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[@Gaiate]

A couple things I think you're missing, Nerdy. In terms of why the RCE mercenaries follow Murtry's plan, it isn't that they've looked over and judged the plan themselves. To them, he is their superior officer during an active conflict. They don't question his orders because it's not what they've been trained to do. He gives the orders, they follow the orders. That's it. Wei is the exception only in that she's shown personal loyalty to him beyond that, but generally speaking, there's no reason to believe the other mercenaries need any kind of loyalty or affection for their commanders to carry out atrocious crimes. That's how PMCs like Blackwater operate. Also, the UN did not send RCE to Ilus. RCE staked a claim under UN law, but the UN has no presence on the planet outside of Holden and the Roci crew. It would be RCE ships with more RCE mercenaries with every incentive to cover up their crimes who would be coming to back them up. And while the Belters' messages broadcasting Murtry's crimes did reach Earth, think about how common it is for us today to see and hear testimonials of crimes committed by armies, companies, or police, often with video or some other kind of irrefutable proof, and then nothing happens. RCE is described as a major corporation in this universe. They would have more resources, more lawyers, and more political influence than anything the Belters could even hope to oppose, and they would use it all to suppress, diminish, and obfuscate the Belters' claims until they got ground down by the legal system. Avasarala might have some sympathy for the Belters at this point in her character arc, but she doesn't control the courts and she can't go to war with the equivalent of Haliburton. No doubt it would cost her some political capitol with Belters with whom she is trying to maintain a peace, but championing the Ilus Belters' cause at the expense of a legal corporate claim would destroy her at home.

[@m.e.3862]

I like these two, but nerdy is the first reactor I've seen who has had a problem understanding Murtry and the RCE Mercs. I think he's overthinking it 😊

[@y00t00b3r]

@@m.e.3862 I think he's not paying attention.

[@Gaiate]

@@y00t00b3r No, Nerdy and Clarus both clearly put a lot of effort into paying attention to the shows they choose to react to. It's why they can have interesting conversations about them. This to me just reads like a blindspot in his/their reading of the situation and the parallel the writers are making to certain real world corporations and PMCs.

[@Mannchini]

I get Nerdy’s points. This is why Book 4 surpasses S4 of the show. They cut most of Murtry’s motivations. Also, at this point, Murtry doesn’t believe they’re getting off alive.

[@tweetyericsson]

Yeah they're usually good at predicting things too. @@Gaiate

[@WUStLBear82]

The Bobby and Avasarala storylines are not superfluous; they just don't pay off until Season 5.

[@tastyneck]

You'd think after three well written seasons that you'd trust that the show wouldn't just dick you around for no reason.

[@zolahVR]

@@tastyneck exactly. The Christen-Bobby story line in Season 4 is like the Miller and Christen story lines in season 1-2, when you have no idea how they gonna connent to the story of the crew.

[@hoos3014]

I think in the early part of the season Nerdy was too busy looking for production errors and missed half of the story. RCE are goons with a government stamp of approval, like Blackwater, the Dutch East India Company, the conquistadors, etc., etc. Murtry didn't need a long sob story to earn his team's loyalty; if he didn't have it before they arrived, he certainly had it after Belters killed 23 members of their crew!

[@y00t00b3r]

agree. this show requires quiet contemplation after viewing an episode, and then a rewatch of the episode if necessary.

[@N_F414]

To be fair though, did the early episodes actually spell that out? that RCE is like blackwater?...not really (it builds somewhat in subtext over the season, but I can see some people missing it)

[@y00t00b3r]

@@N_F414 What else could it possibly be? Except for the protomolecule itself, and perhaps the Epstein drive, everything else in the show is an extrapolation of real things which exist. Obvious military contractors are obviously military contractors. They weren't UN marines or soldiers, so that kind of narrows it down to them working for a commercial interest. The entire visual motif of doing the super wide cinemascope format when we're on Ilus is meant to reference westerns. The old west was filled with land grabs and political maneuverings over controlling who would get a charter to what during the westward expansion. In one way, the authors are being subtle about it, but in another way they're beating us over the head with it. Why would they have to spell anything out? Assuming that the audience is not smart enough to catch your references is insulting, and none of us would be fans of The Expanse had they done this. But in order to catch these references, you have to *pay* *attention*, and reflect on what you're watching.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@y00t00b3r RCE aren't like Blackwater, because Blackwater is *only* a PMC. RCE are more like if Exxonmobil had Blackwater as a subsidiary.

