Sex, Drugs, and the Right to Vote I BETWEEN 2 WARS I 1920 Part 4 of 4

When many of the fighting men of The Great War return home addicted to drugs and infected with venereal disease, their sweethearts have decided that it's time for some serious changes! It's time for women's liberation!
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[@cosmicpaddlefish9748]

Indy explaining where babies come from in the same tone he uses for describing massive battles while “Venus, Bringer of Peace” by Gustav Holst plays in the background. This is amazing.

[@jancyraniak4739]

But he seems oblivious to the fact that women's liberation did lead to a world full of children without fathers.

[@edopronk1303]

Mars I did recognise, thank you for pointing out Venus.

[@samrevlej9331]

@@jancyraniak4739 News flash, buddy: illegitimate children and therefore children without fathers have existed for centuries before the scawy feminists won the right for women not to have to raise a human being for the next 15-20 years of their lives as single mothers.

[@ZER0ZER0SE7EN]

I didn't recognize it 3:35 as it was quieter than Indy's speaking voice. I did recognize Mars Bringer of War 15:58 for the Nazis. Holst released this music just a couple of years before the time covered by this episode. This music is still used in media 100 years later!

[@LordVader1094]

@@jancyraniak4739 Yeah it's almost like people in the past could pretty easily predicy the end result

[@VladTevez]

As someone said, which I don't remember, "You may not care for politics and elections, but they shape your life"

[@andypants1000]

"If you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you"

[@Marinealver]

I care about politics, I just don't care about discussing it online.

[@VladTevez]

​@@Marinealver Doesn't matter, the only that matters is the ballot box

[@Korgull6669]

@@neues3691 Not really. Politics in one society can even have consequences on another society. US foreign policy, for example, is something that only Americans get a say in deciding (via voting), but US foreign policy, as of the last couple of decades, includes slaughtering folks in the Middle East, people who do not really get a choice in the matter. Brazil voting in a man who wants to genocide indigenous Amazonians and open up the Amazon to industrial development will have consequences on literally everyone else, given how important the Amazon is to the whole "keeping the world habitable for human life" thing. Even in decentralized societies, our actions have consequences that do not follow our rules regarding boundaries and borders. It is necessary, even in local politics, to have a global perspective.

[@gregorstamejcic2355]

Well, Emma Goldman put it succintly: If elections could change anything, they would be forbidden!

[@johnanth]

Didn't expect to have Indy explain sex to me

[@robozstarrr8930]

@Phi6er.... that guy with 14 f*ck'in kids obviously didn't!! ...

[@TheDJGrandPa]

Im Indy Nidell, this is modern contraceptives

[@11Kralle]

"The Future of humanity depends on having SEX!" Indy stole my pick-up line... (sigh)

[@majormononoke8958]

What about these: Time for hentai Let me show you something Help me save humanity!!!!

[@DjayDavidJoon]

I love the fact that these videos are almost twice as long as TGW episodes, keep up the great work!

[@robinledesma2683]

"Young fighting men facing potential death will do whatever they can to find some comfort and solace in the arms of another." That's another way of saying that guys will do whatever they have to do, so they won't die a virgin.

[@Biker_Gremling]

*Sees title. *Sees video. I'm not disappointed.

[@Healermain15]

I'm positively excited!

[@Biker_Gremling]

@@Healermain15 Probably the deepest subject to date 😏

[@Artur_M.]

Since Poland plays a significant role in this series (looking forward to the next episode btw), I'm just going to mention that the Polish women got the full voting rights right after the independence in 1918.

[@kapitainnemoder5]

But abortion is still not accepted today, especially with the very backwards regime now.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@kapitainnemoder5 You get that in a lot of very religious countries, catholic ones seem worse, this is coming from an Irish person btw.

[@mateuszk6825]

@@kapitainnemoder5 Not on demand but there are tons of cases when abortion is allowed

[@Artur_M.]

​@@kapitainnemoder5 True, the abortion law is pretty restrictive and our current government wanted to restrict it even further but (thankfully) backed down, at least for now after protests. Personally, I have rather mixed feelings about abortion and don't feel like discussing it right now, especially since I don't really feel competent to do so. Even beyond that issue, Poland is now admittedly more conservative than most of Europe (especially Western Europe), however a century ago it wasn't the case. Despite being predominantly Catholic, Poland was relatively quite liberal/progressive in many aspects. For example, homosexuality was officially legalized in 1932, or rather legally recognized, because it wasn't previously penalized at all by Polish law. So what happened? Personally, I blame communism. First of all the communist regime itself was paradoxically quite conservative itself when it came to the matters of family and sexuality. Secondly, the main counterbalance to the regime was the Catholic Church, gaining a lot of influence and authority in the society throughout the latter half of 20th century (arguably for very valid reasons but that's another topic), instead of losing it like in many other countries. Furthermore, after the fall of communism, the political niche of the democratic left was taken over by a bunch of former "red yuppies", as I like to call them - the younger generation of the Party members, who were in it only for a career, wanted to continue it in the democratic Poland and didn't really care about any ideals. The genuine feminist and LGBT activist also often acted dumb and counterproductive in my opinion, not referencing our own traditions of tolerance and progressivism nearly enough (if at all), but bashing Poles for our "backwardness" and telling everybody to become more "European", thus basically supporting the ultra-conservative narrative of some kind of threat to the Polish identity. Sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely annoyed at all the sides of our contemporary public "discourse".

