In this video, we look at Shadow The Hedgehog from Sonic The Hedgehog.
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@SaiyanScholar8 күн бұрын
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@The-Last-Prime4 жыл бұрын
He never found that DAMN fourth Chaos Emerald. That's what the hell happened.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@The-Last-Prime4 жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar Good job on the video, man. Shadow is my favorite character in the franchise and I do love the development he got in SA2 and even in Heroes. And while I am a fan of the Shadow game cause of nostalgia, I can see the points people bring up about it doing a 180 on his previous character development.
@kachanphoenix944 жыл бұрын
all i have to say to that is.... Y E S
@BardockSkywalker4 жыл бұрын
It's Really Sad That The Last Game His Character Was Well Writen Was In *Sonic 06* Of All Titles! The Same Goes For Team Dark As A Whole
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@BardockSkywalker4 жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar IKR, TNM Said That In His Video About Vegeta's Role As An Anti Hero, If U Want To Make An Anti Hero Sympathetic Despite His Actions & Actually Give Them A Reason For Y They Do What They Do, Early Shadow Was That, Yeah, In Most Of SA2, He Was. A Treath & Actually An Enemy, But When U Consider His Past, His Memories Being Bended A Bit While He Was In His Slumber (Mainly His Promise To Maria) *&* Consider How Important Maria Was To Him... *NO SHIT* He Would Do Something Like That In SA2, *No Shit* He Would Want Revenge! So What's His Excuse For Being An Edgelord Jackass In Shadow The Hedgehog *& Specially* Sonic Boom?! What's *That* Shadow's Excuse For Acting Like That?! So When I Say Shadow Is A Vegeta Is Less *"He's Sonic's Rival"* & More *"He Did Bad Things, Yes, But Considering What He's Been Through & What Happened To Him, It's Understandable Y He Did It",* Unlike STH Shadow & Boom Shadow Who R Dickish Rivals & Nothing Else
@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
"Forces" at least mellowed him out a bit. Shame its wasted effort there.
@Prince-Shogun4 жыл бұрын
I'm sick of shadow being portrayed as a Vegeta the hedgehog character! He admitted that Sonic was the ultimate life form! Which means he said Sonic was stronger than him, and he was ok with it! And so Sonic and Shadow had respect for each other! Shadow even was a mentor figure to Silver the hedgehog in 06! Shadow being a edgelord! Is a slap to the face of the fans and the character Shadow the hedgehog!
@_Tzer4 жыл бұрын
the fangame sonic 2020: maybe
@MrSai-mn8wz4 жыл бұрын
SA2 shadow: noooo you cant just be edgy and go killing everyone you see STH shadow: haha shooty pew pew go damn
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ghostofsilence26974 жыл бұрын
Yeah except all the enemies (whether theyre GUN soldiers, mechs, robots, demons, or alien) you shoot either have guns, swords or deadly powers of their own and are trying very hard to kill you. Its not like hes shooting a bunch of unarmed innocent civilians. And hes not the only sonic character to use weapons. Sonic uses a sword at one point and tails uses both rockets (in game from his mech) and a laser pistol (in some of the comics), amy uses a big ass hammer, omega uses chainguns that fire bullets, blaze can burn her enemies alive, rouge uses bombs or mines. So how is it somehow okay for all the other characters to use weapons or powers to kill theur enemies but not shadow? You see the inconsistency here?
@urtooslow44154 жыл бұрын
Lol I agree with you on that
@imanobody79114 жыл бұрын
And then there's the 2010's Shadow that has no personality and is the blandest (is that a word?) character in the frenchise
@SolemnLamenting4 жыл бұрын
@@MVShadow-ke2ho i like ur pfp
@omnisystem60304 жыл бұрын
He’s not edgy he’s just a depressed good boi
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@omnisystem60304 жыл бұрын
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@thedust06224 жыл бұрын
A hedge lord?wtf does it mean
@sonicsucks202 жыл бұрын
Hes edgy but in a fun way.
@Coolgamer..2 жыл бұрын
Shadow was amazing because of his backstory and development and not being edgy.
@JourneyFontenot4 жыл бұрын
I really wish the franchise would have stuck with the Adventure "formula", there's a reason so many fans regard those games as the best. Shadow was dark but not "edgy" and had a reason to be the way he was, a decent but not overwhelming amount of characters, etc
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
agreed
@Whocares1583 жыл бұрын
Honestly the adventure era was Sonic at his peek. Nowadays... ummm?
