Settling Quadro VS GeForce GPU For Autodesk 3D CAD *With NEVER SEEN BEFORE CONCLUSIVE Evidence!*

The Nvidia Quadro VS GeForce confusion never seems to die down! But I might have something that puts your mind at rest, context required, observe for your delectation and delight.
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0:00 Introduction
0:54 About the Channel & Setting Expectations
1:47 What is a "GPU" feat. the GP104
5:22 Why are Quadros more expensive
10:24 Why I chose GeForce
12:51 The proof that GeForce is suitable
19:12 Should you get Quadro or GeForce though?
23:40 Outro
#Tech3D #Autodesk #Nvidia #Quadro #Geforce

[@Neil3D]

Dear all!! - I have now developed and released the worlds most comprehensive FREE computer benchmarking test for Autodesk Inventor with a global online leaderboard. This test proves everything in here to be accurate. See the announcement video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpTOZJ-sqrKFoK8 and check out the leaderboard here invmark.cadac.com/#/ PLEASE READ...!!! There is no Autodesk & Nvidia conspiracy to sell you Quadro cards! Repeating what I said in the video... Autodesk do not list Geforce cards on the Certified Hardware website because Nvidia do not provide 3D CAD bug fixes for them. If Autodesk listed my GTX 1070 on the Certified Hardware website and I found a graphical bug, I would be within my rights to demand that Autodesk resolve it, but Autodesk can't fix Nvidia driver issues. Nvidia fix Nvidia driver issues. But Nvidia won't fix it if it's an issue with a Geforce driving being used on 3D CAD, because Nvidia only support Quadro being used with 3D CAD! So Autodesk would not be able to resolve that issue for their customer due to reasons that are out of their control. So to avoid this from happening, they have no choice but to omit Geforce cards from that Certified Hardware website. I have to ask you to trust me on this one, Autodesk would list Geforce cards on there if they could, and Autodesk get absolutely nothing zero zilch from Quadro sales, why would they. Finally, this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ-ypXqojcSXeM0 for those who are about to tell me I'm wrong or mistaken.

[@freemansfreedom8595]

And for people not believing this, if you check _any_ other CAD software it is the same deal, not just Autodesk. As much as NVIDIA's pockets are deep, they are not as deep as to buy every single CAD software company into doing this. Why would dassault accept that cash, when their products make the cash? Putting things into perspective they easily make enough cash with a single CATIA seat to allow anyone else to get 5 competent gaming rigs for lan parties. Now add Siemens, Autodesk and Creo, and you see that it is nigh impossible, even less if you add other CAD softwares. And NVIDIA does so to prevent any kind of cannibalization of their margins, it is the same deal with GPU virtualization. Check error 43 for that one. They are the only ones manufacturing Quadros, which is where the gross profit margins are.

[@Nickgowans]

I understand now. It's not about making money but it's about limiting their responsibility to reasonable limits, and while that sounds like a bad business practice to some extent (certainly if you were making games for the consumer market for instance) , it is also really sensible. Why would you recommend say "any graphics card made in the last 5 years" when you're then going to be responsible for providing support for 500+ possible gpus. When you could just limit that list of recommended products and then only provide tangible support for 20 GPUs and then you can guarantee to be able to deliver the service and support that people or businesses paying £2k a year would expect.

[@Neil3D]

@@Nickgowans Exactly. Although Autodesk support you, if you needed a fix for a graphics related bug, Autodesk may need Nvidia's cooperation which they won't get if its a bug reported on a Geforce product. For that reason alone, Autodesk can't provide and guarantee 'support' for Geforce cards because they won't get it from Nvidia. It would 100% be in Autodesks interest to say they support Geforce cards, it makes their software more accessible or perceptibly accessible, but yep it's a liability thing. And you're right there are hundreds of variations of Geforce cards, all with different PCB layouts, VRAM manufacturers, BIOS configurations, objectively Geforce cards to trip out generally more often than Quadro and if that happened whilst using Inventor the customer will contact Autodesk... how could they possibly help if the problem is a faulty BIOS on a cheap variant of a GTX1050 from Ebay! So hopefully that makes sense, still might make a video on it though as these comments are easy for most people to miss!

