Sh*t I Never Knew: Under Rated is Over Rated

[@mkbmj]

The Toyo ATII is rated for 125 at 80psi on several tires. 275/65R20, 285/65R20, 295/65R20, 305/55R20, 325/60R20, 35/12.50R20, and 35/13/50R20.

[@Ghost3dOnline]

I've found issue isn't necessarily the model tire, it's the size of the tire. I run 285/75/16 toyo AT 2s and they are rated at E 126/3800 lbs. That's on a 16in wheel, if I went to a 20 in wheel and still wanted near a 33 height like a lot of guys run I would have less sidewall and that would drop my load rating. Finding the right wheel and tire combo is like a jigsaw puzzle especially if you are towing heavy.

[@Ghost3dOnline]

Custom Offsets correct E rating 10 ply tires still have different load ratings just as he mentioned in the video, not all Toyo ATs have the same load rating. Something buyers should be aware of. You don't have to have a 12 ply tire to reach a 125 or higher load rating.

[@kenoday7562]

Excellent job. There are way too many tire stores willing to put their customers at risk putting grossly undersized tires on vehicles. In highly litigious states, they could actually put their business on the line. In many states, your insurance company can actually void your policy should you get into an accident with a tire that doesn't meet the factory ratings. They call it an unsafe vehicle, and there's a clause for that.

[@iamdjtake5]

But when you "stretch" those tires like these idiots in the hondas you cut the load index in half. Just like crane and rigging. The more acutely angle in those sidewalls equals less load as you are constantly flexing that sidewall. At least the Hummer appears to be stretched....

[@kenoday7562]

When you mount a tire on a wheel that is either wider or narrower than the tire manufacturer recommends, a lot of times the bead will not seat properly. It may lift the inward edge or the outer edge. What that means is that you may lose air pressure hitting things like potholes, because the entire width of the bead is not in contact with the rim. Once you lose too much pressure, well, we all know what happens next .....

[@marcinpuszczao9418]

You’ll notice how much just the sidewall height changes that rating. More tire wall, better rating . Not gonna tow on slim tires

[@kevindelk]

My f350 has a load index of 121/118 on my door jam. And that is what the factoty tires are on it too. That's because it's a dually im assuming. So the toyo open country rts work perfectly for a dually, which is what I ordered

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Glad you could find a correct setup to run! Thanks for the support!🤙

[@srivet121]

you talked tire rating. what about rim load rating. and rim load index. and when you change the payload ratings with modified suspension ???????????????

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

For the most part the forged wheels will be stronger than the cast wheels and present day most cast wheels can go on most trucks.

[@rememberussliberty1822]

Im running 305/50/r20 Nitto Terra G2 on my 2500hd. They are 120s load index

[@zmax765]

One important thing the video should have mentioned is how rim size and tire height will affect side wall amount, which ultimately dictates load rating. Good information nonetheless for those that tow a lot, but many of these tires that are underrated for heavy duty trucks still have more than enough load rating to haul the weight of the truck if it's not a tow rig.

[@anthonydelgrosso6518]

Thank you so much for doing this! new guys coming into this scene need this knowledge! now do one on wheel load rating as well!

[@bhclark6128]

"wipe out whole minivans full of kids" ba ha ha Great video!

[@warnersims]

What is everyones experience at CWO with large tires (38-40's) and tread wear on 3/4 ton trucks? I've keep hearing the magical number of 20-25k miles out of a set of Toyos

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Depends on how you drive etc, tons of factors out of it

[@paolomartini150]

@ 5:14 for the super duty the load index is 125. That equals to 3,638 Lbs per tire. If it is only half of the rear GAWR then the total weight of the super duty rear GAWR should be 7,276 Lbs. So should the load index of the tire be half of the GAWR or equal or better than the GAWR?

[@robertj5663]

This video is great as it informs inexperienced people of what the numbers mean, but to match the factory specs and want to level/lift with certain wheel and tire sizes will not allow you to match factory specs. The guy below me is right and wrong. In an 18" wheel there are 7 sizes for the Ridge Grappler, only 2 are Load F, 12 ply; and only 3 meet or exceed the 125. however one of the Load F rated tires are only a 122Q... so just cause they are Load F rated they still arent usable technically. In a 20" wheel there are 4 Load F 12-ply tires but only 2 meet the 125 or higher. and of the total 10 sizes offered only 4 meet or exceed the 125. I didnt hear it mentioned in the video but if it was an i missed it my apologies; The LOAD INDEX/RATING IS ONLY FOR WHEN THE VEHICLE IS LOADED DOWN WITH ITS MAX PAYLOAD, not towing or anything else. SO if your superduty is dropped 3" in the rear and youre going for that wide street stance and you want to race it youre not going to be hauling much. If you haul or tow a lot then yes you want the highest load rating/index possible cause the added side wall strength and rubber compound is what will give you your long lasting tread wear. Side Note: I have seen many superdutys, cummins, and duramax trucks running toyo proxes, nitto 420s, or other street tires and they haul/tow no problem but dont expect much more than 10k miles out of them. Besides the Federals and street tires, any one of those tires in the video are well suited for any 3/4 or 1-ton vehicle. Your vehicle use will dictate what tire you want and how often you want to replace them. Seen Toyo and Nitto tires on 3/4 ands 1-tons get well over 40k miles.

