Shadow the Hedgehog’s Forgotten Villain

[@ArchieSonicLore]

Adrenaline Dubs also has two dubs out atm of Shadow Fall, and seem to be going through the whole arc. Give it a watch if you want to experience these comics in a comic dub format! Link: m.kzbin.info/aero/PLsCrG2GCZrqa5IxyetzeWLmW88FB3PYva

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT 👌 ARCHIE SONIC LORE SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG VILLAIN ECILPSE AND BROTHER.

[@ArnoldStark123]

To clarify, Archie doesn't own any characters from the post-reboot comics; all rights belong to Sega. Even if a character's creator is acknowledged, they don't own the character due to work-for-hire agreements. For example, Ian Flynn created Eclipse the Darkling, but he doesn't own the character-Sega does. They have the option to use him, but they choose not to. While the email claiming Sega doesn't own the post-reboot characters was fake, the situation remains unclear. However, Ian Flynn has indicated he doesn't wish to use the post-reboot characters he created in IDW, suggesting there aren't legal barriers preventing their use.

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@ArnoldStark123 Just looked into it and yep, thank you for the clarification and sorry for the goof on my part!

[@ArnoldStark123]

​@@ArchieSonicLore "No need to apologize, and you’re welcome! I’d also like to point out that if Sega couldn’t use anything from Archie, then the Commander wouldn’t be called Abraham Tower in the main Sega continuity, including the games and Dark Beginnings."

[@ArnoldStark123]

​@@ArchieSonicLore "In fact, even Shard the Metal Sonic, despite being from the pre-reboot Archie timeline, wasn’t created by Ken Penders. His most recognizable design came from Ian Flynn and Tracy Yardley. While there's 20 years of baggage to clear, it's not impossible for Sega to use him. My team was recently allowed to include him in our upcoming Sonic cartoon, with a few minor changes but still true to the character. Feel free to keep on the lookout if you're interested in hearing more cuz I would love to share!"

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@ArnoldStark123 This video was made a little bit before Dark Beginnings, so it’s a pleasure to be proven wrong lol

[@ArnoldStark123]

@@ArchieSonicLore I wasn't trying to diss you or anything lol Honestly it's my fault for not even understanding that knowledge until now so I owe you a serious apologies 🙏

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

I think it would be really cool if a series of Shadow focused stories built out a whole Rogues Gallery for him

[@rayvenkman2087]

When I saw the Terios skin for Shadow Generations, I thought of his backstory. What if between Biolizard’s creation and Shadow’s creation, there was Terios who acts as the missing link between the two? What if Shadow never met Maria and what if he had the personality of his Boom counterpart? Terios is basically Boom Shadow/Meta Era Edgelord Shadow/STH 2005 Dark Route Shadow who would say that loyalty to one’s friends is pathetic and just a straight up monster who doesn’t hesitate to cause destruction in his wake out of hatred for the world. A flawed and psychotic prototype who’s more powerful than his younger brother but also more unstable in his flow of Chaos Energy. A being full of rage and loathing for all of mankind for creating him. The very thing Shadow opposes. You not only get an evil Shadow to use and a familial Space Colony ARK brother that Shadow can actually talk to but you get a new addition to the Project Shadow lore by having a rouge prototype who’s flaws inform his eventual successor right down to the creation of the inhibitor rings. Pave the way for Shadow’s final design as a nod to his real life roots as a prototype to Shadow and being his dark mirror. Basically if Biolizard had a personality. If they’re not gonna use Eclipse, don’t want to overuse Mephiles and wants an evil Shadow, he can fill out the role no problem. Get a lot of narrative mileage out of his backstory.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

@@rayvenkman2087 I see this idea for Terios being a Proto Shadow a lot, and I do like it, but I would like to raise a different idea: Terios is from a separate colony (perhaps on a different planet) who has a family that is infected with NIDS (that disease that Maria has that Shadow was created to cure). We could say that Terios is immune to this disease somehow, and wants to use a genetic sample of his to find a cure. He is assured that Project Shadow will produce a cure, but before the cure can be finalized GUN storms the ARK and Terios is left with his dying family, blaming Shadow personally for the failure. Maybe, Terios' family members could be the other concept designs for Terios? Anyway, I was also thinking that maybe Terios had been sealed away similarly to Shadow, and is discovered by Eggman. Eggman then decides to do some genetic engineering on Terios to make him similar in strength to Shadow?