[@Zaptruder]

While all this is a fair point... the real question is - how often does Geforce functionality bug out to the extent that it affects your ability to do work? If you're talking about once a month, go for the Quadro every time. If its once every five years, that's a harder argument to make!

[@jashith]

But can anyone tell how frequent are the functional bugs with Nvidia Geforce that one has to consider spending extra on quadro?

[@bikerchrisukk]

Well done for having the patience to do this video. I'm a solo contractor and have Quadro, but only because if 100% of my workforce, I.e. me, cant work, that's zero money coming in! I need the food for winter and all that. Very well done mate 👍

[@jorgenolasco3676]

Im building 2 work stations for new employees and this video was of extreme help. Thank you for your time and expertise.

[@HamdanAlshehri]

Like before watching. 😄 Would give more than a thumb up because you explained differences I had been looking before buying my laptop and could not find anyone explains it simply and honestly!

[@shova213]

Ths was by far the best video providing excellent explanation in regards to Quadro cards and Geforce cards. I am so happy I came across your video. Thank you.

[@SermedAlWasiti]

Excelent vid, mate...thanks! Goes nicely with your other previous hardware-focused videos...

[@leo_warren]

Thank you so much, Neil! I'll add this to the Inventor Bible and use it as gospel as the amount of depth, research and expertise are unrivaled. This combined with your AU class and a few of your other videos completely destroys any misconceptions, corrects them, and then gives the background for explanation and context.

[@rocketboyjv5474]

This was very helpful. Thank you so much. It's good to know I have someone I can take advice from when it comes to CAD when there seems to be little talk of it on KZbin.

[@Radenska512]

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[@higherLifeTz]

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[@daniellescobedo760]

I feel grateful, kind of like I can go and get some good sleep now! You are literally the best, following you means I could unfollow dozens of gaming channels. I knew a lot about it, but you just sorted all that data into my mind and your evidence is a great help. Thank you once again, I had joined the family.

[@abvmoose87]

Ive worked with it support for a big architect so ive come across alot of issues over the years and theres definatley issues thats been resolved with installing diffrent certified drivers. Most Autocad and Revit applications have very broad support of cards though while software like Sketchup and 3ds Max were alot more sensitive to which drivers were used. I agree with your summary. Oh man do I dread the win 10 updates. They always manage to eff something up. Yes you are 100% on point

[@ted5045]

Just discovered this channel. Been looking for this kind of info for ages. Thanks for the vid.

[@dturpin2638]

19:12 million dollar answer. I've searched far and wide for this answer. Thank you.

[@JayPatelVlogs]

Me Too, Money Saving Video

[@koulchilebaiz]

but wait.. if there's a GPU issue because of Windows update, you can always revert to older version until stable drivers are realsed?

[@coselin1240]

Looking for this answer for a very very long time and finally found it. Thanks for your time and explanation.

[@zze86]

Thanks so much for this video. I bought a Quadro card a few years back and have been looking at upgrading. It's comforting to know I don't necessarily have to drop the big bucks for the Quadro...although Pandemic era RTX pricing makes the Quadros more price competitive and they're available, lol.

[@tayomwilson]

Thanks so much, you’ve made it a lot clearer for me now💯

[@Claudslai]

Wow this video has cleared up soo much confusion! Thank you!! I’m so glad you mentioned the part about buying a Quadro card if you’re building a workstation for a company. I’m building computers soon for my company and was almost going to buy the nvidia 3070 cause why not....but now I see why it makes sense to buy the Quadro for that 2% chance the card glitches 👍🏼!

[@hunglukenguyen]

the problem is the test for Solidworks (and some other) varies more than this Autodesk software; I am talking about 20 FPS vs 190 FPS in some instances.

[@KyleTO7]

@@hunglukenguyen so the RTX gives you 20 fps?

[@hunglukenguyen]

@@KyleTO7 yes, I tested many "pro" card vs "consumer" card and there are still huge difference in some tests (Catia, Solid works, this is the SpecsViewPerf benchmark).