[@markwalshopoulos]

@@Artur_M. Poland was extremely conservative after it became a dictatorship in 1926

[@scottybuenites]

To be fair the whole contraception thing leading to parentless kids was bang on

[@shionkreth7536]

Yeah it's funny how many of their concerns actually did come to pass.

[@ashutoshsethi6150]

It also led to no kids from sex, how much autonomy that gave to women on their body. Sex became a delicacy for women, as it had been for men.

[@mikaelasgeirsson7430]

These episodes just get better and better!

[@oneofmanyjames-es1643]

If Indy did the sex ed tapes they would have been so much better

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

Video on prostitution: "I'm Indy Neidell, and this is The Great Whore"

[@thebog11]

@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva Underrated comment

[@pagodebregaeforro2803]

😄👏🏽

[@Sasuri]

Indy: “Sex.” Me: *W H E E Z E*

[@david.bowerman]

Most of the women that did not want the right to vote is because they did not want the responsibilities that came along with the right and that men today still have to deal with and women do not have to deal with. One of the biggest responsibilities is the Draft.

[@majormononoke8958]

you mean burdens...

[@david.bowerman]

Major Mononoke, what is the difference between a responsibility and a burden? If you can manage it, do not go to the dictionary.

[@steveallen1635]

I get that there's an excellent production team behind these videos, but Indy's narration is just amazing!

[@cestparti7577]

Its masterfull isnt it !

[@cs_fl5048]

My father worked in the public health service. In Galveston, they worked with the many houses of ill repute in order to keep the merchant marines out of sickbay.

[@kikufutaba1194]

As a lesbian, it limits my exposure to pregnancy but as to STD's, it is always best to be with only one person who also adheres to this idea. It is interesting that during this period they had similar fears to the ones we have today. Thank you for this interesting episode.

[@LordVader1094]

Yeah, monogomy is just the safest choice let's be honest

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

​@@LordVader1094Only if it's mutual of course.

[@jasoncloete8348]

"The Germans, the Russians, the Austrians, the Italians - all of them are handing out condoms." Indy that's pretty much the entire landscape of Europe!😂😂😂

[@bwv668]

It was in 1838, while calling at Pitcairn Island, that Captain Russell Elliott of the British warship H.M.S. Fly, answered pleas of the islanders for British protection from the depredations of American whaling crews who were visiting the Island in rapidly increasing numbers. In the Constitution and code of laws that Elliott wrote, Pitcairn women were given the right to vote, and the education of all Pitcairn children was made compulsory.

[@erictaylor5462]

I know of a kid who, in high school met a girl who "punched his V-card" He'd been brought up in a deeply religious environment and had been "educated" with abstinence only sex ed. He'd been told that having sex outside marriage was basically a 100% chance of getting VD. (read more) Well, this kid and his new girlfriend start playing in many places, some of them less than sanitary. Pretty quick he gets that burning urination and goes to see his doctor. Knowing the doctor can't say anything without permission he fully explains about his new girl friend. The doctor collects a urine sample and assures the kid he doesn't have VD. It's just a standard UTI. A shot and a round of antibiotics and he's back in business now paying better attention to the cleanliness of his lovemaking locations. Not long after this he gets invited to meet his girlfriend's parents. Her mother is kind and welcoming and her father.... is his doctor.

[@Snejfrod]

This was a very very good episode. Very impressive how you managed to follow so many threads and tangents in a clear and cohesive manner, in such a short amount of time. I've loved your work for a long time, but this episode has me the most impressed so far with the quality of your script writing.

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you for your kind words! We are happy you enjoyed it.

[@jovanweismiller7114]

“I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan... I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.” -- Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography, published in 1938, p. 366

[@BHuang92]

The Roaring 20s is here!

[@RoyRogerer]

@Prussian Eagle Decadence!

[@franzfanz]

Probably the best episode so far. Really captured the spirit of the age without glorifying it, then tied it neatly to fascist social ideology.