@GeteMachine3 жыл бұрын
Batman is the better example of a dark themed character that isnt edgy or bitter, just literally working from the shadows but moral and compassionate if not more so than Superman at times.
@phootaphan91662 жыл бұрын
@@GeteMachine Yeah, Shadow really should have been more the Batman to Sonic's Superman, instead of the Vegeta to Sonic's Goku. He never had Vegeta's inferiority complex about someone potentially being stronger than him either, the whole Vegeta thing just weakens his character.
@lordsongoku50078 ай бұрын
Shadow the hedgehog is a unique character in all aspects, his life is incredible, the perfect way of life but if the prodigy failed, greetings Saiyan Scholar
@simpgod2170Ай бұрын
Shadow character has improved with shadow gen, and idw
@Omega-jg4oq4 жыл бұрын
Shadow of Sonic 06 Is literally the best version of Shadow, he acts or looks like Batman or Agent Man and ready to get the job done, and all of his speeches are just amazing and specially his fights against Mephiles
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@HareemByron4 жыл бұрын
I also think Shadow of Sonic 06 is also the best version of Shadow but not just on how his character is represented but even his gameplay. I just love the fact I can use Shadow's chaos powers and how he plays like Sonic but has other elements that make him unique and different from the blue blur
@sumnahlennon45164 жыл бұрын
I think it's his second best portrayal after SA2. It's a shame it's been his last good portrayal in the series.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@HareemByron exactly I love how they gave Shadow his own unique powers and abilities while still retaining Sonic's speed and skill
@DarkFrozenDepths4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, SA2 Shadow was presented better. S06 did present him well (and showed he was one of the few characters that actually used their brain), but it wasn't perfect. Still, credit where it's due, given that's one of the few things S06 tried to get right and for the most part did....
@albireotheredguard15994 жыл бұрын
Honestly surprised you didn't say, "What caused this character to become a *Shadow* of his former self?"
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
true
@chickenbonesucker14294 жыл бұрын
its real *shady* that he didnt say that
@albireotheredguard15994 жыл бұрын
@@chickenbonesucker1429 Eyyyyy!👉👉
@chickenbonesucker14294 жыл бұрын
@@albireotheredguard1599 eyyyyy 😎 ya like my *shades?*
@albireotheredguard15994 жыл бұрын
@@chickenbonesucker1429 Love um!
@chriss.2494 жыл бұрын
4:58 Funny how the WORST sonic game has the best character moments and shows them at their STRONGEST in terms of power. Solaris is easily the strongest of the beings they faced so far. Arguably time eater counts too but still.
@KLUCZESIA4 жыл бұрын
actually Time Eater was close to Solaris, but the real second place goes to Dark Gaya.
@notenoughgarlic4 жыл бұрын
06 isn’t even that bad, it’s just popular to make fun of. Shitty lost world and boom are a million times worse. Plus, 06 still took the series seriously. Those other games are when it was turned into a stupid ass cartoon with awful writing.
@_Tzer4 жыл бұрын
solaris required 3 supers the only other one was metal overlord and he had the data of everyone and chaos. so... theres your list.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Adam Bishop exactly. 06 may have had horrible gameplay but the story was good, the characters were written pretty well and the music was AMAZING. If Sega had more time to develop the game 06 would’ve been a masterpiece
@jordancromwell4 жыл бұрын
Rise of Lyric: Am I a joke to you?
@edgelord83374 жыл бұрын
Shadow was made in a way that made him the perfect foil to sonic. Shadow had an entire character arc in just one game and Sega went to extra mile to make him more and more as a person in heroes and in the mediocre shadow the hedgehog game. But after 06 he became a meme. A joke. He's just edgy for the sake of being edgy and just doesn't have a personality besides snarky remarks and just being a jerk. The idw comics really did a good job on him but it just seems that after shadow the hedgehog Sega truly just stopped caring about their characters and just had them be sonics buddies. Man shadow used to be so cool.
@roastsepic39554 жыл бұрын
You’re everywhere o-o
@superbodoque78604 жыл бұрын
Plz mr edgelord stop following me
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Cool comment! 👊🏻
@edgelord83374 жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar thank you.
