Severance Episode 4 Review & Breakdown | Theories and Clues

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@geekademy
@geekademy 9 сағат бұрын
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@Hobodeluxe007
@Hobodeluxe007 8 сағат бұрын
ngl that music as Irv was descending into the dream had me spooked. and I don't spook easy. I do cry easy when sad stuff happens but to actually give me chills takes a bit. Horror movies are comedies for me so this hits different for some reason.
@Hobodeluxe007
@Hobodeluxe007 8 сағат бұрын
Mark saw Gemma when he busted his nut.
@ikimeht
@ikimeht 8 сағат бұрын
In regards to the Night Gardener story, it reminded me of that moment in Arrested Development where Lucille says, "It's one banana, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?" It's a stupidly rich person disconnect. Helena down in MDR thinking "What do the poors do? Watch TV in lame apartments? Who would they talk to? Maybe gardeners?"
@brownbear112
@brownbear112 7 сағат бұрын
“What do the POORS do?” - That made me laugh out loud lol
@Loudfilmz
@Loudfilmz 6 сағат бұрын
That story was weak… can’t believe she couldn’t make up a better story - I think still think irv would have realised she wasn’t helly because of her behaviour
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 5 сағат бұрын
I wonder how all the people feel who didn't think it was Helena and gave all their reasons. they were decent reasons, counts for both ways having good reasons since it was hard to tell and it had the audience divided if it was her or not. but I wonder if the people who thought it was just Helly like this, hate it, feel like their intuition isn't as good as they thought, all that
@UKProgRock
@UKProgRock 4 сағат бұрын
I think she's got very little experience ever being outside of the Egan cult, so very little to actually use as a reference point too.
@AlishaVolante
@AlishaVolante 5 сағат бұрын
I need John Tuturro to win an Emmy for this outstanding performance. Wow. Incredible. i cried real tears while the credits rolled.
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
I was in actual shock... I still am
@thomasrafferty7184
@thomasrafferty7184 7 сағат бұрын
Irving was the one who figured it out because his Outie is an Undercover Agent investigating Lumon.
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 5 сағат бұрын
He got enough data when he was out there, and he obviously has the mental framework.
@Mackathne
@Mackathne 2 сағат бұрын
Even John Tuturro himself said he thinks who Irving is outside is the reason he's able to pick up on the things he did and not let them go
@ombhetwal778
@ombhetwal778 35 минут бұрын
If you look at Ervin closely, he has imperfections, his mouth seems to be slanted at one side. He could be 3d printed
@yousawnothin
@yousawnothin 29 минут бұрын
@@ombhetwal778bro that’s how his actor just looks lmao this isn’t gravity falls dipper cloning
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv 11 минут бұрын
​@@ombhetwal778maybe he had a small stroke in the past irl
@paularized1
@paularized1 5 сағат бұрын
I think we can expect Dylan to discover some sort of macguffin from Irving in the near future. When Irving said to him “Just remember. Hang in there”, it was said way too intentionally to be random. I’m guessing he hid something behind the hang in there poster in the break room.
@paularized1
@paularized1 5 сағат бұрын
When Irving trips and his torch goes out, the sound design is interesting. It almost sounds like he ran into something like boxes or a filing cabinet. It was really strange sounding and probably for a reason.
@regularartist699
@regularartist699 3 сағат бұрын
because its a dead hollow tree trunk covered in snow. it would have the same sound as a cushioned filing cabinet
@paularized1
@paularized1 5 сағат бұрын
I’ll fully admit that when that jump scare happened with the bride, it scared the lineage outta me.
@luizaayvazyan8362
@luizaayvazyan8362 5 сағат бұрын
That scene was giving "From" vibes and was really scary 😅
@politereminder6284
@politereminder6284 4 сағат бұрын
Did you spill your lineage on the soil? 😅
@SeanyCaufield
@SeanyCaufield 2 сағат бұрын
It scared the absolute fuck out of me lmao
@paularized1
@paularized1 Сағат бұрын
@@politereminder6284 Fortunately, my lineage cometh upon thy favourite tube sock.
@JohnSmith-bq6nf
@JohnSmith-bq6nf 8 сағат бұрын
I think Kier's brother was really him. He just gave deiter name of when he did bad acts like fapping. So he didn't have to feel shame.
@greenytaddict
@greenytaddict 7 сағат бұрын
😅
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 5 сағат бұрын
Deiter the beater
@codeknox4632
@codeknox4632 3 сағат бұрын
Exactly
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv 10 минут бұрын
That's why there's so much white outside
@jeremiahbayani184
@jeremiahbayani184 4 сағат бұрын
In the first episode of season 2, after Mark S. ran to check the wellness room we see a man lurking behind him. That man is credited as Man in Hallway played by an actor named Adam Jepsen. The Mark S. double on episode 4 is credited as Shadow Mark and it's played by...you guessed it... Adam Jepsen
@fustercluckk
@fustercluckk 3 сағат бұрын
This is very interesting indeed
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv 6 минут бұрын
Really similar to Adam Jensen who was cybernetically enhanced
@fakedeath13
@fakedeath13 5 сағат бұрын
I can't believe Mark was b*lls deep in Helena and still couldn't tell it wasn't Helly 💀 Irving was right, Mark is blinded by his infatuation. Innie Irving was straight savage and he's gonna be missed if that's the last we see of him.