[@rayvenkman2087]

@@totalNERD-eo7wx That too. Or maybe Terios is the hedgehog genetic donor for Project Shadow and was selected by Gerald Robotnik for being a peak mobian specimen. We know Black Doom provided the Black Arms DNA but I don’t think we really get any info on how or where Shadow gets his hedgehog appearance from outside of Gerald seeing an ancient mural of a super hedgehog. What if it turns out that Shadow was a clone of a very formidable mercenary long thought to be deceased for decades until he reappears in the present day? The true Shadow the Hedgehog in a sense and in a subversion of the evil clone trope, Shadow is the heroic copy of Terios who’s very nihilistic and misanthropic towards the world like the killer of Persona 4. A nurture versus nature type of conflict with Terios having been born, raised and educated on Mobius/Earth by loving parents but possessed a very sociopathic nature despite while Shadow was grown and raised in a laboratory where he found his noble nature despite being artificially created. It would also make a nice change from the usual evil Shadow archetype of Eclipse and Mephiles where his evil counterpart is a naturally born individual rather than a being made in a lab.

[@FinalPharaoh83]

I LOVE Eclipse, and it's a downright shame they won't bring him to the IDW. Not only is he the nost interesting Shadow villain, he's also got an amazing design.

[@ShinyToot]

He better be in a DLC for Sonic X Shadow Generations. I’m still waiting for Shard to be in a game.

[@petergyorgyizsak7935]

BRO!? IN IDW!? HELL NAH... IN THE *GAMES* BRO, IN THE *GAMES!*

[@rainaroseling]

Ian Flynn clarified that Shadow and Eclispe aren't actually brothers. Eclispe called shadow his brother because they are the same species.

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

I still think they are brothers

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. ECLIPSE ANTI-SHADOW

[@anti.bctards7376]

I don’t know why people don’t think about this more. If Black Doom was Eclipse’s father, then they’d actually be related.

[@Tyulenin]

Well, considering the lines in Shadow Generations mentioning both that Doom will prolly be reborn again so Shadow "shouldn't hold back" and that Doom wanted Shadow as his next body, it is pretty much perfect time to bring Eclipse (or something akin to him) to the modern canon. Ian already mentioned that Eclipse is the easiest Archie character to transition into the games and that he would love to do so, the Shadow hype is real so a standalone Shadow game wouldn't be surprising (the Generations game, a movie, a series), the only obstacles are Sega's MAndATes (ooooOoOoo) and maybe some Archie rights thing (but def way less of em unlike echidnas and Freedom Fighters, since Ian Flynn is the creator himself and the current game writer).

[@leonardocouto3109]

I really believe it's a shame what they did with Eclipse. He has such an interesting concept linked to it and feels so naturally like part of the universe. His existence is just logical, it almost makes no sense why he or an alternative version of him doesn't exist in the main games continuity. He's the Anti-Shadow, born from a place of revenge against the original for "betraying his brothers". It's the opposite of Shadow's origins, in which he is pulled out of a vengeful path by intervention of Maria's true desires for him. That being said, I think Eclipse had room to be developed further. If you think about Shadow's history, it's a story about nature vs nurture, the evil nature of the Black Arms fighting against the nurture of a loving sister and father. I think Eclipse had a chance to either twist that in that he follows nature all the way despite being one of the few conscious beings in a hivemind army or that he (only eventually) finds himself without the former option, discards the latter choice and learns to follow a path uniquely his own. In a way, it'd be a story mirroring Shadow, with the stark difference that isntead of companions to guide him to a good path, Eclipse's steps towards it are long, lonesome and filled with stubborn persistence until he has nothing left. At that moment, we see his core... ... and he's a good guy. That'd put a lot of what he did in question and bring an interesting dilemma about morality that would just leave us thinking. It'd also honor his own active participation, highlighting that ultimately, whatever he acts upon is his choice.

