Seunghan PERMANENTLY Leaves RIIZE. Jessi Assault Controversy Explodes, SEVENTEEN Stage Fire Incident

[@KPOPJunkee]

NEW RELEASES PLAYLIST & TIMECODES - Please respond to this pinned comment with any corrections or things you want to add that I didn't get to mention from this week: (Please make sure it was not mentioned in a previous video or something that is happening later down the line and will probably be mentioned in an upcoming video) OCTOBER (SO FAR) PLAYLIST: open.spotify.com/playlist/7zIDjnH86XPvGZz0a8Wnqz?si=ee33de9067254d16 00:00 SEUNGHAN REJOINS RIIZE AND THEN ANNOUNCES PERMANENT DEPARTURE FROM GROUP 01:58 JESSI FAN ASSAULTED BY MAN AFTER ASKING FOR PHOTO 03:39 FORMER NCT TAEIL FOUND TO HAVE HELD BIRTHDAY LIVESTREAM DAY AFTER BEING BOOKED FOR R*PE 04:31 NEWJEANS HANNI MAKES DECISION TO TESTIFY AGAINST HYBE ABOUT WORKPLACE BULLYING AT UPCOMING AUDIT 05:25 FROMIS_9 JIWON DATING RUMORS WITH TV PERSONALITY JUN HYUN MOO ADDRESSED 06:00 SEVENTEEN STAGE FIRE INCIDENT - HASHTAG OFFICIALLY DISBAND AFTER 7 YEARS 06:51 POSITIVE THINGS TO CELEBRATE IN KPOP: - COMEBACKS & RELEASES INCLUDING JAY PARK FEATURING CHUNGHA, BILLLIE, AESPA SOLOS, BTS JIN, KATSEYE FEATURING TXT YEONJUN, BLACKPINK JENNIE, AND MORE - MUSIC SHOW WINS INCLUDING QWER AND VANNER - NMIXX LILY ADVICE OF THE WEEK LOL

[@dreamingstorm3914]

i think it’s also important to note that seunghan got multiple funeral wreaths sent to the sm building as a response to his return. imagine getting death threats like that but no one talks about it

[@Noeifx]

Can you mention Yutas solo debut and add it to the playlist? Hes been promoting in Japan, but the company isnt doing much to promote him. It is actually very successful and the music is amazing Or at least mention it if you only add korean songs to the playlist

[@ers9314]

The Seunghan situation is just ridiculous, that's one of the most pathetic things I've seen a fandom do.

[@VilmaMks]

Yeah, the other most ridiculous one is asking the team to disband cause without Seunghan there is no RIIZE.

[@spectral__]

They're not real fans. They're just awful people who want to feel in control of other people.

[@atKR1S]

@@VilmaMks or whenever Idols start dating actual people and the so called fans heckle them for just being normal

[@Riizeis7burnsm]

@@VilmaMks nah sm doesn't deserve them. I hope they leave sm

[@imagiguard]

to me, kpop is a “heartcatching industry”, especially in korea. as unfair it may be, this view colors the views of people who date: since their heart has already been caught, they can’t catch any more hearts. this metaphor is based on the manga sugar sugar rune and i don’t plan on letting go of it anytime soon. it’s always there for me whenever uproar over dating happens. we may want it to change, but unfortunately it’s embedded into the dna of the idol industry.

[@yeol174]

truly the fact that there are people who are willing to actually pay money to send so many funeral wreaths to a living person, or claim that if he rejoins the group they’ll bully him until he leaves or unalives himself… it’s sick. and they call themselves “fans” of the group

[@atKR1S]

It’s ridiculous and it mainly happens in Korea. I wouldn’t even call those people fans, more so just weirdos with psychopathic tendencies

[@MikuHatsune159]

They aren't fans at all clearly..... 💩 I can't believe they are willing to do this, but don't care about other more harmful people out there

[@sheryll1536]

like… that is an actual physical threat on someone’s life. SM should have sued their asses but being the losers they are…

[@vixxexo6855]

They are just haters waiting for the perfect oppertunity.

[@olgahein4384]

Well, they DID bully him into leaving the group for good. And those are indeed fans, korean version. They are incredibly toxic and that's because the society in which they live formed them like that. There have been several cases of idols unaliving themselves that are KNOWN to be due to fans bullying them (often female idols, for being 'fat' - lol - and then when they starve themselves, for being 'too skinny'). And those toxic fans showed no remorse when confronted with what they did.

[@youdontknowannyeonghaseyeo5571]

the FUNERAL WREATHS are the most DISRESPECTFUL ACT from a fandom has done

[@yen-8680]

SM fans speciality. Thats what they do when they hate.

[@jhonaleegardner3094]

Exactly. No matter how angry you are why would you literally wish him death?? And the fact that he had to walk past them.

[@lespoirdeve]

Those are not exclusively for funerals in Korean culture. Usually people send them as a gifts. For example, when a new shop opens

[@domdomdominique]

Spending money to buy wreaths and show hate is nuts. Anti-fan economy is giving steady business to florists.

[@orbitsomnia]

​@@lespoirdeve no these were specifically for funerals, I think the messages on the wreaths differentiate funeral ones from other regular wreaths

[@xc0ffin]

I'm not a Riize fan, but this whole thing with Seunghan is one of the reasons I don't like about this whole idol culture. They're humans too you know.

[@lunerlilly]

I completely agree.. and what's sad is it's usually the K fans that are the problem. They really need to fix their social acceptance norms because this is ridiculous. All this because he dated and smoked cigarettes. It's beyond stupid. He's an adult!

[@sonder8310]

sadly their fans aren't as evident by the inhumane behavior they exhibit

[@MaluSilva-yx8nl]

Same, the whole situation is beyond ridiculous... SM's statement saying that "the action were not appropiate for a public figure" when, first, he wasn't even a public figure when that happened, and second, even if he already was it's just normal human things ???

