SHŌGUN Episode 4 REACTION!! 1x04 "The Eightfold Fence" | Breakdown & Review

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[@tanvu2728]

NATTO.... it is basically the ultimate Japanese supporting dish. It is fermented soybean. Usually that makes Tofu if solidified, but the Japanese process stop halfway between Soybean turning into Tofu, it is like like a sticky soybean paste. it is smelly and squishy, but extremely delicious if you grew up on it. Normally seen on toast, eaten with rice, maybe use in soup... etc.

[@tanvu2728]

IRL, Mariko's family lineage is one of the most infamous clan in history..... known as the ultimate villain clan. Idk what the show given family name for her is, but IRL her family name is AKECHI, and they basically betrayed ODA NOBUNAGA and killed him, thus becoming the biggest villain family in Japan.

[@lukebw6616]

I’ve watched a lot of telly and I’m confident in saying only 4 episodes in this is some of the best tv I’ve ever had the pleasure of experiencing

[@stephenmoney4722]

John’s consort is such a good actress. her subtle facial expressions when john wanted to try the new food or, during the standoff and, when she can see Mariko and John had a good night😂

[@running2standstill685]

And that trembling eyelids at the start of the episode with mariko

[@hazri8758]

wait so was it actually Mariko or the courtesan? It if was Mariko, why is she pretending it wasn't her?

[@ianhislop6782]

@@hazri8758plausible deniability

[@khaii13]

⁠@@hazri8758polite protocol. Fuji was supposed to be blackthorne’s consort; she cant very well say she slept with him behind her back. But in that end of that scene, you can see she knows about the “yobai”, and John picked up on the subtext pretty quickly and did not pester Mariko more about it and just says he appreciated the “gift”

[@plastic_vicar]

@@khaii13 Not entirely. John is entirely free to take as many consorts as he wants. What wouldn't be proper is for Mariko to take a lover as she is a married (or widowed woman) she would have no choice on her partner. If she is to have another husband it would be chosen by her family or her lord since her parents and husband are dead. The ruse is to allow her to sleep with John, while maintaining the guise of propriety. Fuji knows exactly what's gone on but she is ride or die with Mariko so is keeping up the charade to protect her. If anyone found out about it, Mariko would either be killed or forced to commit sepukku.

[@thedarkknight2221]

For those wondering what Chain Shot is, it’s when 2 cannonballs are chained together and fired from one canon. The chain clotheslines right through anything.

[@thesevendeadlysins578]

Yeah, Chain Shot is nasty.

[@lashebawinston4906]

Reminds me of The Borgias, when the French king obliterated Juan Borgia's army.

[@schubert06sebastian39]

Range is short, mostly used to destroy the ship mast and not very accurate. Canisters are more devastating at close ranges.

[@TehIdiotOne]

It's nasty, but it's primarily meant to be used against other ships to destroy masts/rigging. The really nasty stuff is canister shot.

[@Bullz_eye47]

I discover chain shot in assassin's creed 3 loll

[@placebo5466]

Kinda crushin on Fuji this episode.

[@rickroll1141]

Fuji is too cute!🥺🥰 She's my fav character now, i Hope she doesn't die

[@bebe_buu]

I love how this episode say is basically like "You think Japanese is modest and quiet? They bow respectfully while saying fuck you inside."

[@zawkyan9366]

As a result, we say it modest and quiet.

[@madtitan0825]

Just a lot of passive aggressive going on lol

[@gordonvshumway]

Love how they explained the 1st date. They experienced a 1st date the only way they could. in their heads. And it was such a great date it ended very very well.

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

Shōgun is literally my favorite show on TV right now!! It's so good!!!!

[@BumpyBaluga]

1. Fuji-Sama is the ride or die... 2. Natto, what Blackthorn is eating is essentially ferminted soybeans..

[@samlanganke1262]

Oh, it's not monkey brain as I had guessed? Somehow a pity.

[@soybeanis3035]

I've never had a bigger crush on anyone that i did on her when she pointed them pistols 😭

[@OrionInSpace]

WHAT AN ENDING!!! Wow!! My mouth was wide open quivering after that... the cannon chain shot is so destructive and honestly they represented that damage very well!

