SFWA Scandal DESTROYING Science Fiction Organization As President RESIGNS

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[@thisoldgoat3927]

Everything woke turns to crap.

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

.. How appropriate = 'Sfwa' is Syphilis.

[@royasturias1784]

That dookie is not fit for agricultural purposes.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

I knew I saw a sign up in the sky at 12AM, 2000 AD "'Abandon all hope ye who enter here!" Hell of a century. Literally, a hell of century. Most of us old people - in our 70s and 80s admit we are glad that we are old. It's getting to hard to live amid this level of nuts. I don't envy the young. The next few chapters of this history are bound to be even worse. WE haven't hit the nadir point and the pendulum isn't starting to swing in the opposite direction .

[@ransakreject5221]

We call it woke. But it’s communism.

[@mosaicmind88]

Don't sweat it. Even the Nobel Peace Prize has lost its meaning.

[@YouTubeCensors]

Yes, back when Obama won the peace prize for being in 7 drone wars or something

[@russ254]

especially that one - they gave it to arafat, fps

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

And the Pukelitzer...

[@Michael-og8dt]

​@@russ254didn't they give it to slimy Obama too?

[@fun_gussy]

If you knew the history of the Nobel prize it's always been a way for people to give prizes to their friends.

[@prozac623]

Jon, the same thing is happening in the rest of the publishing industry. Tom Monteleone is an author who runs a small publishing company called Borderlands Press. He's on the board of directors for the Horror Writers Association. He questioned why Lifetime Achievement Awards were being given out based on skin color and sexuality and in response, they canceled him and nuked Borderlands Press. These lowlifes infest and overrun everything. He's a great interview if you want to have him on your channel. He's one of many that this has happened to.

[@JonDelArroz]

Is this new? I should have him on.

[@srichael2713]

Hmmm, sounds like a tactic authoritarians use to silence dissent. Just like how the USSR would blackball from the establishment anyone speaking out against the party.

[@prozac623]

@@JonDelArroz Yes, It just happened recently. He sent out a message on his substack on July 27th. If you need his email or anything, let me know how to get in touch with you. Great guy. Its a shame that these authoritarians are going after so many good people.

[@EVSniderWriter]

@@JonDelArrozthis happened in 2023 and just recently explained a bit on his sub stack. Definitely have him on if you can

[@epobirs]

He also has done a fair amount of SF work going back long ways. Definitely someone to bring on.

[@AuthorJohnADouglas]

This org seems like a total mess and a waste of money

[@Jillian-st6fy]

Weird, they seemed like such nice child predators.

[@Dark_Snider]

Lol.

[@GodOfPlague]

The kind you could really bring home to Mom and Dad, for a light Sunday brunch.

[@Dark_Snider]

Damn! Whatever happened to this country. Movies are crap. Comic Book are crap Gaming is crap Book organizations are crap Olympics are crap We gotta change this.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Not all books. The Wingfeather Saga, for instance

[@FanniSarosi]

Remove all nonsense they put into entertainment.

[@krunchie101]

Everything became political activism. Which is ironic since fantasy was supposed to be escapism from real life's troubles.

[@LanceMartin-gn3fi]

@@Dark_Snider the activism is a major issue. A 2nd issue is having read or watched so much good entertainment it is hard to be entertained sometimes

[@russ254]

make your own entertainment, like everyone did for millions of years before television

[@arbhall7572]

Rick and Morty gave me something special a few years ago. "Your boos mean nothing. Ive seen what makes you cheer." They gave it to you too.

[@RedSiegfried]

This is what happens when people say gatekeeping is bad for a hobby and the hobbyists start to believe it.

[@glynnec2008]

I stopped paying attention to the Hugos and Nebulas over a decade ago, when the activists took over and started handing out awards to push DEI. Do you have any suggestions for a Science Fiction award based on the quality of the writing?

[@ryohoshi8445]

I don't think it's intentionally to push DEI here as much as they feel that the purpose of all art is to be propaganda for their belief system -- and that's the sole thing to them that determines its quality. Notice that they don't try to show you the best diverse writers, but rather the best kiss-ups.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Getting canceled by the woke?

[@Mauther]

It's amazing how these groups are all about inclusion but somehow are super exclusionary.