[@y00t00b3r]

@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Sure. Or if Exxonmobil hired Blackwater, via Kellog, Brown and Root. Let's not put too fine a point on it.

[@ydaperez]

I wonder why nobody in Patreon told him to rewatch S4E1. There is a conversation between Murtry and the Head Scientist. Murtry does say what he and his RCE have done for the company. OH well...

[@y00t00b3r]

underrated comment

[@MattNolanCustom]

RCE *is* the company. Royal Charter Energy. The conversation Murtry has is with the overall mission head, not the scientific head.

[@ShasOFish]

IIRC, it's the last "Light" shuttle they have; there's one more heavy lift shuttle (designed more for moving heavy cargo, like the structures).

[@jamesmichaels6132]

The show changed Murty a bit; it wasn’t about money for him. It was about doing his job to an absolute fault. He literally tells Wei and the RCE Security Team that he is fine with everyone dying as long as the can build a semi-permanent structure to maintain RCE’s claim on New Terra (not Ilus because that’s the belter name for the planet.) He’s a grim dude who represents the cold nature of corporations and the decision-making process of capitalism.

[@not_llike_that]

I think this sounds better. I haven't read any books, but this was the first season when I actually felt like we are now having almost cartoonish villains

[@Mannchini]

Yeah. They also gloss over the Earther/Belter racism that’s in the book. I feel this season is really worse off because of the cut Havlock storyline in orbit. BOOKCLUB!!

[@LeeCarlson]

If the shuttle had succeeded in hitting the Roci and exploding, like a missile, they would have crashed back to the planet, along with the Barbarapicolla, and then they just have to wait for the next RCE support vessel to make the run through the Ring, and they are saved.

[@LeeCarlson]

Didn't you recognize that glowing purple "stuff" as what was used in the Slow-Zone to control the velocities of the ships?

[@Markus117d]

The Proto-molecule built the gates, the gates aren't proto-molecule. For example if you kill the person who carved a statue does the statue disintegrate?

[@Arthera0]

do we know if the gates can self repair without it?

[@gadfly149]

The security people aren’t dumb. When you deploy, and people you know get blown up, the wrong leader can allow your distrust of the “others” to fester. Murtry made the strong man play, using their fear and uncertainty to push them into wrongdoing.

[@aftonforred3685]

Murtry doesn't need the entire crew of the EI to love and respect him. He just needs the security guys to follow the chain of command. There is a lot more tension in this storyline in the books, thanks to Havelock being a POV character.

[@Konradius001]

Still need to read that book. It's a shame the actor who played Havelock in season 1 got such a good job as the main character in the rebooted Magnum. Would have liked to see that actor/character in this season.

[@LezArtist5iG]

Book Spoiler. 👎

[@aftonforred3685]

@@LezArtist5iG yes. Of all the comments on here, this is the biggest spoiler. SMH

[@julius-stark]

Holden's word is very important. He has made it clear he will support the belter's claim to the planet, and if that happens Murtry will lose out on a lot of money. Like, a crazy a lot of money. The only thing truly standing between Murtry and his payday is Holden and the belters. With Holden and Amos gone, he can make any excuse he wants to justify either killing the belters or forcing them off the planet. The part about the shuttle is a good point. It's clear he wants to destroy the Barb thereby cutting off the belter's wealth they've mined as well as their ability to get supplies, but I have no idea how Murtry would make it off the planet unless they planned to wait for a supply ship (which would be months)

[@Kevin_85]

A fun thing about the railgun use is that in the books Alex does it over and over again, timing it with the rotation of the ship, and in the long run, he becomes semi famous for how cool it was.

