What to make of Belichick not being hired? | NFL | SPEAK

[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@fasteddy3336]

Before Andy Reed started winning Super Bowls, they said he couldn’t win the big game go back to all those Eagles years!

[@deciuswtasby]

Preach. That’s 100% what they said

[@dennismagee9555]

But he went though how many Coaches took two different teams to the Super Bowl??? He kept going to NFC championship games. Two different teams not many coaches can say that??

[@dexterhunter8907]

Big Red Had Success with Many different QBs Not Just Patrick Mahommes. He didnt win the Superbowl but he was WINNING!

[@lastgiddon]

@@dexterhunter8907What was he winning though? Divisional and Conference are nice but no one remembers them. SB is the real deal, any trophy outside that is a red herring nothing more.

[@avi5705]

andy winning was 65% winning without mahomes....playoff record without mahomes 12-13......Bill is a flat-out looser coach without Brady.

[@DAndreFalcon]

🤔When he let a defensive coordinator be offensive coordinator I was done!

[@redogre3395]

He let Mat Patricia be the offensive coordinator lmao.

[@rodneythomas851]

Yall saying like Brady came in as a goat

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@rodneythomas851Then if he supposedly developed Tom Brady then how come he couldn’t develop Mac Jones and Mac Jones was a higher draft pick than Tom Brady

[@fatpatlives1998]

​@@jakieresykes3644Brady took time to be developed the defense carried the team the first 3 years by 2004 Brady took charge

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@fatpatlives1998 The how come he couldn’t develop Mac Jones Bill Belichick has a losing record as Head Coach without Tom Brady

[@jasonceravone777]

She got a point. The man did draft, develop, then hire mentor and develop his own replacement.

[@BTOcurly]

That Andy Reid comment hurted shady at the end 😭😭

[@Carson-u5i]

Good. Andy can take it. Shady 😢isnt Andy.

[@ericbanks9286]

You can tell shady wanted smoke after that comment 😂😂💪🏿

[@Defyeler]

Belichick went 5-11 his first year as Patriots HC, with the highest-paid QB at the time in Bledsoe, and most of the same defensive players. They were .500 (2-2) before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady went into the game against the Jets. Again with that same defense in the first 4 games. The winning started with Brady as the starting QB and ended when Brady left. It's quite simple.

[@mashedpotato982]

Amen

[@SlugSage]

Do you not remember the conversation people were having about Tom Brady early on when people were accusing him of being a bus driver?

[@ACE-Fast29]

​@PingingYou ya that was when ppl didn't know who he really was. TB12 won 7 and 1 without Bill in his mid 40s. Bills style of coaching worked because of Tom Brady.

[@brentinnes5151]

I know it

[@SlugSage]

@@ACE-Fast29 so why wasn't this big baller at Michigan come on man. Tom developed into the goat He didn't come in as this highly touted talent.

[@kingxavierlovely]

the producers are hilarious lmaooooo “look at yall faces now” *solo shot of joy and james’ faces* 😂😂

[@Kenny49ERS]

If you were old-school, you’d know, you had no choice, but to be yelled at

[@randydaytona5615]

My coach yelled at me way more than my dad ever did

[@ambientsounds5832]

f bombs and everything. i was in the 7th grade lol@@randydaytona5615

[@billkerns9258]

I caught that too. I guess what we define as "old school" depends on our generation. She's Millennial Generation. I'm Gen X. To my Gen X ears, the phrase "I'm old school, I don't like to be yelled at" in a sports context sounded really off. To a Gen Xer, yelling used to be part of the road. But maybe that's different for Millennials.

[@LKS-M9323]

The entire narrative on Bill is ridiculous. To delete a guys success because he had Tom Brady for 20 years is absolutely idiotic. The bulk of his career is with Tom , to delete 20 years and judge a guy off the rest Is dumb. Also Tom and Belichick both lost with the Pat's Tom's last 2 years. Now all the sudden Bill became a lost wirhout Tom 🙄🙄🙄

[@billkerns9258]

@@LKS-M9323 Agreed. I view that whole debate as generational too, and the way we talk of sports in general has changed. I know I make myself sound old - Gen X, born in the middle of the 1970s. I have not bothered to look up the ages of all panelists, but I'm guessing that they are all Millennial Generation. I admit to watching clips at times for entertainment (after all, I am making this comment) but the show often lacks a sense of historical context and nuance. I don't recall Bill Walsh being denigrated because he had Montana, Jerry Rice, and other Hall of Famers. Chuck Noll experienced some really down years in the 1980s (decreased talent, bad drafts including infamously passing on Dan Marino and to Noll's credit he owned up to his share of responsibility in the bad decision). But I don't recall a narrative of dissing Noll because of the large amount of Hall of Famers on the Steelers during the dynasty era. Noll was far more old school than any of these panelists. Similar things being said in this discussion could have been said of Noll in the late 1980s and early 1990s (and a 35-year-old Bradshaw may have said far worse about Noll than Shady said of Belichick if given today's level of discourse), but Noll can still be treated with respect.

[@darrinelliot.]