[@AlexandreG]

If you were about to build your computer with the 3070 because "why not", I guess your biggest problem would not be that 2% chances of the 3070 failing honestly. If you want success in your company you need to make big decisions for a cause, and not just because "why not"

[@edmarferreirajunior724]

Man, you saved me a lot of money with your video. Looking for a GPU for Revit Autodesk and Blender, Quadro card was all I had in mind. I am an architect working alone in Brazil, where US dollar is above the sky. Here, you can by almost 3 RTX 2060 for the price of 1 Quadro RTX 4000. Thank you very much!

[@EmilyTestAccount]

i always revisit this every upgrade and every time the geforce comes out ahead but with geforce prices lately... i just might be checking out quadros after all.

[@JockGit64]

very informative video neil, well done mate. I have a 2080Ti in my workstation, works a treat and is also good for gaming

[@Neil3D]

It's a double bonus! Our working from home PCs can double up as mental gaming rigs!

[@yokumato]

Great explanation, thanks! I use a Geforce GTX 1070 and was wondering what was the next step for upgrading the CAD system.

[@_sakib.hasan_]

Brilliant video, clearest explaination of GeForce Vs Quadro I have seen. Do you think that the Nvidia Studio Drivers (some what) eliminate/reduce the potential driver 3D App driver issues for GeForce? And would your recommendations be the same for Rhino/Vary and SketchUp/Vray workflows? Thanks

[@guvanch.o]

Well, thanks for you explanation. That makes sence now why those Quadro cards are crucial for professianal use. 👍

[@SkyZi9]

I like this man.... Where have you been in my KZbin routine!! I'm both into gaming but also a student for engineering with a bit of graphic design too and for AAGES I got confused on if 3D CAD software can run on Geforce GTX/RTX gpu's or much preferred Quadro... You have cleared so much stuff up both simply yet in complex detail to why and how. THANK YOU!!

[@wafahassan4771]

Iam bad at english, and iam architecture. So what did he say about it is quadro better? Iam gonna buy acer conceptd 7 pro do you think it's good dor lumion

[@crazyg74]

awesome video mate. I'm very late to this party, but I've been using mostly non-Quadro cards since the 90s and I am still scratching my head as to why one would bother... Your talk about home user/contractor vs company (IT department) deployment is 100% spot on. IT department wants to be sure it will work. As a contractor, I very well know that the GForce works. I have had several opportunities to let the Quadro shine - but it never has! fwiw, I mostly run NX.

[@chaldawal]

Great info, being a CAD sw developer I bought a quadro because my office machine has one , and I wanted to practise at home on the same as well.

[@0311johannes]

Thanks a lot for this great video! Priceless info!

[@k.hussain360]

Great video and explanation of Quadro vs Geforce for Autodesk 3D CAD Software.

[@MegaAshleymusic]

Thanks so much Neil all your videos have helped me so much. Wondering if you have a video on project geometry what would you use each item for?

[@Neil3D]

I have a project geometry tutorial kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnfKppholr-sjbs but I don't think I cover all the different types, just the regular project geometry.

[@WilsonTechTV]

Well done! I don't care about the length of the video as long as they are informative. Yours are very informative. I like it!

[@sitaroartworks]

Great video mate. Everything is clear now. :)

[@Kurufasulye06]

Very useful explanation, informative, great content, subscribed.

[@Alen069]

WOW. Finnaly workstation videos on there graphic cards.

[@richardvartolomei3174]

Thanks very much for your video! I was building PCs for my Architecture Office and the last one had an issue where the PC completely froze with a GTX 1650. Will buy Quadros in the future just to not be in the situation you mentioned - also if it means paying about €500 more per workstation than for a GTX-Build.

[@chrislafollette6176]

The right information at just the perfect time!

[@ThunderKat]

Soon or later all GPUs might have the need for ECC memory error check due to the high amount of VRAM they keep adding over the years... I would resume Quadro is like a Xeon CPU, design to work 24/7 with very low error rates/stability, power consumption and improve parallel calculations if any.

[@lookyloo777]

Absolutely the most helpful for in me choosing a card, Thank you, you cleared it up for me when you said home VS office and Geforce processors vs Quad.can you advise between the 10 or16 series GTX cards ? Thank you AGAIN !!