@codeknox4632
@codeknox4632 3 сағат бұрын
Mark was a virgin getting CEO kewchie instead of employee kewchie cut him some slack
@kirielbranson4843
@kirielbranson4843 2 сағат бұрын
Why would the first time having sex reveal anything? That would probably the last situation that someone would realize they are with a different person.
@GarikDuvall
@GarikDuvall Сағат бұрын
What a twist it'll be is she becomes pregnant...
@santi838
@santi838 7 сағат бұрын
Those twins are animatronics. The replacements in the first episode mentioned how they had those in their own perpetuity wing I believe
@78deathface
@78deathface 8 сағат бұрын
The TV has no cord, which I’m sure is a nod to the shining, I don’t think they were actually outside. Also, if they shut off Irving at the end then outie Irving would just be standing in the forest.
@possumwithacowboyhat5140
@possumwithacowboyhat5140 7 сағат бұрын
No, we have seen that they have the ability to fully shut you off rather than just switch you. Episode 2 shows this.
@Littlelordf0ckleroy
@Littlelordf0ckleroy 7 сағат бұрын
@@possumwithacowboyhat5140 in what scene do they show they can be turned off? i forgor
@possumwithacowboyhat5140
@possumwithacowboyhat5140 7 сағат бұрын
@ first episode, sorry. When Milchick puts Mark in the elevator after Mark yells his demands the board, he gets shut off completely with a different chime in the elevator. At least that’s what I gather happened.
@sagaevan9641
@sagaevan9641 6 сағат бұрын
Please enlighten me as to how a TV having a non-wall-outlet power source is less likely than this whole thing being a simulation, VR or otherwise.
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 6 сағат бұрын
​@@possumwithacowboyhat5140he is not shutting off Mark in that scene. But there are protocols listed in S1, that might suggest such a capability
@bennettburris3446
@bennettburris3446 8 сағат бұрын
I really hope this show doesn’t go too far into Simualtion. I really like having the mystery feeling of it being something practical/actually going on in the world by this mega company.
@nabanitabhattacharjee1900
@nabanitabhattacharjee1900 7 сағат бұрын
There is no simulation. The creator has said it himself.
@gagelucas6036
@gagelucas6036 7 сағат бұрын
I honestly don’t think it will. I think that was the real outside, and that the only “simulation” storyline we’ll get, if you will, is gonna be the board’s digital consciousness.
@mimicoolll0
@mimicoolll0 7 сағат бұрын
i didn’t get the impression that this was a simulation. i thought since it was an Eagan National Park that they could easily manage them while actually be outside.
@gagelucas6036
@gagelucas6036 7 сағат бұрын
@ exactly 💯
@seymasezer8412
@seymasezer8412 6 сағат бұрын
I saw somewhere that there is “team building” on Petey’s map and checked out it’s true. Also I saw on twitter that Irving said “hey kid” because if helena is gonna answer back “what’s for dinner”
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 5 сағат бұрын
what's the "what's for dinner" part from. I have bad short term memory if that was in a past episode
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
Do you mean if it was Helly she would answer back what's for dinner?
@FateDelamorte
@FateDelamorte 3 сағат бұрын
@@b1bbscraz3yseason 1, first episode. Irv says it every morning when he comes in to work and it is annoying the others. Also there's another reference to it in the last episode of S1 when he says "let's go see what's for dinner" before the OTC is switched
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304 Сағат бұрын
@@FateDelamorte😮 I’m going to s1 noooow
@hmmmm1040
@hmmmm1040 Сағат бұрын
"Kier invites you to drink his water" - and Helen certainly was able to do that
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv Минут бұрын
Yo not after he skeeted all over the place
@weedylauda
@weedylauda 3 сағат бұрын
Sooo…. In the series “Severance,” the concept of being an “outie” doesn’t truly exist; all individuals are “innies” in different situations. Kier is a town founded by a religious community, where Cobel was born. Following an event that devastated most of the planet, annihilating life as we know it, Lumon serves as a sort of Noah’s Ark, aiming to repopulate the world by correcting and improving the past. Gemma was severed before Mark and knew that beyond Kier, there was nothing for thousands of kilometers. She wanted to show this to Mark by car. Thus, the accident was staged, and Gemma’s outie privileges were revoked. Petey intended to leave the town only after ensuring Mark’s safety. All citizens of Kier are either aware of the reality or have been severed.
@kirielbranson4843
@kirielbranson4843 2 сағат бұрын
So why even have severance?
@Shoshanah.
@Shoshanah. Сағат бұрын
Is this your theory or did you receive inside intel?
@konslaver
@konslaver 3 сағат бұрын
Mrs. Selvig was like a "thieving nanny" when they thought she took the baby
@leahchase3699
@leahchase3699 5 сағат бұрын
Your enthusiasm for the show absolutely matches my own! I am always so happy to see your posts and “see” them - televisually 😂
@BellePal
@BellePal 8 сағат бұрын
Thinking ricken wrote appendix 4 as Natalie suggested.