Shout outs to the A cam operator on set for the close ups @ 9:02 Shady has me crying 😭

[@ahmedegal6808]

loooooool

[@usopenitentiary]

Shady getting louder during the argument doesn’t make him 100% right

[@truth2219]

He’s 1000% correct here. No Tom = No winning. Tom left and won a chip , that right there showed it all, it was all Tom

[@deciuswtasby]

@@truth2219Tom went to a stacked team. If it was all Tom why did he choke and lose to Eli 2x if it’s all Tom. Why didn’t he inspire the defense or offense. I guess Tom stopped the rams 2x on defense too huh…teams win titles with great players at key spots. Brady is the goat but “ALL” Tom I stupid

[@usopenitentiary]

@@truth2219 he’s not 1000% correct. Bill’s defenses played a major part in those championship runs. Those defenses locked down multiple top 10 offenses including the Greatest Show On Turf to even give them chances to win championships. It wasn’t all Tom, whatsoever.

[@HardCold-Alquan]

@@deciuswtasby no one said the bucs were super bowl bound before brady got there. in those 3 ne losses, brady did all that he was supposed to do, but the defense came up short. that top ten defense you haters claim did it all, even though they changed but tom remained.

[@taysavage2.016]

He's right though

[@warrenjohn1307]

This segment was all over the place. What was the question again?

[@michaelmccullum6175]

That's why Saban left, it's a young man's game now

[@brentinnes5151]

exactly, its called quit when your ahead...Saban's legacy is not tainted..2 yards from winning his last champ....he walked away, thats very hard to do..bill couldnt do it...too greedy, wanted record..he looks real bad now

[@sethchandler4170]

Lol no. Saban left because the NIL killed his stranglehold on getting the best players. He's an average coach and was going to get exposed. That's why he left. Harbaugh used NFL coordinators to beat teams with superior talent. Without superior talent Saban was in big trouble.

[@Shanelame3452]

Nah he left because he lost a lot of power to NIL. He can’t hog all the good players anymore

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@sethchandler4170But once he retired the players started leaving

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@Shanelame3452But once he retired the players started leaving

[@Ariestotle16]

I feel like this is the most heated segment i've seen on here over the past few months. Was interesting to see Joy strongly disagree with Shady for a chance

[@willsportz]

this is the 1st time I've ever seen joy and shady disagree that adamantly

[@stunnamrsports]

Ikr i SUSPECT they a couple on the LOW😊

[@thegreatone5355]

Right!

[@Billfish57]

News Flash, it's a script, all written and rehearsed just like all of these "reality" shows about sports personalties. It's a soap opera that sells other stuff like fake hair, fake nails and tons of make up. It's all fake news these days, they leave nothing to chance. You won't see a show where they all agree on anything, it's pretend, or fake reality. Watch it for what it is, it's funnier that way, same with the regular "news".

[@scottyh1509]

Wow, this group works well together. Excellent NFL arguments and insights. No mention of Bill's guilt in the taping scandal in 2007. The NFL found the evidence and destroyed it all, gave them the biggest fine allowed and took away key draft picks. Arguably the worst scandal in NFL history (that we know about). This needs to be remembered and it tarnishes his legacy.

[@joelpolanco731]

Bill has a flip phone.

[@Phattyfatfat]

What you mean? He has a Nokia brick phone ha!

[@JayJay-sk3iu]

“The jig is up!” 🤣

[@jasonc2407]

🤣🤣🤣

[@play030]

We see you 🤡

[@SoloDeus_Rey]

Say it again in Tom Brady’s voice😂

[@Truthseekerzx]

This is why I love this show

[@zebtookak8670]

Joy got Acho near the end. That made me laugh

[@Drewswaggy]

His achievements, stature, and resume in totality makes teams not want him.

[@billydrucker-mn6ez]

Rex and Shady together in the hot tub……..dayummm..that image gonna be in my brain for weeks…thanks Shady…😂😂😂😂🏈🏈🏈

[@faizelwales]

So he got a peep at shady's feet😂😂😂

[@reconstructionwouldhavesav9472]

"I've been in this business since 2007" -Joy Taylor 😅

[@datchicobeartv]

The show gets real good when you get Mr Crazy Work heated

[@kalibocas]

I like them together! And Joy holds her own. Best female Sports Analyst on TV.

[@paulleach5841]

1st off i am Raiders fan since 1973. I am with Joy and James plain and simple. It was Coach Bill Belichik, His Coaches , Tom Brady the Offenses, Special Teams,Defense and practice players that won those Championships.

[@sonikspeed19]

And the waterboy and the cheerleaders and the owner and and and. If you wanna be literal about it sure. But we're talking big picture, who made the most difference. It was TB12. Bill I think gets like 15% of the credit cause he did teach defenses and he trained people hard, but he also bend/broke the rules a lot and made life miserable for the players and cut good players early despite Tom giving back money. He said himself, he could make the best game plan ever, but the players are the ones that execute it.

[@deciuswtasby]

@@sonikspeed19how does he get 15% when Tom doesn’t coach any other position or play any other position 🤔

[@sonikspeed19]

@@deciuswtasby Again, it's big picture, Brady vs Bill. Of course other players matter, but nobody talks about Mahomes' left tackle or his safety, or his waterboy. They walk about the QB and the Coach who are the main leaders of the team usually. So between them, Brady 85% and Bill 15%.