[@robertj5663]

no problem. I currently have a 2015 silverado 1500 z71 4x4 with the 6.5' bed and 305/45 toyo proxes s/t and already have about 10k on them and wear isnt bad at all. But I dont tow just daily

[@joeypantera7397]

Thanks Robert Sciandra for that explanation, it really helped me. I dont haul much so Nitto Ridge Grappler would be perfect for highway princess.

[@imnotawasteoftime]

Could y'all do a video on wheel alignments front/rear, when/if needed after lifting/lowering/going to bigger wheels/tires, etc? Also, could you do a video on when/if/how to calibrate vehicle speedometer after putting bigger wheels/tires on the vehicle?

[@sexyworm1000]

If you fuck with the steering or suspension always get an alignment if unsure. however I wrench on my own stuff and as long as it still drives straight and true and my tires dont start wearing funny I dont bother with it

[@geebroni4118]

You can use lower index if you dont haul.

[@sirreginaldlee3576]

awesome vid bro. I'm new to the tire game and didn't even know I needed to know this shh lol kept blowing my tires in the winter until I realized how important having the right tires for a specific vehicle at a specific time actually dxmn matters lol

[@eianwahgener7623]

you mentioned it... you could run the 123 if you don't pull or load the bed all the way with the truck.... and a lot of guys with lifted trucks ain't doing any pulling.

[@webcrawler3332]

What if your load index is 110 @33psi which calls for a “D” rated tire. Can you run a “F” rated tire? How harsh of a ride would it be on a 35/12.5/18?

[@TheBCSledder]

Cool, I never thought about actual load ratings, I just assumed "E" was good to go for pretty much everything lol

[@noahtheviking1]

yea back in the day as long as you had E load range it was fine but with all new sizes and short sidewalls its become a new issue.

[@orng1]

Manufacturers are making the trucks more capable of carrying heavier loads so newer more expensive tires.

[@Giftied]

so load index per tire includes the weight of the vehicle first, then you subtract vehicle weight from load index and whats left is carrying capacity? So if i have a 5500lb truck and the tire is rated at 2500lb, i would divide 5500 by 4 = 1375, 2500/tire - 1375 = 1125lb per tire carrying capacity or 2250lb for the rear tires combined on top of the vehicle weight.

[@cowboy5754r]

So I’m guessing if you don’t tow. And just race the truck. Nitro 420s are good?

[@Average_D]

So the 2017 f350 Super Duty DRW comes from the factory with Michelin LTx A/T 2 245/75R17 tires that are load rated E 121/118R.....That is on a truck that can tow 21k hitch and almost 32k 5th wheel. Why are you getting such higher comparable numbers ? Unless you start stepping up into the 35" + sizing most tire manufacturers don't have many options for load ratings over 125/126 which in this case would be more than enough. Just trying to figure out the logistics here...

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

We're going off of manufacture specs and information David!

[@Average_D]

Custom Offsets i totally understand that....Just trying to get some insight on real world application. Id think if my truck came from the factory with a certain tire i could replace them with different tires of the same weight rating no matter the size. As long as they meet or exceed the rating on the stock tires....just looking into what my options are for the 17 f350 drw i will be picking up soon. Any thoughts on why they manufacturers would put tires rated so much less than the spec sticker on the door?

[@yeolderuckas8568]

You have a dually. So you get twice the rating per side. They are not putting the wrong tires on the truck.

[@RobertKohut]

Good info and very important for the truck used at or near it's max payload.

[@Mad_Martigan_MD]

Does the compound of the rubber change too? Or just the ply?? If the compound got harder with higher ply, then they wouldn't perform as good in the winter if they were three peak certified.

[@noahtheviking1]

the problem is so many aftermarket wheels aren't rated for the weight or you can't find any weight ratings so you may not know if the wheel is even safe to use.

[@joeypantera7397]

If you dont haul much like most, its almost never an issue.

[@CameronWilkerson87]

What about the BF Goodrich T/A KO2? or the Bridgestone Dueller A/T?

[@rudedogii]

I really don't get this video. None of the tires shown are over the highway truck tires.

[@beckett191145]

what about the new nitto ridge grapplers in a 35-12.50 20 that only come in load range f and 12 ply will the be rough riding for a half ton truck? u think they would be thanks for the help

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Little rougher for a truck but will definitely work! And the ridge grapplers are an amazing tire to begin with!