[@dmann05]

Wei thought she had Amos figured out, but she didn't understand him at all and she died because of it. Murtry will kill every belter on the planet and blame it on eye slugs, and since he planned to kill Holden and Amos there would have been no witnesses to disagree with him. The rest of the RCE crew on the ground could have been killed as well along with the belters. He told Wei that the value of the alien technology on the planet was worth far more to him than even the millions of dollars of lithium. Murtry isn't thinking ahead like you are Nerdy, he is thinking of the eventual payday. Even if he and Wei and the other RCE folks have to wait weeks/months for rescue from the planet's surface, they will be beyond rich for the rest of their lives. The planet is a gigantic machine that Holden interrupted the reboot cycle for and the power plant for the entire planet exploded. Whether its active or inert, the payday will be massive for all of this tech. Murtry obviously would prefer Holden stop meddling with it before he breaks something valuable. He likely would have killed Wei to keep the money for himself.

[@MattNolanCustom]

The planet's tech was not in a coordinated reboot cycle. The Investigator was somewhat randomly turning things on to try to figure out what they did in order to try to fulfil his mission of finding out what happened to the builders.

[@grimm516]

it reaches out it reaches out it reaches out it reaches out, One hundred and thirteen times a second, it reaches out to report that the work is done. If something accepted the report, it could stop. It will never stop.

[@syngyne]

@@MattNolanCustomNone of the machinery had had maintenance done on it for billions of years, either, which didn't help with what Millercule ws doing.

[@Amtrakblue]

They had 2 light shuttles and one heavy shuttle... They still had the heavy shuttle because Mertri wouldn't let the beltors on it.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Remember in the seasons's second episode, they showed that the railgun could impart a significant thrust to the Roci. Notice that Proto-Miller was blind to the "eye of Sauron." This was pretty much the most exasperating of all their cliffhangers. Murtry was always the head of security, and thus the commander of the security people. They're private corporate security, not unlike all the stealth ship crews and the Protomolecule hybrid scientists that worked for Mao. There were people turning children into monsters....you think corporate money can't buy ordinary henchmen? There are no laws in space, just cops. You should read up on the Pinkerton Agency in the 1800s in the US. They were the Blackwater of the Old West.

[@thomashiggins9320]

Elvii Okoye plays a huge role -- *huge* -- in the last three books of the series. So, you'll like seeing her again when you read the series.

[@DongusMcBongus]

DUDE DUDE. The thing that happens with her and Fayez on the ship. 😮😮😮😮😮😮 GOD THE LAST TWO BOOKS SLAP.

[@BrendanBeckett]

I think your issue with the floating Holden part wasn't the FX but the design - I think they visually showed what they intended to show

[@y00t00b3r]

it doesn't seem to me that they recognized the purple glow as the same energy which enforced the "speed limit" around the station in ring space

[@mufana1]

@@y00t00b3r ^ yes

[@Shawn_M]

Murtry wanted to take out the Roci because that was the source of Holdens power. No Roci and Holden is just like all the belters, powerless. And RCE had 2 shuttles left. They turned the light shuttle into a bomb. Murtry felt justified killing belters because they killed his people first when they blew up the landing pad.

[@jubronaljoan]

The fusion shutdown is only occurring within the orbit of the moons. So a rescue from Earth is still viable using chemical drive shuttles from outside the orbit of the moons.

[@billross7245]

The light shuttle that was disintegrated in orbit by one of the moons had nothing to do with fusion but a planetary defense system that Miller activated. In the book, I believe they had to use balloon drops from orbit to send down supplies.

[@Paxford0502]

As a book reader, i was legit surprised at how good the Miller-construct-spider-metal-wahey looked. I didn’t think it would translate well to live action. Pleased to be wrong.

[@DaxRaider]

they dont question mertys orders cause they are trained not to do, they get payed not to do ... Murtry NEEDED to take out the Roci because that was the only source of Holdens power. No Roci and Holden is powerless. Also they had two shuttle left not one. and the security guys in charge also were the one who send the main shuttel at the start to teh planet which got blown off and alot people died, so merty just telling them that they are the ones at fault is a good reason even if he doesnt mention it he can imply it easy. you rly try to find holes in the plot but its more trough you missing stuff xD

[@Triskaan]

Funnily enough, there's a whole arc on the Edward Israel cut from the books that solves some of Nerdy's issues. I'm really eager for them to read them.

[@Mannchini]

They cut my favourite sequence from the book. The RCE ship sends a team to attack the Roci in person, the leader is chatting a load of shit and Alex nails him with the rail gun 🤣

[@steriopticon2687]

The book is very detailed on how who has loyalty to Murtry and who doesn't and why and how.