[@r3xmundi1]

Nicely done. This is the first episode I've seen that emphasized that history isn't just built from the decisions of politicians and generals, or other _individuals_...but stems from wider social drivers too. Your team should cover more topics like this; you do them well.

[@gaelanmccann324]

100 years later and now we realise the right to vote doesn't mean shit when oligarchs and corporate interests preselect the politicians you get to vote for.

[@jan-dorussleutels9161]

I dig the Mondriaan-inspired graphics you guys went for for this series. Really captures the changing socio-cultural landscape quite well!

[@HistoryHustle]

Interesting video. I just finished watching the TV mini-series Rebellion (2016) about the Irish Rebellion. Here also several women take the lead and the series touches upon the concept of a changing world where women have more rights.

[@indianajones4321]

Great video again, been rewatching the Cuban Missile Crisis episodes

[@spartacus-olsson]

You make us happy as always!

[@JenniferinIllinois]

What a great series. Poor Indy looked like he didn't sleep during the entire crisis. 😉😉😉

[@Depipro]

...which I still think should be renamed the "Turkey Missile Crisis", by the way.

[@VladTevez]

Disclaimer: Thomas Malthus has no relation with Thanos.

[@VladTevez]

@@NormanMStewart Nope!

[@Patryk128pl]

WHAT? I'm shocked! :O

[@buster117]

Είσαι παντού! Πως?

[@rohitrai6187]

Malthus is a figure worth knowing much more than Thanos I'd say

[@VladTevez]

@@buster117 Με το κουμπί των ειδοποιήσεων...

[@thomasridley8675]

This was one of your best. The web of history has many legs. Leading off in every direction. Sex, drugs, war and religion that's how we roll.

[@TheCimbrianBull]

Thanks for another great video. Very informative and useful background information. 👍

[@benjaminmaxwell9025]

I like the varied topics that this channel covers.

[@cliffclark2285]

Thanks Indie! I'm so glad you're keeping up not only on WW2 but between 2 wars. Love your and Spartacus's work

[@albertbrennaman5605]

Well glad to see that none of the fears of breaking up the families, children growing up without fathers and general moral decay of society came true...

[@ashutoshsethi6150]

Moral decay should not be just accessible to men.

[@eddied.5156]

I think it would have been interesting if Indy had gotten to Margaret Sanger's roll in promoting eugenics in her book Woman and the New Race

[@DK-ed7be]

He didn't merely gloss over that, he simply ignored it much like he ignored President Wilson introducing Jim Crow to the federal government.

[@xappgametvx]

Indie back it again with another great video, you made my day!

[@kalashnikovdevil]

Between this and WW2 and his last videos for The Great War, he seems to be everywhere lol.

[@lettucebee8425]

Excellent use of a Milligan joke. Pure class 😁

[@jacobnormann6678]

“The fear about giving women the vote was that this would result in millions of children without fathers to raise them.” Well were they wrong?

[@AtomicPeacenik]

Wow I really learned a lot from this episode. Consistently excellent work! Thank you Indy & the Time Ghost team.

[@WildBillCox13]

These stories needed told. Otherwise, the history we get is so sanitized that nothing can be learned from it. Thanks twice, Indy and team!

[@teeguy100]

Spike Milligan! You got that in right at the end! He was a genius and one of my heros for his wit and honesty. Thanks again!

[@perrymathis4557]

Wow another history rhymes for sure. Hundred years later and another opioid outbreak killing the population albeit for different reasons. Great job gang as always love the show.

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks! Although we have to be careful in making comparisons between the present-day and history... Nevertheless we appreciate the kind words :)

[@geraldgriffin8220]

what do we have today ? a bunch of kids with no one to raise them..

[@HoH]

Out of curiosity: what sources have you used for these detailed videos on the way of life and cultural developments? I would love to read those books! As always, thoroughly enjoyed the video and the detail!

[@spartacus-olsson]

I will try to get to compiling it all and put it in the description (this was written already 5 month ago and I was sloppy with separating my source list by episode) and it's a lot of sources that I used - many of them research articles and scholarly essays though.

[@HoH]

@@spartacus-olsson Thank you for the quick reply! Since you are reading this: I honestly have so much respect for the well-researched videos and fantastic delivery. The fact that you guys are doing WW2 and this channel is admirable. I can imagine it is a lot of fun to do! I am already looking forward to the next one!

[@spartacus-olsson]

Thank you! It's absolutely a lot of fun and as Indy put it; "in many ways what our entire lives have led up to".

[@indy_go_blue6048]

An excellent book for both political and cultural development (including popular music and fads) in the United States read William Manchester's "The Glory and the Dream: A Cultural History of America 1933-1973." A sequel of the next 40 years is desperately needed.