@tnijoo5109
@tnijoo5109 7 сағат бұрын
Lol. I wondered if that could be the case too. Like, is that what they were working on?! Hahaha. I hope not. But I also won’t be surprised if he did.
@griefscapes
@griefscapes 3 сағат бұрын
It's totally possible, but I think the innies would be more trusting with a book that showed openly that Ricken was the author, and why I think the board/Natalie have taken such an interest
@aerynmusick4548
@aerynmusick4548 8 сағат бұрын
I've been patiently waiting for your take on this one. Happy friday!
@stephansaunders386
@stephansaunders386 5 сағат бұрын
Story of Kier and Dieter similar to the tale of Romulus and Reimus and the founding of Rome
@brianharrington5353
@brianharrington5353 2 сағат бұрын
Except more jizz...😃
@thefulchman
@thefulchman 7 сағат бұрын
The Fourth Appendix was clearly written by Ricken Hale. It’s exactly the same writing style, and Natalie just met with Ricken about writing a “version” of “The You You Are” geared toward Innies.
@galgrunfeld9954
@galgrunfeld9954 3 сағат бұрын
​ The whole Helly vs. Helena writing was *good* writing. Attack on Titan did it too - they plant clues that connected into different and even competing theories and over time had more and more explicit supporting evidence for those different theories. Severance did it too, and it kept us looking for clues to figure out what's right. They did it so well that up to the last transition with the tree I still wasn't sure if she was Helly or Helena. I thought maybe she could switch or something. Absolutely amazing writing and amazing acting by Helly/Helena's actress.
@tolgaciftci2373
@tolgaciftci2373 8 сағат бұрын
the twins of innies seemed to me like game avatars
@itsbigcliff5178
@itsbigcliff5178 6 сағат бұрын
Like Gemma ..aka miss Casey....weird like
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
They looked like holograms to me. Lumon - light - also the constant reference to to RGB.
@dr3w_23
@dr3w_23 8 сағат бұрын
Igor never change man
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 5 сағат бұрын
For people who do not know the reference of spilling lineage on the soil. This is basically what Onan did in the Bible when he spread his population paste on the ground.
@kevindunne1009
@kevindunne1009 7 сағат бұрын
Pauper is known in the English language from Shakespeare's "The Prince and the Pauper" which links to your theory of Kier and Dieter switching places as that is the basic plot of the classic play. 🤔
@tnijoo5109
@tnijoo5109 6 сағат бұрын
Good theory !
@angelarox3969
@angelarox3969 3 сағат бұрын
It could also apply to Helena and Helli swapping. The "princess" and the pauper
@coreyrachar9694
@coreyrachar9694 5 сағат бұрын
In one episode Mark's new team tells him that their perpetuity wing had animatronic renditions of the CEO's that were able to move around and stuff. The shadow selves kinda just look like animatronic dolls to me.
@ElGatoBlanco1970
@ElGatoBlanco1970 8 сағат бұрын
I am so disappointed they went with Helena pretending to be HellyR. That said, the series just gets better. And does this mean the person watching mark in the premiere was his shadow.
@kassistwisted
@kassistwisted 8 сағат бұрын
Same actor is credited. So I'd say yes.
@Kraenkii
@Kraenkii 8 сағат бұрын
what premiere ?
@小笼包-m3o
@小笼包-m3o 8 сағат бұрын
@@Kraenkii the premiere of season 2 when mark was running through corridors looking for Gemma, someone was watching him at some point
@luizaayvazyan8362
@luizaayvazyan8362 5 сағат бұрын
At least they show that Helena is a good person, kind and really nice
@LaurinGarcia
@LaurinGarcia 2 сағат бұрын
I no longer think it's a matrix environment. Or at least, not with this episode. Remember the second Mark innie in the first episode of this season mentioning that their Eagan museum had moving mannequins? It made me think of animatronics. So when the shadow versions of the 4 innies appeared, I wondered if they were animatronics because of the way they moved and stood. It wasn't until another KZbinr mentioning about how Walt Disney had a brother that something finally dawned on me. The child like innies were placed in an indoor simulator constructed like a theme park ride. It looks massively vast. But in truth, the footprint is small. You are actually looking at a lot of forced perspective fx and are moving in a circle or spiral winding path downhill. You can't tell you are going in circles because rock and trees are blocking your full view ahead. All just like the theme park rides. It's like the Truman Show or the battle arenas of the Hunger Games. It's all a stage set. It's all an optical illusion. It's just like a Disney World ride. They think they are in an endless journey but in truth they are just moving in circles.
@sagaevan9641
@sagaevan9641 6 сағат бұрын
I really REALLY doubt it’s a simulation, VR or otherwise. Weight it on the plausability scale. A TV that went initially unnoticed has a battery power source in a park Lumon owns, or, Lumon has come up with the technology to perfectly simulate real life stimuli through VR totally spoiling any and all rules this world has previously built. Idk guys. Seems pretty equal to me! I’ve always respected this show for being grounded so if we start dipling into simulation bs I’m gonna be upset. This being on the severed floor also doesn’t make sense. How does the simulated sky ceiling not collapse from the pressure of being who knows how far down.