[@docsavage8640]

It's almost like their Orwellian language abuse should be a tip-off that whatever they say is a lie

[@EricKay_Scifi]

Yeah I hate the 'science' has dropped out of SF completely. Now SF means 'speculative fiction' and much of it is just space yfantasy. I'm like, okay fine, now where's the place for actual SCIENCE fiction?

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I hope some real sci fi writers start a new group and new awards -- and meticulousy gatekeep it.

[@droe2570]

SFWA has been a joke for decades.

[@ScottAzmus]

I was a full member of SFWA and dropped my membership when things started to go sideways there. I did not want them representing me in any way.

[@douglasarthur2673]

So the Tumblr crowd moved in and turned it into....well....Tumblr 😂

[@EventualWarlord]

Proof why gate keeping is a great thing.

[@watcherofthewest8597]

Woke destroys institutions

[@WeOnlyEatSoup]

They can't let you exist or others like you. As you are antithetical to their way of life, but I'm glad you stood up to those pathetic bully's and won! These awards are meaningless, real art and success among the readers speaks for itself. You have shown your worth compared to those clowns

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

What's really weird about these weird "people' is that had "they" not fought against JDA so hard most of us might not even know who JDA is. "Their" actions caused the opposite of what "they" wanted.

[@MephiticMiasma]

they called their fears into existence

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

The "science" part of science fiction can be difficult. The "science" needs to be logical and plausible Although "fantasy" also needs to be logical it is still easier.

[@MrScovanx]

The problem is, a lot of them write 'fantasy' which is essentially just romance. Dunsany they ain't.

[@GodOfPlague]

Fantasy at first is like oh cool I can do whatever. Then you realize you need to set rules, build a world, etc to make it good fantasy. I'm working on a straight fantasy now, and have finished my first Isekai fantasy working on a magic punk sort of society.

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

@@GodOfPlague That sounds cool.

[@GodOfPlague]

@@hammertronactionfigures2426 I like trying magic punk because I can have advanced concepts in the Isekai like airships. Simple concepts like plumbing though lol. It's fun to mess with.

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

@@GodOfPlague Cool. The more creators the merrier.

[@puffin51]

I was only a small-time pro, but my publication record was good enough to get me into SFWA, many years ago. I resigned when it became clear that the major qualification for any of the awards was to be of the correct victimhood status, and to write polemic, rather than narrative.

[@epobirs]

Before Jerry Pournelle became SFWA President, it was mainly a social club. He brought in a lot more focus on making it a support for professionals. There was a general lack of guidance for writers who didn't want to juggle a day job with their writing because they desperately needed the steady income and things like medical coverage. Decades after his time as President, Jerry would still get calls from other authors telling him about an aging pro falling into poverty and being unable to deal with things like medical bills. In the last years of his life, I could see he was unhappy with the direction the organization was going. If he were alive now, he'd be appalled but not surprised.

[@elijahherstal776]

At this point, I actually agree with my grandpa. Anything headed by Melanin and/or Estrogen is doomed to failure.

[@markaurelius61]

Well, anything based on any identity politics. Naziism for example was also doomed to failure,

[@antonkovalenko364]

As a wise orange philosopher once said, "Everything woke turns to shit."

[@partygrove5321]

Wise? LOL, the same skepticism I use to trash the woke I use to trash that fat whacked-out corrupt liar and would-be dictator.

[@captainkanji1]

I find it odd that a lot of prominent people in organizations like that are not anti kid touchers.

[@nihaoulouloulou3982]

Sexual deviancy leads to such things. To be clear I am not equating LGBT people as a whole with that term but only the hypersexual militants preaching their decadent lifestyle as the only way to be. As a member of that community myself I have witnessed these interest groups take a hold of the stage in a cult like manner in order to preach their way of life. In a way it reminds me of Sade's teachings on the matter of hedonism and the moral degeneracy it leads to. He explained that such lifestyle only lead to more extreme deviancy down the line due to the old "fun ways" being perceived as boring and repetitive. I am not surprised ChiMo to be included in their to-do list. It was inevitable considering their ideology.

[@HasturYellowSign]

Women destroy another organization? Absolutely shocking. Not at all.

[@wambutu7679]

Haven't been a member of sfwa for a long, long time. Didn't see the point anymore.

[@abn1508]

I joined for one year. It was a massive disaster and I dropped it.

[@Jillian-st6fy]

Do you think my letter a week to the IRS questioning the misappropriation of funds as a charity (due to funding Patrick Tomlinson's lolsuit) may have been the nail in the coffin?