[@RoyRogerer]

To anybody interested in a fantastic TV series depiction of the era, watch Babylon Berlin. Though it is set in 1929, the show competently covers these aspects of change in society during the 1920s. This episode was definitely interesting because now I understand a lot behind the depictions of the show.

[@XiangYu94]

This dude knows how to seamlessly teach me about trench warfare, H1 viruses, and birth control economics all in the span of one series

[@TimeGhost]

It's kind of our thing...

[@ShiftingDrifter]

This was brilliantly informative!

[@pegoe7784]

Tbh the "arguments" against the women's suffarage were not much like arguments but statements for the future and they are pretty right. I do not want women to be opressed, but women have been given even more rights than men so.....

[@TimeGhost]

Not really. Women in America today are still underrepresented in government and workplace discrimination and harassment is still common. You can maybe have a debate about the extent of gender inequality in America but it's wrongheaded to say women have more rights than men.

[@nick-jo3hy]

Well we can't claim to have universal suffrage and pass laws that effect women whilst denying women the vote en masse it's a clear injustice. If a minority people in any given state suffered more incidents of violent assault, had significantly lower life expectancy and a higher percentage chance of loosing access to their children we ought to decry this. It does happen to the "gender minority" and most people do not think it wrong just "normal" or inevitable. So regarding suffrage it could be one vote per household rather than one vote per citizen. At present under eighteens are affected by laws they had no say in forming and spend their futures paying off national debts accrued during their infancy. Our democracy is not perfect it's just what we are used to. Millions of citizens in my country may not vote due to being in gaol for criminal offences, in the USA I believe this continues simply due to having a criminal record even if after release a citizen works and pays taxes.

[@Rickeeey1]

I haven't watched the whole video yet but I don't know if you talk about the reason why women couldn't vote. In fact not even all men could vote either in many cases. The short summary is that men could vote because they had the responsibility of fighting wars and potentially dying on the battlefield. Women got the vote without any similar responsibility. The way women got the vote (i.e. getting the right but not the responsibility) was unjust.

[@TimeGhost]

Taking that argument to its logical conclusion would surely mean that only men who have served in the military can vote? Plus women did contribute to the war effort in my ways that did not involve active service so the argument does not really stand. AND "the responsibility of fighting wars and potentially dying" clearly did not fulfil the criteria of being able to vote for centuries. One of the victims of the 1819 Peterloo Massacre was John Lees, a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.

[@ashutoshsethi6150]

War does not run on soldiers alone, the workers get a voice as well.

[@arisukak]

Two things that are always left out about women's suffrage. The first being that most men in most countries didn't have the right to vote either. When universal suffrage was enacted in Britain, half the men in the UK gained the right to vote too, but no one ever points this fact out! The second thing always left out is the technology that allowed women to actually have the free time to vote. The woman's job at the time was to take care of the house and children. There were so many inventions that came out that immensely cut the time of a woman's house chores down. You had washing machines, stoves, ovens, vacuum cleaners. Taking care of a house was a full time job 200 years ago, but by a 100 years ago it was a lot less. Related to the last point is the fact that most of your early suffragettes were wealthy. While most women were working, they had the free time because they had wet nurses and maids taking care of their children and homes.

[@varana]

Err... voting is not a job that takes so much time that you can't do anything else. Women went to the market, to church, to public gatherings, to the well, etc. - all of that takes considerably more time than voting.

[@arisukak]

@@varana Polling places were generally only in the big cities, while the majority of people were rural. There are elections that probably would have gone differently hadn't there been storms or blizzards preventing people from traveling. So yes, the act of voting itself doesn't take much time, the travel time does.

[@varana]

@@arisukak But that is another reason altogether - because for that, the relevant technological improvements were not those freeing up time in the household but modern transport and communication. And those affected all genders similarly. Most of the population could not afford either one of the parents leaving the house for days unless it was for work (and brought income).

[@arisukak]

@@varana Freeing up time allowed for them to use such modern transportation. A lot of things came together to not only change the house, but how the house is viewed.

[@majormononoke8958]

Until 1975 women in most European countries needed the permission of their husbands to work and didnt manage their earn money, so go back to school... Mr Liberal conservative Propaganda Noob...

[@jasbaklinski]

Kinda amazing that all the concerns that people had have come to fruition.

[@threeone6012]

When I grew up in the 1970s everyone was worried about overpopulation. That's not true anymore. Today it is widely believed that there is no upper limit to the number of people that can live in a given region. The more people the better.

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

Your last paragraph.....can you provide more details and research on this? "It is widely believed....."by whom?

[@dannym7026]

Unironically this video explained the importance and historical context of condoms better than any adult ever did. This is real educational content!