[@chrisyuriar9751]

Very informational great vid guys thank you for the lesson. I kept having bubbles and seperations on my 2000 f250 with federal courage's and Achilles desert Hawks after the last one I have been doing a lot of research and this video helped tons I would have never thought about this cause I never had problems with my f150 but duh the weight difference is huge! I know I'm rambling but thanks again!

[@ohiodish]

Did not understand the load index, and I'm sure I have been upside down on that chart before. Good to know. Thanks

[@allenoliver1907]

I’m running 37 13.50 Nitto Ridge Grappler F rated on a 2005 Hummer h2 So I can run 37 psi or what the door sticker says instead of 80 that’s on the side of the tire?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Send an email to [e-mail] and they should be able to tell you your correct psi!

[@gtiguy1992able]

So on mine 2000 Silverado, the back is calling for 3750 axel weight which is 1850 a tire, so would a set of tires that arnt lt rated but have a weight of 2695 work

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Yes they would, you just can't haul at your trucks max capacity towing/hauling!

[@gtiguy1992able]

Custom Offsets what would I be able to haul I have a 6000 pound camp trailer?? Do I spend the extra and get the lt set at 121 load index?? Or do u know anything about the milestar Patagonia mt they have a 121 load rating

[@TheRangerman00]

You can get toyo at2 in 125 load index

[@Mustured10000]

So how do you match a 125 load index tire to a wheel??? Will I have to stick to my stock wheels or his there heavy duty wheels to match???

[@erhodes352]

Custom Offsets I have a 2016 GMC 3500HD Denali SRW. I want to replace the boring stock wheels & tires but I need to maintain my towing and load rating b/c I tow a heavy trailer regularly. Thanks for explains the tires. I can't find any info on load ratings for wheels. Are you saying any decent quality wheel would be fine?

[@kenoday7562]

Wheels have ratings, too. I've been out of the business too long to help you with the latest information. I remember Eagle Alloys being rated less that American Racing, Ultra, and Alcoa. Actually Alcoa used to brag on their ratings.

[@K9388-n3z]

what If we us our truck for a daily. should we be concerned about this?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Yes it’s the safest bet to make sure you are running the best tires!

[@salmonkiller2545]

Looking to get ridge grapplers 35/12.5/20 on a 2013 cummins.. what are is the trend life expectancies on these tires if I rotate them every 7k or so.. ??

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

recommended to rotate with oil changes, they should last you a good amount of time! They should last a good while with no burnouts/aggressive driving Salmon!

[@Bunkysworkshop]

Then what would you recommend for a 2015 Toyota Tundra crewmax 4x4 iforce ? I will admit I just go very confused. Lol.

[@justenrobinson7144]

Yeah you gotta spend a pile of money to get some 22s that are good for a 1 ton 😂 I’m not sure what load index my 3500 calls for but I know with 121s I have 12,788lbs of tire and the gvwr of the truck is 12,300lbs

[@slyr1]

So if you have a lifted truck like I do with an 8 inch lift and it’s got a 7.3 diesel in it capable of towing almost anything and I am running 38’s I’m screwed because you have nothing for me based on your information that’s extremely confusing and explain tire pressure How do you know what pressure to run the truck at you’ve got to make another video with maybe getting a company like Toyo or Nito involved

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

There are plenty of forums for all kinds of trucks, many people will ask in those about how much to run and a lot of people run different ones, you need to find what works best for you.

[@stevenfoot01]

What about speed rating?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Don't expect to set landspeed records in your truck...

[@scottdashnaw2345]

The good ol discontinued rockstars were the best load rating..bringm back

[@drealraj]

Hey man do you all do 15" ? I have a lifred suzuk Jimmy and a Mazda BT50

[@franktroy9931]

Why do you have loud music in the background.

[@arthurbrandel9880]

Do u guys do lifts on a Nissan Titan like a 6"

[@nicksaucier7006]

I appreciate all of your videos as they are very informative but I have a question not related to this topic and that is what music are you playing in the background of your video?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Most of our beats are made in house or short clips. Sorry about that!

[@truckerman9836]

Learned something new I always thought a load range E and I was good to go. Are all F loads a safe bet or I still need to look for the load index?

[@jamescrowley6693]

Gotta look at the index load f could have less index than e sometimes

[@jwsvan77]

Nitto/Toyo put out some of the best tires. It's funny because Toyo guys says they don't like Nitto...its the same company

[@joeypantera7397]

I have toyos at2 OC but in canada great for summer, worst ever for winter conditions of any kind....I try nitto ridge now for reversible sidewall, each side has different look also I believe a bit better traction tread for transitioning into winter before I throw on real winter tires.

[@dilynlyles4602]

So if you drive a dually would you divide the GAWR by 4 instead of 2?

[@dilynlyles4602]

any suggestions on good dually rated tires?