[@Unliveify]

when adding chains to the cannon, it was horrible

[@OrionInSpace]

@@Unliveify ya it was brutal

[@richrod0122]

I haven’t had a show entertain me so much with just the dialogue alone the writers deserve all the praise

[@gustlightfall]

I love Moeka Hoshi's facial expressions, damn well good actress.

[@dylanblue2271]

The actions of his son, to me, demonstrates the first weakness of Toranaga's approach and position in warfare. We've all praised him for being a tactical genius, rightly. Because he is suspicious of everybody, which usually helps in most situations, he doesn't bring his own son properly into the fold, like some other lords would and he is ultimately semi-guilty for the actions of his son. It was obvious from previous interactions that his son felt alienated and wanted to prove himself. If Toranaga had been warmer and more trusting, there wouldn't have been space for this turn of events. As we know, everybody's outlook, even the smartest, has strengths and weaknesses.

[@khaii13]

I get what you’re saying, but there is no such thing as “perfect parenting”, especially in a feudal setting like that. Its war time, so there really is no time for soft parenting: what if Tokugawa (toranaga) did bring his son into his confidence and his tongue slipped and he accidentally says something to the wrong person? So his parenting style is forcing his son to learn to think on his feet, which, as we saw, has its drawbacks.

[@dylanblue2271]

I hear you. I just think it's important to acknowledge that Toranaga isn't perfect. I've seen a lot of people hero-worshipping the character, but for me, that cheapens it a bit. He's a very smart, strategic man but he's not a God and I don't want him to feel like a God in the narrative. I want jeapardy, so that his clever actions means something. His aloofness sometimes helps him, and sometimes costs him.@@khaii13

[@khaii13]

@@dylanblue2271 on that we both agree. Heck they would have died if John did not cause a ruckus when the liter was about to be inspected a second time: there was no way they couldve fought themselves out of that one; but its not like he could actually inform yabushige the double agent. He was indeed very clever, but he is NOT God. Cheers, bruv!

[@tkjay83]

I think you forget that toranaga pretty much told his son that he can only trust himself, not his friends , family or enemy or even trust his own father.

[@dragoninthewest1]

Dono = Mi'lord Sama = Lord, Lady or Sir (lower nobility or to a noble of equal rank) San = Mr or Mrs ie Daniel-san

[@leocmen]

That is a masterpiece... what a good show!! Tadanobu Asano is killing in this show... his facial expressions by the end of this episode are just priceless...

[@agentsculder2451]

To me, one of the most impressive things about this series is how easy it is to watch, even though it's .mostly in Japanese. I watch movies and shows with subtitles frequently, and often I will feel tired afterwards. That doesn't happen with this show. Im not sure if it's because they keep the dialog minimal or it's just that the show is so good, I don't care about the subtitles.

[@cassiedelasoul]

major kudos to hannajoh, the master of gestures. daiki ishida, samurai movement advisor. toru harada, technical supervisor. and akiko kobayashi, period movement advisor who also played mariko-sama’s “lady-in-waiting”, setsu. the amount of detail that went into shōgun. absolutely amazing!!

[@gacchan]

Natto, what they were eating, is fermented soy beans, they become quite viscous when stirred and are slightly slimy. They're funky like a strong cheese. Often served on hot rice and with a mustard.

[@SwiddyDiddy]

Is it good? Why were the two ladies so apprehensive to let him try it, I’m assuming it’s just an acquired taste?

[@munkhappy4864]

@@SwiddyDiddy Foreigners either take it eatable or hate it. Only between those two

[@huntingsthompson]

@@SwiddyDiddy It's certainly an acquired taste, I personally love it. I can see why the show decided on comparing it to a funky type of cheese because of the pungent flavor brought about by the fermentation.

[@gacchan]

@@SwiddyDiddyVery much an acquired taste. Like a bleu cheese or something like that. The texture is also sometimes described as "snotty" which can also put people off.