[@EliPomovyev]

thank you for your service

[@Jillian-st6fy]

​@@EliPomovyevIDK if it's technically what the kids would call A-logging; I'm just real big on fair.

[@TheShorterboy]

feminised science fiction, so it's dumb

[@Deatheater4444]

This is the same organization that had Marion Zimmer-Bradley and Walter Breen among their alumni, even in its 'glory days'.

[@TheChzoronzon]

The pedo couple? Indeed ugh

[@aytviewer2421]

I like my SF. I wish SF and FAN were kept separate from one another.

[@xlerb1637]

Are there any people running SFWA who knew about Marion Zimmer Bradley?

[@LanceMartin-gn3fi]

What about her ?

[@xlerb1637]

@@LanceMartin-gn3fi google Moira Greyland Marion Zimmer Bradley Walter Breen Deirdre Saoirse Moen

[@erikwaag6438]

@@LanceMartin-gn3fi Seriously?

[@bense7enreilly]

let's not forget they've been protecting predators like ed kramer too... disgusting slob gets caught trying to meet with minors multiple times since the 90s, so he uses his health problems and oxygen tank as a crutch for people to feel sorry for him in court, pretending to faint. what a disgusting, vile excuse of a man.

[@Dark_Snider]

I read her books as a young teen. They were a little hard for me to get through but I knew something was off with her writing at the time but couldn't put a finger on it. When I found out her and her husband were sexually abusing their child I wasn't surprised.

[@pittbullking87]

It seems to me the criteria for membership is based on ideology and not merit. No wonder their organization is such a mess.

So they are the sci fi writers version of the Film Actors Guild from Team America, got it.

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

Time 9:45 That's an....interesting statement to make while leaving. The family issues is more than enough justification for anyone to step down. This sounds like someone has been washing clothes.

[@EndingSimple]

In all that has been going on, did anybody notice how John Barnes novel Kaleidoscope Century and his Daybreak series (Directive 51, Daybreak Zero, and The Last President) basically predicted this wolk business. These works are about human being's minds being inexplicably taken over by concepts that cause them to destroy their own civilization. Feels like I'm living his novels.

[@Br1cht]

*Chuckles smugly*

[@LocnavLivoc]

8:40 "widowing my elderly mother for the third time"... three dead husbands???... FBI ! open up!!!

[@scotbayless]

I qualified for SFWA membership in 2013, but declined to seek it. Even then, the trajectory was clear. So I have a question, Jon. Might it be time to create a new professional organization? A real one? With meaningful and objective, standards? One that actually helps writers succeed? Just a thought...

[@johneagle4384]

Gosh....everything is garbage now. I guess if one mentions Simak to these people, they will have a blank stare in their face. But, this whole affair started quiet a long time. The Hugos and Nebulas prizes have been crap for more than two decades. Most of the time, when I get something to read these days, I feel like vomiting.

[@carltaylor6452]

You've probably got enough on your plate across the pond there in the US, but not dissimilar things are happening with the Society of Authors here in the UK. It's not a body confined to a particular genre. Culture wars issues like transgenderism and Gaza have caused splits within the SoA, authors have been let down over free speech issues, others have resigned because they didn't get their own way, etc. Publishing is quietly and not so quietly slowly destroying itself because of Woke/Social Justice activism.

[@peto453]

Karma is so nice, while they are eating each other and falling apart you and your projects are still going and doing good, btw will check and support you 😊

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

Let's try this again because the 'tubes wants this to not be seen. (It is really not normal for the word "America" to be taken out of the names of organizations. What other place in the entire world can organizations like these be formed?)

[@Dark_Snider]

Yup! I thought the same thing. Should be called " The Leftist Cultist Communist Organization for Alphabet & Race Hustling Writers Organization "

[@cwhawes]

The best thing is just write your books and forget these idiots. The readers are what the writer should focus on. If you have a supportive reader base they are what count.

[@Nebarus]

Wokentology is a cult!

[@squigburger]

Another org that are more woke clubs than actually do anything useful.

[@patrickstewart3446]

Famous last words: “Let’s appoint a feminist president/CEO! That’ll get us more members/customers!”

[@blainepardoe4758]

It's a club that achieves nothing for its members.