[@virginiasal9217]

Great vid as always!!!!!

[@txturbo930]

Super helpful. Thank you

[@jonathanwhalen1041]

Thank you

[@darrylm3627]

Great Tips Good Stuff Clear Understanding 👍 Thanks!

[@masterredx]

Question. I purchased my 2015 F250 FX4 Lariat brand new with 6 miles on it. The tires it came with are the Toyo Open Country AT II which was the stock tire on all the FX4's at the dealership. Are you saying it's not rated for the truck that they are putting them on when you buy it stock?

[@masterredx]

Custom Offsets just checked my tires they are the Toyo Open Country AT II 126/123s so I guess maybe it's just the specific ones you had that are under 125

[@blackgmc01]

what is the differents in height of a 265 75 16 and a 305 70 16?

[@818silencer818]

john mason 1.2 inches in diameter.

[@wantsanewvehicle]

1.2". if you go to 305/65 then it's the same diameter.

[@rudedogii]

Most people don't carry max load. Just check the max load and PSI rating printed on the side wall of your tire. Most tires are over rated. I ran 6ply 40x17x17 30psi max. Ground Hawgs on my Crew Cab Superduty with no problems.

[@RyanFiore211]

How are ko2s in the snow?

[@Wrenchlife604]

Friend just made it cross canada in winter on ko2s he recomends them. Dont know how they are in heavy offroad tho

[@RyanFiore211]

Thanks man!! Wrench life​

[@dossfishing3821]

I have a 2003 chevy silverado with 2 inch body lift and on 315/75 on 16 inch rim and even once and a while it wobbles really bad in the front end do you know why it does that and do you have tires In 315/75/16?

[@dossfishing3821]

Thank you!

[@joeypantera7397]

hmm my guess is you have a huge amount of sidewall and maybe its flexing alot more. Try going bigger rims to take some of that sidewall out on your next set.

[@slyr1]

It’s really Confusing

[@ByLeb]

what’s your guys thoughts on running a F rated tire 125 index on a 2016 ram 1500?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

It'll ride a bit rougher, but is doable!

[@LuisAntonio-xb8xv]

so lost just like in chemistry class.😂😂😂

[@iheartmusk9137]

LMFAO

[@ps3boss98]

I like your shoes shawn!

[@ps3boss98]

***** Lol

[@scenicrides5951]

Is there any performance or comfort hit by going with a larger load index than recommended?

[@kenoday7562]

If you don't increase air pressure, it's going to remain about the same, unless you go way over the rating you need. Then the extra weight of the tire will cause you to get less fuel mileage. They will also run hotter because there's more material in the sidewalls.

[@ScaleCrawler383]

Thanks for the info!

[@grahamkaszas6958]

Well you learn something new everyday. Good video guys by the way nice jordans I got the same but in black

[@BraapEffex]

Nice video brotha 👍 you kinda sound like Jesse James..

[@30minforasn]

Are you in law enforcement?

[@CustomOffsetsTV]

Fuller was a prior police officer

[@giuseppebevilacqua6745]

Awesome Vid Bro!!

[@robbhall4701]

Thank U for your efforts. I did learn a lot. If you get a blowout and flip truck or kill someone. I would like my stuff right .

[@ShOwStOpp3rr]

well that was interesting i never knew jack shit about load ratings,,,i do now..

[@vitaminb4869]

So much bullshit. Just run load E for the heavy trucks and you'll be fine. You're hair splitting between 123 and 125. Have you considered what happens to the load capacity when you air down your tires for off road 10 psi and below? I guess not...when that truck is a pavement princess, and that hummer on 30"+ wheels or whatever the fuck those ugly things are. With that being said none of these tires are appropriate for those 2 pavement princesses as they are way too aggressive for them.

[@Aaron-zx8wu]

You guys are wrong again on the ridge grappler it's only a 10ply tire You made that same mistake on the hybrid video also

[@Aaron-zx8wu]

Custom Offsets not in the 35 12.5 20 F Add the numbers up on the side of the tire and call nitto do your research I bought them thinking they were a 12 ply but they aren't That's how I learned, I thought they sent the wrong tires at first but only 10ply but they are a 80psi

[@Aaron-zx8wu]

ConnorHD3 they are wrong that's where I bought them from they have the wrong description for the 35 12.5 20 f I talked to nitto twice about it They are a f load range 12ply ratted tire, 80 psi, but only 10 ply

[@Aaron-zx8wu]

Custom Offsets nitto is kinda of false advertising on the tires You have to read the fine print

[@Aaron-zx8wu]

Custom Offsets I hear ya they make tire specs hard to get good information Only reason I learned about it was from buying them Keep up the videos they are very good and informational

[@gasolara2002]

Aaron Nichols I have the nitto Ridge Grapplers and they are 12 ply in most sizes