[@AmbiCahira]

​@MaluSilva-yx8nl so, business wise they probably said that because the best way to calm an angry mob is to say something along the lines of "you're right we agree" so it probably was to save/protect the company. I can't help but to think that LSM would have handled this better even if it still would have been for the company. Companies no matter the field will always protect the company as the first priority so protecting idols (employees) is a lower priority. Sadly, since the consumers (fans) dictate income they probably felt like their arm was twisted into letting him go eventhough other idols smoke/vape and date. The demands on the latest gen idols is the strictest I've seen in all my years with kpop.

[@MaluSilva-yx8nl]

@AmbiCahira yeah ofc the most ridiculous part is the amount of kfans complaining about it, and specially how aggressive they're being about it, but I still think that SM could've handled it better just a little at least... Because SM is a rich company with a lot of very successful groups that bring a lot of money, it's not like RIIZE is their only or major source of income (no shade), I think they could handle making a less harsh statement (? idk how to explain in english lol) about one member of their youngest group.. Or maybe tested the waters a bit better before deciding to announce his comeback, not putting the guy with his handwritten letter on the front line like that, idk

[@crystalsnow5046]

Honestly sm is making the worst decision letting Seunghan go because now these toxic fans will just harass whichever idol has done something they don’t like because they know the company will let them go

[@yumyummy3478]

If they didnt Seunghans mental health might have impacted greatly. Those sick so called fans are cruel not only on online but in person also. More than changing industry I hope they will put his wellbeing first.

[@duck8049]

This

[@navier5078]

Nah bro it’s a good thing they let him go because he can finally relax from all this. Also, Fans will harass idols no matter what even if Seunghan didn’t leave.

[@mikkaill93]

This isn’t Same fault tho. It’s all fans fault

[@izzme5204]

​@@mikkaill93they enable this behaviour from knetz. They keep making knetz feel superior by giving him a LONG hiatus and saying he's sorry in his coming back statement. They are just as much at fault.

[@ajschlosser17]

What happened to Seunghan is truly sad. The fact he was gonna come back and then K-netizens and SM just had to ruin everything and crush his dreams it’s awful. And this has been a repeated case with SM

[@noemibernal4882]

@@ajschlosser17 And heartbreaking for the members too who wanted him back

[@americano_stain]

EXACTLY. Just think about what happened to Lucas. SM pushes and pulls their artists around like this to distract from other controversies, namely Taeil

[@ajschlosser17]

@@americano_stain yep! I can’t stand SM honestly I acknowledge they have very talented groups but the company itself is horrible at managing those groups

[@ajschlosser17]

@@noemibernal4882 fr

[@johnslife4993]

Wow SM really just did him dirty just like Jessica. What a shame.

[@youdontknowannyeonghaseyeo5571]

seunghan's case reallly hurts so bad, this is the worst thing that happened it is so traumatizing

[@ToadyMcgee]

And some people sugarcoat the fact that the funeral wreaths are death threats

[@SophieTheArtist]

Those deranged psychopaths who threw all this hate on RIIZE and Seunghan need to listen to Dwight from The Office: “When I am about to do something, I ask myself: would an idiot do that? And if they would, I do not do that thing.” Because as far as I’m concerned: they’re ALL idiots. I’m not a fan but if anything happens to him, I think they deserve hell.

[@HayleeCoded]

Right, and I’m pretty sure if he even tries to join a new group fans (not really fans) will still bash him.

[@bosskpop5710]

Taeil did something even worse but i didn't see K-NETZ being this HARD with him.

[@Sayasaki-ql6hp]

k fans is really crazy

[@youdontknowannyeonghaseyeo5571]

Seunghan was seen roaming around those freaking funeral wreaths with his hands on his head and walk through the subways to look at his posters made by fans once again, this is sooo painful

[@zoorassic-7201]

허락받지 않은 시위였다면 불법으로 취급하고 화환을 치울수 있었겠지만, 허가 받은 시위여서 허락받은 시위 기간동안은 법때문에 화환을 마음대로 치울수없다

[@Kimmy234L]

....and to demonstrate that the agency doesn't care, they didn't promptly remove them or investigate who sent them either.

[@sagalofheim446]

@@zoorassic-7201doesn’t make it ok

[@rizsaja2314]

@@zoorassic-7201 thanks for your information. I wonder why SM didn't throwaway the flowers because having flowers that associated with death in your company is a big no no

[@chunkydillpepper]

@@zoorassic-7201 It isn’t illegal?? That’s even worse, the people who sent those need to go to a mental hospital!

[@tadadw]

sm has done absolutely nothing to protect seunghan. this is extremely disappointing

[@yumyummy3478]

What was they supposed to do. Its not one or two haters but full fandom boycotting. Its not about SM but Korean culture and social mindset ruins this young ppls lives

[@tadadw]

@@yumyummy3478 if sm never put seunghan on hiatus in the first place, this would’ve never happened. they should’ve been protecting him from the beginning, since his privacy was leaked. but no, they put him on hiatus for 10/11 months with no protection

[@Xonatirose]

@@tadadwif they had never put him on hiatus the group would probably not be doing as well as they are today. Let’s face it knetz don’t care about music, they want to boycott, they will boycott and them just debuting and having all that isn’t good for their market or longevity. Instead of a hiatus, if he stayed they probably would have just removed him straight away

[@yuyurae]

@Xonatirose the point is that there should've been legal action taken on whoever leaked his privacy who cares what the kfans think when the reason they're upset is foolish don't be dense

[@tadadw]

@@Xonatirose and yk what sm could’ve done to prevent that hate? SUE THEM!! DINGDINGDING🔔 this is such an easy case of one, defamation towards him AND the other members and two, invasion of privacy. them allowing the “fans” to act this way is hurting the group even more. those “fans” are now trying to get eunseok kicked out because he also (supposedly) had a girlfriend before debuting. this could’ve been prevented from being this huge is sm just had a damn backbone

[@ImMichelle93]

Underneath all of this huge dramatic mess is a regular human who just had the worst few days of his life. I really hope Seunghan is okay and has loved ones who can be with him during this time. My heart breaks for him in this situation.