[@alcor4670]

@@SwiddyDiddy Had them quite a few times. The "cheap" common ones to me have a somewhat sulfuric taste+scent, and they DO smell bad. For me it has hints of toejam, old wet leather wallet, and cheese. The good ones though are quite good. Smells a *_lot_* less bad. Nutty, somewhat like very slightly bitter concentrated miso and muted Korean doenjang. But its umami is top-tier, and should be mixed with the sauce it comes in (which tastes a lot like tempura and teriyaki sauce). Best eaten with freshly-cooked rice.

[@kevinprince9527]

Yoshii Toranaga is based on the historical figure Tokugawa Ieyasu. Famous historical "Battle of Nagashino year 1575" was one of Japan's bloddiest civil wars. Since the show is 1600's I think this time were going to get a full on war scene of "Battle of Sekigahara"

[@tommysoliz3064]

This episode was so awesome, seeing Toranagas speech and the soldiers cheering really draws you into the village and feeling of loyalty.

[@MikeHudspeth]

If Hugh Jackman decides to retire the role again, I think Cosmo Jarvis from Shogun has the potential to play a great Wolverine.

[@monsterking1973]

I could see him as wolverine

[@stephenmoney4722]

we would need to hear his american accent but i can totally see it

[@joninosaka]

I like it, bub

[@SuzakuX]

​@@stephenmoney4722isn't Logan Canadian?

[@arthurmorgan8454]

Hugh Jackman is Australian

[@svenskhund3603]

Mariko: Please don't interfere with our politics. John: Lady, I just want to go home and see my kids.....

[@eatsmylifeYT]

I love all the Machiavellian scheming going on, from Torinaga and Blackthorne, Mariko and Blackthorne, Yabushige and Torinaga, Yabushige and Ishigi, Kiku and Omi, Omi and Nagakado, and the rest of the characters' convoluted machinations. Everybody's got an ulterior motive.

[@neonoires]

I love Fuji-sama and I really hope she doesn't sacrifice herself for him. I wonder what Kiku's game is. Kiku got in Omi’s head and he got in Nagakado’s head. That ending was crazy considering so much of the episode was about their politeness and maze of traditions. I just peeped Omi (the nephew) smiling in the back. Oooooh this show just gets better every week.

[@709mash]

Omi wants his uncle's position is my take. He's playing the game. Time will tell if it backfires and/or effs them all over.

[@kathrynbedrosian3464]

I’m convinced Kiku is the one giving information. She’s a plant/spy.

[@Sniptosnipe]

I was mouth dropped, eyes tearing. WHAT A ENDING 😮

[@blinksstayfresh2524]

Gets better and better each episode

[@ericchips9314]

29:41 Look at the smirk. He already knew what was going down. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@nerdwatch1017]

Also John do you recognize the actress playing Mahiko sama she was in Monarch Legacy of Monsters Kate I believe her name was. Also the dude gunning for Tonagas head played her father

[@和久井淑子-v2e]

Fermented soybeans. Nowadays, they are all store bought. We simply mix the sauce and Japanese hot mustard which come with the beans.

[@gregoreuo1]

A director of the BOYS did this episode, as you can tell at the end scene.

[@fLiPukcz]

The man John Blackthorne is based on was a ship captain who took part in ship battles against the Spanish with some success. It was glossed over but it is possible that he could of took Mariko to see the Queen if they did go to London, his words were not necessarily gas.

[@SuzakuX]

IIRC Elizabeth I was also fascinated by foreign customs and had a menagerie of animals imported from far and wide. I think the subtext of his "oh, I'm sure" there is that the novelty of tales and specimens from the Japans would secure an audience.

[@Tac0maAr0ma]

The acting in these first four episodes has really been on point

[@bulletproof844]

Kids like Nagakado are the reason they introduced a legal age.

[@kaiuluitova6369]

war was inevitable

[@bulletproof844]

@@kaiuluitova6369 yeah, but I'm sure his dad would've loved to have a little more time to prepare AND maybe been informed beforehand. :D

[@DejectedCat]

Poor Yabushige... He turned out to be the only sensible one.

[@kuroro8274]

Fuji is on 🔥🔥

[@kathrynbedrosian3464]

I love love love the relationship build between Fuji and John. Also, hello Chekov’s gun, can’t wait to see her use it.