[@theheadshot45]

I'm watching The Great War, Between 2 Wars, and World War Two all in a row and I remember the lines about brothels during WW1 word for word in this episode from The Great War ;) Why write it twice when it was expressed so well the first time?

[@LoydAvenheart]

Indy is a really good sex ed and history teacher.

[@timmmahhhh]

Anyone who can pull a Spike Milligan quote suitable to the context is a true student of all facets of history. Well done! Perhaps you should had used The Yington Song as the outro music.

[@spartacus-olsson]

Thank you - both Indy and I are fans of Spike and as I was looking for that little extra zinger for the end, I vaguely remembered that Spike had made a joke about contraception - after that Google was my friend. If I ever get around to doing 'The Space Race' as I hope I will definitely reference "Irish Astronauts" - love that sketch.

[@kfoster3616]

One point - there are many good points in the comment section...But one neglected point is that the husband/father was considered the head of the home and voted for the family....what would be best for them as a family unit. The husband/father was out making a paycheck or running a business to support the family as the wife/mother took care of the domestic aspects at home. It was a symbiotic relationship. As women became more independent this aspect became less important. There are other reasons not listed in the comments section that I will leave for another time.

[@behindthespotlight7983]

Just became a Patreon Patron. As the Producer of Caravan to Midnight I appeal to each of you to pay for the content you love and access. These shows take so much more money than it may appear. In fact, the higher the production value and the more flawlessly given content is presented, the less expensive it “appears” to cost. I found The Great War in August 2017. My only regret is that I didn’t find it in April 2014. Having produced 5 shows since 2015 I can tell you that approximately 3% of a programs’ viewers pay 100% of the bills. God bless, fellow Time Ghost travelers 🧳 🎙 🎥

[@spartacus-olsson]

Hi Jon - thank you so much for your contribution and these very true words!

[@mehrcat1]

22% of the Canadian soldiers had V.D. Truly the history the schoolbooks don't teach. Good old Spike! He really was unique.

[@jurgenstoll2394]

The Not-So-Fun-Fact: The right to vote for women in Switzerland was installed on 7. February 1971. Switzerland was one of the last european countries giving full civil rights to women, but it was the first country doing this by a referendum of the male voters!

[@Lubhomir]

Possibly the reason why they were doing so well in economics.

[@josynaemikohler6572]

@@Lubhomir Also a bit of legal slave labor until the eighties, a wealthy, corrupt banking system, being abused as tax haven from wealthy european "migrants"....

[@goyonman9655]

Hmm

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

In 1990 the last Canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden in Switzerland finally gave women the right to vote.

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

​@@josynaemikohler6572What was the legal slave labour?

[@martienvanderhof6696]

In this one you really connected some dots for me. This one and the one about the rise of Mussolini I can definitely use teaching my students. Thanks!

[@JJ8KK]

I think I've always been impressed with Indy's 'presentation' of topics as challenging as this one. His natural curiosity re: how these wars came about, and how they unfolded, is something I identify with completely, which is why I suppose I've always sought out his WW I & II KZbin series. With that great desire he has as to how and why World Wars I & II came to be, I wonder if he has had an opportunity to read Gerry Docherty's book, *Hidden History: The Secrets Origins Of The First World War* where he examines the key role *Cecil Rhodes* (of Rhodesia and Rhode's Scholar fame) et al., played in pushing for a 'showdown war' vs. Germany for many years previous? There's a lot of good information in it that explains what happened in elite circles in the decades that led up to the disaster that was WWI. An interesting and compelling review of Docherty's book and the subject of WWI's origins can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpTPcpWNq6enbZI

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@Drrolfski]

Fun fact: The Netherlands Cocaine Factory (NCF) in Amsterdam was government-regulated and by 1920 world market leader, producing 20% of all the cocaine in the world, but also producing morphine and heroin on an industrial scale. That was not to last forever of course but it does give a good insight into how nowaday's hard drugs were regarded at that times.

[@majormononoke8958]

Money, and today CIA sells them in Black Ghettos for money against "terrism".

[@alin_ilies]

In Romania, the church during the early november, during the preparation for a referendum about the "normal family, man with woman, no gay family", started to present arguments for the traditional family. One of their statement, was that "if we accept the gay family, the next step would be to introduce sex education in school". In Romania is a joke that we are behind 50 years from the west, it seems that we are 80 years, at least in this perspective.

[@EarthForces]

Nice. Romania is a role model then at least on that aspect.