[@ida2091]

this... i can't even imagine how he would feel...

[@biene218]

The worst year to be honest... like all of what he's done for the past, probably 2 years must feel like it's in vain now. I hope he has a good support system around, like friends and family and I hope he's going to make it big somehow and gets back at these haters with being successful and thriving and living a happy life.

[@ClubPuguin]

@@biene218 And all the time he trained to be an idol(which I heard was 6/7 years long) being wasted by SM poor handling of the situation.

[@fern9277]

I’m so sad that Seunghan was kicked out. He worked so hard for over 2 years to only be an idols for a few months. Sm letting him go allows “fans” to continue acting this way.

[@rosefulmadness]

he never "left", "fans" ripped him from the group

[@fern9277]

@@rosefulmadness yeah you’re right…

[@gyrthez246]

SM did the right thing here. I'd rather Seunghan be allowed to leave the group rather than SM forcing him to stay and we see yet another idol end their lives because of people like this. What allows fans to continue to act this way is no action being taken by SM and other companies.

[@saatoshi318]

he trained for 7 years, just for this 😢

[@fern9277]

@@saatoshi318 7??? I thought it was 2! Holy shit

[@yinxayame]

I'll never forgive ot6 briize for what they did to this boy. They literally bullied Seunghan till he left the group. They couldn't give him a happy return, no, just 2 days after announcing he was coming back they had to push him till the end. Sickening.

[@VilmaMks]

I agree, but now his international fans are asking the group to disband which is kinda doing the same knetizens did to Seunghan: bullying them even when they're not at fault.

[@yinxayame]

@@VilmaMks OMG, that's even worse! The members are not at fault for being in such a shitty company 😫

[@ToadyMcgee]

​@VilmaMks not arguing but the only international fans I've seen saying something similar to that specifically only say that because they fear that sm has emboldened toxic fans who will only get worse and they don't trust sm to ever protect any of them. in short they want riize free of the toxic fans and sm and don't see another way to do it

[@yuyurae]

@VilmaMks I don't think you get what they mean by disband its not in a negative way its more to prove a point that the members come before fans like that

[@VilmaMks]

@@ToadyMcgee What kind of logic is that? I don't buy it.

[@tiannacowan6999]

I don't understand why some people are blaming Jessi and not the man who assaulted someone

[@yumyummy3478]

Same! What were they expecting. For Jessi fight? Calling police is the smartest

[@maggie198333]

Ikr? I was so shocked when I read the YT comments like “are we watching the same video?”

[@felix_a_fiend]

Like do they expect her to start fighting 😭

[@navier5078]

Because she didn’t call the cops and allegedly just went to another bar after her fan got beat up. But I do agree people should be more mad at the guy who assaulted the fan.

[@TM-wp8xy]

Insert my favourite quote- "like a compass needle that points north, a man's accusing finger always finds a woman" It's always easier for society to blame a woman somehow!!

[@gnabnahcfn]

The fact that Korean stand are more worried about an idol having a gf BEFORE he became an idol more that an idol who did sexual crimes to a minor is crazy (Taeil). I hope seunghan is ok I’ll Miss him frl

[@abytamena]

@@gnabnahcfn so was it confirmed that Jaeil did that to a minor?? I've been MIA with that case lately

[@nusaibatahsin5249]

@@abytamena no the victim was not a minor

[@gnabnahcfn]

@@abytamena Yes he was 🍇ing a girl since he was 14 and he was 26. I think that was his age and it kept on untill he was 17-18. He just got into jail I think

[@jess-di1zb]

@@abytamena no, the victim was not confirmed to be a minor. the word about him doing stuff to a minor were made up when the news first broke, not defending that man at all, but all of that stuff with a minor was never confirmed by anyone

[@abytamena]

@@jess-di1zb yeah, that's what I knew... thanks💖

[@Kawaiicarly]

I can’t imagine spending money on a FUNERAL WREATH to harass a young man who has done literally nothing wrong but enjoy his youth. Its sick. While there is a real criminal under the same company, they treat an innocent man like the real criminal. This is truly the worst part of KPop and even though I am not a Briize, I really like Riize and can’t imagine how the fandom is feeling right now. Seunghan, whos future, dreams, hardwork and youth has now been thrown away due to no fault of his own is truly the biggest victim. I hope he can find happiness and success in the future, he deserves it.

[@baleksander000]

Because some kpop fans are stupid

[@leot1864]

I thought Seunghan's case was a miracle. Some idols ( Wonho, Soojin, Lucas) had to leave their groups due to scandals and couldn't return so when I heard about Seunghan's news I was shocked bc I think it never happened before in kpop that an idol who left their group due to some scandal could rejoin their group but I guess I was wrong. I wish Seunghan the best in the world bc he didn't deserve any of this.

[@ClubPuguin]

He was on "hiatus" technically but they sure acted like he didn't exist.

[@chikenman334]

this Taeil guy just casually doing a bday live? dafck

[@yumyummy3478]

Well if he was that upright and nice person he wouldnt have commit crime in first place. Hiding and lying about your dirt is most expected

[@noL_0130]

I feel so bad for Seunghan...he's been through so much, I hope he's doing okay... SM needs to really consider what they're doing considering their literal CRIMINAL still staying under the company. Thanks Kpop Junkee 😭 I hope the RIIZE members are doing ok as well.

[@KPOPJunkee]

Thank YOU for being here and also sharing your thoughts! I hope they're doing okay as well..

