Setting Up PMO Induction EFI for First Start With Emtron Standalone ECU - Part 2

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thanks for watching. If you missed part 1 here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4i0h5eQqa2EaqM

[@napir]

Love watching you go through this. Switching to ITBs and EFI on my '83 was such a fun experience. Lots of people poo-poo the tuning process, but it really is what you make of it and you learn so much about what these motors like in the process. I can absolutely fire it up and drive cross country without fuss, but the tinkering is part of the fun (for me) and I find myself pulling out the laptop and messing around with it all the time, even now, 5+ years later. Enjoy!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

I love this comment and I can tell we would be instant friends, ha ha. My opinion is most people hate ITB's for the wrong reasons. What they really hate is not being able to get in touch with a tuner that knows how to fix them. That is why I'm learning the whole process for myself like you have already done. Awesome!

[@dra911]

Let me be the first to congratulate you on this success! Impressive that the base tune handled the cold start so well. Gotta love it when a plan comes together!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Much appreciated! I was so surprised it started that I wasn't even ready for it, camera was off, ha ha.

[@carl545marchbanks4]

Great working getting that up and running. That's no small task with standalone ECU

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank! So much work behind the scenes here.

[@davidborden4074]

Congrats on the first start! I have a very similar project ahead and you do an excellent job walking through the process and what it entails. You are concise and to the point, yet cover what is important. I appreciate you taking the time to record, process and post these videos, I know it's a lot of work on top of the project... A BIG thank you!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank you so much! I hope your project goes smoothly. Feel free to join our Monday zoom calls where we talk project cars and help each other out. It's organized through Patreon.

[@martinhoward1802]

Awesome.! Another victory.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

I'll take it. This project has been a lot of work.

[@polloloci21]

Awesome work - makes one realize how much work is needed into a properly tuned engine.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

So much work and research not shown in this video. Big learning curve to ITB's, but so worth it.

[@arjanschild3552]

It just runs,...no drama. Almost sounds like a disappointment ha ha... Well done Tom!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Even I expected more drama on this one. Oh well, maybe next time. Still tons of tuning and learning to do.

[@jeffharrison5265]

Sounding fantastic. Great work...very interesting stuff.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thanks Jeff. It's gonna be great in the car

[@jamesbuckingham8073]

Y'all are the King Bee, had grin from ear to ear. Excited to hear It row thru the gears

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Should be soon! PMO's open house is in two weeks!

[@cam3002]

Great progress!

[@oiygfdxssfgg]

Great video, it sounds great.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thanks, I'm excited😀

[@walterkucharski4790]

Super job Tom I'm excited for you.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank you

[@pyrogenusa]

I was waiting Saturday morning for this one, glad to see it up. Nice explanation and pre operation checks. RGruppe needs to contact you. I am watching as I rebuild Zeniths, Makes me jealous that it fired right up. but I would expect nothing less.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thanks John, I didn't think it would start so easy. Got lucky again😀.

[@pyrogenusa]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto If I had thought, I could have shipped you my dymo and you could do the mapping before you put it in the car.

[@joew1803]

Congrats, love your methodical engineered approach to problem solving.... the only thing that is missing is a nice sport exhaust, hopefully you have something coming

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank you, and I agree this exhaust isn't great, but its better than the stock Carrera exhaust that I traded for it. Certainly there will be an upgrade in the future.

[@davidraeside]

That is awesome Tom, that looks like a really cool setup.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank you! A new toy to play with😀

[@ChuckJ1944]

Wow I'm glad I never had to do that for my 911s. Great job!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Its a process to setup for sure.

[@petercook6908]

Thank you for the link.

[@g6et_wrx177]

Brake pin / Caliper slider synthetic grease for the pivots will hold up to temps better

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Cool, great suggestion. Thx

[@DennisSchreiner-q2t]

A Great Video!! Question: I see only one manifold that the 6 MAP lines terminate to from the ITB's. Where are the 6 tubes that supply air for the Idle air speed control motor?