[@Lubhomir]

80 years ago, white populace had colonies and basically ruled the entire world. Then sexual rights came, especially abortion. Now white countries have trouble to rule their original lands. Do you call that progress? If we extrapolate, in about 50 to 100 years, there might be no white majority in any country. The truth is, most of the world is hard working, while west is currently drunk woman raped from behind that they have trouble to even realize it. Actions have consequences, immorality has consequences. So i am not worried, it will pass.

[@jordansjul]

Romania has a lot of things going for it. Compared to the rest of Western Europe that is slowly dying out. I am of Italian descent, and it is so sad to see the shrunken family. So many of the young adults and middle-aged adults rely solely on the older generation for their source of community and family because they have not created their own. Once that last generation dies out they will be alone, over grown adult children, and essentially become wards of the state in their old age

[@lochnessmonster5149]

The guy was right. Sexual liberation did in fact lead to millions of fatherless children filling our prisons.

[@mrwayne548]

They called the single parent household back in the 20s. Didn’t see that comming

[@W0mbRaider]

Now the debate has shifted from denial of the demise of the nuclear family to the championing of it as somehow good for society.

[@Jrookus]

moodist 1er but muh capitalist profits

[@Manlaw2012]

Indy definitely can make anything sound interesting. Been watching since 1914 and now we had to get the sex talk after the war. Lol. Very good show guys!

[@carlosrivera1058]

Margaret "Eugenics" Sanger

[@indy_go_blue6048]

"Remember, flies cause diseases. Keep yours buttoned up." -Band of Brothers

[@Cancoillotteman]

I see you there, using Holst's "Mars" music when speaking of Germany ^^

[@spartacus-olsson]

...and Venus when talking of sex and women's lib ;-)

[@ecophreak1]

No Jupiter :(

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@ecophreak1 it wasn't a time for ruling, alas :/

[@nigeh5326]

I've always loved 'Mars' from Holst's the planets suite and wish someone would make an accurate big budget movie about WW1 using it. Mars booming out as an artillery barrage howls down on the trenches would be amazing

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@nigeh5326 I think Mars would be better for the preparations to the barage, rather than the shots themselves. By the way it was actually planned to be used as an hommage by Ennio Morricone in the sadly never produced movie Sergio Leone wanted to do before he died "the 100 days of Leningrad" (WW2). It is also of course a big inspiration source to John Williams for the Star Wars soundtracks

[@guruprasadf07]

You are my favorite historian !!!!

[@mailman63155]

"..Many [in the 19th and early 20th century] people women's liberation as a threat to the core family which, by their argument would lead to a world full of children without fathers...to raise them..." Historian Indy Neidell "The share of U.S. children living with an unmarried parent has more than doubled since 1968, jumping from 13% to 32% in 2017." Pew Research

[@indy_go_blue6048]

In black American families the number may be as high as 70%.

[@Hfil66]

One point that is overlooked is that, at least for the UK, the extension of suffrage was not just to women but also to most men, as the number of men allowed to vote after 1918 more than doubled what was allowed before. It is certainly true that extending the right of women to vote undermined the role of the family, but not only with regard to birth control issues. Prior to 1918, there was in effect one vote per family (albeit, that vote was in the hands of the husband and father), whereas after 1918 it became one vote per person and in effect sidelined the political significance of the family. This could be said to be part of a longer term trend, with the state taking increasing roles for looking after the education of children and the elderly away from the responsibility of the family, and increasingly having a direct relationship between the state and each of its citizens.

[@archstanton5113]

I'm not sure if you haven't already talked about this but did the "shortage" of young men after the war cause many women to remain unmarried or what happened to them?

[@91jvdb]

I have an Aunt who married at 16, gave birth at 17, and by 19 was a war widow. She never remarried. Her husband a french immigrant living in Canada, joined up with the French army and was killed at the Aisne in Sept 1914

[@nesa1126]

I wonder the same thing. Serbia lost 60% of its man population...

[@Marcus280898]

This was one of the reasons Britain gave the vote only to propertied women over 30, the loss of so many men meant the authorities were very worried that granting universal suffrage would lead to a gender imbalance at the polls, leading to some of the 'societal ills' Indy mentions in the video.

[@ChristopherNFP]

In Australia yes. My grandmother was 22 when the war ended but did not marry until age 34. My other grandmother married at age 35.

[@TranscendianIntendor]

@@ChristopherNFP Women in their thirties like men in their thirties are on the one hand hot, and on the other hand experienced. Mostly it doesn't matter. They forget what they knew and have theories in their heads that don't work. Luck, there is luck.

[@slim_mike]

11:56 "the inevitable fact that young fighting men, facing potential death, will do whatever they can to get some confort and solace in the arms of another" it touched my heart

[@goyonman9655]

Unprotected comfort And get diseased

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

Well that's a romanticised way of looking at it.......

