Severely vs. Slightly Wounded - REAL TEST AND REPORTS - THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW! - RoK

This is the severely wounded vs. slightly wounded video you've been waiting for! You need to see this so you have an idea of what and why these things happen in the game. Enjoy
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[@level19barb16]

i love that other content creators are still doing wheel-spin videos and key openings and Drago is deep diving into the mechanics of the game (and teaching us the magic secrets). Mad respect buddy, keep it up!

[@Dragothien]

key video inc ;)

[@lucho_lucero]

Your reaction at 13:09 says everything.. Also to take notes, is that skill combat is faster instead normal/counter is slower.. So probably that is also what is making those number go up.. Amazing job, like always!

[@DeusDarth]

Pretty nice video. Very helpful and I personally didnt expect that big of a difference:D Khan - YSG needed 1:42 min to defeat them and cause 30k severely wounded. Attila - Takeda needed 2:22 min to defeat them and cause 119k severely wounded. So not even the difference in time is that big compared to the amount of severely wounded. But is def. pretty useful to beat structures faster when you think about Ark league.

[@Dragothien]

this is exactly right. if you want to kill stuff faster and win a battle for the win, skill damage is king. if you want to inflict maximum damage on your enemy, use inf or A/T (maybe new archer commanders as well, haven't tested)

[@Paul-hq7gf]

Attack was higher cuz Beibars has the 20% Attack bonus as 2nd skill

[@tart377]

Helpful thank you! Now I can see how I've filled my hospitals so quickly at times hahah

[@soulstart89]

Such a great informative video. Also what I see is if you use a commander who does no skill damage you also get more severely wounded. The amount of secretly wounded you inflict is the trade off. Thanks for this. I am heading into kvk 2 and Alex has just come up on the wheel 😁. I’m wondering whether to have a more attacked based equipment set rather than a mix or health and defence for Alex.

[@zucris4017]

aahh another knowledge from a reliable source, Dragothien. Unlike other content creator you really focused on an in depth mechanics on the game. Appreciate bro.

[@Dragothien]

❤️

[@Cascade92]

I know this is old, but I wanted to find out how to get my troops to be wounded. I need it for some hospital quests that I'm having a hard time with.

[@Dragothien]

Go attack an Atilla takeda for awhile. You’ll have lots of sev wounded in no time

[@FaizanKhan-jb1re]

Single best informational video on ROK on KZbin right now .hatsoff bro. You explained everything so well. Just want to ask one more thing. If I want less severely wounded for my troops not Caring about enemy severely wounded then Skill damage commanders are better for me right? Because Your troops with Khan/ysg had 11K severely wounded as compared to A/T where you had 30K. Your troops also suffered more damage with A/T. Doesn't that make A/T pair expensive on your own hospital bills as well ?

[@Dragothien]

It’s situational. The a/t army had less troops in it so it was going to take more damage. My khan ysg army wasn’t focused like my Attila/takeda was. Generally you want to go more cav tree if you want less severely wounded on your end and take disarm

[@riseciv7991]

Could this simply because attila+takeda gives so much stat boost to cav attack not because normal vs skill damage?

[@Dragothien]

that's why I chose Attila/takeda, its because they have no skill damage to speak of and all their damage comes from normal/counterattack. the troop stats were close in the fight. point is also proven with infantry based armies, that's why Richard/Charles was so devastating early game.

[@SimonPetersennoer]

@@Dragothien Could it then be that skill damage = no severely ?

[@viduraperera434]

Great video Draothien. 👌 Learned a lot 👊

[@S_sword]

How many troops will actually die when attacking cities?

[@Dragothien]

Depends on garrison, Rally pair, tech on both sides, equipment on both sides

[@JuliaIndomita]

Thanks for posting. Very helpful but what does severely wounded mean versus slightly wounded? What are the implications? Greater cost to heal?