@smashmaster5214 жыл бұрын
That's a funny way of saying Archie. Granted, IDW Shadow's botched characterization isn't Ian Flynn's fault, but it is infuriating that SEGA insists on making Shadow a poor man's version of the old Vegeta.
@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
"Sonic Adventure 2" and "Sonic '06" did Shadow grand work making him his own being, "Shadow The Headgehog" provided good lore (Albeit mangled and spread out...), "Sonic Heroes" at least kept him a little more mellow and snarky, and everything with Team Dark is still gold. All that said, he's become nothing of note nowadays. I don't even know *why* he's Sonic's rival: Did they just forget Metal?
@idontknowwhattoputhere70174 жыл бұрын
I think sega forgot that metal sonic is the true rival to sonic
@STikER3264 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider "Shadow the Hedgehog" lore to be good. They completely botched the original vision of Shiro Maekawa (writer of SA2, Heroes and (mostly) '06 stories) and replaced it with Takashi Iizuka's fanfiction. Also, it's sad no one mentions Sonic Battle as a good example of Shadow's character. It truly expands on the story established in SA2.
@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
@@STikER326 I know fairly little about those. Main thing I remember is Eggman Nega was involved, and Metal was Shadow's sidekick after a point... Or was that another one?
@STikER3264 жыл бұрын
@@Umbra_Ursus The one you're talking about is Sonic Rivals 2. Sonic Battle's plot is about a robot named Emerl, who has been trained throughout the story by most of the main Sonic cast, including Shadow.
@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
@@STikER326 Oh, that one! I know a bit more there: Chaos showed up for a random boss fight, Emerl wound up as Gemerl, and now lives with Cream and Vanilla.
@Bacon64474 жыл бұрын
Finally the ULTIMATE Sonic video we needed
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy! 👊🏻
@yashirotheultimateseraphim45214 жыл бұрын
Vegeta called he said he wants his hair back
@rogeriokalk73964 жыл бұрын
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@itsjojohnnyyyy4 жыл бұрын
Shadow in the Adventure era/Dark age was just an introverted teenager that had big shoes to fill and only had 2 friends that truely suported him in his crusade to turn the world a better place in Maria's honor Meta era Shadow is an angst teenager that takes advantages of everybody and thinks he is the best thing that ever stepped on Earth
@tjlnintendo4 жыл бұрын
I had this idea that I wished was canon. IMO, I think Shadow should have died in SA2, but I could see why he was brought back. However, I think there is a possible compromise. What if Shadow really did die in SA2? And the shadow that we see post SA2 is just a clone made by Robotnik, hence why he was in Eggman’s base in Sonic Heroes. Maybe Shadow the Hedgehog could have expanded on this. Eventually, leading to a story moment where Shadow finally accepts his existence as a clone, but finds a way to cope with it. That cope being able to do the one thing the real one wasn’t able to..... to continue living and following his own path regardless of his clone origins.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@brandonprater46134 жыл бұрын
... I'd watch/play/read that!
@xprojectsa36274 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure sonic heroes said shadow was a clone and that he accepted that as you play through the team dark story
@_Tzer4 жыл бұрын
@@xprojectsa3627 he isnt dialogue in the devil doom fight confirms it.
@xprojectsa36274 жыл бұрын
@@_Tzer ah I see my apologies
@justoneherofortheworld6674 жыл бұрын
Sonic from the top of the mountain: it's lonely up here, I miss the days when others were here too. And its cold up here as well. Sonic sit's lonely at the top with only a bonfire keeping him warm, poor thing.
@DemonDethchase4 жыл бұрын
To think with Forces instead of that... THING we could have had Tails and the others playable. Either on set stages for each character, or being able to select which character you wanted on those stages that weren't Sonic's. Plus it'd make the whole friendship talk feel abit more genuine to have his actual friends by his side, and not some random, no name Joe who he's only known for 5 minutes and will never be seen again. God I hate Forces, especially with what it did to Tails, and not actually letting him do anything besides being a tool to make Classic Sonic look strong. It's been 14 years since Sonic 06 and I think we are long overdue the other characters to be playable again in a mainline 3D Sonic game, beyond the once in a blue (outsourced) moon moments like Boom and Mania. End Sonic or bust and bring back the other characters!