[@MrJ-u6h]

makes me wish we'd get more archie villains post-reboot in other media that stuff was all awesome

[@Mailboxmax]

Nice to a see video about Eclipse. He's a personal favourite Archie Sonic villain since to me is sort of a dark mirror to what Shadow could have been if he didn't form the bonds that he did, and was more loyal to the black arms in Shadow the Hedgehog. Then in Total Eclipse he sort of started forming bonds in a his own way with the dark arms. Its a shame he was only in two arcs, but I really enjoyed him in both of those arcs

[@StelarVA]

This channel and its content have encouraged me to look into the Archie lore (I've even begun reading and picking up some issues of the comic) and honestly Eclipse looks to be a really unique antagonist! Thanks for the awesome video, please keep up the great work!

[@DrCocofruit]

The way Ive latched onto Mephiles, Eclipse and Terios all cus they were Shadow related characters and I want them to be fleshed out more tells of something idek about myself

[@KyanoAng3l0_24]

It's worth noting that Shadow in the movies *(spoiler alert)* comes straight from space, in a meteor that's possibly from the Black Comet, so this Shadow is a complete alien. Considering the multi-world universe of the movies, ig it makes sense that Black Doom would model him after a hedgehog, maybe that of a certain prophecy.

[@devonakimmer9402]

Happy anniversary to the issue that brought Eclipse🎉

[@Logan-tinyplanetss]

this is so awesome!!! i've read some archie but i always love finding new arcs to jump into

[@keilanyoung]

Why do i get the strangest feeling that eclipse would sound exactly like starscream from transformers with a raspy voice

[@mori-cq5282]

Guys, did you know Black Doom heavily resembles NiGHTS Into Dreams' primary antagonist Wizeman the Dark? I just felt like mentioning this for laughs and giggles! >ᴗ

[@AquaVerve]

ultimate allien? NOW WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE??

[@Narrowsourcereal]

Ben 10

[@townnn-biz]

Yess one of my favorite Archie characters getting love. I hope more people can learn about em

[@KujaroJotu]

0:41 Funny to believe the reverse would happen years later.

[@Wurfeln-et9fn]

I’m so glad I found this video I’ve owned a most likely fan made 3d sonic poster with eclipse on it but never been able to find out who he was thanks for the vid

[@Cruddy129]

If they can get Archie's name of the Commander and mephilis back when it seemed impossible to do so - anything is possible at this point

[@dragonborn7955]

Hahahaha! This aged poorly.

[@Gyrokun]

Wha​@@dragonborn7955

[@nerdybirdy2002]

​@@dragonborn7955 How so?

[@forlornhauntedghost]

Wow first time hearing of this guy and he's amazing, great design too! 🔥🔥🔥

[@conradojavier7547]

I hope Sega Canonized him as Shadow's Rival.

[@thatonecaster6501]

The ark is such a good remix of final rush

[@ArchieSonicLore]

I like the track so much I knew I had to include it in the video somehow lol

[@artistanthony1007]

I actually roleplayed with him alot back in 2016 or 2017 on a site called Quotev even though now got out of it especially with the lack of Sonic RPers and now messages being gone which is sad and also I loved his design so he aint forgotten to me.

[@magicmoonmonke]

I wish he was more of a mobian proportioned Black Arms soldier more than resembling another mobian, kinda like Chaos 0 or Emerl

[@Sklumbo]

Easily the best Shadow villain. Talk about a great way to go out before the end of the Archie run. Such a great arc for Shadow.

[@rayvenkman2087]

He’s the first and only Shadow villain so far that’s clearly designed to be a long-term one while the rest are one and dones until Doom’s Eye was brought back.