[@pssthpok]

I don't think Wei was primarily about the money, she was loyal to Morty because he rescued her from a bad environment. Now he's using her, of course, but that's what he does. I really liked Bobbie's Mars arc, and to a lesser extent, Chrisjen's story, though if I'm being honest, she made some missteps that served the narrative, but felt out of place for me (because I expect her to be superhuman, based on past performance 😀 ). All in all, a strong episode, with a wicked cliffhanger ending. I'm sure things will be all resolved and everybody will get a pony in the final episode of this season!

[@mmattson8947]

"The only things Earthers care about is government handouts. Free food, free water, free drugs... free ponies!"

[@thontor]

I love the little detail of the "head" of the "body" miller inhabits vibrating to produce the sound of his voice.

[@Maj_Kasul]

It was indeed complicated 😊

[@tyramir1119]

You have to keep two things: 1) Employment on Earth sucks. This has been established many times. It sucks to be on Basic. So people are going to bend over backwards when their employer (or immediate superior) tells them to do something. Corporate control is stronger than ever. 2) Because cororations are so strong, they have political backing as well. Just look at Jules-Pierre Mao. So, if Murtry comes back to his corporate masters with a pile of dead bodies behind him, but a silver platter with a planet full of lithium and working protomolecule, they're going to have his back. He can spin whatever story he wants. Anyone who can say differently will be dead. It doesn't matter that Avasarala sent Holden. There'll be na inquiry, but enough money will change hands that nothing will happen to Murtry, and based on comments he's said before, this won't even be the first time.

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! The structure that Miller inhabited is very " strange"! Wei thought she could talk Amos to her side. At the very last possible moment you can see the look on her face that she knew she had made a grave mistake! Naomi's rescue of Lucia was precision on her jump! Looking forward to the season four finale!

[@Nebulorum]

I think the company security guys are basically grey ops team hired by the company to get thing done. I have seen real stories of this kind of people doing really bad stuff to ensure their employer comes out on to. I agree the setup is not clear. And companies just provide results, and if they are caught this say they were rogue. This is more common than we hope.

[@ahuggie]

Exactly. They are Space Blackwater. Do we not remember what Blackwater and other private security firms got away with scott free in Afghanistan? They do whatever they want, have access to the best equipment, and enjoy it.

[@christopherkowalczyk4405]

Blackwater is how I described the security people on one of their past reactions. Thinking about it they are blackwater/conquistadors. Nerdys points just don't land for me besides the drop ship point. Greed and killing for a paycheck always seemed like good enough motivation for me.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@christopherkowalczyk4405 right, and Blackwater style Earther goons would not lose their prejudices against Belters just because there's been a treaty of cooperation

[@ahuggie]

@@christopherkowalczyk4405 I don't usually feel the need to comment, but I am annoyed with Nerdy on this one. Did they just miss/forget a few sentences from the first episode that set RCE up as Space Blackwater?

[@christopherkowalczyk4405]

@@ahuggie possibly. It makes me wonder about people and innate morality. The idea of somebody saying fuck it and killing off a group of people for a payday that sets them up for life even with the risk of prosecution is not insane to me. Then I wonder if Nerdy is just a pure enough of a soul that the idea is just beyond imagination and that's what is holding him up on the security teams motivations. Not saying I'd do the work the security team is doing, but I get the motivation.

[@Brendissimo1]

For Wei it's not about money at all. She has a blood debt to Murtry that she already explained in vague terms. Basically she feels like she owes him her life, but she's kind of offended Murtry would even make it about money. She also doesn't really understand Amos, thinking he feels about her like she feels about him and would never harm her - he doesn't. He's arguably incapable of romantic love. He likes her, but that doesn't mean for a second he won't kill her - something Wei doesn't really get until it's way too late. I agree about the last light shuttle - maybe they have one more heavy shuttle? They certainly don't have enough supplies to wait another 8 months or more. Maybe they would be planning on taking the Belter shuttle when it comes down from the Barb, but that's a gamble.