[@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia]

The knetz who supported Seunghan are organizing an SM boycott. It's the company's fault that he was on hiatus for a year. They should have returned him to the group so much sooner than now or stuck to their decision to keep him when they announced it. If they were okay with removing him, that should have been Friday's announcement instead. I'm not even a _fan_ of this group and this is frustrating. This could be literally any member of any group. There are "fans" trying to remove members of other groups I bias right now and I just hate the thought that this could happen to them too.

[@yuyurae]

My heart continuously breaks for Seunghan no amount of fans should dictate his dream and career i hope he has so much love and support during this tough time

[@darasimijuanita]

no how were they expecting a woman to intervene in a violent situation between men bro...and she didn't even know the people involved like that

[@Neo-Queenserenityt2l]

No she doesn't but if someone beats your fan up at least try to stop them by yelling for something

[@joannagalvez6331]

The fact that SM Ent allowed the funeral wreaths set-up in front of their building was ridiculous. Like wtf. Is it a legal? Can someone contemplate a legal actions into this. Dear Seunghan please have a strong heart and mind.

[@ajamzmom4882]

They tried this at the HYBE building during Suga DUI investigation, the wreaths, the death threats, asking for him to be removed HYBE's response was BTS is 7 period. Everyone talks about how horrible HYBE is but at least they defend their artists, the one's that don't try to back stab them that is.

[@arianaking3009]

@@ajamzmom4882 I mean BTS built HYBE. If they tried to kick Suga out, I don't doubt that every single one of the members would have left with him.

[@nancybarajas7555]

@@joannagalvez6331 sm can't do much about it because the "fans" got protest permits. They can set wreaths up and protest as long as it doesn't block the walk area

[@annalisanorman9013]

It was legal because they got permits from the city.

[@ajamzmom4882]

@annalisanorman9013 legal, the person is not dead. I would view this as a death threat, and a safety concern. I'm sure death threats are not legal.

[@12yrKpopStan]

I am a pissed off BRIIZE😤I was overly ecstatic for 2 days, then outright kicked in the groin the next day. I can't process this right now. Take care Seughan. I hope wherever you go, you are treated well.

[@SophieTheArtist]

I’m not a fan but I do love 2 SM groups (EXO and Red Velvet), and unfortunately I’m very used to all those stupid psychopaths online whose only thing in life is to throw hate at our faves 🤦‍♀️ Anyway, just know that you have my support!

[@boomlove3454]

I was actually so proud of SM for bringing him back only for this, that company and some of those fans disgust me beyond levels

[@andsoshebecameaphoenixandf561]

Seunghan made the best decision for himself. SM and those crazy fans are disgusting. For SM as a whole company to allow that kind of behavior from those crazy people is disgusting. Seunghan deserves positivity and supportive people around him. SM will never take accountability for being apart of toxic fan behavior by enabling and encouraging it by not taking legal action. I feel so sorry to Seunghan and the members. This so sad. I hope he finds peace and has a strong support system.

[@AtTheSkyof5.53IFoundYouandI]

I just saw a Tiktok of Seunghan getting out of SM building and seeing those funeral wreaths. My heart broke 💔 seeing that clip. Poor boy he didn't do anything wrong. All he did was follow his dream to be an idol. And he ended up getting such hate. Damn I'll never forgive those people who did this to him.

[@alperry02]

Great job, SM, for caving to deranged bullies smh. What a joke

[@natalee_a7]

Knetz bullied him out of the group and SM just stood there and fed into their delusions for 10 months. Stanning the group is impossible and I just can’t stand alongside a fandom that bullied one of the members to the point of wishing for him to di3. This situation sucks

[@yeol174]

I read that they put out the statement about Seunghan leaving while all the other members were on a plane so that they couldn’t see it immediately. So many fans wanted him to come back, he doesn’t deserve this treatment, but sm only cared about the backlash from a part of the Korean fandom (which was very violent, like threats etc, there should be some legal consequences for that)

[@TootieFrootie-ub9uz]

The only reason I can keep up with all this😭😭

[@KPOPJunkee]

Glad the videos help! There's so much going on 😮‍💨

[@TootieFrootie-ub9uz]

@@KPOPJunkee real

[@lightofhalazia]

Seunghan deserves better, from both SM and the fans. SM has set a terrible precedent with this decision. I understand Seunghan's desire to leave after this, but this behavior from fans is unacceptable.

[@seriousleh]

jessi's situation is honestly relatable bc what I would've done the same if someone i only met that day started fighting with someone i met 2 minutes ago ...

[@tomdata3340]

@@seriousleh like why are they expecting a WOMAN to intervene in a fight between two MEN late at night? Especially since they're strangers. That's just an unnecessary risk no woman should take.

[@nicolespruitt675]

@seriousleh also the guy should have just walked away when he didn't get what he wanted

[@최민창-q2r]

@@nicolespruitt675 Not to point fingers on anyone, but the situation might need to be further explained. The guy who got assaulted did try to walk away when he didn't get what he wanted. The guy then got assaulted. Thus, Jessi's intervention should have been to call the police instead of walking to a bar and enjoying another drink. Going to a bar after seeing an underage fan getting beat up by strangers does not really seem like an ideal response.

[@jemiinou]

@최민창-q2r Sorry, but is she his mother? Why is a minor late out at night? Jessi is not responsible for him. She didn't do anything wrong, but you still find a way to blame her rather than those men. Why not blame the rest for not calling the police?

[@hanaelabrim6267]

@@seriousleh true but I read Korean comments and they are blaming Jessi for this like what did you expect her to do They just took the chance to be racist to her

[@amandarivera25]

SM is really getting on my last nerve

[@moshimic5628]

The time SM attempted to put EXO-K (I think is the group name?) in a slave contract, really messed it up for me, and further proves that the problems SM have are just deeply rooted. Crazy part is these are problems that we know publicly, and there could be way more happening BTS. This wasn’t the first, since TVXQ fell victim to this and the 3 members put it to court (and thankfully won), but it still shows a lot about how messed up SM is, and even HYBE from the looks of it. Then again, I think it’s also pretty safe to say many known and big companies (especially if those are pretty old) are just a group of horrible people.