[@Sklumbo]

@@rayvenkman2087 Yeah I really hope he gets something similar to Eclipse in the games. I don't see Doom being a reoccurring antagonist after shadow gens.

[@SaddieMoon]

8:22 I don’t think so. I think would probably have the copyright to these things, especially after the Ken Penders Lawsuit.

[@katieee_llyn]

The one character from the comics I want canon more than anyone

[@alvarox951]

Funny, they discarded Mephilis surviving and reviving Black doom to seek revenge on Shadow, yet in the game we got Black doom surviving and reviving Mephilis to seek revenge on Shadow xD

[@schemar17]

The powerscaling wouldn’t make sense that’s why

[@alvarox951]

@@schemar17 in what regard exactly? there are multiple ways to interpret this so i'd like to know more, i'm interested.

[@schemar17]

@@alvarox951 black doom>>>Mephiles yes mephiles has time powers but dark doom has chaos control and other abilities. Super shadow was needed for doom but not mephiles

[@alvarox951]

@@schemar17 well true but let's have this into account: Shadow didn't need to go super to defeat Black doom this time around thanks to his new Doom powers, Shadow didn't neet to go super againts Mephiles in order to defeat him in 06 but he still needed to remove his ring bracers in order to do so, and this time he had his new doom powers, also let's have into consideraiton that Shadow has way more fighting experience than before. Black Doom literally got killed twice, Mephiles can't really be killed, just sealed away so that speaks a lot about his power, even if he is just the half of a literal time god, can Mephiles use chaos control? we don't really know but it seems he really doesn't need to. Mephiles is weaker than Black doom? most likely but not by a long shot, is Black Doom stronger than Mephiles's true form? Solaris? no fricking way, that literally had to be defeated in both the past, present and future at the same time in order stop it. Being totally honest here, anyone of them would have worked perfectly for the main villain, both of them are cold blooded evil manipulators with a dark aura and a personal vendetta with Shadow

[@nehen2225]

@@alvarox951 Mephiles had to be defeated by Shadow without his rings, Rouge and Omega all at the same time. Still won't matter much because Sonic characters tend to get stronger with time (Sonic beating Perfect Chaos on base, Shadow beating Metal Overlord and Mephiles on base without taking off his rings, etc) so it makes sense Shadow can beat his villains without much help.

[@Boomblox5896]

As much as I question the viability of pulling some Archie lore back into canon, I think Eclipse was a missed opportunity to give Shadow a proper recurring villain with some depth, but maybe not too much (Basically the Eggman to Shadow's Sonic). That 3D render of Eclipse is very convincing that he would make for a good character in the games, perhaps a Shadow the Hedgehog 2. The only IDW character that comes close to being similar to Eclipse might be Mimic, but he's got a whole other backstory to him and motivations to kill a certain other character that has nothing to do with Shadow, but Mimic also has ties to a group of Wisps and has a similar-looking head-shape and dark eyes. I dunno.... Man I wish they'd write Shadow better in IDW. I still think the mandates have something to do with it, no matter how many times people go back and forth about the mandates' very existence.

[@SaddieMoon]

8:03 Yay! Someone else used the name “Preboot”! I don’t know where you got that from, but I personally made it up myself. Or came to the conclusion of calling it Preboot myself.

[@omarnsouli1555]

Plz do more of these

[@Brea2108]

Honestly, would have loved if they were somehow able to add Eclipse as a skin for Shadow in this game.

[@markgill346]

While It will never happen, I would love it if SEGA decided to start using some of the Archie Sonic characters that they have, this unfortunately excludes the Old Timeline though.

[@Me22231]

Voice: Welcome To Eclipse's Incredible Interstellar Amusement Park Where You Can Enjoy 5 Planets For a Price At 1

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

Someone should mod him in Shadow Generations

[@BasementDweller_]

I liked his design.

[@proceededspy1370]

I miss Eclipse, he is my number one character i would bring back from Archie. I kinda "shipped" him with Relic, like what if he had kidnapped her and at the "any last words" she starts bombarding him with questions about the Black arms and after a lot of talking he found her interesting enough to not eat, right now. kinda silly but i had fun with that idea.

