Setting Up a 12x12 Overhead - Using Professional Motion Picture Equipment - Cinema Tools Pro-Tip #2

[@teacherofteachers1239]

I work on a smaller scale but this demystified a lot of fundamentals as I prepare to tackle outdoor filming. Also, it gives a great visual so I can see just how challenging a piece of gear a larger diffuser like this really is. Now I know what to do by way of dialing back expectations a bit with smaller diffusion setups until I'm in a position to pull off more expansive shots. Glad this is still posted, thanks so much for the behind-the-scenes views and info.

[@TylerAdamsMedia]

Love this content. It’s so much experience and knowledge packed into 6 minutes!! Very valuable stuff, thank you!

[@HDProsnet]

Thanks Tyler! I've got more on the way. Another dolly tutorial is coming, a set etiquette series, and of course more Grip Truck Extras!

[@luissalazar2021]

Good job team

[@HDProsnet]

Thanks Luis!

[@pheddupp]

Wait until you're flying a fifty-by-fifty full grid on truss hung by a crane, then you're cooking with gas. These ten by ten and the twelve-by-twelve set ups are very common on sets even to provide cover for video village every now and then.

[@HDProsnet]

50 x 50? Holy crap I'd be sweating bullets worried about something that big, LOL!

[@editorialbrain]

super helpful info. subscribed. I started with your circle dolly setup.

[@welchworks]

Fantastic stuff! Keep it goin', man!

[@HDProsnet]

Thanks! Many more to come!

[@onreload]

very helpful stuff

[@HDProsnet]

Glad to hear that!

[@1NOnlyAdityaOfficial]

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[@superbmediacontentcreator]

Nice truck...

[@HDProsnet]

It sure is! It's a keeper! 33 years old and still going strong.

[@iguanacrudafilms]

Great video and great channel! Thanks for this videos!

[@HDProsnet]

Thanks for watching!

[@Treviso100]

And for this you’ll want 0 mph winds! Haha! But what works even better is shooting this on an overcast day and adding some fill!

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[@HDProsnet]

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[@RN731]

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[@KhomariFlash]

I laughed at the kite joke…then I didn’t lol 😂

[@JoATTech]

Very useful ... I wonder how they used overhead in the last scene from the movie (or series)? Were they moving the overhead or it was 12x1200? :D

[@NineSevenPictures]

Great 👍

[@robinhoodloom5795]

He didn't tell us about the Anchor Line. on 80 & 728 Off Roster list

[@steheran1251]

that's so good, you show us the final shots?

[@HDProsnet]

Since I was not the DP in this case I do not have the footage, sorry. I was fortunate that my client allowed me to shoot my episode while being a grip on his team.

[@rromo1869]

Awesome video! On a tracking shot like the one you showed at the end (badlands), is Shane using a larger overhead or would it be moving with talent? I’ve always wondered how wide shots are lit with overheads. Thanks!

[@HDProsnet]

According to Shane they strung the diffusion up in the trees, tying them to the trunks and stretching them over head. That way no stands in the shot.

[@creativegreats6924]

At 5:35 . How can someone get consistency with this overhead scrim when the light at 2pm may be stronger than light at 6pm? I would think the light shinning thru would be different at different times in the day

[@lenswork4]

Good video. Is that 2" galvanized pipe for the frame?

[@HDProsnet]

No. in the film business we use 1&1/4 inch schedule 40 aluminum pipe that we call speed rail. It is much lighter than steel pipe and weight is a big concern when flying frames. Just google "speed rail" or go to filmtools.com and you'll see it. Larger steel supply warehouses usually stock it in 20 foot lengths that you can have cut to your desired length. Most larger cities will have them.

[@samuelspeck2702]

Do you have any rules of thumb for using speed rail vs. square tubing? Will 1” square tubing work for a 12x12? Also, could I use a maxi stand to hold up an 8x8 frame? Or should I just suck it up and always go for the combo stand?

[@HDProsnet]

I use 1x1 steel square tubing for my 6x6 and 8x8 frames (video coming soon). I'm certain I could connect my 6' sections and create a 12x12 frame with no problems. But the speed rail is lighter by far, and there is less sag. A 12' section of square steel tubing droops noticeably. When I pick up a 20' section for fabrication and I'm loading that flimsy bouncy length of steel into my truck I'm saying to myself - "There is no way I would build a 20x20 with this stuff." If money was no object I'd go with 1x1 aluminum but it's not cheap and it bends easier than steel. I'm not familiar with a maxi stand but I would always go with overkill on stands - be safer than safe. Have stands that are rated HIGHER than your needs. I love working with speed rail, but it is expensive compared to steel and it does take more space. So I use both. Thanks for the question! Where are you located?

[@samuelspeck2702]

@@HDProsnet thanks for the detailed response! Combo stands it is - just too bad there seems to be a shortage of them. I’m based out of Cincinnati.

[@HDProsnet]

@@samuelspeck2702 Hell I don't even own a Combo, though I should, I have Hi Hi rollers. Those are combos on steroids! Yes, they are $500 each but they are 40 pounds of steel and safe as a tank! I got them used to save money. Used gear is a great way to get quality gear at less cash.

[@fernandocf1234]

It is ok to use c stands for a 8'x8' frame? Or should i go for bigger stands, is very rare i use the frame but want to know

[@HDProsnet]

Depends on the conditions. I usually use c-stands for a 6x6 and use baby stands with super clamps for the 8x8. If there was no wind I'd trust c-stands for a 8x8. Just use plenty of sand bags!

[@fernandocf1234]

@@HDProsnet Thanks for replying!! Not all channels take the time to answer questions.

[@akashu4652]

Could you tell , which cloth you were used to diffuse ?

[@HDProsnet]

I used a Matthews Full Artificial Silk. I got the silk so it could be used as either diffusion or as a bounce. I was budget minded and wanted to get a "2 for 1" fabric that could be used for both. It works well. Ideally you would use a lighter diffusion such as a 1/2 or 1/4 Griff.

[@steheran1251]

What is the brand please?

[@HDProsnet]

The connectors are from buyrailings.com and the fabric is a Matthews Full silk from B&H.

[@teganmusser976]

Using roller stands outside on uneven ground…ok

[@easternvalley6310]

DP can use filters instead out door screens (LDS)or adject time of shoot.These things are foolishness.

[@HDProsnet]

Given today's technology it is easy to think that throwing a filter on a lens will solve any problem, but it is not true. There are no filters to reduce or diffuse the exposure and fall of the sun on subjects in direct sun while keeping the background in the same exposure. If there are, I challenge you to produce such items. Filmmakers would buy them up immediately. But, unfortunately, they don't exist. And if these diffusions are foolish as you say, then why are they on all professional sets? I'll tell you: because light is extreme and black shadows are extreme. And today's cameras are limited in the range of exposure they can record. Thus they must be reduced so the technology can record them using these tools. Filters have their place but this is not where they are used.

[@GabrielAlves-lp1qr]

The things you read on the internet lol