[@christophtoifl6848]

One of the things that are produced when soj beans are fermented into natto is ammonia, so stinky is a bit of an understatement! 😂

[@andrewquejano746]

Dad is going to be pissed when he hears what his son did… this gon be epic!

[@enicole1203]

Yabu's entire army just became totally devoted to Toranaga. 😂 Another reason to make him think twice before betraying him to Ishido!😂

[@ReelRejects]

What was your FAVORITE moment from this week's episode??

[@christophtoifl6848]

Fuji refusing to hand over the guns and threatening Yabushige's nephew instead. So badass!

[@believeume122]

Fuji standing on business

[@travisspazz1624]

The exchanging of gifts which also happened to be guns and swords.

[@mitchmatt6002]

Fuji's scenes stole the episode imo - I'm tentatively looking forward to the relationship development between her and John!

[@Nerd-Baker]

Cannon bursting ❤

[@furyiv]

Been waiting for this all day!!

[@jordanviau5315]

The John Blackthorne impersonation immediately made me click the like button haahahahahahahaha shout out from fall river MA

[@michaelriddick7116]

Great episode! The idea of hitting Ishido's messengers with cannon fire was both brutal and brilliant ... but I'm curious if its timing fits with his father's plan, or if he just screwed it all up 😂🤣

[@jeanchaillou2532]

now i need to wait for next week , damn !!!

[@timcloe]

Holy crap. I knew he was going to do something stupid but man that was nuts. I kind of agree with him though. Don't show the enemy your secrets in war

[@nerdwatch1017]

Because the actor was part of Thors group in the MCU I really hope in the end he chooses the right side.

[@buenosdingdong]

This show gives me life !!

[@kaiuluitova6369]

war was inevitable the kid did everyone a favor

[@benmason9755]

The chain shot is specifically designed to shear through ship's masts at high speed. So you can imagine they're absolutely devastating against simple flesh and bone targets.

[@saladbarjoe]

The courtesan is very much pulling a Lady MacBeth on Omi, and the ripple effect is what leads to toranaga jr going off the plan. It's like five different tiers of poison trickling down.

[@dxjjw]

This series is epic

[@heavycritic9554]

This show is really good. I love the fact that it goes harder into making the Japanese characters have more agency, than in the 80s version. I really want to like Cosmo Jarvis as Blackthorne, but he can't hold a candle to Richard Chamberlain's performance. Cosmo Jarvis feels like a thug, while Chamberlain felt like Blackthorne in the novel - refined for a European at the time, which helps him understand Japan in a way his fellow Europeans don't. However, Anna Sawai is a revelation as Mariko. In this version, you *_really_* get the feeling that there is more to her than meets the eye. Great performance!

[@Barlofontain]

I did wonder if it would be picked up, because it was brushed over so quickly, but Mariko is denying that she slept with Blackthorne, by implying it was a courtesan and not her This episode was a massive change from the book, (and even what was said in earlier episodes), because Blackthorne does have experience of infantry fighting, his own documents talk about them raiding Portugese forts and trading posts, on the way to Japan The book has a demonstration showing that trained muskets will beat a much larger force armed with swords, which leads to a much more grizzly end for Jozen than was shown here And unless they've reordered the events and it's in next week's episode, they've skipped a HUUUUGE part of Blackthorne's development

[@JunKang]

I think it's because (as stated in this episode AND in real history) Japan have already been using muskets effectively for 50 years. Whether muskets or cannons, Blackthorn is still demonstrating and training effective military strategy. I think it's a good change from the book for the purpose of authenticity. As for the Blackthorn's development, I don't know about that as I haven't read the book, but I really look forward to what would it be 😊

[@jormungandr4690]

I think it still works, because essentially he is naval combat expert and those cannons are taking from the naval ships that is why they are not as big, but longer and more precise to make them work vs infantry you load a chain inside also used in naval battle the same way. So he is different from the book, but he is faithful to what he was shown to be in the show a naval officer basically

[@Mike-hj7gg]

i didnt get that part, was it Mariko?