[@josiahjohnj.firmalino2664]

Lucky for you his gonna return in the currently non-public sonic fan manga as one of the most menacing villains.

[@deniseg9210]

What’s this fan manga called?

[@josiahjohnj.firmalino2664]

@@deniseg9210 Soultale.

[@josiahjohnj.firmalino2664]

@@deniseg9210 it's not yet out. Due to me being busy with school and needing to improve my art.

[@dayvonlouis5187]

I figured him as the pure black arms version of Shadow

[@SilverMuncher]

OHH I MISS ECLIPSE 💔💔 one of my favorite archie sonic characters

[@KyndlingStoneCB]

It’d be crazy to see him in Shadow Gens

[@skojebus7874]

The story of Eclipse could be (if all things go right) a plot for a potential Shadow The Hedgehog 2

[@Motolmang]

if we ever get like a shadow sequel game outside of shadow generations i'd love to see like a character that's tied to Shadow's past and the black arms both. Maybe something like another prototype of the ultimate life form project that Black Doom passed his lineage on to.

[@samuriecooper1005]

We will get mods for Black Death and eclipse in SONICxSHADOW Generations~ 😉

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

Hopefully

[@ZAK-fz5zv]

Black doom and the black arms are my fav shadow villians, I hope we get more black arms and ecplise someday

[@dc7981]

I like Eclipse but I wish we got an actual full on Black Arms invasion of mobius in the comics. We were supposed to get one but sadly Ian wasn't allowed to use them apparently

[@draggo69]

Nice!

[@rachelvieira397]

Gosh, I do. Hope eclipse makes an appearance in the games. It only makes sense after all. Shadow is getting more focus now.

[@ipineaplezs2070]

Shadow Generations would have been a perfect opportunity to bring Eclipse into the main game continuity. Flynn created Eclipse and is writing the Shadow part of Generations, making it a perfect combination. But that’s just hopeful thinking on my part.

[@skipplayz7577]

I could see them bringing in an Eclispe equal in the future similar how Surge is a different take on Scourge

[@ShadowmanDan]

@@skipplayz7577 probably not since surge is based on ashura

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

If there’s one person who would be so Perfect for voicing Eclipse if he was brought into the Mainline Sonic Games then it would have to be Robbie Daymond.

[@demonking3673]

Robbie Daymond is voicing Mephiles

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

@@demonking3673 That's not Mephiles,That's Eclipse the Darkling.

[@demonking3673]

@@emeraldphoenix5868 I know that. I’m just saying he voiced Mephiles in Sonic x Shadow Generations

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

@@demonking3673 Robbie Daymond didn't voice Mephiles in Sonic x Shadow Generations,That was Roger Graig Smith.

[@demonking3673]

@@emeraldphoenix5868 Nope, it was Robbie Daymond. Roger voicing Mephiles was a rumor.

[@SoranotRoxas]

You're right about him being forgotten... 💯 % forgot he existed 😅

[@IMMAHUMPYOU]

oh is this the guy who beat up shadow with his bid form

[@NolanSetordjie]

I 4got about Eclipse, I didn’t think if he might appear in Sonic x Shadow Generation along with all the enemies Shadow faced. Black Doom, Mephiles Biolizard,Neo Metal Sonic & possibly Infinite. That could’ve been total of 5 enemies that Shadow faced.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

If you could pick one major character (Like Eclipse) and one minor character (Like Relic) to bring back to the games or IDW, who would be your top picks? I bet you could make a video on this!

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@totalNERD-eo7wx Major: Ixus Naugus. He’s a fun wizard fella! Minor. Relic would probably be my pick. Knux needs someone to talk to!

[@ashesGeek]

​@ArchieSonicLore Naugus is OG villian and the fact that Sega disrespects him so hard is both infuriating and heartbreaking.