[@joeb1kenobi600]

"for the rest of your life" reminds me of Ron White jokes on traveling on an airplane. "If one engine fails, how far will the other one get us?....all the way to the scene of the crash"

[@samanthaa.6055]

This is the point where the show leaves many questions unanswered and you miss a ton without reading the books. This book is much better than this season of the Expanse objectively. The RCE/Rocinante/Barbapiccola plot is brilliant and deals takes the tribalism themes happening on te surface and magnifies them x10000

[@jyriolenius4584]

About Murtry, you're not buying it because you're not familiar with psychopaths and how they can run small communities. You may count that as a blessing unless you run into one. People are social animals and have very little in the way of independent morality. They do what other people do and keep an account on how good or bad they are in compared to other people. If you make their darkest impulses socially acceptable that's what they'll do. It makes them easily manipulated by someone in a position of authority.

[@jyriolenius4584]

This is why ethics matter.

[@Yora21]

"Superfluousness of the Bobby and Avasaralla things". Oh, if you knew... 😄

[@Alucard15423]

As a book reader I was so disappointed with the railgun scene 14:14 . It was THE thing I was looking forward to the most that season. In the book it's made really clear that all the Moons are a defense satellites and the don't just magically disintigrade stuff like in the show but shoot actual lasers. So in that scene all the moons are trying to shoot down the railgun slugs. "The Rocinante bucked under him, the horizon of the ship shifting as the rail gun fired. A half dozen streaks of blue danced from the defense moons above, marking the path of the rail gun's round with instantaneous violence of lightning." "The Roci bucked again. The bolt of the rail gun and the attacking streaks of energy from the moons" "The Rocinante jumped. The rail gun path through the high atmosphere glowed." "Below, a rail gun shot streaked across Ilus, the fire from the defense moons stabbing at it as it fell."

[@massacrestarts1673]

I only have one question. How on earth does Nerdy and Clarus not binge the entire show?

[@bajasmancer]

I never listen to people saying special effects in sci is bad, atleast verbalize what's bad with it :P I mean if it's original star trek bad, where you can see the beam not coming from the gun it's one thing, but who the hell knows what an anti grav field looks like. I do agree that they could have fleshed out the level of insanity required from the security team. I didn't really think much of it when I saw it, I just figured if the leaders that crazy, the rest of the team is probably just as crazy to take the job in first place.

[@Icypenguigo]

Can I just say how GORGEOUSLY shot all the Ilus action(planet-side and space) is? It looks so damned cinematic. I wish I could watch this season on a huge IMAX screen. I don't know if we'll ever get the last three books adapted into more seasons, but if they just managed to make them as a movie(with a VERY compressed version of the storyline), and if it looks as good as this season, I'd still be pretty stoked!!

[@robertcartier5088]

Just before this, I was watching a reaction to The Wizard of Oz, and when Nerdy started singing _"Follow the Blue in the Floor..."_ I damn near pissed myself! LMFAO!

[@ravenward626]

RCE being portrayed as thugs trying to get paid isn't surprising. The authors have slipped in some commentary about people exploiting each other before. Back on Eros the security company put together to prepare the station, and the ones Miller and Holden inspired to riot were called "CPM Security". CPM being an acronym for the Spanish translation of "Meat For the Machine".

[@carlitosd.9699]

In regards to the ‘obedience’ to Murtry, I don’t think it’s so much about common sense or ‘justice when they get back to Earth’, but following the chain of a command in a paramilitary organization, and also an established deep prejudice and hatred between inners and belters… and that is sadly deeply rooted in history, both old and new.

[@rowaystarco]

Damnit, I miss this show so much. Wish I could forget the plot and watch it all over again.

[@AntiGrav1ty88]

There were 3 season with an overabundance of examples that show how horribly earthers treat belters and how little they think of them. On top of that merc groups and private military contractors/security right now in real life have done plenty of things that are probably even worse than what Murtry does. Their foot soldiers follow horrible orders all the time and barely anyone ever gets punished. The behavior of Murtry and his guys did not seem unfounded to me at all, given the universe we know.

[@ravenward626]

Nerdy, your logic is sound, but I think Claroux's skepticism over legal action is warranted. Avasarala is a queen in this story and can swing some power around. But no one rules alone. The bonds that let you wield power also chain you to their support. Often the people put into high office can be indebted on a scale you can't even measure in dollars. To take action they first need to measure how the impact will have on them through those ties. If you can afford to do a little pruning to excise or compensate any important supporters for their failed business venture and lost opportunity, then maybe. But if the person in office is spread thin or too many of their supporters' jimmies are rustled then they may deflect and let the issue drag on out of sight in the hopes that it resolves itself and goes away.

