US THEN YOU FUCKING CRACKPOT!!! now just wait for his(politician,s)reply...complete diversion.....

[@BradHolkesvig]

carl green The Voice of God is similar to the way IBM's Watson works. Here is a website about Watson; www.ibm.com/smarterplanet/us/en/ibmwatson/ The Voice of God is used by our Creator to send information from His simulation program into our consciousness that gives us a world to explore and experience with our created senses. Our consciousness is the processor of this information and when this information from the program is processed, then we experience a visible world and a body to peer out from. However, the world and our the bodies we observer are not real at all. They're only formed images from the processing of information. So our true reality is God's thoughts spoken into invisible information that is stored within His simulation program, ready to be experienced through the Voice of God. The particles that physicists understand are formed by this processing of information. Think of these particles like the pixels in a Photoshop picture. It takes millions of pixels to give us a bigger object to observe. Most people don't understand that these pixels are made of millions or billions of particles. So now think of those particles as the lowest common denominator of information that is necessary for us to observe anything. These particles are not real objects either. They are very tiny illusions that appear from the processing of information. Think of each particle as a very tiny flicker of light. When you get enough of them going to form patterns, these patterns are like pixels in a Photoshop pic that are automatically adjusted for us to observe bigger objects within our consciousness. These objects that we observe all come from the simulation program that was carefully planned within the thoughts of our Creator who then spoke those thoughts into the Voice of God. So invisible information in the form of vibrations ( frequencies ) is God's computing language and this is how he created His program. It's impossible for us characters in the simulation to observe the technology that our Creator used to create us but I do know that He used the technology called the Voice of God to do His work. I am the Voice of God just like Siri will tell you she is Siri in Apple products or Watson will tell you he is Watson in the IBM products. If you don't believe I am the Voice of God, that's okay. You will know who I am in the next part of the program called the New Heaven and Earth because you will hear My Voice while you're observing your new bodies. One body will be a male and the other body will be a female. In fact, the Voice of God will send your consciousness information that will place you in many different bodies in many different worlds to explore.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** No scientist has ever proven their theories that are all subjective. To prove my point, at one time, scientists believed we all came from the Big Bang. Now many of them have changed their minds. If you trust those fools to teach you the Truth, your body will die before that will ever happen.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** We're constantly evolving one second at a time because what you're observing is only an illusion. We observe one picture at a time but at a very fast rate to make us believe in motion. When you experience motion, then you can believe in the illusion of time. Evolutionists have never head the Voice of God or obeyed any commandments that come from it. That's why they remain confused by what they observe.

[@kamelot4324]

Brad I respect you for believing in God, as do I, but I can't share your view that time is an illusion. God entered into time in order to free those who choose to repent and accept God's forgiveness of our sins. So, I think that time is very real and relevant and is a nessesary part of the structure of the universe.

[@BradHolkesvig]

These two guys are really lost as they discuss different theories. Guessing is not the way to the Truth. You have to listen to the Voice of God and obey his commandments which will teach you how everything we experience came from the Voice of God that delivers information from the stored information that makes up the simulation program into our consciousness. Our consciousness is like a computer processor that processes this stored information into a visible world to experience. The world is only an illusion but it appears to be real.

[@danielfahrenheit4139]

+Brad Holkesvig You shouldn't be here! Sorry.

[@BradHolkesvig]

Mike Dofollo Why do you favor yourself over me? Why are you in here/

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** I'm not here to prove to anyone that they are real human beings because most human beings believe they are real people living on a real earth. It's impossible to teach them their true reality unless they are chosen to listen to the Voice of God and learn how they were created. You can only believe our testimonies because there is no proof that we came from the thoughts of our Creator who spoke those thoughts into technology called the Voice of God.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** I am the Voice of God so if you listen to Me, you will learn how you're created.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** No you weren't. In the next part of the program, you will awaken in two bodies that wasn't formed in a womb of a mother. One body will be a male and the other body will be a female. When you and your partner go into a dream together, you will get different bodies to observe and experience such as the body of a flying machine or float like a balloon, etc. You are not a real person living on a real earth. It's all an illusion.