[@Me22231]

Eclipse The Datkling Did Said He Can Harvest The Wisps' Worlds Later On November 2024 And Eclipse The Darkling is Thr Final Weapon Of The Black Arms From Sonic 3D Blast

[@Volt_Fortnite]

Are the Archie sonic comics reboot peak should I read them

[@ArchieSonicLore]

I’d say so! It’s also much shorter to read then preboot.

[@BiteMe5664]

Eclipse was a great character. They better keep him around. Maybe this new Black Doom is an imposter or something.

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

Wonder if we will get a version of eclipse once the black arms comes to the sonic movies universe tho 4 will probably be a remake of metal sonic and amy first appearance so maybe black doom and the black arms will appear in 5

[@deppo436]

When it comes to Eclipse I really love his design, except for this one tiny little issue... which is I don't think he needs a mouth on his muzzle, it looks just a little weird without a nose.

[@artistanthony1007]

That would kill the entire design point which is him to resemble Shadow in a way & just to look appealing for most part, also we dont know what his voice would be but it would definitely represent how he has to breath with mouth only yet he has no clear lungs either in the official 3D Render so it works anyway.

[@Me22231]

You Kmow Not Only is Eclipse The Darkling Shadow The Hedgehog's Brother But Eclipse The Darkling Also Happens To Be The Final Weapon Of The Black Arms Race From Fonic 3D Blast & I Wonder If Eclipse is Gonna Build Eclipse's Incredible Interstellar Amusement Park Or Eclipse Park For Exact

[@MrsMamaMallow]

If only we got some comic characters.‘one l would like to see is scourge make an appearance

[@springtrap9038]

to be fair, i've never been an archie fan, now, dont start flaming me because i find idw as my personal preference, but the idw sonic comics speak to me a lot better than archie or fleetway comics, and its not because that the sonic 3 and k mecha sonic appeared in a 4 comic book mini series released by idw along with mecha knuckles and a bot that resembles gamma in a way, but its how the potrayal of the characters are, they seemed more consistant to their games than archie ever was, because with archie, you just had to roll a dice for their personality, but for idw, you can experience their personality and character growth, i already mentioned mecha sonic, but theres knuckles, surge, and even mimic, idw is a lot more consistant, and thanks to frontiers, idw is now canon to the main series, sorry archie fans, i respect your opinion, but i fine the stories in idw a lot more interssting, the metal virus, scrapnik island, and many more stories in the idw comics just feel more immersive to me, thats all i have, thanks for letting me share my thoughts

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

I mainly remember him for his evil Wisps

[@silverchameleon8848]

I love this character so much such a shame he didn't get more focus

[@tigersoul6171]

He looks like a dark Harley Quinn and why they don’t make a story time of sonic and silver it would be epic if it would!! Shadow is already mysterious nothing that can be added will surprised 🙄 me

[@CarlosBlanco-n1k]

Terios could be like eclipse

[@allangarddegriss6798]

So with the " Flames of Disaster" killed off screen by Knuckles, its very clear to me that the lore for Sonic 06 is gone out the wind for the Cinematic Universe. So i told my buddy, if they never need to retcon 06 elements inro the movies, Use Ifrit, and as for Mephilies, i proposed making him a clone that leaned into his alien dna. I told him " throw in the new abilities from Generations which for the most part are counters to Shadows Chaos powers could be this his abilities. " I suggest to change his name to Dark the Hedgehog, untill he would transform and take the nsme Mephilies. Id never heard of this guy in this video until now.

[@theshenpartei]

I wonder would this character work in the game or movie

[@kingwavy6338]

Lmao shadow didn’t get a boost of popularity shadow is popular that’s why the brought him to the movies

[@The_Mem]

Is there proof he was supposed to be revived mephiles ? Becuase there was plans with blaze to have him return as a completely seprate cherecter called null at exsactly atound the same time and that would just be strange to have to sepr3plans for his return at the same point in the comic

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@The_Mem Got the info from Ian’s Bumblekast! There’s a link to the specific episode in the description.