[@djultomega]

Hat v No-hat miller is a subtle nuance to his duality at this point ;)

[@StarkRG]

Murtry's in charge, so, yeah, the security people will follow his orders unquestioningly. The show doesn't have to set that up, that's just how fascists are. This isn't the crew the UN sent, this is the crew a mining corporation sent. The UN approved the expedition, but it isn't a UN-run expedition.

[@pgreen0001]

Great reaction. I don’t know if this explanation will help and I’m not here to defend the writers and show runners. That was not their last drop ship. It was their last drop ship that didn’t use fusion engines. It used old solid fuel like our rockets use now. Now I agree that since fusion wasn’t working it still wouldn’t make sense to activate the plan then because they are still stuck on the planet. As far as killing belters I don’t think you understand their place in the Expanse universe. They are third class citizens. Plus those particular belters technically aren’t supposed to be on the planet in the first place. They ran a blockade. The RCE has a UN charter and on landing their craft was hit from a sabotaged land pad that killed a portion of their crew. Being head of security and with the commander killed Murthy had operational control. The security crew are going to follow him one because he is their immediate boss, two they agree with his tactics and three human don’t really like belters in the first place. Even the doctor scientist has bad things to say about them when they were headed to the structure and she didn’t know Naomi was a belter. Finally, it takes over 8 months to get from Earth to Illus. The RCE was supposed to be there for years and even if they were supposed to just go there and then head back you are still looking at a year before they get back. Minus Holden making it an issue it wouldn’t be an issue. Which is why Murthy needed to kill Holden.

[@professorhelmling6059]

Murtry is willing to lose his last shuttle if it eliminates both the Barb and Roci. That leaves him with no contestants to RCE’s claim. Then he can hunker down and wait for back up from Earth.

[@DongusMcBongus]

The final shootout between Holden and Murray in the books is FAR more Wild West-y. I love this season. But the New Frontier theme I think was executed just a bit better in Cibola Burn.

[@SyrosAlex]

Proto-Miller in this episode may just be my favourite thing in all of the Expanse

[@mirtexxan]

I think that nerdy simply does not understand how low the morality of a private troop of mercenaries can get, and how corporate money can ensure them legal immunity.

[@wagnarokkr]

18:32 the "wrong" kind of cliffhanger. they don't do it very often

[@aftonforred3685]

"It reaches out." The Investigator is distinct from Miller.

[@wagnarokkr]

shout out to you guys for accidentally foreshadowing something from the ninth book! :)

[@LezArtist5iG]

Older comments contain Spoilers, both TV show and Books. 🌹☮️

[@nrran6835]

The RCE people are so on board because they were attacked first, and they've followed all the rules and procedures and are under attack

[@gilserrano8301]

lol if all the witnesses are dead they can survive till that rescue ship they talked about in that previous episode

[@remliqa]

I would have posted how you misunderstood the mindsets of these mercenaries , but the other posters her already eloquently did that.

[@istuilhos]

Ships can come to that planet, they just can't brake.

[@Finnssssss]

In the books, the dude on the ship that warns the Rossi was Miller's partner from season 1 that had joined the RCE but that actor got the gig as Magnum PI so... Just wait till Season 5, it's my favourite. literally 6 different storylines and you thought you loved Amos before...just wait lol You want more depth of characters? You're about to get it in spades. Wait till you meet Tiny ;)

[@LeeCarlson]

Remember during the first season when they talked about the regeneration technology being available.

[@Icypenguigo]

Also, there's not a chance for this to happen in the show, as it is, because it got cut short, but Elvi Okoye is actually one of the most important characters in the whole story of The Expanse! Keep reading the books, you'll see! ;)

[@josephkrengel]

If you have any doubt about RCE following Murtry's orders, just look at some of the misdeeds committed by any private military contractor operating in Iraq or Afghanistan in the past 20 years.

[@samanthaa.6055]

Murtry is a company man. He doesn't care about his own fate. He just wants the company be able to have the only right there. Murtry has kept them safe so his people trust them. This is much more fleshed out in the books and it's great and frustrating. People do a lot for hazard pay.