[@KingWin0114]

The fact that in knetz forums people are congratulating themselves after destroying his dreams says a lot.... My heart breaks while allegely seeing a video of seunghan seeing the funeral wreaths...

[@user-mr8gb3jo4f]

It's the fans of this idol group did this. Lol People don't care too much.

[@bbeomryu]

i really hope seunghan has a strong support network around him, think about how cruel this REALLY is, to have the mat so brutally pulled out from under you yet again, and so publically! i’m so pissed off at sm, at knetz, i’m not even a riize fan but this is just awful, those people lack basic human decency and emphathy.

[@person35790]

Seunghan has nothing to apologize for. He did nothing wrong, he simply was living life as a normal teenager. What antifans have done to him is awful.

[@crackheadkpopfan3985]

This news actually makes me so sad. SM is such a fucked up company and as a SM stan I was willing to let all their past mistakes go but its all just gotten really bad. Like they can't manage their groups and just kick out people whenever they want. Not to mention their idols are all over the place, there are scandals left and right. Im so tired of this and my heart breaks for seunghan.

[@Kitkatfox-fs]

seunghan left on his own accord but yeah SM really frick it up

[@crackheadkpopfan3985]

@@Kitkatfox-fs that makes it all the more sad

[@nyek1246]

SM SHOULD'VE REMOVED THOSE WREATHS THE MOMENT THOSE WERE DELIVERED THERE. It was a clear death threat and shouldn't have been allowed to stay there. The fact that SM didn't care enough for Seunghan's mental health to quickly handle and remove those, is just so disappointing in all areas. It might have took so much to even think about coming back, just to be treated like this, and then to be technically pused into leaving, is just so much. I hope he has someone to be with him, because this is just not okay.

[@_inasali]

If this is how fans reacted to Seunghan having a gf pre debut then I wonder what will happen when these Korean briizes (some not all ofc), find out the members might get married one day😭

[@maheephoenix4398]

You know what they did when super junior's Seungmin got married, their fans collected money and bout SM shares to kick him out of the group. These Knetz are crazy people.

[@_inasali]

@@maheephoenix4398 That's insane. It's crazy that they associate being a fan with having ownership of these idols

[@AwakeningWings]

@@_inasali ANd SM created that behavior.

[@EvieStevie-Ahgase]

The music industry is so toxic especially kpop. I hope Seunghan is ok and that all the people (they aren’t fans they are bullies) who sent the funeral flowers to sm get karma and feel ashamed for what they did

[@spectral__]

K-Netizens really never want me to run out of reasons to despise them for ruining everything. That poor boy. Put on hiatus for being a normal teen, brought back by his members, and pressured out for good by awful people. Karma isn't kind.

[@faithkaura7972]

The this whole seunghan situation is making relise that being a kpop Stan isn't fun anymore....its all about toxic rumours...u know u would think someone will get so much hate because of of criminal aligation or like bullying...but people are sending those death flowers things just because of someone had a life....yalll are disgusting..ruining someone life like that...I hope u guys are happy...I hope the members are okay and seunghan is fine

[@truetigress8401]

AGREED. It is this kind of behavior why I call myself their FAN rather than go by the "fandom" name because I do not associate with liars, manipulators, and those who cause harm just for fun. Fu.. that Shizzzzz.😠

[@dalayneejo]

i have no idea how SM expects riize to move forward from this, especially as a “global group”. they’ve essentially torched the bridge they’ve worked hard to build with a large majority of the group’s international fans by enabling this mess and the parasocial fans behind it. i feel so horrible for seunghan and the riize members - their mental health must be in shreds over this.

[@kinoko-d3x]

At this point, I’m thinking SM never intended to bring Seunghan back. They put him on hiatus for 10 months over a minor thing. The news outlet that came out first was pretty much their final decision. But why not put a spin on it. Gives the OT6 fans a feeling of triumph, the OT7 fans someone else to blame for his departure, and all the free buzz that came along with it.

[@AwakeningWings]

Reminded me of SKZ and their former band member. Some Knetizens took it upon themselves to bully/cyberbully him and tried to petition him out of the group for the way he looked and this was all before he left. It's just the repetition of these situations over and over again.

[@g1nk_]

@@AwakeningWings those are two different situations. woojin left on his own accord, nor was he on hiatus before his departure. soojin would be a more similar comparison, rumors of her bullying back in hs (still never confirmed) resurfaced which caused her to be on hiatus only to eventually terminate her contract

[@yellowblitzever]

I've seen a few amount of people still defending Taeil even after everything that's been announced, but nothing on poor Seunghan being harassed and bullied out of his group. The funeral wreaths are absolutely sickening. The fact that SM let it happen is appalling. Fans, especially those who hurt and bully groups/a specific member, shouldn't have that type of control over a company. If anyone should apologise, it's them and SM for failing to protect Seunghan. Some people need to realise idols are humans too.

[@AwakeningWings]

SM has been treating their idols like this for years. There was a former older group that was suing them. That company doesn't know how to protect its artists from anything.

[@sone12ot95]

please unfollow riize from all platforms, stop interacting with the official accounts and don’t stream any of their music. take the boycott seriously, this is our last chance to stand up for what is right. let’s be loud with our words as well as our actions. if you really want to make a change, if you wanna be heard, take this as a serious matter. it’s seunghan today, it can be any other idol tomorrow. boycott sm entertainment, boycott riize

[@JaxBox1]

I think It won’t work, and it’s gonna hurt him and his bandmates if he finds out certain fans are boycotting. I thought the boycott would work but the problem is actually the fandom.