[@juliecrenshaw-on6uj]

​@@deciuswtasbyExplain why without Tom Brady he's a losing coach!!!!

[@cclark2021]

​@@juliecrenshaw-on6ujand TB12 went to another team, HC, conference and won another SB.

[@CJ-ji3de]

Really good segment bruh! Lol😂

[@Redeye_Ent]

Shady my dawg love the honesty man. No tells it like him

[@jermainee26]

He’s a hater bruh. How was Bill “never that good” yeah yall say anything

[@user-ju7gh5ed8e]

Gonna miss James Jones when football is over. Most likely Slick Ric will take his place for basketball

[@luisc5323]

I hope not. He’s never had good chemistry but Fox still throws em in there for diversity lol

[@jamesrippy1161]

The last three seasons showed everybody what kind of coach and general manager Bill Belichick really is

[@ONGEES]

Exactly! From Cam Newton to Mac Jones. He had time to show us who he was and look at the results.

[@redogre3395]

He really let Matt Patricia be the offensive coordinator of Mac Jones 🤣

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

That was his ego and pride but he’s still the GOAT HEAD COACH

[@antoniokehoe2363]

That's ridiculous.... It's been 3 seasons... Everybody conveniently forgets that MULTIPLE players left when Tom left, it wasn't just Tom Brady who left or retired. Also everyone loves to forget that in these 3 years the division got significantly better between the Bills and Dolphins as well... The AFC East was a joke for number of years.... Then Tom goes to the NFC South, also a joke of a division and wins in the worst division in football at the time. There were numerous top 5 to top 10 defenses in those 20+ years and that's not on Tom. The drafting and development of players was not on Tom, quit with the nonsense. I am a Raiders fan and hate the Patriots but to say it was all Tom is crazy talk.

[@antoniokehoe2363]

​@@provisionalhypothesisI wouldn't say he is a system QB... Not sure where you got that. This conversation is about Bill and how it's nonsense to say everything was due to Tom when that's 1 phase out of 3 phases of the game. To act as though the Top 5 defenses which Bill put together had nothing to do with winning and it was Tom is crazy.

[@TragicENZO]

Great debate! This is why this show is the best! Real passion, real debate worry topics, and absolute experts at their craft.. Bravo 🔥 👏🏼

[@rodgerbarbour]

Go get’em Shady

[@cooltech73]

BB made TB12, together they were UNBELIEVABLE. Period. That was the best 20yrs of the PATRIOTS DYNASTY. Now its time for new cats to take over.

[@boki424]

What makes Andy Reid special is he's been able to win, get in the playoffs, conference championships, and a SB without Mahomes ... McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith. He's also always been a player's coach, even before it became the norm in the NFL. Belichic's old style coaching doesn't connect younger players.

[@SteveJones-gz3nd]

Yea but Mcnabb was a good QB, same as Vick. It wasn’t like he was coaching mediocre QBs

[@boki424]

@@SteveJones-gz3nd agree, but he also got lesser QBs to play at a higher level. It's a gift he has.

[@SteveJones-gz3nd]

@@boki424 what lesser QBs are you talking about? And what makes one QB better than another? But I disagree that Reid had lesser QBs. I mean if you’re going to go that route, although the Chiefs won, didn’t the Ravens D shut Maholmes down in the second half?

[@MrSmellGoodt]

I appreciate the real heated debates

[@therealist2798]

Belichick is too intimidating for most NFL teams...and Belichick demands total control...Belichick is past his time and is not a desirable leader anymore. HIRING BELICHICK TO COACH YOUR FOOTBALL TEAM IS LIKE HIRING BOBBY KNIGHT TO COACH BASKETBALL IN THIS ERA.🤔

[@deciuswtasby]

Well said

[@dlb1841]

Brady was a game manager his first three super bowls. He developed over time into the Brady we know. In fact, the patriots defense and special teams out scored the offense during the run up to that first Super Bowl. Those pats defenses were phenomenal. Brady needed him as much as he needed Brady

[@antonchigurh7227]

Game manager? Can you be any more casual? The only reason The Pats won the SB over Carolina in 2003 was because of Brady. He carried Belichicks horrendous defense in that game on his shoulders (Care For Details?) Game manager? > In Brady's 2nd season he led the NFL in TD's and was 3rd in passing yards and the only reason the Pats missed the playoffs in 2002 was because of Belichicks horrible defense. In 2004 Brady was a 1st team Pro Bowler. He threw for more TD's against Philly in that SB than Mahomes did in his first 2 SB's combined. You tried but you failed miserably

[@spazloc0213]

​@@antonchigurh7227💯💯💯

[@marvshirk6302]

​@@antonchigurh7227so when they got brady at the 199th pick u said that's the goat right there 😅 be no tom without Bill