[@level19barb16]

severely wounded are the ones that go in your hospital. slightly wounded stop fighting but heal as soon as you get back to your city. in other words you don't have to heal slightly wounded, they're just temporarily out of the fight. that's what healing commanders bring back (slightly wounded are the ones that get healed)....they're still there in the army just they aren't fighting anymore. so the more severely wounded=more troops in hospital=higher hospital bills. You can win a battle but have more severely wounded than the other guy and in a war this can actually be a bad thing-even though you officially "won"

[@Dragothien]

basically what level 19 said. slightly just go back to your city and back into your troop count when you get your army back, severely is your healing cost, and why infantry and attila/takeda are so devastating

[@JuliaIndomita]

Level 19 Barb Great explanation. Thanks!

[@JuliaIndomita]

Dragothien Gaming Thanks a lot. Very helpful.

[@kpcofvs911]

I’m in a new kingdom. Going full infantry with Charles/Sun Tzu. Which rune will cause the most severely wounded? Attack rune or damage rune or health rune?

[@Dragothien]

attack rune will always cause more damage, but going health or def will keep your troop count higher longer

[@chuachenghong7788]

I think there's an issue with your test. You are using two skill base commanders against attila and I would assume the talent tree of the skill base commanders are more skewed towards skill damage reduction instead of defense and stuff like that. This would create an unfair baseline for comparison

[@Dragothien]

I have counter attack damage reduction and cav tree on baibars, but the comparison is an exact baseline. I can do the same thing with Charles/Caesar or something like that if you want, the results will be the same.

[@chuachenghong7788]

@@Dragothien I think I presented what I meant wrongly. E.g. Khan+YSG damage is 70% skill and 30% normal + counter attack With 30% skill damage reduction it becomes 49% skill damage + 30% normal + counter. 21% reduction. However this doesnt reduce the attack in anyway for attila and takeda as they deal 100% normal + counter attack damage. Not doubting your work since field testing is better than what I'm doing, purely theory crafting. But I just wanted to point out the error in the baseline comparison. I would say a test with no talents for commanders would have been better to show the impact purely from a slightly/severely wounded perspective.

[@chuachenghong7788]

@@Dragothien I personally think one of the reason attila and takeda was off the charts OP before the nerf was due to the fact that there wasnt much talents to reduce MMA punch for punch style fighting. It was only after people started tweaking talent trees to ignore skill damage reduction and more attack and defense before trades got better. All the while the meta for adding talent tree points was due to the fact that everything was thrown into skill damage reduction.

[@JReiAtsu]

Does this mean attack commanders are better than skill? I also somehow knew this from intuition, using attack Comms prolong the fight causing more severely wounded troops

[@Dragothien]

better at causing more severely wounded? yes better at winning fights outright? not necessarily and often no

[@JReiAtsu]

@@Dragothien on rallies, what would be better?

[@oskonem8323]

Do you think Ramsess proc(3th and 4th skills) would gives that kind of output?

[@Dragothien]

It will enhance it yah

[@mrnexfer8484]

What i want to know. Does troop type countering increases damage output? For example inf vs cav (i'm not mentioning "Iron spear" inf talent). Will inf do more dmg coz of troop type countering or it only increases the amount of severly wounded?

[@krioo8051]

yes

[@Dragothien]

yes on both accounts

[@gk4578]

As a f2p which should i invest as a long term investment Khan, Saladin, Takaeda ? I have Pelagius lv 60

[@HeavenlyDemon592]

You have to expertise Khan, Saladin is very good for f2p u can get him 5551… takeda is good with alot of commanders

[@Dragothien]

I have a video specifically on this topic ;) Saladin/takeda 5551, expertise khan after

[@essam7]

Why doesn't the takeda 3rd skill defense buff show in the troop buffs?

[@Dragothien]

why doesn't the chat work ? :*(

[@wouldiwas8520]

So does it also imply that skill tree is not as good as cavalry infantry or archer tree?