[@Star14Light]

Shouldn’t a person just boycott the company and not the group who tried their best to bring back a member into said group after so long?

[@choiichanhee_]

Even though it’s not a bad idea, Seunghan literally said that he doesn’t want to hurt riize as a group, and this defo won’t help :/

[@zoorassic-7201]

미안하지만 결국 구매력이 더 강한 쪽이 이길수밖에 없다...영향력을 행사하고 싶으면 한국보다 외국의 수입이 더 커야해.....돈을 쓰지않는 쪽의 의견보다 돈을 많이 쓰는쪽의 의견을 듣는게 당연하잖아...이건 사업이야...슬프지만

[@jemiinou]

The only way to boycott SM, is to boycott their groups. Just don't buy albums, stream on fan uploaded videos, use adblockers. It's not the boys fault, but SM never faces the consequences of their actions and should at least once this time.

[@nurulfatehah650]

and then when an idol actually unalive themselves suddenly everyone said they love him and that they have always supported him

[@4eyesinthecorner399]

Honestly I feel like Jessi did well considering the situation. She politely declined and intervened when the producer started to be confrontational and even tried to separate them further and protect her fan before it got out of hand. It was late at night and she was with a man she barely knew who is likely stronger than her so I commend her for intervening as much as she did.

[@catrice1296]

While i wouldn’t go as far as to say commend but its a relatable and familiar rxn. Well tbf where i saw fights everyday multiple times a day was at school where i knew the school staff and police were already running down the halls on their way there. Ive seen someone get tazed by the school police. But yeah. For me imma just move on. Almost got crushed by 2 dudes fighting and ended up crashing into the table right next to where i was sitting while i was just trying to mind my own business eating my stupid disgusting lunch that i waited too long for in line. What kind of school only has 2 lines for like 300 kids if theres only 25 min to eat????? Maybe calling the cops could have helped but tbh other ppl probs have already called the cops. If she already heard someone do so then atp its safer just to skedaddle esp who knows if it would get more violent and one of then could pull the same crap that almost got me crush by to stinky hormone driven dudes. Srsly tho idk whats up with my middle and highschools. I swear 90% of them (this is about an accurate representation bc after the top 10% of highschool grads passed through the rest really were um not there to learn??? I barely did anything bc i get to stressed out to study properly so i didnt really study and i was still top 3%. Aka 25/almost 800. So idk maybe im desensitized to fights bc im used to ppl with underdeveloped prefrontal cortexs. I mean i cant say my brain is that much better due to my overactive fight or flight instincts which are so strong that i tick every single symptom for it minus blood pressure. But yeah. Teachers at my old hs were not allowed to break up fights and students who tried were also punished. Only the school police was allowed to separate them for safety, ability, and liability issues and id imagine it would be similar for jessi. Also would not recommend a grown man stepping in physically either. Verbally yes but you never know if someone is carrying a weapon of some sort. Just bc its illegal doesnt mean ppl dont have them. So verbal communication, distraction, distancing the victim from attacker, redirection, and intimidation (only really works with a scary looking person or someone who looks like they gotta lot of lawyers on speed dial) but doing those to try to keep damage done to the victim as minimal as possible (i say this but id bet these things would be a little harder to apply and think of on the spot than in a long winded comment). So basically long story short her lack of involvement seems to have some justification and i probs would have done similarly. Except my plans would have been completely fractured and i would probs retreat home for thr next 2-3 weeks.

[@Freddc777]

Justice For Seunghan 😔

[@JianahKieich]

I will forever hate SME for what they did to seunghan

[@kooktaelyfei6359]

Bro i'm pretty sure there's video of seunghan walking by those funeral things on tiktok, i don't stan this group like that, but this is very heart breaking. This deadass pisses me off.

[@baiszhn]

man, i’ve been into kpop for so long yet RIIZE’s situation is so bad, it’s so appalling. i feel bad for seunghan. to hell to those so called “fans”. they just ruined a person’s dream and their friendship.

[@youdontknowannyeonghaseyeo5571]

center 5 literally should have protected seunghan from those toxic people

[@tulip135]

What a shame that such talented people can piss away their gift by being horrible human beings. Hope Taeil rots in jail.

[@lepidopteraxx]

The fact that SM didn’t protect Seunghan also makes me sad. I feel like in some way he was scapegoated.

[@angelcake13]

never ask a kpop fan what happened on october 13, 2024

[@Blossoming-o6r]

The first story - is why kpop fandom gets such a bad name.

[@Seungberry_world_domination]

Instead of SM dealing with seunghans dating scandal they hiatus him for almost a YEAR and then announce his return and then he decides to leave, there’s a chance it was from the trucks and flowers or smth happened behind the scenes in SM… For the love of the idols under SM, SM PLEASE DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM ON HIATUS

[@milky_quartz]

the fans inside of korea are treating this so insanely. their response to Seunghan is Not a normal behavior response. funeral wreaths?? hashtag seunghan out in hangul ??? basically a repeat of when international stans trended GARAM OUT 3 years ago. they see they can coerce these companys . its really sad, and really disconcerting. SM is so cruel ! Imo its time boycotted them over their haphazard & inhumane responses to how they handle their artist during any kind of incidents like these

[@ldksjal7skxdgsg.d]

I don't think this is the case with all of KPOP, but KPOP agencies do not value artists. In particular, I think there are too many management mistakes at HYBE and SM.

[@nicolespruitt675]

Given how new Riize is, they probably saw him as expendable.

[@RisuAlto]

Poor Seunghan. I feel so awful for him and all the members. It's such a shame SM didn't adequately protect him.