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

@@marvshirk6302 Hey lifetime idiot Brady was sensational his 2 starting years in Michigan *19-4* . Problem was he was 6'4 and 175 lbs and couldn't run in an era where no one thought he could stand up to the punishment in the NFL. That's why he was drafted late. And how was Bill Belichick before Brady you ask???? Bill Belichicks Resume ⬇without Tom Brady 1991 out of playoffs 1992 out of playoffs 1993 out of playoffs 1995 out of playoffs 2000 out of playoffs 2001 (0-2) After Brady Week 3 > *14-3* 2008 out of playoffs 2020 out of playoffs 2022 out of playoffs 2023 out of playoffs A horrendous *.437 Win%* in 140 games without Brady > Sample size = 8.5 seasons 1 playoff win in 10 full seasons without Brady (Wild Card) Try and get around that you dork

[@NathanDean79]

Shady your messiah Andy Reid is 66. Bellicheck is 70. Not a big differance. And Bill Bellicheck has 8 super bowls not 6. He has 2 as the Defensive Coordinator of the New York Giants. Let me ask you this. What are the odds that 1 coach would at 2 separate times in his career with 2 separate teams coach the Best Offensive player in the history of the game AND the best defensive player in the history of the game?? The odds are astronomical!! Bellicheck coached Tom Brady. He drafted him and he developed him. Bill Bellicheck also coached Lawrence Taylor for a decade. The most dominant pass rusher to ever play the game. Think about that.

[@MatthewBretton-cu2el]

Really got point re Taylor

[@samidavis3146]

Correct me if I’m wrong but when Bill coached a team without LT and TB12 what was his record? Yelp, the answer is average

[@gregreongreen9176]

@@samidavis3146how many coaches win without great talent 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@VonAllenSports]

If Belichick made it known that he's looking to be a HC but not GM, some teams would fire their guys to get him. If Belichick made it known that he's looking to be just a DC, every DC in the league should call their real estate agent. It's the overall GM and Presidential powers that is keeping teams from hiring him. The word is out on his ability to build a program. And these owners talk to each other, are all friends. You know Kraft didn't give a glowing reference for Bill, seeing how Bill treated Kraft like a child and ignored him quite a bit. And there's no way Kraft wants to see Bill succeed like he had to watch Brady. Bill's own stubbornness is stopping him. He wants total control. And frankly, this is karma from trying to push out the greatest QB in NFL history. Ego is one of the greatest killers of legacy.

[@BigMilt8]

Ummmm, Andy Reid didn't win a Championship until Pat Mahomes showed up. So is Andy Reid the new BB?

[@yinyang4691]

andy reid had multiple winning seasons without Pat, that the difference

[@deciuswtasby]

@@yinyang4691he didn’t win it all 🤷🏾‍♂️. Lots of coaches win games….but it took him getting a generational talent to break through……All great coaches have had a great QB….

[@CEOTonez]

I've been watching the NFL since 83' we never thought Reid was a Top Tier Coach, Mahomes made him get there. Bill is the GOAT of coaches

[@GORILLA_PIMP]

Yeah basically Reid never won a sb WITHOUT mahomes and he never will so yeah he basically is belicheck

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@yinyang4691That don’t mean sh** did Andy Reid win a Super Bowl before he got with Patrick Mahomes?

[@David-j9h9g]

nobody attacks andy reid for not winning without Mahomes!!!!! Remember Alex?????

[@tmc31390]

I remember that 28 point lead they choked away in that wild card game a ten years ago

[@AmirKhan-yv8jm]

And Donovan!

[@chriscrossnjump]

When joy looked at acho and used his government name. Don’t be actin dumb In moms house lmao

[@420scene]

Don’t forget, he was a GREAT defensive coordinator for the Giants under Bill Parcells and helped take them to TWO super bowls but nobody talked about that. I get it that a DC is different than a HC but you still can’t not credit those accomplishments.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

Joy and them are so tired of shady yelling and ranting over everyone ….

[@HardCold-Alquan]

lol

[@thedoc2398]

Shady is wrong in so many way. Brand was a late-round pick. Brady is Brady because he was coached by bill. brady allowed Bill's philosophy not to rub everyone the wrong way, which allowed them to win. but without that philosophy as well, Brady wouldnt be Brady. in that logical either they are equally responsible or bill is slightly high. Bill would still be a good NFL coach, Brady might have been a life time backup.

[@inuyashafreak6393]

So you forgot Brady legit left after one season and won a chip with the Bucs with Bruce Arians as his coach but that credit went to Belichick right? So how did Brady win in Tampa if it was the Patriot way when all the NFL greats like Shay Sharpe stated it was Tom's way and it was never the Patriot way

[@MikeHarvey-ol7xr]

Bill absolutely coached up the GOAT, just can't coach up any other QB and has a coaching stump. 😂

[@thedoc2398]

@@inuyashafreak6393 Brady won in Tampa because he got to spend 20years with bill. Brady is talented, you can't achieve what he achieved without being great, but let's not get it twisted, I doubt he would be the "GOAT" without bill

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@thedoc2398Then How come he has a losing record without Tom Brady

[@goldenboy8964]

2nd best sports show after undisputed.. really like 1A and 1B

[@Focused2828]

He won as a Defensive Coordinator too. I can’t believe people can’t just give dude his flowers.