[@Dragothien]

skill tree is better to "beat" your enemy, but the troop specific trees are better to cause "maximum financial damage"

[@wouldiwas8520]

Dragothien Gaming what would be a better combination? Full troop tree and part of skill or half and half? Or perhaps full skill and part of troop

[@Dragothien]

depends on what you're trying to do and which commanders you're using. there is no "best" way to do it universally

[@2ndrokaccount385]

So the faster you kill your enemy, the less severed you deal and have Drago you forgot the 3rd test, gk/ysg vs nutella/takeda 🙂. I will vote for gk/ysg

[@deathstroke5190]

Baibars gives extra cav attack, while khan / ysg doesn't

[@elijahshabazz2162]

Takeda looking real good rn

[@iamthanos7301]

If attila takeda does this amount of damage why people say they are not good in the field Do you recommend me putting attila takeda as garrison to my city! I'm all on cavs ! Great content as always 🔥🐎🔥

[@Dragothien]

if you have 0 infantry, archers, siege then yes put A/T as your garrison. A/T is not a burst damage commander, hes a steady heavy damage commander. Open field he can be bursted down because 5 armies with 1.5+m troops can burst him down when he only has 300k+. He's still useful open field, just don't leave him out there alone with no support

[@karllorenzobabiano6328]

just use leonidas with constantine and those severely wounded will definitely become equal.

[@mentalist9167]

What!! Ysg does aoe damage to his own team troops ??? Btw awesome interesting content Drago

[@Dragothien]

No he doesn’t hit his own teams troops

[@mentalist9167]

@@Dragothien got it cheers👍

[@Vanpw]

Nice content thx !

[@tortaconpan]

how many accounts do you have?

[@Dragothien]

3 fighting ones plus farms

[@valuvivao3434]

There different between commander attack and defense

[@ProGamer-n7o]

Try atila takeda vs charles constantine or richard

[@Dragothien]

anything with Richard will be sooooo much severely wounded. i'll likely do these on my sippin stream Saturday

[@krulidn]

@@Dragothien Might be good to try that as a control too because I don't think you accounted for the skill damage protection talents in the skill tree of Baibars which also may contribute to the big disparity.

[@RPRJ1992]

Hi Sir, I just want to ask if the talents of secondary commander would be applied with the talents of main commander

[@Dragothien]

no, talents only apply from primary commander

[@pokerchannel6991]

Then this means that if a person wants kills, Health may not really be the most covetted stat . . . Perhaps it is acutally attack that is the best stat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Redgurd7]

vip 17 give boost of attack

[@Dragothien]

ALL damage, which benefits skill damage more :)

[@itskurtyo]

This test is kinda misleading. Skill damage needs attack to buff its damage as well. Purely relying on skill damage without the increased damage from troop attack wouldn’t be that much. Yes YSG has 50% skill damage boost but it won’t be as effective if your march’s attack modifier is low. There’s a reason Alex YSG works well. Alex has the same 30% damage boost that Khan has but I bet YSGs nuke damage would do more under Alex. Pretty much a balance of all damage modifier is key unless you’re atilla takeda lol.

[@Dragothien]

my point is proven even more with this. alex ysg is in the middle of the spectrum on severely wounded because of that very fact. you can't have 230% atk with nuking commanders, that's the point, you pick the higher damage output of the skill damage, or you pick the higher attack and severely wounded giver with normal/counterattack

[@stewarth794]

Is rhonny ok ?

[@Dragothien]

hes posting again, so I think so

[@stewarth794]

Dragothien Gaming .... Glad to hear hope your staying safe

[@brhomemqpl144]

plz we need translete arabic bro

[@Dragothien]

If you can get someone to do it for me, I’d be so happy :)

[@brhomemqpl144]

the youtube maybe ? 🙂

[@THUNGUNS]

so that's why ATTA ain't that good in canyon. aahh