@SonOvaSon
@SonOvaSon 6 сағат бұрын
To me the biggest tell of it being a simulation is Irving not freezing to death
@sagaevan9641
@sagaevan9641 5 сағат бұрын
@@SonOvaSon How is surviving the cold for one night less realistic than hyperrealistic VR simulation? People have survived much worse IRL. Plus from a writing perspective, it’d be a bad, albeit funny, way to kill off a character. Just getting lost in the woods and dying from exposure.
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
​@@SonOvaSon remember Irving was walking for a long time and we don't know how long he was asleep for. Who knows how this man is built with his Military background 😅 Maybe getting close to freezing is what triggers him to actually dream?
@gibberishname
@gibberishname 7 сағат бұрын
Simulation theory (both theorizing that the twist in fiction AND those dorks that think we're living in a simulation IRL) is LAZY AF. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying if they did that it would be some of the laziest writing possible.
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv 51 секунд бұрын
Just as lazy as it's someone's dream
@starvedrock314
@starvedrock314 4 сағат бұрын
That intro was diabolical lmao
@tnijoo5109
@tnijoo5109 7 сағат бұрын
I loved this episode!! I watched it last night and then it was in my dreams last night. I love this show and these weekly episodes are getting me through the destruction of the US. 😢 This show is the only thing that captures my attention away from what’s going on.
@angelarox3969
@angelarox3969 3 сағат бұрын
Me too. 😞
@slonikey
@slonikey 7 сағат бұрын
Увидела обложку видео перед тем, как посмотреть серию😂 Благодаря этому я была готова к тому, что в серии появится эта страшная "bride" и не так испугалась во время просмотра 🙇‍♀️ спасибо😅
@itsbigcliff5178
@itsbigcliff5178 6 сағат бұрын
Ok...if it was a simulation...like i kind of thought...at first ... Then why did they give in to Helena drowning by Irving ?? ... Is it one of those things that the mind can't handle, So it's kind of real?
@faithfm1
@faithfm1 2 сағат бұрын
It could have been like a movie set instead of a simulation
@Spazchow
@Spazchow 36 минут бұрын
If you weren't already my favorite KZbin theory crafter, that intro and shudder would have sold me. Love your content, man.
@discobassgroove
@discobassgroove 7 сағат бұрын
Igor I love your videos. The Severance community is so awesome
@mimicoolll0
@mimicoolll0 6 сағат бұрын
ORTBO has to be referencing robot. idk why but it has to at least be on purpose. because “occurrence” is such a weird word normally they say “experience” like the dance experience. so it hassss to be on purpose.
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 5 сағат бұрын
they could have even used "occasion"
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 8 сағат бұрын
Regarding DVD: That's always their preferred method of video capture and playback. Remember, Helly is recording her retirement request on a 8cm Mini-DVD recorder and brings it up and returns with a mini 8cm DVD-R. And Helena is recording her "I was drunk and took non Lumon pills" Speech on a fancy one too.
@RayneSaltair
@RayneSaltair 7 сағат бұрын
Montauk is at the end of Long Island. I live in NY. Kier was nuts, I hope they can't bring him back. LOL. Imagine I'm driving my husband nuts, he and I have vastly different tastes in tv, so he doesn't watch this show. Every single Thursday night, "This place is such a dang cult, OMG this episode is amazing, what the heck is wrong with milkshake?"
@Clevertechly
@Clevertechly 5 сағат бұрын
😂😂😂 we who love severance are becoming the cult!
@nikkienikkie4310
@nikkienikkie4310 6 сағат бұрын
Your review is again awesome! Your enthusiasm for the show mirrors the rest of the die-hard fans and I love it!
@Otizzy3399
@Otizzy3399 8 сағат бұрын
You and over 80% of chat from the livestream called it. It was Helena.
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 4 сағат бұрын
It just seemed out of order that he learned about the export area from Felicia and then didn’t want to do anything about that? He would just rather expose Helena and die? It’s weird. It doesn’t make sense.
@pamjam2567
@pamjam2567 8 сағат бұрын
Imo and theory Dieter is Kiers tempers he had to tame. He had to tame dieter whatever and to do that he had to kill that part of himself and that is how he thought of the idea of severance.
@pamjam2567
@pamjam2567 7 сағат бұрын
The going into your own mind Dieter/ Kier
@greenytaddict
@greenytaddict 7 сағат бұрын
Good point, makes sense.
@geekademy
@geekademy 9 сағат бұрын
HOW WOULD YOU RATE EPISODE 4 ON A SCALE OF 1 TO 10?