@D00DM00D4 жыл бұрын
Sonic being the only character of his franchise in Smash be like:
@kodyrowe-manns63603 жыл бұрын
@@D00DM00D shadow: but I'm here t- Every sonic fan ever: *no*
@roytheboi82404 жыл бұрын
My Favorite part about Shadow's 06 story was when he went to the past with Silver and was almost a mentor figure to him, Imagine if in the games or a side story in comics where Silver grows from his naive self to a much wiser character and Shadow allows himself to be more vulnerable. (I get that Silver being naive is part of his character btw)
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Agreed Sega should've kept this idea in later games and made Shadow a mentor to Silver
@sonicsucks202 жыл бұрын
Shadow was never a mentor to Silver.
@southerncoastproductions7587 Жыл бұрын
@@sonicsucks20 get mental assistance.
@adriannaranjo43974 жыл бұрын
The same thing that happened with most Sonic characters unfortunately Shadow had a deep, conflicted motivation that gave him an air of mystique and his vengeful attitude made him a great foil to Sonic. Then when he was revived with a more angsty and aimless direction it, like you said, killed his momentum. He became one note and more or less a punchline by the fans until it spilled over to the games. Now he's just an edgy pallete swapped Sonic. Like now how Amy is just the "obsessive fangirl" or Tails is the "kiddy tech specialist" - just caricatures of their basic traits when they all have much more to them
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
Better than Metal or Chaos. Metal hasn't actually appeared since one of the Rider games (I think...), and Chaos has just become fond memory at this point. Nevermind Sega seemingly being bent on making Zavok popular.
@smashmaster5214 жыл бұрын
@@Umbra_Ursus To be fair, Zavok is the best member of the Deadly Six. Granted, that's only because he actually has a personality, generic as it may be.
@Umbra_Ursus4 жыл бұрын
@@smashmaster521 True, true.
@antifascistamerican37824 жыл бұрын
Fladerization
@ahmadkazan79944 жыл бұрын
I want real sonic writing,seriously,lighthearted or edgy,just good writing,seriously the WRITERS said they don't care about the series,why the HELL are they still here?Is sega afraid they will sue them like Ken penders did?
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@Hamb0-r3aL3 жыл бұрын
Ya do realize that there were different writers when 2010's came around right cause the original writer wanted to keep writing for Sonic game's but Sega fired him for fucking idiots that don't give a shit about the franchise and want a paycheck because you know what went down after Sonic 06 buddy.
@radicallaruby4 жыл бұрын
The director of SA2 stated that he would have had Shadow pretty much roam the earth helping others in service and honor of Maria. Unlike, Sonic who helps when he sees someone in trouble, but is usually just seeking adventure, Shadow is out there LOOKING for people to help. Archie comics and even Sonic Battle, a goddamned fighting game handled him very well. Him trying not to see himself as a weapon and convincing the likes of E-102 Gamma, Omega, to built a team to save people and make the world better. In Sonic Battle, he tells him he is more than a weapon and can live his life as a sentient being. If anything, that comes across almost more heroic than Sonic himself. His relationship with Rouge and Omega, although started situationally, evolved to what we saw in 06, where they actually look and feel like friends. But nope, can't have that. Gotta keep that Super Hedgehog bargain sale going (not that I hate Silver, but still)...
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
agreed, Shadow back in the 2000's was arguably more heroic than Sonic. And you do a good job of describing Shadow's and Sonic's personality differences that set them apart
@ale-xsantos10784 жыл бұрын
In defense of SMBZ: Shadow acted that way there because Mecha Sonic had killed both Rouge and Omega so he was desperate to avenge them and prevent any other person from becoming Mecha Sonic's next victim. We can see that in EP 8 when he lashes out and Sonic tries to get through him to the point he's on verge of crying, with flashbacks of what happened. In the clip of the never finished EP 9 Shadow also regrets leaving Sonic's group and how he acted, but tries to put that behind in order to face Mecha Sonic. Alvin also said that he wish he made Shadow look less edgy than he did in the series and that in the remake(if he does make the remake) he wants to correct that.
@greenguardian58454 жыл бұрын
Characters In-Depth made a pretty similar analysis on shadow's character on him not being an edge lord and did came to a similar-ish conclusion on how sega ruined his character
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@teamdracoleaf95034 жыл бұрын
Umm... I don't get that reply?