[@Stan-gu4qz]

Yeah, those first SBs with the Giants don't happen without him especially the one where they neutralized a high powered Bills Offense.

[@AmirKhan-yv8jm]

He had LT and TB12!

[@Focused2828]

@@AmirKhan-yv8jm yes you need players to coach

[@jackcurvin9769]

No one seems to be addressing the fact that it was a combination of coaching player that is rarely seen. We're seeing it again now with andy read and patrick may hold

[@ItsArchieYo]

When Shady gets in his hating bag he doubles down 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ManUntdForever]

It’s awful to watch. I’m surprised the execs haven’t spoken to him to tone it down.

[@ItsArchieYo]

@@ManUntdForever he says it’s not disrespectful but it def is, and seems personal. And I’m a colts fan that hates the patriots 😂

[@truth2219]

He not wrong about a single thing he said about Bill….

[@ManUntdForever]

@@ItsArchieYo right?! Makes you wonder if Bill passed on signing him or something lol

[@ItsArchieYo]

@@truth2219 to say a 6 time Super Bowl winning coach is a loser is wild. I don’t care who you got on your roster

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Man was caught and fined for cheating 8 times, as recently as 2022. In a game of seconds & inches that made a difference.

[@Overthinker_1710]

Shady keeps Andies 🧆 in his mouth

[@truth2219]

It’s called respect

[@HardCold-Alquan]

what is that emoji?

[@concepcionledezma5027]

Don't forget that Don Shula went to the Super Bowl with a quarterback named David Woodley.

[@eddievangundy4510]

McCoy clown. Belichick took the Browns with Vinny Testaverde to the playoffs and they would have gone repeatedly if Modell hadn't decided to move the team. I also thought he had some off-the-field issues, Mccoy.

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

Wow one playoff win in 5 years as a Browns coach. Everything you wrote can easily be debunked. Belichick was 5-11 in his last season in Cleveland and it had nothing to do with Modell leaving. Ya sure he could have taken them repeatedly I was brought up where if you have an opinion on something always ask yourself how well you would do in a Court of Law with that opinion ... Bill Belichick as a head coach in the NFL without Brady (Resume) ⤵ 1991 out of playoffs 1992 out of playoffs 1993 out of playoffs 1995 out of playoffs 2000 out of playoffs 2001 (0-2) After Brady Week 3 - (14-3) 2008 out of playoffs 2020 out of playoffs 2022 out of playoffs 2023 out of playoffs .437 Win% in 140 games without Brady > Sample size = 8.5 seasons Only 1 playoff win , Wild Card (10 full seasons) without Brady That's a damning forensic record. Brady without Belichick > SB winner/SB MVP 14,600 yards passing and 110 TD's (Best in the NFL) over 3 season in Tampa at ages 43-45 And I'm Derek Jeter in the on deck circle just getting warmed up Wanna Play With Me?

[@kylepeck776]

Everyone's forgetting all the defensive players he's crafted lately. Kyle Van Noy, Josh Uche, Christian Gonzalez, Cody Davis and Cody Davis, Jonathon and Jack Jones, Marcus Jones. He hasnt been good offensively yes, Demario is his only good one post-Brady. But its better than half the coaches that have jobs right now.

[@moving9071]

Shady is being disingenuous af here and getting louder about it doesn't make it any better. He's supposed to be an analyst but any casual can point to W/L and go off. Everyone else is trying to force some nuance into the discussion and he's too salty to accept it so he just starts yelling.

[@sethchandler4170]

What nuance?

[@redogre3395]

He's right tho. STOP IT.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@redogre3395What is he right about though?

[@goldiilockzz7556]

⁠@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mBilly Bob was under .500 before Brady and is again under .500 after him. Brady then leaves and win another SuperBowl without him.

[@FaceFamous]

​@@goldiilockzz7556You left out so much info you sound like Shady. Leaving out everything important. You just looked at W L..and missed on all the stuff Joy and James were trying to say. But Shady being Shady knew it and kept cutting them off

[@VanGl0rious]

Shady is so salty. You couldn’t beat them when you was in the division.

[@justthings6405]

Because Brady was there. That is exactly Shady's point.

[@Oceanz08]

It took Reid a long time to win a SB. Plus, head coach's don't win 6 SB by accident 😆

[@123shoshan]

Belichick can’t even get to 500 without Brady Reid is 30 games over 500 without mahomes

[@jeanfourcade]

No. Nor do they utterly flunk their last 3 seasons, choices of OC and DC, and drafts by accident.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@123shoshanBelichick won 2 Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator before Tom what was Andy Reid doing before Mahomes?

[@GORILLA_PIMP]

​@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Choking/getting upset in the playoffs alot And sometimes not even MAKING the playoffs

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@GORILLA_PIMPDoesn’t Bill Belichick has a losing record as a Head Coach without Tom Brady

[@freddorton1425]

"Stop me if I'm wrong!" *Tries to speak up* "I'm speaking. Let me go, let me go." 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnroberts1141]

Shady dropping truth bombs.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

If Shady is right how come Tom Brady only went to one Super Bowl without Belichick?

[@SP-ej4kd]

Because the defense broke down and kupp got open.