@Otizzy3399
@Otizzy3399 8 сағат бұрын
11
@tug_r
@tug_r 8 сағат бұрын
9/10 - Seriously amazed at the acting masterclass Turturro and Tillman gave in this episode. 🏆 💪
@maclopez9048
@maclopez9048 8 сағат бұрын
A genuine 10/10
@christinet638
@christinet638 8 сағат бұрын
7
@oliveandoiltherapy
@oliveandoiltherapy 7 сағат бұрын
8
@alexritchie4586
@alexritchie4586 6 сағат бұрын
There were no footprints leading to the clifftop TV either, and several inches of snow had drifted around the TV stand's legs, as though it had been there a long time.
@alekseyillarionov3274
@alekseyillarionov3274 5 минут бұрын
The most complete analysis of the 4th episode! Believe me I have watched 4 or 5 other KZbin breakdowns and this is the fullest and the best of it all!
@dudeist_priest
@dudeist_priest 8 сағат бұрын
I think you're right about Father being capitalized has significance, however when one refers to their parent without "my" first, it is treated as a name, or proper noun. I love my mom vs I love you, Mom.
@dudeist_priest
@dudeist_priest 8 сағат бұрын
Also, always appreciate your deep dives!
@jeanablake2302
@jeanablake2302 7 сағат бұрын
I have only seen Father capitalized to mean God...
@dudeist_priest
@dudeist_priest 6 сағат бұрын
@jeanablake2302 or a catholic priest, but he asked and I answered.
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304 Сағат бұрын
@@jeanablake2302me too
@LaurinGarcia
@LaurinGarcia 2 сағат бұрын
I get what you mean as to why didn't Helena think up a better story as to what she saw. Why a night gardener. I thought that, too. But thinking about it some more now, Helena Eagan might not be used to people questioning her at all. She might be used to people taking her words to be fact being that she is part of such a powerful family. Even if people don't believe a word you say, it doesn't mean that in order to stay in good grace with you, they too won't lie by saying they believe. Outie Helena Eagan might be too used to thinking that people accept her words at face value. Her weakness is that she is far too full of herself and thinks she is mentally superior to an innie, when in truth, she is far from it.
@mmastoryline623
@mmastoryline623 6 сағат бұрын
I thought it was a simulation until the very real water almost drowned Helana
@greglr19751
@greglr19751 6 сағат бұрын
Remember seeing Helena put her head underwater to bob for pineapples? Cool foreshadowing.
@mmastoryline623
@mmastoryline623 6 сағат бұрын
I always thought that the innies were in comas and were fed a reality
@galgrunfeld9954
@galgrunfeld9954 2 сағат бұрын
TL;DR Kier ate shrooms, his brain changed permanently as a result and altered his perception of reality and he founded Lumon to change everyone to see it his way. This episode and Helena's remarks gave me an idea: what if Kier and his brother were abused by his dad, ran into the forest and ate some shrooms? That would explain why his brother supposedly masturbated in nature and why supposedly Kier killed him and had a hallucination. Kier also describes his brother's behavior quite weirdly before he supposedly masturbated, being one with nature - that feeling of oneness with your surrounding has been found in neuroscience research to be something that is in the brain and can be manipulated, and some people who took shrooms and some other drugs reported this feeling and perception, too. Shrooms are currently being used in cutting-edge research to cure depression which is a mental illness/disorder, so, again - in the brain, and they've been found to increase the ability of the brain to change its structure, in particular form new connections. There's even a hypothesis that spoken language itself was developed thanks to ancient humans accidentally eating shrooms by connecting areas of the brain that weren't that connected before. The point is that shrooms can permanently change people's perception of the world by changing their brain. In addition to that, many ancient cultures around the world, some still to this day, use(d) hallucinogenic drugs - such as shrooms - to put people into an altered state of consciousness for various purposes. In some native American tribes they used it to heal mental illnesses where people would get high, hallucinate things, have strong emotional states - like in dreams - where they would face their fears. It also used the shamans, those spiritual leaders/healers to make decisions that they would call communicating with gods or spirits. I think that might have been Kier's situation - he ate some shrooms, got high, killed his brother for something he did that he was brought up to think is immoral (masturbation - remember, he lived in the 1800s - Christianity and the church and all) and hallucinated that half-woman who said it was his fault. He "conquered" that fear by rejecting that feeling. By not accepting his own judgement on himself, rejecting that blame, it increased his ego - that's something that happens with people in general and people with mental illnesses/disorders in general - it's done to protect the person's ability to function (their ego). And that was the first temper he tamed. He probably later experienced some other experienced that threatened his ego that he wanted to not feel, AKA to control, AKA to tame. IIRC his 4th appendix said he tamed the rest of them in that cave they mentioned and that aligns with shamanic practices - some did those things in caves, too, and it aligns in particular with them going through their hallucination and experiences on those drugs in one sitting, and aligns with the savior story structure where the hero goes through a journey and comes back changed. It also aligns with the fact that the retreat was meant to be 2 days - Kier might have gone through it all in 2 days. And once he tamed those tempers - he felt like he was in total control over himself. And as a changed man who felt complete freedom and saw the world differently now he wanted to spread his worldview. Strong experiences usually are strong motivators, which would explain why he worked so hard for years for his vision with founding Lumon and making the effort to grow it, gather followers, etc.. Do notice that he talks messianically - "my children" and giving things to people, bettering the world and so on, as if something happened to him or he saw something that he later wants to spread - this theory aligns with that. Jesus also has a messianic story - one where he comes back to life, so there's there are 2 parallel's to both this theory in that and to the theory of bringing him back to life. And it could be that the way Lumon is trying to do that is by creating a robot host while re-creating his (mental) brain. I think MDR was brought to the retreat to tame their tempers, too, to be more like Kier. Why - I don't know, maybe something that had to do with Gemma, maybe Lumon could extract something from them after they tamed their tempers, maybe to complete Gemma, which would then be used somehow to bring Kier back - after all, they'd need a person with tamed tempers to bring Kier back.