[@kurryjb_ib988]

It is a devastating event. And for the fan who waiting him for 10 months (including me although im just a casual listener), it must be deeply disappointed for them. Without any update about him throughout the year it and resulting on giving a fake hope both the fan and the members since the members also want him to go back into the group. By the end on the day international fans opinion do not have any weight in decision making. We win the battles but lost the war. Always hoping they will be successful but I will just watch from far.

[@Eli-nl8rh]

I truly feel disgusted at Seunghans situation, I can’t fathom how he felt after receiving death threats, it is insane. Idols are not your belongings! Please respect them!

[@PrinceDuCiel7]

Ah, I used to have no particular feelings towards Korea. After getting into kpop and experiencing how cruel their culture is. I only have bad feelings. Again and again, I see how collectively horrible they are to each other. Individuals are good but the whole is rotten. The food, films, music and history is cool, but my gods I feel like I can’t support people behind it all.

[@loureedpipes]

I think it's mostly fans of k-pop, and entertainment agencies that act like this and uphold this standard. Kpop companies specifically seem to cultivate this fandom culture. The general public in Korea seems baffled by fan behavior/ idol culture

[@PrinceDuCiel7]

@@loureedpipes Yeeaaah that doesn’t hold up. Every single facet from politics to schools to businesses and other forms of media run on the same flavour of social control. Individuals can be OK but gods does it sink into everything else. And I’ve seen it from people living outside of Korea too who’ve immigrated. The same f-up hypocritical standards.

[@maatlamogapi9758]

@@PrinceDuCiel7 Couldn't agree more with you. Thats what I have come to realize too, them as individuals is a yes/maybe but collectively they are a hell nah!

[@fangirl365]

Show of hands: Who is boycotting SM after this?

[@user-je6io6cv5d]

@@fangirl365 literally no one. Int fans will say sm bad and the minute aespa comeback comes around, everyone will go back to spending money on sm. Sm has done this for years like with Henry Super Junior in 2008 and they will keep catering to kfans.

[@J4keobs33ed]

🙋‍♀️

[@J4keobs33ed]

@@user-je6io6cv5dTHIS IS A SERIOUS BOYCOTT I WONT BE SPENDING MONEY ON RIIZE OR AESPA

[@lika17carat]

Seunghan's PERSONAL photos were leaked against his will. HE is a victim of this situation. How can those fans not understand this?!

[@dokessezeaka5159]

Sm made this whole ordeal bigger than it was supposed to be. The haitus should have been less than 3 months cause people would have forgotten about it especially with all the HYBE drama. And its ridiculous for them to succumb to a small group of haters, who care more about Seunghan having a gf before debut than Taeil sexually assaulting a drunk woman. Literally crazy deprived delusional people

[@jaya2572]

Harrassment, Death threats and Bullying is not a glorious thing to do as a human being, regardless of who you are. These k-fans thinking they're above normal humans beings to feel so entitled over idol's life make me sick. Who do they think they are? Definitely not people with a happy life because how desperate they are to maintain their delusions that they can't accept someone else having a freaking normal life. What kind of culture is that allows you to take away someone's job like that? The more I spend time in K-pop, the more I keep loosing respect for k-fans and their culture ffs.

[@Ki-BTS-SKZ-ATZ-TXT-ENH-NCT]

Seunghan hurts so bad

[@tegarlagajoebhaar8936]

One cafe in a North Jakarta mall just had a RIIZE-dedicated karaoke to celebrate Sungchan and Seunghan’s birthday, as well as the group’s first anniversary. I’m no BRIIZE, but I know some people who are. But you’re right, if no one is stung by the news, then they’re either just casual fans (not hardcore fans), or they don’t care bout Seunghan. Hopefully the smart and wise people don’t have an ass-backwards reaction with the Taeil and Seunghan situation (sometimes feelings towards an idol as an individual can play a factor within one’s knowledge and wisdom). I mean, how could SM be so weak and crumble to the words of haters? Read between the lines, SM people! Maybe they (those crooked employees) could have a personal vendetta against Seunghan hence his departure. It’s clear as day who’s in the wrong between the two aforementioned former SM talents. Let’s not talk about Korean netizens for a bit here, if people coming out from the RIIZE noraebang hearing about the Seunghan news feels happy and says something along the lines of “you don’t deserve to be an idol, now eat what you just caused”, then they are heartless and they got the situation mixed up. Unlike Taeil, Seunghan didn’t harm anyone mentally and physically, it’s just those sensitive minds coming into play from those so-called fans.

[@shardtheicedragon]

They should've brought him back earlier maybe in 119 promotion.

[@xxkerosenexkidxx]

Seunghan shouldn't have had to deal with this, should idols just somehow be perfect and have a clean image before even becoming idols?? Should they just not be human? Young people do dumb shit and it shouldn't ruin careers because things are learned while growing up that change the person as they grow. So ridiculous

[@luvuiu1447]

The RIIZE Weverse has gone to absolute chaos. It’s quite literally international OT7 BRIIZE vs. Korean & Chinese OT6 “BRIIZE”, for the past 4 days straight.

[@Star14Light]

I feel bad for seugnhan amidst all this the most and thank the gods I deleted my weverse to get away from the toxicity

[@melanie3906]

Holy crap so much happened this week in kpop. Genuinely thank you kpop junkee for always reporting neutrally and after facts are released cause they’re is so much misinformation online and if I tried this I’d definitely not be able to contain my feelings 😂 What happened to Seunghan truly is heartbreaking. The fact that after 10 months the Riize members and Seunghan both said they wanted to be together, yet their own ‘fans’ sent so many death threats and funeral flowers forcing Seunghan to leave in 2 days? How can these people think they’re fans when they don’t even listen to the idols they supposedly love and have shown that they’ll want them dead the second they don’t listen to them. I do hope both Seunghan and Riize will find their happiness with time as sad as I am I can’t even imagine what they all must be feeling 😢

[@KPOPJunkee]

I appreciate the kind words so much! Thank you for being here and for the trust!