[@charlessmith4487]

​@@Mike-hj7gg it was her but she trying to keep him chill about it.

[@OGYabby]

​@@charlessmith4487was it really her?? It was so dark in the room I couldn't tell and blackThorne would've said something. I don't think it was her

[@SLAPERZZ1]

You two should visit uk, every year we have old cannons in forts firing blanks. They could easily fire real cannon balls. Watch a video of it.

[@koyapol]

it's natto one of the most --- UNIQUE --- food in the world LOL

[@carlart74]

I love watchin' y'alls reaction to this fantastic show ! this new TV version of the Shogun novels is alot of fun and pretty close to accurate ( not exact ) of the book in it's re-telling. I just wish they didn't make it just 10 episode mini-series.. I would love a few more seasons of it! if anyone was curious.. 1 koku of rice would have been enuff to feed ONE person for an entire year ! Anjin ( blackthorn ) has a salary now of 240 koku per year.. dayum ! .. I imagine John Blackthorn wasn't eating that good ( food wise & salary ) as a privateer in the Dutch trading company or English navy. I also Stan for Fuji now. wow that woman is a G . just brilliant , keep on being awesome my dudes ! love your channel !

[@KaiOcean]

Natto is fermented soy beans. Highly nutritious and an acquired taste. I love it.

[@nerdwatch1017]

Now that her husband returned after they fell in love and made love John probably in the tense level of passion that was happening between them. I doubt there was no pull out and she’s going to become pregnant with John’s baby

[@icyneko9175]

The old guy doesn't get a -sama honorific because Anjin is Hatamoto, and of a higher station.

[@iamcool8088]

This episode mannnnnnnn… each one has been great

[@woozie838]

Fuji-Sama will become the most badass guns-woman in Japan 😍😍😍

[@Comedy-capture]

Every element aspect of the show is circles very well around whole picture

[@gsarngad]

Back in college I was taught that one of the main difficulties of cannon was that they rolled back after each shot and had to be reaimed before you could shoot again. Until the 1890s when the French invented a 75 mm cannon with a recoil absorbing mount that would return the gun to its original position each time so you could hit the same spot all day without redoing the aim. (Which was one of the things that contributed to the horrific carnage of WWI.)

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

This show is amazing

[@OwnYourBaldSpot]

Great episode!!

[@hibikigamervlogs2982]

I love shogun it’s a awesome show to watch about the culture history japan in the 1600 and the baby earthquake on this show how much they have to rebuild if they’re tsunami or something it’s really good show I love watching this show and I love watching Japanese drama and anime

[@puspavelai8353]

All that 'fencing' and filtering in the mind consciousness thing is working well, for them I guess! This is I assume taught so that they are more efficient at obeying and carrying out their duties, even when reluctant! They are also very polite when they threaten to shoot you! The narrative is in parts like a docu-drama in understanding the mindset of these characters☺

[@RandalReid]

Nagakado used BFG

[@scottpezperry]

In regards to the swearing in this show its quite accurate as if you are friendly with a British person you will see that getting creative and imaginative with insults seems to come to us as easy as breathing

[@chrisbanks6659]

I just love the look of disbelief on Yabushige-sama's face (this, from a double agent, no less), but what it impresses me more is that it's a look of him being done with everybody else's shit. 😂

[@AirDave15]

I love John and Andrew for the historical stuff. It’d be great if you two specifically reacted to Band of Brothers, The Pacific, and Masters of the Air (if you haven’t already seen it)

[@KingKing-cz6xh]

War was inevitable I think it was the right decision to kill Jozen

[@ameliacraiig4193]

Don't ever stop attempting that sexy Blackthorne voice, Andrew.😀

[@andrewgordon7662]

I will continue it! 😊

[@AirDave15]

Damn I was not expecting Andrew Blackthorn to show up at the end 😳

[@thenerdywave2007]

Great Reaction John and Andrew! 👍

[@combatwombat2134]

It may (or may not) surprise you to know that the director of this episode has experience with a particularly gory show. One regarded for it's quick and brutal action. That would be The Boys. 😂

[@BoshyG]

There is a reason for the term "a sailors mouth" when in reference to cursing.