@Otizzy3399
@Otizzy3399 Сағат бұрын
@54:01 JBuck Studios had a really interesting theory on this part, with a background in the IRL Montouk Project. He also pointed out the only numbers were 1-7, and explained why that is.
@crettiahunter5378
@crettiahunter5378 6 сағат бұрын
Irving even under the spell of Lumon is a survivalist.
@firecrusades3397
@firecrusades3397 5 сағат бұрын
something i didnt hear in the video was that hellys twin had her neck bend as if she had been HUNG......
@glorialoaiza15
@glorialoaiza15 5 сағат бұрын
Yes a caught that so quick! So eerie!
@michellecenters9
@michellecenters9 29 минут бұрын
Did anyone notice Helly’s “twin” guide had her head cocked to one side? Apparently from when she tried with the rope in the elevator is my guess. This show is pure genius ❤
@carolbinhoto6476
@carolbinhoto6476 Сағат бұрын
Igor, I realized something: when Irving says to Dylan, “Hang in there,” it’s actually a code. In the stop-motion room, there’s a picture with the words “Hang in There” written on it. I believe he left the elevator drawing there with some kind of note. I keep thinking that he might have followed the same procedure as Mark and Peter because it’s exactly what Peter did with the map. He also calls that person, saying his innie got the message, so he might be talking to Asal.
@kassistwisted
@kassistwisted 8 сағат бұрын
Igor! You're so fast!!!
@accountnew7030
@accountnew7030 7 сағат бұрын
that's what she said
@luizaayvazyan8362
@luizaayvazyan8362 5 сағат бұрын
😂​@@accountnew7030
@multibigbubbles
@multibigbubbles 4 сағат бұрын
It occurred to me watching this episode that Irv is the only member of the MDR team that seems to have experienced sleep (as far as we know). He was also the only member of the MDR team that experienced hallucinations (the black paint) that were tied to his life as an Outie. Is it possible that the reason that Lumen discourages sleeping in the office so strongly is because sleep gives the Innie access to their subconcious in a way that links them to their Outie's memories?
@rektangulus
@rektangulus 4 сағат бұрын
why would they let them sleep for the night on this outing if they knew this?
@multibigbubbles
@multibigbubbles 3 сағат бұрын
@@rektangulus That is a valid question which I can only attempt to answer with more unfounded theories
@ebonistaryce6739
@ebonistaryce6739 7 сағат бұрын
Perhaps, Dieter was gay and that's why he didn't wanna marry old girl and why the ridded him of the lineage. Also would make sense why Irving had such a huge role in this episode bc he is also gay. Or, Kier is actually gay/bi and 'Dieter' is the gay side of him he wants to surpress.
@marialane5193
@marialane5193 2 сағат бұрын
@faceless girl is incredibly underrated!! Super good theories and research I don’t see anywhere else!
@lunamalefica
@lunamalefica 3 сағат бұрын
I am German, but i think, father with Capital letter is another word for a god.
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304 Сағат бұрын
Same in Latin America…
@jasomcox
@jasomcox 8 сағат бұрын
Now we have a Kimono Woman in Severance
@pamjam2567
@pamjam2567 7 сағат бұрын
Right what is going on
@greenytaddict
@greenytaddict 7 сағат бұрын
😭
@mitochondriac2344
@mitochondriac2344 3 сағат бұрын
It was supposed to be so cold, but I never saw their breath. It makes me think it is a simulation. Something like the Holodeck on startrek.
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304
@mariacristinasalcedogiulia6304 Сағат бұрын
😮true
@tac759
@tac759 5 сағат бұрын
Is Dieter Kier's innie?
@jenniferwood7670
@jenniferwood7670 2 сағат бұрын
I like how the Roman numerals make it look like IV, like a life saving substance, hydration, water, etc
@hamilde
@hamilde Сағат бұрын
I think, that by the end of the series, we find out that the work they do in MDR controls the monsters in Fromville and maybe even what people end up in the town😁. That would be a huge twist and a great cross over, not to mention, a lot of fun
@karenlexa8623
@karenlexa8623 3 минут бұрын
I finally found a video that mirrors everything I am thinking about this episode. I LOVE this video.
@dododog5002
@dododog5002 3 сағат бұрын
Yep that fucking tv appearing out of nowhere was it for me
@aerinellis1133
@aerinellis1133 33 минут бұрын
Great job 👏 You're an excellent reviewer and I have so much respect for you doing it in a second language!!