[@kpopstanforeva-17]

The Seunghan case is truly devastating and I really believed that RIIZE will always be 7....#BRINGSEUNGHANBACK

[@gusgus8344]

NOOOOO SEUNGHANNN 😭😭

[@pineapple1612]

I am so sorry for Seunghan... As far as I was following his whole situation there was absolutely nothing ge would have had to apologize for!? He has been seen smoking and a predebut photo with his then girlfriend was leaked? Aren't those the most average things that young adults do/experience? (Although it obviously is way better if you never start smoking smonking in the first place) Ridiculous situation!

[@doubledead1413]

I’m not even a fan of Rizze, but what these so called “fans” did is absolutely Vile. IDOLS ARE STILL HUMANS WITH HUMAN FEELINGS. They don’t know you and they never will, so don’t think you ever have a claim or right to any of them. Get off ur delusional cloud and set urself back to reality.

[@truetigress8401]

I AM a fan of Riize and I agree with you completely.

[@C.Loreen]

Seunghan if you see this DON'T LET PEOPLE DRAG YOU DOWN, IT'S YOUR HAPPINESS AND YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY. MAKE YOURSELF HAPPY ALRIGHT.

[@ladyteruki]

This was a very interesting episode of Law & Order: Seoul !

[@depressed_humanbeing]

This is all because of those ot6 fans....

[@Rin-dc5zw]

The Seunghan case just breaks my heart. The amount of disappointment I feel towards these creatures that call themselves fans of a group... I can't. These people should be ashamed of themselves for even calling themselves humans at this point because genuinely, wtf?

[@boogiebear3095]

He deserves so much better. This angers me!

[@FallforcupidD]

It's crazy how he was just being a normal teenager & he's being punished for it. That's just awful. I hope he can redebut somewhere else, but he's probably traumatized from this whole thing.

[@shea5387]

I don’t normally comment on anything but wtf is wrong with the people that hated on seunghan bro?, he’s a human and I shouldn’t even have to say that but these people are so controlling and weird, I love K-pop but I really can’t deal with the fandom’s sometimes they ruin everything.

[@karekare1261]

Love you KpopJunkee! Always doing the kpop news right ❤❤❤❤

[@KPOPJunkee]

I always appreciate you being here 😭🙏 It keeps me going!

[@notminghao]

Thank you for giving us updates!! Seunghans situation is uniting all fandoms together and hopefully we can get Justice

[@amandag1337]

My head and heart hurts. I just want to say that we should just let people live and worry about our own lives. Stop the bullying and thinking that you own someone because you spend money/are their "fan".

[@angelinadulac]

Imagine losing a friend to bullying, who walked across 1000 funeral wreaths left by your "fans" and your company didn't even bother to take down sooner, and you have to keep going to perform knowing that among the crowd are people that did that to your best friend, people that would turn their back on you for living like a human, go everyday into a company with people that don't give a single fvck about your well being. They must be feeling so powerless that they couldn't even mention his name. I don't even know Riize like that but I actually cried for Seunghan and the other members, I'm just so sad for them

[@mugi52650]

Their is one thing I would like to say people should stop worrying about seunghan leaving RIIZE, he is already blessed because greater things more than being an idol are waiting for him a head of him, he is going to be a successful man and those who threw trash on him will always feel ashamed when they look at him. And for the record the knetizens should be worried because what they say in seunghan that time the saw a weak version of himself, their is a strong version and successful version they have not yet seen. Big up to all those who carry the light.

[@truetigress8401]

With all this Trump shizzzz happening in America right now and all that's happening in Kpop land I admit my light has dimmed greatly and I am left in deep stress and sadness...if you have light I could surely use a jump...give me hope man...just a little you can spare...thanks so much.

[@aribloomfield4527]

i love this comment thanks for making it i hope by some way seunghan can see this sigh

[@nyla.222]

See how they look so beautiful, in sync and in harmony being 7 but the wicked souls chased him away from fulfilling him dream...and sending death wreaths to a living person?!!!!! This whole thing is just stupid and I hope Seunghan is really okay. He's still young for crying out loud!!!! 💔🤦🏻‍♀️

[@sunme1673]

Sm should have never put him on a hiatus. This only fed into those bullies' delusions. Also, there needs to be strong legal action taken against them and maybe public exposure too, it's just outrageous to act like this. These specimens never really learn unless for a big reality check.

[@maggie198333]

Can putting up funeral wreaths at a non-funeral place be considered a death threat?

[@Star14Light]

It’s still disrespectful and disgusting especially it is being done intentionally towards a person who did not do any illegal crimes

[@chaeyoungsstrawberryfarm3327]

To think that they’re so silent on the Teil situation, but Seunghan having a life before being an idol is the biggest crime in their eyes. It’s insane.

[@Penchlemon]

I feel so horiible because it feels like the people who love to cyberbully or treat idols as if they own them are winning. They got what they wanted. And i can’t do anything about it

[@AwakeningWings]

On the brighter side, the idols that leave don't have to deal with SM or the horrible fans anymore.

[@angelabromley3712]

As a person that has sold flower arrangements I'm not understanding taking an order for a funeral flower delivery for a live person outside their place of business. I can't imagine taking such an order, or fulfilling it.

[@lublimonii3186]

HIII LOVE YOU AND YOUR VIDEOS!!!

[@KPOPJunkee]

I appreciate that so much!! 🥰🥰

[@broiamjustvibing743]

i'm not a briize, but the seunghan situation is devastating and infuriating. as a non-fan, i was sooo excited to hear that he was finally returning, but that went down the drain just two days later. sm really failed him and all those "fans" that harassed him should feel shame, but knowing them i'm willing to bet money that they don't. really a shame all around.

[@SpaceMonkiiBob]

I’m sooooooo pissed and sad for seunghan 😭