[@Hedgewisekat]

I can't say for sure now ( because I got blacklisted out of the 'community' for various reasons) but it did have a lot of 'secret' advantages for some of its members. One of the first arguments I had with SFWA (when you made a negative comment 20 years ago they'd send a mob of veterans out) involved an arrangement whereby they could fix a loyalist's membership qualifications by getting them published in specially produced zines or short story compilations. At first I just thought the people concerned hadn't realised that what they were doing could be interpreted as unfair... and then the guy in charge of the project (a senior in the club with his publishing credits rather old and few) informed me that he wouldn't have me suck his **** and a bunch of other writers (many of them women - one of whose books I had been fond of) jumped in to tell me I was harrassing this person. Now that there seem to be fewer differences of opinion allowed, I would assume that it's only got worse than it was. But I also bet there's still a lot of seniors using their juniors as unpaid interns etc

[@partygrove5321]

When ratchets are involved, embezzlement and assaults are the norm.

[@hammertronactionfigures2426]

Time 6:28 Who would evn want to goin this organization anyway? Why pay money to a bunch of weird "people" that would exercise undue authority and power over someone? Why even try to join an organization that can make up the rules as they go along and follow the rules as they wish anyway?

[@yaelz6043]

The genre popular in society, especially amongst children, decides thst country's future. China and Japan got to where they are by pushing science fiction, they took every scrap of it they could get their hands on as they industrialised.

[@MMCUSN]

When's that last time we had a Sci Fi movie that wasn't filled with woke wahmen crap?

[@jasontodd8071]

Deadpool and Wolverine is the closest!

[@JKC40]

By the time i realized i was eligible for an SFWA membership, i was completely disinterested in joining.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

Back in the day, Lord of The Rings was considered Science Fiction, because there was no distinction between types. There was no fantasy, no hard science fiction, no space opera, it was all Science Fiction. We really do love putting things into boxes and labelling them don't we?

[@russ254]

back in what day?

[@melanimatejak6821]

I don't know, but as far I know, Lord of the Rings was never considered Science Fiction. Absolutely nothing scientific about it.

[@epobirs]

What day was this? Nobody called 'Lord of the Rings' SF in the 70s, which is the earliest I can draw any first hand observation.. The division between SF and fantasy was well understood then and would take less than a paragraph to explain to somebody in 1940.

[@fredgalvin9098]

Back in the day, Science Fiction and Science Fantasy were considered subspecies of Fantasy, and the big divide was between Fantasy and Mundania. Fandom was ruled by organizations such as the sprawling NFFF (National Fantasy Fan Federation) and the elite FAPA (Fantasy Amateur Press Association). "The Lord of the Rings" was never considered science fiction.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

@@russ254 The 1950s, it was around that time we started delineating various genres.

[@captiveamerica1776]

I know you keep saying SFWA but I keep hearing syphilis!!! Which kinda fits, too! LOL

[@Roukle]

The two big writing guilds also funnel writers to the five big publishers, which is bad for writers b/c they can get much better support from the thousands of smaller publishing houses the guilds pretend don't exist.

[@celtwarrior7851]

Fantasy writers too lazy to have their own association.🤣

[@cristitanase6130]

Sadly what happens today in US reminds me of the past times here in Eastern Europe. Yeap, the communist times and all the "commissions" and "unions" and "clubs" that authors had to be in before even dreaming of publishing a letter. We got those too. Local, regional, national, small and big, and each of them ruled by a bunch of the most abject talentless hacks you can imagine all of them leeching on the back of the young authors. The corruption was staggering, on both ends. They stole from the higher echelons and the state and they still demanded bribes and favors from the ones that actually worked, the writers and the authors. I remember joining such a "union" after the fall of communism, and shockingly discovering the same mentalities, the same people, the same talentless hacks ruling over everyone else. I gave up in a few months and never looked back. Decades later, I'm watching the "capitalist capital of the world" slowly turning into a joke. And guess what? I even know why! US imported a ton of former commies, and I don't mean die hard communists that loved the system. No. They imported people that were formed by communist systems and that cannot function in an open market economy. They need, they depend on a system of corruption, nepotism, favoritism and bribes that they mask behind some kind of "union" "association" you name it. These people cannot exist outside such systems. I mean they can, but they won't be as rich or have as much power. So US and the West kind of messed it up big time by importing the disease. Former communists are now teaching your kids in schools, they already spawned a new generation of activists that are replacing them as teachers and so on. Now the infection reached each and every single institution in US and soon enough, without a drastic reform, it will keep leeching on the system to the point of collapse.