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mHow come Bill Belichick has a losing record as a Head Coach without Tom Brady

[@hamdijabajric556]

Joy is just so fine for no reason

[@KorraMyDawg94]

That’s a makeup face

[@bulliongrowernz1975]

Joy nailed it !!! Right to the point.....Ooooold

[@brentinnes5151]

yeah...know when to walk away...just like Saban

[@alumsey4013]

Shady can’t keep up with the conversation. 😂

[@craigjohnson8124]

The Bromance with Acho & Shady makes this show hard to watch….aside from Shady literally talking over everyone

[@stunnamrsports]

PAUSE!😂

[@Esco-lq4rb]

I'm always surprised when he doesn't mention that Shady was the Eagles leading rusher

[@universoullifebalance]

Shady Gave Bill that work! 😂😂😂

[@deciuswtasby]

That’s because bills teams gave him that work which is why he won 2 SBs on the bench

[@universoullifebalance]

@@deciuswtasbyBill ain’t 💩 without the Goat 🐐 TB12 ! Thats was Tom Work! Thats why he the untouchable Goat 🐐!

[@deciuswtasby]

@@universoullifebalancethen if it’s only Tom why did they lose to Eli 2x and go 8 years with no SB appearances 🤷🏾‍♂️….teams win titles…..Tom still the goat but to say it’s “only” Tom is silly

[@universoullifebalance]

@@deciuswtasby no where did I say “only” Tom smh .. READ my friend it’s fundamental.. of course a great Oline and good defense helped but Tom is by far the MAIN reason, then Defense, then Oline , THEN Bill.. Bill is a glorified Defensive coordinator.. Tom’s leadership makes any coach better

[@deciuswtasby]

@@universoullifebalanceif what you say was true he would have 10 SBs…..why didn’t it make them Score more than 20 points against the giants 2x….why didn’t it make the DBs stop the eagles Backup QB….you can’t say “his leadership” but they still lose when he’s there….

[@markkettner9246]

Joy is wrong . I'm talking about how bad BB is without Brady

[@blackanimelover18]

Like Joy said, BB may be too old for the new game and without an All Pro QB you can't run things like you did in the 2000s or even 2010s. That being said, Shady and Acho are being mega disrespectful. Brady NEVER won a ring without a good defense, in fact he had a SB run where he threw 1 TD throughout the entire playoffs. Bill also drafted and developed several all pros and hall of famers on defense.

[@damianpresha9833]

You expect these clowns in suits to be tasteful ?

[@sterlingcunningham2399]

Look at the facts…BB teams are mediocre at best without TB12… idk how you can sugar coat facts lol

[@jamesrippy1161]

Exactly Defense his draft draft and personnel choices on offense for 20 years with the exception of a few shooting stars here and there was horrendous

[@DudeTastic13]

This is one of the few times I agree with Joy. Man football is such a team game. You need good coaches up and down the food chain to win, aside from having generational players like Brady. BB like you said, built that NE defense, and most times Tom is just being asked to "manage" the game. So you see a lot of boring 21-17, 17-14 games, where NE's games barely scratch 40 points combined. BB manages the D, manages the clock, squeeze every possession (that's why you hear NE coaches scoffing at people reaching for the endzone Re: Zay Flowers). Although to Tom's credit, when he's asked to come from behind, he's more clutch than not. BB did have some ego, did think he could win without Brady, and did find out the hard way. But does that make him a bad coach? No it doesn't. But to today's NFL offense driven, you can't hit players like before as a D, you have to have those innovators on offense. That's why they are going young. The "Patriot Way" is so 10 years ago. These young guys don't know what winning takes. Which also means, if you can build a dynasty like KC, or the up and coming SF, you can probably win a lot more. Because teams are now selfish, undisciplined, badly coached, as players get more and more power. So they all go together. BB at the end is just a victim of his time ... I think if someone's interested at Steve Wilks as a head coach, I definitely wouldn't mind having BB as the 49ers' D coordinator. I don't think for a second Shanahan's ego's too big for that.

[@damianpresha9833]

@@sterlingcunningham2399 The team still made the playoffs after Tom left with Mac Jones. The team fell off after retirements on defense and no perimeter threat or dynamic TE.

[@1timetoliveright]

Its crazy to bring up how old school coaching may not work for the new generation, but the last I checked, the military still operates the same way. The military doesn't soften its style. Football resembles the unity and the fight like the military, if you are too emotional for either then just don't do it.

[@joelsavoie5857]

Shady speaks from his emotions he doesn’t really talk logically and it’s so annoying it’s like y’all babysitting him

[@CEOTonez]

Lil bro is the worst analyst on the show

[@Dipset415]

@@CEOTonezyeah but he funny though😭

[@MauricioSandoval-xc9ih]

@@CEOTonez😂😂

[@BrettPearson1]

agreed, but nothing he said he was wrong. Belichick a fraud

[@michelleblanc6377]

I think it gets him so much because he played with Tom he saw what was happening from the inside. I think it is in some ways personal for him and he knows Tom will not go to the media with this Tom is way too politically correct to say anything. I think that he wants somehow to help Tom gets his fair share of the credit. Because he knows that for so long Brady has been called a game manager and a system quarterback. I think Shady was appalled by what he saw and how Brady had been treated over the years by mainstream media it became personal and he said I don’t know how but I have to do something to change that.