[@adamwoodings5865]

Wait, so the USA banned heroin in 1924, but the alcohol prohibition period was from 1920-33. Was alcohol really seen as more of a problem than heroin at this time, or was it because heroin was still seen as a medical tool? I've also wondered how surgical alcohol was treated at this time. I've always had images of nurses trying to explain to police why they're taking 'booze' to the patients about to get operated on, or great drums of raw alcohol kept behind massive locked gates while a stern matron looks on disapprovingly with a massive iron key tied to her belt...

[@ScooterWeibels]

The law was strange it outlawed commercial drinkable alcohol, your could make your own at home in limited amounts. Rubbing alcohol is not drinkable.

[@AdamMGTF]

I was a nurse. We had plenty of controlled drugs that would have a street value. Can't imagine it was any different. As for medical alcohol not being drinkable. I've met a few alcoholics who would disagree! Lol apparently if you put alcohol swabs in a carton of NHS orange juice, it tastes quite nice 😳

[@markcantemail8018]

Thank you Indy . Grandma was a Flapper 1902-1992 , she lived a Full Life . Wright Brothers to Space Shuttle . I have memories of Her answers to my questions , She did Blush but did not get angry about Answering . Raised 2 Kids and had a lot of Fun before doing that . I know things about Her life . This episode helps me understand it a little better . Wow 22 Percent ! The other Grandma was Canadian . Very informative Video .

[@avveb9644]

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! You litteraly just explained more in this episode about the conditions between the wars and why history played out the way it did, more than anything in my life. This episode is a eyeopener for me, its remarkable that this is not tought in school. That explaination would ruin all the right wing extremists in Sweden. Indy, you are indeed a great man.

[@sylviahacker6695]

Well done Indy, very well done. Kudos to the writers too.

[@jordansjul]

You also leave out the hard truth about Margaret Sanger as a hardcore eugenicist - It is almost impossible to access her writings on the Internet and certainly not through Google to read what she actually wrote about undesirables, government mandated castrations and sterilizations, and forced labor for those Who resisted. She was deeply involved in the eugenics international movement. And any discussion of her and of the tension surrounding birth control should bring up that very real aspect of her campaign

[@Medafets]

If Thomas Malthus’s ideas sound somewhat familiar, they were the basis of Thanos’ plan in Infinity War.

[@LargenirGK]

"Sex, Drugs, and the Right to Vote" - sound like fun!

[@AgustusM]

amazing job boiling down so many complex factors into influence and impact over human decisions.

[@davidp.7620]

5:25 Wow!! I would never believe they were right but now....

[@thahoasje]

Its eerie isn't it

[@GregoleX2]

This was an incredible episode

[@shawngilliland243]

I don't know about the British and Commonwealth nations during the Scone World War, however, even during the Second World War, the US government continued to be concerned with "morals" and shut down brothels on two continents which had been established for American fighting men. There was one for the pilots of the Flying Tigers (that brothel included some English speaking prostitutes who'd escaped from Hong Kong)that was shut down when the 'Tigers were brought into the USAAF, and again in France after the invasion of Normandy - where the French government had set up some brothels for American soldiers in order to reduce the rate of sexual assault against French women who were NOT prostitutes.

[@goyonman9655]

Why were they assaulting them

[@goyonman9655]

@@katieee4915 who said anything about them being the good guys I asked why they did it. And you answerred, the did it because they do it

[@vanscoyoc]

You cannot let anybody who don't pay income taxes to vote. Its not their money.

[@vanscoyoc]

@@indiananeidell9186 Hi Indy love all the work you have put into hundreds of great videos. I was very specific to income taxes. I was specific in that way because that is the big one, the big crushing tax and punishment to working.

[@ashutoshsethi6150]

So poor people don't get a voice?

[@tcc5750]

5:14 Pretty accurate tbh

[@susanmaggiora4800]

TCC yeah, I couldn’t help but think those guys were pretty on the nose.

[@Purvis-dw4qf]

Children raised without fathers- what a silly prediction.

[@BobanOrlovic]

They were right about absolutely everything

[@AdamMGTF]

Doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

[@Mis-AdventureCH]

Funny how that worked out, LOL.

[@imcintyre01]

5:07 huh....kinda weird considering how things turned out. (Looks at modern day America) 5:27 really weird.....considering how things turned out (looks at increasing divorce rate) 8:06 I know it’s not entirely true, but places like China (one child policy), India, and parts of Africa come to mind. 8:56 so he said to increase food production, and yet 8:17 you said his calculations are off the mark...

[@Jrookus]

USERZ123 quite the Marxist take. You literally ripped his exact words out of the manifesto. Specifically on the family. I would say plagiarism (and on a comrade too smh) but this is the internet and no one cares

[@LordVader1094]

@USERZ123 lol okay filthy marxist

[@weywey3318]

Thanks Indy. People like you make the Internet awesome.