[@yaelz6043]

Wrong on all counts as always. The capitalist west pushed these types in the USSR. There was no liberal agenda there, nor is there one in China, not unless you count those who work for the west to bring it down.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Given the Inflation they should actualy raise the threshold to keep the professional Standard.

[@JabelldiMarco]

Interesting. But keeping out Fantasy, seriously? Besides Science-Fantasy like Star Wars, Shadowrun, Warhammer 40k, etc. there are a lot of books where Dragons turn out to be genetically engineered, magic PSI or high tech, gods computers, mage, werewolfs, ghosts or elves aliens, an so on.

[@JonDelArroz]

Letting in fantasy was a ruse to let in romance authors. You can see the SFWA trend historically as the demographics changed because of it. It's pretty fascinating.

[@suburbanbanshee]

Well, romance authors used to make money, and it is always nice to have people with income. But.

[@WarDog793]

Exactly. Many classic SF authors (who did know their science) also wrote fantasy, and they were great at that. Poul Anderson for one, and it's funny how many think McCaffrey's Pern series is fantasy (which it's not.) Considering the history of the genre and who wrote it, I don't fantasy being included in the SFWA (or is it SFFWA now? That would seem more appropriate.

[@rottenmeat5934]

I know Cat Rambo from MUD she used to administrate off and on. Wouldn’t surprise me if most of her stories were lifted from there.

[@MementoMorituri]

I'd hate to think what has happened to workshops like Clarion, Clarion West, and Odyssey. You know the virus has screwed that up too.

[@JTRemillard]

People are tired of the propaganda disguised as entertainment. It’s boring and preachy.

[@dwwolf4636]

Yep religious fanatics. Turns out trying to transcend reality doesn't work.

[@dogman9223]

Isn’t this the group that Patrick Tomlinson is a part of, or is that a different one?

[@KarmaLyser]

They started turning to crap when Bailey was the President, tbh.

[@ciscornBIG]

Why do leftists do this to us?

[@rev.markcarrier1894]

Science fiction began to die in the 1970’s with Star Wars, which had the effect of created a tidal wave of demand for cheap space opera and fantasy at the expense of hard science fiction. Some might argue that super-fan and agent Forrest Ackerman played a role in its decline by clinging the term sci-fi. It was definitely dead as a viable genre by the early nineties.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

I wonder if there is any chance that we on the outside looking in could start our own printing houses? I am writing, purely amateur, but I have considered just establishing a web page and putting my work on the Internet. I don't need money, I'm fine. I just would like my work to survive me.. I don't want it still- born on a flash drive when I laying in my grave. We need to find a way to unite. Christians, especially... look beyond our differences and help one another during a deepening crisis. We need to create a culture and economy of our own. I think we are going into a Roman type persecution era... maybe, not literally bloody, but what is worse, dying physically or being denied the right to make a living? I'm a Gnostic Christian, and therefore, considered a heretic but would gladly help my fellow Christians, if I could. And, not only Christians, but conservatives and independents, any one who hasn't been infected by this mind virus. (does anyone else feel like a character in a particularly sick science fiction invasion novel? I feel distinctly like I am a character in a end times novel! Now all we need is an asteroid collision and a nuclear war? The aliens can appear and explain that they have infected over half of mankind?) Are there other exiled writers... unacceptable to this new Inquisition? Are any of them trying to find ways to publish outside of the old mainstream?

[@lloydtancred]

That’s weird, new channel or did I just resubbed?

[@JonDelArroz]

It must have fallen off KZbin is weird

[@jonathan2404]

You shouldn't always introduce yourself as 'award winning' and all that.. It's about as far away from HUMBLE as one can get, and comes off as desperate and arrogant a little. I like yiu and am subscribed, so I say this to let you know as a F. Y. I... You make yourself sound like THEM when constantly introducing yourself as so much better then them.. You know what I mean. We know, so you dint have to beat us over the head with it at the risk of sounding exactly like those whom you disparage. Cheers..

[@bartlester591]

I wonder if jeffe is related to Kathy that would be interesting

[@BasementPepperoni]

They screwed up my lawsuit against the stalkers, and therefore won't be enjoying Prison, smfh.

[@JonDelArroz]

They will only be enjoying prison in your delusions, stalker.