@greenguardian58454 жыл бұрын
@@teamdracoleaf9503 A youtuber called Characters In-Depth made a video about how shadow isn't an edgy hedgehog and came to a similar conclusion like saiyan scholar. Just incase the first words in my sentence didn't make sense
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@greenguardian5845 true its called Shadow the Hedgehog ain't an edgelord. It's a great video
@greenguardian58454 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 agreed
@MegaExo4 жыл бұрын
Shadow is the prince of all hedgehogs! But for real, I agree with what you said. Shadow is just a shadow of Shadow.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@007themaskedgamer74 жыл бұрын
Sonic Boom Shadow was a complete Saturation
@cheek36644 жыл бұрын
Shadow is just the "dark" character archetype that survived for more than two games. Change my mind.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
And only that.
@ahmadkazan79944 жыл бұрын
And what is sadder is he wasn't supposed to be like that,and the fact that he survived more than 2 games is sad too,write him well or let him die.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@ahmadkazan7994 exactly just write him well or keep him consistent. Archie comics did Shadow justice. He's a really nice guy in those comics
@sonicsucks202 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 A good Shadow should not be only a nice guy.
@donathan29332 жыл бұрын
@@sonicsucks20 you get my point. He’s nice without feeling too soft and sentimental. And he still feels in character
@biodock20034 жыл бұрын
I don’t think Sega even cares sadly. They have no passion in Sonic anymore they just use that franchise to milk money
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Either that or the whiny critics and fanboys warped Sega's perception on how Sonic should be portrayed
@freyaljones73684 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 what do you think about idw and shadow and do you prefer Archie or idw
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@freyaljones7368 I prefer Archie Shadow cuz he's far more nicer and heroic but IDW Shadow is alright he gettin there
@freyaljones73684 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 ahh so they are building his character do you think the mandates exist
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@freyaljones7368 well in the Zombot saga of IDW Sonic Shadow pulled a whole Vegeta and fought abunch of infected ppl cuz he thought running was for cowards like Sonic, and according to the writers mandates forced him to act this way. But in the recent issue Shadow's a lot nicer and actually saved Sonic
@mjefferson32234 жыл бұрын
I think shadow should have been a one and done character. Since he came back Sonic team has no idea how to use him properly
@jordancromwell4 жыл бұрын
He actually WAS suppose to be a one and done character. Then when Heroes was in development he was brought back because of how popular Shadow was by the fans
@rynobehnke82894 жыл бұрын
See I disagree with you here as this would eccentrically just be throwing potential way out of fear that the Character gets ruined latter on. Beside SA2 already took way to much of SA1's plot elements for it self and so also copying Gamma's permanent Death for Shadow always felt kinda cheap to me. Beside I often hear people talk about Shadow but hardly ever anyone about how SA2 in general tried to pretend it never happened with Rouge wanting to go into retirement, Eggman wanting to go back to doing things him self and leaving his Grand father in the past and the big finally in space undoing all of GUN's wants to hunt Sonic. And Yet no one complains about Rouge still being around doing stuff or Gerald being every now and than used as a plot element (like in Rivals 2 or Battle). Its all about Shadow for some odd reasons.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@rynobehnke8289 I agree Sega could've brought Shadow back and develop his character FURTHER, making him a respected grim hero and ally of Sonic
@freyaljones73683 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 i hope the idw shasow can develope into his heroic personality and if sega cant do that well they willnlose customers because people love shadow not fir being an 1 dimensional edge lord but for being a kind heroic stoic person with a 3d back story
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 they did tho. STH and 06 actually expanded his character really well.
@Wren41234 жыл бұрын
I also needed a good dose of "WHY HAS ______ BECOME A DISGRACE!"