[@aboubenadhem9066]

If you like Elvi Okoye’s character, you should definitely read the book series (including the last un-adapted books).

[@17thknight]

Lmao. I love how pissed you get at the end of every episode, this show does a great job of making want more

[@patrickmcdaniel5756]

The only thing i got to say on the murtry rce thing is look at ALL the people doing what they did for jules mao. People are terrible, especially when they can "other" the enemy, even more so when you add money in the mix. The truly sad thing is that all your issues here are currently happening around the globe right now. Let alone months away on another planet. Edit I wish I had your faith in humanity

[@jonasfermefors]

I will say that the few mercenaries I've met were pretty stupid.. I think that is a requirement for the job. For me Murtry's rampage is motivated by the killing of his teammates. As a merc voilence is not a big step for him anyway. The rest is just chain of command.

[@Pavaroso]

"I just don't buy it." No, you just don't "get" it. I've given up hope that he'll spend more time actually paying attention or accepting that the show is full of people who act on motivations, personal history, in-bred biases etc that don't jive with his personal world view without it detracting from the show. Better to stick with the "that's what she said" and "oo, are they gonna screw now?" content and then just spiel about the things you've missed or don't understand at the end of the show. It's like he's completely unable to even try to insert himself into the context the show is presenting and accepting that the writers know what they are doing, despite it having been repeatedly demonstrated that they do. She does a much better job of discussing things from the context of the show, instead of how she prefers thing to have happened, or want people do, though she usually ends up just giving in and letting him rant.

[@destro6971]

Peak Amos beard in these episodes 🤘🏼

[@Paxford0502]

#AmosShotFirst

[@johannesbowers7467]

Nerdy, You have said many times that you do not understand a military mind and you're proving it again. Even among the bad guys. They clearly identified early on from the get go that Murtry's Security force contingent was a long standing functional unit with tight bonds built in battle. Somehow you seem to think it's an ad hog unit of all mercenaries who never met each other and have no obligation or commitment to anything but the credit. The whole unit has spent time shedding blood together. Doing black op dirty work for the company. They know what they are expected to do. Short-term or long-term. Their presence was always going to be the strong arm of the hostile takeoverhaul new tarra/Illus They are blackwate, they are Umbrella UBCS not spetznaz, and not STARZ. They don't have to answer to the government their company does. And if they are the only ones alive to bring the record, it will reflect their story.

[@Dene181]

Great reaction, 10 will be fun! 😊❤

[@bligemonk2283]

Clarus will find any chance to shit on Ocarina of Time...and I respect the choice.

[@gilserrano8301]

its a transitional season

[@hoon_sol]

"I remember..." Yeah, it was literally 20 minutes ago, pretty stupid line in my opinion as well.

[@foxtango3862]

RCE and Merty are way worse in the book Merty is a guy the when you meet him he shoot a belter in the head unprovoked first scene he is in. Amos should have killed him day one and see what happened after that.

[@belinda35_77]

istg dude is so irritating ruins every reaction **he** doesn't understand it so it is lacking for him lol if he wasn't missing everything while he's constantly telling bad jokes he'd know whats going on.. ugh:/

[@kirkdarling4120]

Oh, oh. Pissed off Belinda. And I bow to Belinda.

[@belinda35_77]

@@kirkdarling4120 lmao hi kirk y'all are so kind and patient in these comments its inspiring but i just couldn't bite my tongue this time.. happy new yr friend!

[@hoos3014]

I knew you wouldn’t be able to hold back on this one😂

[@y00t00b3r]

> missing everything while he's constantly telling bad jokes he'd know whats going on.. it's not that he's got ADHD, it's that he has ADHD... AND HE'S DOING IT WRONG!

[@dguisinger]

yet you just can't quit him. 🤣. there is definitely a large amount of "I don't understand it" because "I wasn't paying attention when they said it". The Expanse is not a show that explains something multiple times. Nearly every single line of the show is there for a reason.

[@autdelux]

the era of the most stupid thumbnails ^^ everytime i see a thumbnail where someone is overreacting i just laugh out loud these days because everyone jumps on the bandwagon instead of doing something new or creative no just copy what others do thats how it goes.

[@steriopticon2687]

an·te·pe·nul·ti·mate [ˌan(t)əpəˈnəltəmət] ADJECTIVE last but two in a series; third last.