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@bbcmotd]

Don't forget that in Russia women could vote way before WWI (within the Duchy of Finland) and all across Russia since 1917.

[@TimeGhost]

We mentioned Finland - the vote in Russia in 1917 is theoretical as the country is so torn up that elections couldn’t be organized - after the war for a few years they might be considered relevant within a socialist context, but once Stalin rises we can’t speak of democracy even within a socialist context, so suffrage is by force limited and not relevant to an examination of the development of participatory democracy.

[@Oxtocoatl13]

True but that would not last long in Russia. Also in the Duchy of Finland electoral democracy was established in 1907, but it was largely ineffective because Nicholas would not ratify laws passed by the parliament and would order new elections every year or so until 1916. Finland wouldn't have normal, crisis free elections until 1919.

[@nirfz]

They were still ahead of Switzerland... ;-)

[@majormononoke8958]

1990 last canton right? @@nirfz

[@nirfz]

@@majormononoke8958 on cantonial votings yes, on federal level formally 1971 :-)

[@mekipeki4358]

Just finished watching the WW1 episodes. Great stuff. Love your underlining of important details like in this episode. Keep it up!

[@theirishshane2914]

At 5:10 they have a good point. Single motherhood is at a all time high. Which means millions of children are growing up with out a father in North America as well as all over the western world. This has meany negative side effects.

[@TimeGhost]

Perhaps - but what they didn't get right was starving, homeless, uneducated children, and destitute parents - poverty, homelessness, and famine is at its lowest in human history while average disposable inflation-corrected-income and education is at its highest. Not only in the US but in the entire world - thereby not said that we don't have problems, just not the ones they predicted.

[@theirishshane2914]

The word "Perhaps" means maybe or possible. There is no maybe or possible only defiantly. Single mother hood is not good for a nation. 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes Source thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ If you care about starving homeless, uneducated children you would care about fatherless homes. As for starving, homeless, uneducated children, and destitute parents. The GDP was much lower back then. Could the UK government afford all social spending as we do now ? probable not. It is not the fact that people were meaner or less charitable back then it could be possible that they simply did not have the resources available to give out. Just because a poor man cant give as much to charity as a rich man dose not mean the poor man is morally inferior to the rich man.

[@TimeGhost]

Yes, @@theirishshane2914, we say _perhaps_ because from our vantage point we cannot make any conclusive statements on cause and effects regarding the troubles of the world in the present - we're historians and documentarians - not political activists or sociologists, our purpose here is not to dissect the current problems of society, but to document the past. We gave you a fairly comprehensive and unbiased view of the situation in 1920 - the academic analysis of the situation in 2018 we leave to those with strong opinions, the scholars dealing with on sociology, and future historians - none of which we belong to.

[@theirishshane2914]

The problems of today began in the past. They are linked past, present, future. Look at Marx for example. He made his ideas public in 1867 with his first book. Only in 1917 did his ideas were tried on a mass scale with results of genocide of the people of Russia and later much of the world. To solve problem we must talk about them first. The problems origins must be discussed so we may never repeat the mistakes of the past onto the present and future. You guys are historians. That is fine, that is why i am watching your videos. But I believe people have the right to know the long term consequences of the past. What would some one from 1920 think of 2018 with all of technological advancement ? From there point of view they may view use with moral critasisem as much as we criticize the morals of the past. We are richer now then we every bin before but are we happier ? The average teenager in America or the UK maybe well fed and have access to technology that the best scientist in 1920 could not dream of. But this leads to more social isolation and alienation as people become addicted to the likes of social media. How meany school shooters where there in 1920. Not meany. look at us. we have the kind of communication that a general from ww1 would kill for. But thank you for taking the time to address my comment out of the countless thousands you fellas get every video. There are channels out there that will ban you for the slightest criticism. SO I am grateful that you address my comment politely instead of just banning or insulting people like some other channels out there. I do hope that you took no offense over my comments. One more point. Can you ask Indy Neidell to grow a 1920s style mustache. I would appreciate it.

[@TimeGhost]

We will forward the request for a pencil moustached to Indy. We take no offence - just pointing out that it's not our job to make all the conclusions and 'fix the world' - if we can contribute some little knowledge that helps better understand our past so that we can better decide our future, we are already deeply humbled and grateful.

[@xboxisbetta]

Amazing episode, never made these connections before I watched this.

[@ancientmapper3574]

I mean...today we do have many many children without mothers and especially fathers...and many many families are being ruined.. so maybe they were right

[@andypants1000]

I love this set, and would love to lean back and consume brandy in it