[@freedomearthmoon1]

Hello there, Where does that Graphics Certification Tool come from? I've searched the web for something like it and cannot find a thing. Any feedback would be appreciated.

[@Salakazam]

Hey TFI great vid as usual! Specially for engineers nor gamers, would you say similar could apply to laptops? Though mobile GPU gets more complicated with soo many maxQ, super, etc.

[@shlomifitness]

Great video ! Thank you !

[@venjieravelo1338]

Thank you so much for this content!

[@MrKudzoshi]

Thanks man, you just help me to decide

[@woodsperson8078]

You broke this down much more than I ever would have. I'm a cad, gps, and 3d modeler/designer for an excavation company. I came down to the exact same assertion you did. I run a P2200 and some of the large design meshes and and lidar or photogrammetry topo must be looked at in 3D and have taken that card up to 80%. I have run them in a home computer as well, the only thing I have noticed is that the gamming card tended to run about 5 degrees warmer and is louder. Performance was the same. I also decided to go with the pro card because I have 4 ports I run three screens at my workstation and I am plugged into a tv monitor in our conference room which is right outside my door. Civil 3Ds biggest killer is still the CPU and probably always will be as its mostly a single threaded program. I have this later argument with a lot of people.

[@topy9100]

HI Thank you for the video. Where can I get the Graphics tool? Dan

[@WighTShadoW]

Amazing info and excellent video.

[@utolgacelik]

The best video about this topic i have ever seen. Thanks 👊

[@Neil3D]

Much appreciated man thanks

[@astasna]

Thank you ! It helps me go with the GeForce. I am a contractor working from home doing SolidWorks assemblies and some rendering for fun.

[@Ahmad-os3si]

I am student i plan to come when doing master to france renne my cousin live there to get a structural engineer do you recommend

[@attanoor8899]

GOD Bless you.... You saved me time and money... Thankyou...

[@ligh7foo7]

Excellent intro... what is the difference between the autocad, solidwork etc to me they are different brands of 3D modelling / rendering software?

[@alicer396]

Thanks a lot very satisfying explanation.i got enlighted :'D

[@codygerr536]

Where is the Inventor Graphics Certification Tool? I cant find it!

[@redryderaus]

Great explanation. I have to recommend a GPU to the boss for Inventor 2019. I can now go in to him and lay it out for him. Cost versus potential stability.

[@danielvilches7185]

Thanks for your video.. very very accurate!

[@pabloescobar7214]

Hello sir. I'm building a workstation PC mainly for Autodesk Revit, AutoCAD and Lumion. I decided to go for Ryzen 3900X, 64GB RAM but I can't decide what graphics card to get, see I wanted to get an RTX 2070S, but I've seen how well the Quadro RTX 4000 works on AutoCAD but I don't know if it's better than the RTX 2070s or how much better it is. And also the 2080Ti isn't that much more expensive than the 4000 but I also don't know which card is better for AutoCAD 3D. So what do I get RTX 2070S, RTX 4000, or 2080 Ti?

[@mariovillada9354]

Thank mate! I know it is not your area but would you have an idea if an engineer like myself using inventor alongside Ansys would benefit from a quadro?

[@Carnage488]

Great information on this topic

[@Shahinnnnn]

Hello Neil, I am looking for a decent laptop at work to run Inventor, Nastran and Revit mainly. What would be an ideal spec please? I appreciate if you could put me in the right direction. Thanks.

[@gusbert]

Doesn't using the same chip allow Nvidia to do a "select on test" program i.e. if some of the cores do not work, or have to be used at lower frequencies, they can still sell the chip to work on lower spec boards. This greatly improves the effective yields of the chip.

[@CAD_GEEK]

Nvidia does bin their chips.

[@KhueYang]

One of my buddy just did what you said about GeForce. Windows 10 update 20H2 Sent 120 GeForce workstations crashing. Costing the client almost $2 million dollars in loses. His business will probably be going into litigation, because he promised that it GeForce drivers are sufficient and supported for business applications. For 1K profit per machine, its not worth it! You can see forums after forums of people asking for help with autodesk, because of memory errors, and software crashes with GeForce hw, but Nvidia doesnt give a shet.