[@orlandowilliams6]

Shady airing out Rex Ryan's slick dissing 😅

[@deetee5316]

Billicek needs to just be a defensive coordinator for now and I think that will be great for a team and then work his way back up to head coaching

[@andrehall5747]

I used to think it was Bill Belichick at one time. I WAS WRONG!! It was Tom Brady the whole time!!

[@deciuswtasby]

Foolishness. It was both…..

[@andrehall5747]

@@deciuswtasby Really? How many Super Bowls did Bill win after Tom? Bill has been trash before Tom and the saga continued after Tom.

[@deciuswtasby]

@@andrehall5747so Tom played defense, blocked, kicked, and caught his own passes? If it was purely “Tom” how did they go 8 straight years with no SB appearances……either Brady choked for 8 years of the credit is very much due. Pick one

[@deciuswtasby]

@@andrehall5747so Brady choked 2x against Eli and got beat by a backup too right? It’s all about Tom…..he should have inspired them and made them WIN…..see how stupid that sounds

[@usopenitentiary]

@@andrehall5747you must not be aware of how many top 10 offenses Bill’s defenses shut down during their run…

[@judipaul]

Look at the coaches he had with him! He had one of the best defenses this year!

[@tonygrace3435]

These clowns disrespecting bill

[@brentinnes5151]

just like bill disrespected Tommy

[@KevinWalkerKW]

Yeah, the man who spent MOST of his career RECORDING opposing teams plays is being disrespected!😂 Belicheck Disrespected himself!😂

[@batman822]

BillaCheat is a 🤡

[@arturocolin2292]

Huh for some reason, this does not surprise me in the slightest. Bill could have the most decorated resume, but you're as good as your last gig, and in no way, shape or form a 4-13 season can land you a coaching job.

[@deciuswtasby]

I think that’s more than a fair assessment

[@goldiilockzz7556]

He’s was under .500 before Tom Brady and he’s again under .500 after Brady. Brady leaves and wins another SuperBowl without him.

[@GurtonBuster07]

Y’all acting like he had a roster to have a good record with lmao

[@clos24]

Remember always hearing if only Peyton Manning had that defense. Growing up that's all I heard

[@higgs878]

Yep we use to say that ALL the time patriots had some studs on defense from top to bottom especially when they had Ty law shut down corner and Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfolk, Teddy with 2 other stud Linebackers and also Tom Brady had 4 pro bowlers on the offensive line 😂 When Manning won a superbowl with colts against the bears the colts that year was undersized on defense and they couldn’t stop the run and he still won it

[@erikpuka2627]

Patriots defenses in defense DVOA 2001-2007 finished top 10 4 times. 03 ,04,06, 07 2009-2019 finished top 10 only once. Only in 2019. Patriots defenses of the 2010s were bad. They were good early with Parcells roster.

[@jomocheatham]

​@@erikpuka2627Nice rebuttal. 👏

[@cedricwashington9268]

Shady argue like a baby mama “Am I right or am I right”

[@ScottHicks-h4t]

Joy ❤❤❤❤❤

[@jimmysweat2200]

If he wasn't a great Coach then he was a great project manager who happened to coach . He found a generational talent Built a system on offense for him Created a culture Built a defensive system on the other side of the ball 🏈 to keep them competitive Managed the cap Ran the front office Brought In personel in a ever changing environment Won 6 championships Is 16 games away from passing onr of the greatest coaches to ever do it He was a equal opportunity hater can't say he was prejudice he was mean to everyone if you read the comments Lost how many assistants to become head coaches 17 Will you see another like him There is one left in KC I wasn't a Belichick fan but you have to give the man his props

[@michaelmccue9864]

Belichick had defenses good enough to give Tom Brady 2 or 3 extra series for tom to succeed

[@jakieresykes3644]

How come he can’t do that for any other quarterback see Bill Belichick as a defensive coordinator he’s the greatest no question but the fact that he was the Head Coach and GM he made some questionable decisions

[@erikpuka2627]

Nah. He did not.

[@bioyado]

Didnt he hire Patricia as OC????

[@mashedpotato982]

and Joe Judge lmao

[@trizzyondamix]

Shady just doesn’t like bill im convinced 😂😂

[@brendaarmstrong7944]

Back to his buffalo bills days lol

[@kingshafeeq7021]

To settle this argument, Bill Belichick beat him head up in a Super Bowl just like Tom Brady beat Patrick Mahomes head up in an AFC championship and in a super bowl

[@michaelwhitten1272]

Brady was a game manager the 1st two SB. Coach Bill defense won those games. Gave the man his credit.

[@brentinnes5151]

so you giving any credit to the game manager

[@Mj-uz1ng]

Clown statement

[@asdfadf1904]

the first, he was. But definitely not the second. gaudy numbers just didn't happen often in that era, but he wasn't a game manager. he led the league in TDs his second year starting.