[@windydx80085]

Okay now make the Silver Age video

[@oscarkambouris2212]

Let's be real Sega problaly could just get Eclipse and the other post reboot characters without much hasle really

[@bottomtext593]

There IS a lot of hassle because of this stingy, goofy snake called Ken Penders.

[@oscarkambouris2212]

@@bottomtext593 why would he care?

[@bottomtext593]

@@oscarkambouris2212 He owns a lot of the material from the Archie Comics and he's the type of guy to go "My OC Do Not Steal"

[@oscarkambouris2212]

@@bottomtext593 But... Why would he say that about Ian's characters Ken never worked on the reboot archie, so really Sega can get Ian's character as well as the redone version like Breezie and Honey. To sumerise. Ken can't cailm character he never was involed in making.

[@bottomtext593]

@@oscarkambouris2212 Oh yeah I forgot he wrote up to 2006. If that's the case there MIGHT be hope. But it's still unlikely

[@Sthenic02]

Haven’t been a fan in years I remember both IDW and Archie running Sonic comics at the same time so why did Archie and Sega fall out?

[@ashesGeek]

The contract has ended and both Sega and Archie were lazy to renew it, that's how they abruptly killed 25 year long comic run.

[@bronykingamethystrain5676]

I'm Starting to think Archie stole the name Eclipse from someone's OC, Specifically NeoEclipse's Eclipse-00 the Echidna.

[@Bloodmoondemon-k4n]

Eclipse should’ve been one of the bosses In sonic X shadow generations

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

Nah save him for the next Shadow game with Black Death too. I’d also like it to be a loose adaptation of Shadow Fall and Total Eclipse.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I always thought Eclipse was a great villain.

[@Sairtul]

What’s the original?

[@om58499]

1:54 2:33 2:52

[@juanyz5351]

i still dont understand why chaos wont get out of the master emerald each time its in danger, it is supposed to be the guardian of the chaos and the master emerald... but knuckles just, breaks it like nothing, and everyone steals it. So... whats the true point of chaos?

[@ArchieSonicLore]

Actually, Chaos does leave the Emerald during the Shattered World Crisis! it’s been a minute since I’ve read his issues, but he does help out Sonic and the Freedom Fighters at one point.

[@juanyz5351]

@@ArchieSonicLore so hes away from the chaos emerald? uhmmm well i guess he deserves some vacations..

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@juanyz5351It’s in the Waves of Change arc where Chaos shows up! That’ll be Archie Sonic issues 260-263

[@ShadowmanDan]

Didn’t he die in the games

[@Sacrefiied]

I just wish he had a nose.

[@Only_Some]

I think Shadow is a yellow blur but you do you man if you want to call The blur black you call black I'm not going to get mad over you for being color blind But like I said just for correction Shadow moves so fast that he is a yellow blur not a black blur just for clarification

[@TevyaSmolka]

Honestly eclipse is a meh villain in my opinion

[@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu]

Fr bro fr

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@AhmedSahraoui-ii9pu indeed

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

To each their own, I think he’s cool

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew I can understand that and honestly I am glad you liked eclipse as a villain for shadow the hedgehog more then I did.

[@dawidjanik545]

He should have been in Generations

[@125friends8]

Ken penders really ruined everything, didn't he?

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@125friends8 Actually, Ken’s involvement with the franchise had ended after the lawsuit, and Eclipse was created after it, so Ken has no ties to him whatsoever. It’s just a matter of SEGA not wanting to use ANY Archie material aside from small nods(like the Gun Commander’s name.)

[@SuperFreddy64-mp5ew]

@@ArchieSonicLore Black Death and Eclipse The Darkling could be canonized with a third Shadow game in the future, but I won’t get my hopes up 😅.

[@draggo69]

[@Lucario4thewin]

Archie comics aren't canon.

[@ArchieSonicLore]

@@Lucario4thewin never said they were!

[@leonarddugas6055]

If they bring eclipse back or if they have a replacement character it will more than likely will be female and would also brainwash Shadow or Rouge to get what they want