[@AmanCreatesArt]

So Omi is pulling Nagakado's strings. And Kiku is pulling Omi's strings. Who is behind Kiku!? This show, man!!! 🤯

[@agentsculder2451]

I imagine Kiku is looking to get out of the courtesan game, and become the wife of the lord in town. She wants the prestige and honor of that role.

[@hazri8758]

So, was it actually Mariko or the courtesan? I read some said that Mariko was pretending it wasn't her, because her pillowing with "a barbarian" would not look good in the eyes of her society. John picked up on that and played along.

[@kevthepoet]

"Everybody got stories."

[@theawesomeman9821]

Blackthorne has: a wife, a consort, and a hot translator girlfriend. The dude is an anime protagonist ;p

[@asrafelicia]

Unintentionally build a harem for himself :D

[@OGYabby]

Mariko is indeed so 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@maryanneayumi9594]

Toranaga and his son will have a father and son spanking moment when he comes back.😂😂😂

[@EleventhCubFan]

I’m definitely shipping Mariko & John

[@clarem8784]

I sat and thought about the situation they were in for a long time. There's only one resolution I could think of. The problem was that they had that man that the counsel wanted to come and pledge allegiance... I think they're smartest move would have been for him to get killed and the army to move.. then they wouldn't actually have declared war, The guys who had written up wouldn't have seen a lot the cannon capability- only that they were training on the cannon, and it might be better than before. With Blackthorn involved, there's always the possibility that anything could be happening because they don't understand him or know why he would do what he does. So he could be teaching them cannons because he had to teach them something and that's the only thing he knew (true) They wouldn't actually have any proof that it was effective

[@littlemouse7066]

In my opinion they were right to show the real consequences of violence it's the best way to make people understand what it really is since it has become something usual in films and videogames. It's a good wake up call to the terrible reality of it.

[@ZachariasSillanpää]

Thanks for the post 👍 great reactions.

[@dimbose9229]

Just drop all episodes. I have to wait for a week again.

[@AmanCreatesArt]

I’m really starting to see how much (by GRRM’s own account) Game of Thrones was influenced by this book!

[@アキコ2003]

In that era the sword would win in a "sword to gun" fight. He shoots one guy once, and theres no ammo or reloading for 60 seconds. He gets stabbed by the other guys right awat

[@ReelRejects]

Yeah, exactly. Maybe you get one person with the gun, but by then, you’re done for.

[@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479]

Not how it went for the Swiss and the French. Gunmen of the Landsknecthe and their paymasters massacred them in the Italian wars. Guns beat melee, melee beats horse, horse beats gun. 15th-17th century warfare in a nutshell.

[@rhythmichallucination671]

"I did hand my captain a gun... if that counts." my friggin sides

[@tabazail]

To me, Natto tastes like nothing and bitter. I done get the "strong cheese" taste at all. You can get it from an Asian mart. Comes with a little packet of mustard and soy sauce. Perhaps next episode you guys do a taste test!

[@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE]

Cannonballs dont explode they obliterate. This is how it was in that era.

[@enicole1203]

Not sure how many people notices but Yabu and Omi deliberately manipulated Toranaga's son into doing what he did by emphasizing how they were going to show him everything and how he was going to be able to show the lords in Osaka how much power Toranaga has. Yabu couldn't have the info on the cannons getting back to Ishido but he couldn't kill Ishido's man himself because then Yabu would instantly be declared Ishido's enemy, and he's trying to ride the line. So they got Toranaga's son to do it and Yabu's hands stay clean.

[@giannagiavelli5098]

Sama is honorific he should have said san

[@alexandregagne6577]

That ending! 😁

[@JamieLeaFL]

If you want to hear about brilliant tactics using artillery check out anything on Napoleon.

[@5thgen691]

Fuji is a baddie

[@MichaelAClear]

I don't know why the women were laughing at him for eating naato. It's fermented soybeans and like Blackthorne said it kind of tastes like cheese.

[@charliecussans7638]

The doomed lovers and cursed kings are Romeo and Juliet/Macbeth.

[@ianhislop6782]

And maybe King Lear