[@MikeHarvey-ol7xr]

Game managed the team down the field with less than 2 minutes left in the first 2 SB's after Belichick's precious defense yielded 4th quarter leads of 14 and 19 points to secure victory and MVP's. 😂

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

They don’t wanna admit that Tom Brady wasn’t Tom Brady when he first got into league

[@bigrcc99]

This topic is very interesting 🤔. He also had arguably the best defensive player of all time maybe besides Deion for both Giants Superbowls…

[@steelwill78]

They sleeping Hoodie Belichick! You already know when he wears his hoodie he’s scheming up some things.

[@mikelight2008]

When Gronk joined the Patriots, the first shock to him was to learn that Tom Brady was the actual offensive coordinator and the real coach. Belichick was the defensive coordinator and a figurehead coach. Brady won't admit that but former players have said that.

[@James-jr8yo]

Lots of people are going to be talking about how Belichick flamed out before and after Tom Brady. Lots of people outside New England are already doing it.

[@eddievangundy4510]

He did not flame out before Tom brady. Lots of ignorance of History around the sports world.

[@jakieresykes3644]

@@eddievangundy4510He has a losing record without Tom Brady

[@AngryTeddy-n3c]

I with joy n jones. Bill and tb12 were a team that complimented each other.

[@c.p.gentertainment7009]

Tom didn't play defense shady

[@sherkjlsjdf6334]

mahomes didn't play defense

[@hiphopsince81]

He’s not gonna get hired again. At least he’s not likely to in the future. What other long term, iconic HOF coach was hired after their stint with the team they became iconic & famous with? Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Don Shula, Bill Walsh, Bill Cowher? When your run is over, it’s over. The league moves on without you & it is already becoming younger & he doesn’t fit

[@joeymitchell5467]

so true thank you for being so honest LeSean

[@Fourwedge]

Why would a team want to start over with a 72 year old defensive coach that demands player control. When they can get a offensive genius to build around with a newly drafted QB.

[@SteveJones-gz3nd]

lol how many offensive geniuses are out there?

[@jermainee26]

im not even a Patriots fan but yall hating! in 01 that defense didn’t give up more than 17 in the playoffs, in 03 the most they gave up was 14 til the Super Bowl, 04 they held the Colts to 3pts, in 07 they held Eli to 10pts til 45sec left, in 2011 defense held Eli to 9pts from 1st to late 3rd quarter….. on that 25-3 comeback Defense pitched a shutout, Seattle Malcolm Butler and the Defense…. Not to mention all the HOF He Drafted

[@jamesfetcho6315]

I hate the Patriots, but the only people that think Bill Belichick wasn't more important on winning the 1st couple of SBs were not watching football during the time. Like Shady....he was about 10 years old during the time. All they asked Brady to do was not mess it up.

[@CEOTonez]

Tom Brady was the first Purdy let's be clear

[@jamesfetcho6315]

@@CEOTonez exactly 100%

[@jamesfetcho6315]

@@CEOTonez I agree, but they actually ask Purdy to do more than they did Brady. Brady wasn't bringing anyone back down 17 points back in the day.

[@CEOTonez]

@@jamesfetcho6315 remember Tom never was in the same breath as Manning until Yr 7

[@jamesfetcho6315]

@@CEOTonez agreed

[@Mr..559]

So what's Andy Reid without Patrick Mahomes?

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

Before Mahomes in K.C > 12-4, 11-5 ,10-6

[@Mr..559]

@@AlwaysHalloween000 no Chip?

[@AlwaysHalloween000]

@@Mr..559 But the problem is you said Andy Reid is nothing without Mahomes and he was 12-4 , 11-5 and 10-6 without Mahomes Here's Bill Belichick without Brady *.437 Win%* in 140 games = 8.5 seasons 1 playoff win in 10 full season without Brady you tried to change the narrative but you were wiped

[@Mr..559]

@@AlwaysHalloween000 I never said that. I just simply asked a question - Andy Reid is Marty Schottenheimer without Patrick Mahomes.

[@biphx]

To be fair, he did develop Kyle Dugger

[@bookabaka1074]

So what was Andy Reid before he was with Patrick Mahomes? A good offensive coach who can get to NFC championship games but that’s absolutely it got to 1 Super Bowl in 12 years but the “can he win a ring question” was real if y’all remember. It’s annoying that shady wasn’t challenged with that point. It’s like those “pros” don’t even think of that if they like the dude. It took an obvious downfall of Jalen hurts and eagles for them to finally admit it and it wasn’t just Shady

[@bumpsy2358]

The point is he could do what bellicheat could not do, before and after brady. Pats 6 rings Brady 7, PERIOD!

[@eastsidequel863]

My Favorite Show Speak

[@33_AlmightyBeezo]

Everybody forgets Bill has 8 superbowls, too

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Exactly so outside of Belichick no other coach can say anything because majority of them didn’t have Super Bowl wins until they got a generational Quarterback

[@ecuzo]

Shady funny af 😂

[@ramfanbland]

Belichick deserves his props, Tom Brady didn't hold the Rams to 3 points.

[@VonAllenSports]

Wade Phillips held Brady to 13. That was a game of attrition. And Jared Goff wasn't exactly Joe Montana at the time.