[@stephenmarkovic878]

Are use a P 400 QuadroWorks perfectly fine and power mill 2022

[@kamikazejs950]

He literally said near the end of the video that businesses should buy the professional cards for employees doing mission-critical tasks.

[@kevinlow69420]

AutoCAD at work crashes all the time for dumb reasons on a machine running a Quadro

[@90ravg]

Honest question: arent quadros faster on the same task though? One thing is to be compatible and pass the test (as you said, is not a performance test), so, with this video it is not clear to me if one would benefit on rendering times for example, by using quadro instead of geforce

[@simpernchong]

Thanks for the insightful investigation.

[@gurpreetbanwait6097]

That is really really eye opening 👍👍👍👍👍

[@stavrost6559]

Great content here...yeah I wish this video was existed few years ago. My experience with Soliworks is quite similar and yes if you know how to set a few things on your cad and card software, you are good to go with other video cards

[@davidboss878]

Thankyou for this TOP video. I agree with you!

[@abc20723]

How about CST Studio Suite? I have to build a PC for my PhD and I will be doing a lot of work on antennas designing. As I checked in CST documentation for GPU computing, it only mentions Quadro or Tesla cards. Can I use the Geforce card instead of Quadro?

[@interuniversal321]

Great advice, thanks.

[@fredygump5578]

This is excellent! I'm not making any money (yet...hopefully?) with my CAD and CAM computer, but it needs a real graphics card. I will start shopping for GeForce immediately!

[@mentrizi]

Hi Mate, thanks for this video it really helps. Can I ask your opinion, do you think a RTX 3080ti is overkill for CAD and Revit? I just bought a 1600.00 Tuf Ampere 3080ti and I'm thinking a 3070 would have been fine at half the price. Thanks Mate.

[@JT-tm5vj]

Very good!!! Thank you

[@I_ammm_mojojojo]

great vids sir. Very informative as always. If you don't mind the questions.. why are you using SLI? What are the benefits with Autodesk software I use AutoCAD (2D) and Revit in my home office (no solid works nor Lumion) .. would a 2080ti or even 2080ti in SLI be beneficial to me?

[@KiwiClawDHA]

If you have cards with NVlink. Usually a Quadro only tech would be what you are looking for. Sli is trash. NVlink actually will give you the 200% not the maybe 150% Though there are more differences in the two cards.

[@glowyboi7175]

Great explanation :) I have been using both cards for 15 years - Quadro blowers are an inferior cooling solution in workstation scenarios. The theory behind them sounds good... but they just don't work lol, and their temps are horrendous compared to higher powered GeForce cards. Blowers are better for multi-GPU racks or SFF scenarios, but this is not most workstation users, and I think its lame that premium cards don't have an option for either blower or open air cooling.

[@falcon-ng6sd]

The triple fan cooler on my Asus ROG Strix Vega 64 absolutely outperforms the reference blower cooler on my Vega 56, with lower noise levels!

[@kesselrunheroj8497]

I watched a video that benchmarked cards on specview perf - which seems to test cards based on the requirements of programs like Autodesk Maya and solidworks and even a Quadro P2000 was on par with the most expensive geforce and consumer grade AMD cards. Are quadro cards specifically tailored at performing the tasks associated with 3d rendering?

[@mangeshdeshmukh7633]

Superb explanation thanx

[@gerryjamieson1861]

Awesome video. So just a question. I use Autocad Arch. 2014 for drawing up Architectural plans, elevations etc. I only draw in 2 dimension. I import a lot of pdf and jpeg images to trace. I currently use an Nvidia Quadro K2000 that has 2 GB of ram (recommended by autodesk at the time of purchase going on 10 years ago. When zooming in and out of a floor plan image the imagery is jerky and very slow. I am sourcing parts for a new workstation build for my home office work. In my situation, would you still recommend the Geforce over the Nvidia? You've got a new subscriber. Thanks

[@jctoves]

Thank you for this video. As a person building his first PC and looking at possibly needing it as a Revit workstation this information is great. I couldn’t find it elsewhere. I have one question. Does it make a difference that the Revit information states DirectX 11 is needed or recommended and the graphics cards have DirectX 12 compatibility? My understanding is that 12 isn’t backwards compatible. I

[@islandersean2213]

What specifications you recommend for architect who build 3d model and rendering? Thanks

[@golfhacker9051]

Very well presented .