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 4 сағат бұрын
15:54 I would assume reintegrated Mark wouldn’t want to go on a retreat. He would still be wanting to find Ms. Casey. It is confusing.
@faithfm1
@faithfm1 2 сағат бұрын
It seemed like the reintegration wasn't continuously working yet. That's why there was a brief moment where he flashed between memories.
@HPPalmtopTube
@HPPalmtopTube 6 сағат бұрын
Maybe the whole severed floor doesnt exist. It's all a simulation that starts when you go down the elevator and ends when you go back up. It's all a big simulation on a supercomputer. That's why the severed floor looks so white / repeating / maze like, and you have all these dissimilar and useless departments, such as the Mamalians Nurtered who nurture goats indoors (which is not very efficient and good for the animals) and the Optics and Design department who 3D print a large amount of useless items like watering cans etc...
@Rae_Marie
@Rae_Marie 4 сағат бұрын
You are by far my absolute FAVORITE content creator for breaking down shows!! Found your channel while watching 'From' and been watching ever since!! I couldn't wait to see what your reaction and thoughts were going to be for this episode! I was litterally yelling at my TV last night it was so good!! Thanks for all your hard work!!
@synonys
@synonys 7 сағат бұрын
17:56 the name Dieter was previously observed on a road sign, so it’s likely not made up for the innies.
@seangifford7392
@seangifford7392 6 сағат бұрын
It was a sign outside a bar, no? "Dieter's Brother. Live. No minimum." A lot going on there!
@synonys
@synonys 6 сағат бұрын
@ yes!
@Aerie925
@Aerie925 7 сағат бұрын
And keep in mind that “robot” is derived from a word that means “forced labor” or “slave”
@markkuykendall5475
@markkuykendall5475 Сағат бұрын
I'm pretty sold on the idea that it's a simulation. I thought the same thing pretty quickly. I ran into trouble during Irving's threatened drowning of Helena. If it's a sim, why would it matter if he drowns her, she's not really there. I thought about it and, until further info comes, I explain this problem by theorizing that if somebody dies in sim, it can overload the severance hardware in the outies head due to a power surge or something like that. If that chip shorts or flashes out somehow, that's potentially VERY bad given it's in the depths of the outie's brain. So, maybe Helena's chip shorts out or maybe it doesn't. But if Lumon knows through experimentation, that this is a definite possibility, he's NOT going to risk letting Irving snuff Helena in sim.
@maclopez9048
@maclopez9048 8 сағат бұрын
Ok this is crazy but go with me here. What if the elevators are actually cryochambers? That's why they never cross eachother even having only 1-2 minutes in between. I think they're just put to sleep and then they wake up in this virtual reality, like you propose.
@eldrickb5319
@eldrickb5319 8 сағат бұрын
This can't be true because we've seen inies affect outies physically, like the hanging and other injuries
@maclopez9048
@maclopez9048 5 сағат бұрын
@@eldrickb5319 truueeee
@rektangulus
@rektangulus 4 сағат бұрын
no i think this is such a reach. too many evidence pointing to it being real
@JeffDinglerBass
@JeffDinglerBass 6 сағат бұрын
Another cool thing with "waves"- the song on the end credits is a tune by Antonio Carlos Jobim entitled "Wave"
@АннаПанова-ж3н
@АннаПанова-ж3н 4 сағат бұрын
А ещё на заднем плане в видео слышно ребенка маленького?или это у меня в голове?!)😂но мило мурлычет:)
@conan59er15
@conan59er15 Сағат бұрын
Short woman with German ties gives me strong Queen Victoria vibes. Father = fatherland
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 4 сағат бұрын
Regarding waking in a dream: that's quite common. Many people will have had sequential or recursive dreams, where they woke up out of a dream, just to be in another one. A variation is to then return to the original.
@thomaskunz8029
@thomaskunz8029 4 сағат бұрын
Tbh this episode was pretty boring lol. Yeah we got a couple answers in the last 5 mins but it was not the game changer the show runners teased it would be..
@mackdeejay
@mackdeejay 2 сағат бұрын
i honestly think helena didn't really think her plan through, i think she's overconfident and reckless. i think that's why cobel feels she can do better, she *knows* what she's like, helena has pulled some bullshit before and she knows nothing will happen to her because she's the heiress to the most powerful company in the world. 'a night gardener? sure! they're just stupid innies, they won't figure it out, i don't need a better plan.' you can feel the tension between her and milchick, he's actually trying to do his job well and she's derailing everything by being flippant and unserious, flirting with mark, dropping mean comments. she got too comfortable
@NS-vv5up
@NS-vv5up 4 сағат бұрын
Father is being used like a name, not just a description, so that’s why it’s capitalized. If they said, “We must return to our father,” then it would be lowercase.
@atrejunl
@atrejunl 3 сағат бұрын
The reverence Helena and Milcheck had makes me think this is a real place
@CraigBrown5254444
@CraigBrown5254444 6 сағат бұрын
You do a great job dissecting each episode. Your deep commentary is very similar to the Reel Enigmas & Theories. It would be great if you both could collaborate together.