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thx. Six lines go into a manifold block and then one larger line goes to the IACV. I'm not running a brake booster on this car, so there's only one merged vac line to the MAP sensor.

[@karrera81]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto I don't think I understand this. Do the same 6 lines that provide the vacuum value to the MAP sensor also carry positive air pressure to the throttle bodies for idle control? I have an Electromotive EFI with ITB's in my '81 SC 3.0 L. I am considering adding an idle air control. I thought I would need a separate independent plenum of 6 lines from the idle air control to a different port in each throttle body (than the MAP ports). I also don't understand how the brake booster vacuum affects this. I have the booster.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Probably easier to talk about this through phone calls or email. The idle control valve doesn't have any positive pressure. It's just controls the severity of a controlled vacuum leak. The MAP sensor is T'd off between the IACV and distribution block. [e-mail]

[@sebastianroher]

Hey man, love following the build! Can you tell me where you sourced the hard fuel line, and what radium fittings you used for the fuel rail?

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

The hard lines are custom made by me. Tube straightener, tube bender and flaring tools, etc. The radium is their an6 banjo

[@sebastianroher]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto thanks, do you know the size of the fuel rail that the fitting screws into?

[@petercook6908]

Love the PMO EFI. Have you ever looked at making it work on your 356 engines?

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

I don't think PMO has a 4 cylinder option yet. It would be awesome.

[@knockdown321]

Nice work! Make sure the MAP isn’t pulsating to much, I had to add some extra tubing to smooth it out a bit.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

The signal doesn't look too bad at idle. Does your ECU have a digital filter?

[@knockdown321]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto I don’t believe the AEM Infinity 506 did have digital filtering, my install was about 5 years ago.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Ahh, I see. Emtron has great filters, but the MAP also needs to react very quick to throttle changes. Do you still have the car?

[@knockdown321]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto I do, 77S, PMO COP, X-Factory kit, dyno at 183 RWhp, it’s my fun AutoX car.

[@openhighwayproductions]

Sweet running and looking engine. Do the PMO's use the same fuel pressure as the stock fuel injection?

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thanks. Yes 3 bar for the Bosch injectors that I'm using.

[@petercook6908]

since you seem to engineer many parts and fixes I thought you could find a way to cut the pmo up and weld together to do a 4 cylinder version. At least i was hoping you cold.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Ha ha, maybe. I think there's another company that offers fuel injection for VW's. I can't remember the name at the moment, but it's been done before.

[@WiksGarage]

How is it that PMO hasn't engineered the manifolds to have the injector spray cutouts? hmmm

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

It's probably because it's the same manifold as their carbs. I hope they update their EFI offering. Same with the linkage brackets. The vacuum ports run right into them.

[@petercook6908]

i have been looking for EFI but for my 58 356. Cant find anyone doing EFI for VW. If you think of them please PM me.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

No PM's on YT unfortunately, but here's a link www.ebay.com/itm/355616623501?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=guqaskfwtxo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=_y_XdoZQRmq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[@ocavant]

Close-ups bro… We need more close-ups. Thank you.

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Of what?

[@ocavant]

@@GarageTimeAutoResto Mostly the linkage. You were explaining in detail how you lined up the ball ends and it was sorta hard to see the details. I understand that adds a ton of complexity to shooting a video like this , but with technical stuff tight detail shots really help the viewer understand fully what you are talking about. I’m a videographer by trade(NBC) and just always think to myself, WIDE. MEDIUM. TIGHT when shooting. Again, I understand the exponential amount of work all the extra angles and editing this requires, so thank you for all the effort. A great series and impressive detailed explanation of a really well sorted EFI kit!

[@GarageTimeAutoResto]

Thank you. I wish I had an NBC camera man! I fully admit that the car or whatever project I'm doing takes priority over film techniques, however I'm trying improve and your feedback is very helpful. Another film industry guy gave me some tips on lighting and that's been helping some. As you know a one man show is tough.