[@sherlockone1283]

Good day, I was wondering if you can help me decide what laptop to buy. I am a upcoming mechanical engineering student and we use Solidworks for modeling and simulations. I was looking at a laptop with a NVIDIA Geforce rtx 3070 GPU and I was wondering if it can run solidworks 2020? Thank you for you answers

[@scentilatingone2148]

Thank you mate! This is brilliant!!

[@Neil3D]

Appreciated!

[@allenflud]

Thanks for the insight.

[@rodrigogarcia663]

Very informative video, shout outs from México

[@k4k60]

what about for video editing and visual effects, graphics design or any non-3d application?

[@ramanjudge3715]

Amazing video!! What about the AMD video cards? Do we absolutely need AMD Radeon Pro Series for Autodesk products or Can I run everything with the AMD RX 6800 XT i am about to buy?

[@brbtrg]

There's more benefits to Quadro cards than you mentioned though. Probably aren't worth it for most (home) users (of Autodesk products), but are definitely of great importance in certain cases. But you did a great job explaining!

[@wafahassan4771]

Excuse me, iam very bad at english. i want to buy acer conceptD 7 pro it has nvidia® quadro rtx™ 5000 maxq1 is it good for architecture? Lumion and 3ds max i don't Know is the quadro 5000 like geforce rtx 2060 or it's better?

[@bentonmiller9802]

what gpu and cpu should i get to run visi which is a cad/cam software im going absolutely balls to the wall and i have no budget should i go for single core performance or multi core it is for a CNC machining company

[@camerongordon5818]

If you run Specviewperf benchmark on the Quadro and the 1070 are the results the same? Or does the Quadro leave the 1070 in the dust?

[@sapnasingh6859]

Hi, I want to configure a PC for using Autodesk software ( AEC ) and real time rendering software ( Enscape/ Twin motion, V Ray) and photoshop as well. Can you pls propose a suitable workstation ?

[@gman7949]

Were you using the GeForce Game Ready Driver or Studio driver with your 2080ti SLI setup?

[@tusharmath]

Can't find this tool on the internet, can someone help me out with the executable?

[@khanscombe619]

If at a fair used $$ how could the Quadro M4000 8Gb hold up to an nVidia 10 series or the RTX 2060 or 3060? Use for parallel processing & 3D rendering in Photoshop

[@dandan9175]

Would you recommend quadro just for charting applications or any other gaming gpu? I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 60$ but a quadro m2000 cost me twice. I want to run up to 4 screens of charts, market scanners and market data.

[@brentpolk2431]

I currently have 2 1070's and I need more memory to render via octane and Iray. I was looking at 2 1080 Ti, but I don't game ANYTHING! So would two of these help me or maybe 2 K6000's?

[@ultraengineer7042]

Im trying to get a gpu for a cheap price does a gtx 970 work well for Autodesk Inventor or solidworks by any chance or wait to get a rtx 2060?

[@adeleketobi1]

Thanks for the explanation. #Grateful

[@jaylee2656]

Hi sir,i have a question.Basicly my computer have RTX 2070ti and P4000,for the nvidia setting change p4000 as physx is better?or i change RTX 2070ti as physx?

[@rikazrameez7647]

OK, you just saved me money. Just about to buy a laptop to start my mechanical design freelance career. Thanks

[@arshadm1693]

What are your qualifications?

[@raosahab8966]

Sir, which one can take out faster lumion animation - Geforce RTX 3080ti or Quadro RTX 4000 8GB GDDR6

[@MrLentomannen3]

Thanks for the video? How about fusion 360? The same regarding graphic card?

[@kyleaustria1781]

would a 1660 super out perform a rx 580 on 3d design and simulation on a tight budget build id be running either a 2600 or a 3600 ryzen 5 procie

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Hi. Do you know if the NVIDIA RTX A1000 is a good option for 3D modeling and rendering? If not, which would you recommend? I appreciate your insight!