@greglr19751
@greglr19751 6 сағат бұрын
I love that there are so many of these people. If u don't like the sound of someone, you can just find another. Igor has the best voice of all to me. Just praying he's not a Putin lover. 😂
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
Yeah he is so funny too and has dope theories 😂😂😂
@erikadixon8341
@erikadixon8341 3 сағат бұрын
Love your breakdown videos and I’m SO glad you chose to “talk” to us instead of staring at your walls repeatedly declaring “this show is amazing!”😂✅
@URARITY
@URARITY 45 минут бұрын
I've asked chatgpt to analyze the numbers. There were some interesting conclusions: the numbers are distributed in a non-random way, indicating a structured or weighted dataset rather than pure randomness. Numbers 3 and 2 are most common. Heatmap insigts highlight areas where numbers cluster more frequenty, suggesting an underlying structure. The numbers could represent weighted data, where certain values matter more tan others. The sum of each row and column might correlate with a ranking system, coding method or prioritization mechanism. Fibonacci and Prime number patterns show clustering, meaning that the numbers are not randomly scattered. Likewise, prime numbers also group together, suggesting a structural pattern.
@iamtheiceman
@iamtheiceman 8 минут бұрын
No footprints in the snow. How did the robot doubles get to their locations, with no footprints at all ? Agree with you about how they all got to that place, as outties, to then be switched to be innies, especially Irving on the ice. Also, turning off Irving at the end. His body is still with the innies in that place. So does this mean his body will change to the outtie, but in the presence of the other innies ? These things definitely support the theory of a simulation, all except the part of drowning Helena. Maybe this was some weird mix of simulation and reality ? Or maybe this is a mistake / plot hole made by the creators of the show ? Damn I love this show !
@galgrunfeld9954
@galgrunfeld9954 2 сағат бұрын
Scissor Cave - a place where Kier "cut the umbilical chord after being born again"?
@BellePal
@BellePal 7 сағат бұрын
When you use mother or father as a name, like you are addressing them for example, you capitalize it.
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan 4 сағат бұрын
English used to capitalise all nouns like German, but in the early 1800s that faded. You can write Father to mean "God", or use it in the 1800s for emphasis.
@camilleoreilly7063
@camilleoreilly7063 7 сағат бұрын
PLEASE check out “The Faceless Girl”
@lydiabutlernewman7103
@lydiabutlernewman7103 6 сағат бұрын
I was going to say the same. For his livestream
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
LOVE HER TOO!
@lynnfurr2467
@lynnfurr2467 4 сағат бұрын
Excellent video, and I really enjoyed it ! 👏 I also enjoy your positive attitude! 😊
@conan59er15
@conan59er15 2 сағат бұрын
Nobody tell them that they are supposed to string out into twice as many seasons. LOL
@kassistwisted
@kassistwisted 7 сағат бұрын
Hey Igor, check this out: When Irving arrives, he does the weird face from the Zollie cam and an elevator chime sounds. So we assume he just came down in the elevator to the severed floor and is now his innie. Per this wonderful music theory channel middli, it's G when they enter the elevator and C# when the transition happens. At the end of S2Ep2, Helly has no C#. We know for sure now that that meant she didn't change to her innie. But when Irving arrives at the beginning of this episode, a G plays. No C#! I think he might be his outie!
@notdizzie_69
@notdizzie_69 7 сағат бұрын
Possibly reintegration in s1 finally he was on a pay phone saying he got the message(his innie) maybe it was reghabi
@gibberishname
@gibberishname 7 сағат бұрын
OR the elevator sound is NOT diegetic and is there for us, the AUDIENCE, to understand that he's being switched from between Innie and Outie
@kassistwisted
@kassistwisted 6 сағат бұрын
@@gibberishname Of course that could be so. But Irving is acting so unlike the mild innie Irving in this episode. I think he's far more likely to be the Irving who stays up all night, painting to Motorhead.
@gibberishname
@gibberishname 5 сағат бұрын
@@kassistwisted he's not acting like the mild Irving of early season 1, but he's perfectly in line with the "let's burn this place to the ground" smashing an egg inside the handbook Irving of the season 1 finale.
@eriwantie
@eriwantie 4 сағат бұрын
​​@@gibberishnameexactly I think his character arc and experience has made Irving start to naturally reintegrate. The rebellious and bad ass outie merging with his innie being radicalized by the loss of burt.
@Kendoku
@Kendoku 3 сағат бұрын
Otherworldly
@Shoshanah.
@Shoshanah. 12 минут бұрын
💯 robotics. The Lumon minions never acted like humans to me.
@abelincoln.2064
@abelincoln.2064 4 сағат бұрын
Again. The Innies are the implant ( eg Petey) and the Outies are suppose to be the the Living person with a brain. But this episode has just revealed that this is all a "Matrix" world involving at least very powerful AI ... with the possibility the Humankind is now extinct.
@rektangulus
@rektangulus 4 сағат бұрын
how did it prove this?
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