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha injection complete
@matthew14204 жыл бұрын
Trailing off from shadow, I have to admit that I never really was happy with the direction the franchise took after unleashed. Believe it or not, I always loved this game. It's been done to death that this game is the worst in the franchise when that title should go to any one of the 2010 games excluding mania. Generations, lost world, colors, and forces are pretty bad games in my book because they took away what made sonic unique. So with all the characters being dumbed down and given the spotlight for fan appeal, it will never amount to previous era's of sonic. A lot of fans tend to forget that Sega's sonic was their answer to Nintendo's mario. While sonic is cool and gritty, mario is innocent and colorful. The list goes on. Everyone saying that it's just a fast blue anthropomorphic hedgehog fighting an egg shaped moron really shows the bias some people have towards sonic because he's so much more than that. Everyone often forgets that in a short summary, it's a battle of nature against technology. Sonic practically brought on the trope "cartoon character, serious world". I'm not saying the franchise should have hyper edge, just an exact amount meshed together with lighthearted moments, because the series knew when to balance out it's comedic moments and more serious one's. I want an engaging sonic story. It doesn't always have to be dark and certainly not funny, just engaging. A lot of people give me flack for saying I like the comics and satam cartoon.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Agree after the 2000's everything truly went to shit, before this yes Sonic had road bumps here but they were never truly permanent and could never kill of the progression and development of the franchise. Arguably the 2010's have dug Sonic in a massive whole that's gonna be tough for him to get out of
@RaptorSauceH2 жыл бұрын
I love the comics for that format. Like IDW is doing a fantastic job but the elements in the Archie comics were just better
@gigi_10154 жыл бұрын
Seeing these types of videos breaks my heart because shadow has always been my number one favourite character. He deserves better. 🙁
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
agreed. The recent years have not been kind to him
@blacorotjuniors32824 жыл бұрын
I get it now the greatest villain of all characters is marketing
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@silverknights44424 жыл бұрын
When I first saw part 3 of JoJo I always compared Jotaro to Shadow not because he was edgy, but because they both don’t to show much emotion but they still care about other people and saving others.
@ADragonNerd4 жыл бұрын
Actually early Naruto had Sasuke cool. He was a dark and depressed hero. Someone who pushed himself away from others because he didn't want to get attached to others because he doesn't want to see anyone close to him die ever again. Sasuke was originally also like Batman until he went crazy in Shippuden
@andrependleton72424 жыл бұрын
Shadow was my second favorite character in the Sonic franchise. And this video made me wished that he was better represented in future games instead of just being just some character in the sidelines. To me, he's pretty much an antihero. Excellent video.👌
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@tidepoolclipper86574 жыл бұрын
People act like Pontac and Graf are the sole problem with the writing in the series. When in actuality, they are only part of it. Sonic Forces; especially the infamous treatment of Tails, was mainly written by Sega of Japan. Heck, even before 2010, you get a sense that they didn't know what do with characters like Shadow or Rouge anymore after Sonic 06.
@Dalvory4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the majority of this video, but I don't think it was a bad idea to bring Shadow back. It's just how they brought him back that was the issue. There was still so much potential in him as a character. And no, Shadow being violent, doing things his own way, and seeking revenge when he sees fit isn't uncharacteristic of him. Sonic is optimistic, where as Shadow is cynical. More grounded in reality than Sonic. He is the depressing reality of every situation. He is the result of somebody after knowing great and traumatic loss.
@OatmealTheCrazy4 жыл бұрын
I'd say Shadow is almost an anti-vegeta. Vegeta started pretty much just pure evil and not much else in the beginning. Then he eventually grew to have a life and friends. He's still gruff and rude, but he does care about others and even is willing to degrade himself or admit his shortcomings to save others. Shadow kinda started at the end of that arc and then tended towards the beginning
@sboinkthelegday38924 жыл бұрын
You're onto something. After Sonic 06 the devs clearly wanted to make it into this Mickey Mouse franchise where you can just take a character that exists in a vacuum and make a nice, simple one-off story. This means that sonic canon is effectively finished, they have no interest in keeping up with a single continuity, and what this means for Shadow is that he is now permanently at the beginning of his arc in SA2, not the end of it. Everything that comes now is alternate options to what happened in the SA era, not something following it. The problem with fanon is that fans keep wanting characters to exist at their apex, like an old man on his death bed with life already finished and nothing to look forward to, so that the fan can be an observer and gush about what a respectable life that was. This leads to constant disappointment or inevitable disappointment, because there simply is no more story to tell and the character is only liked as the vacuum-sealed version of itself, whose story was already told. Some people pose the solution that Shadow should have died in SA2, but that doesn't change the fact they would still complain about Sonic now being what it is anyway. I mean, Chip came and went in his own game exactly that way, but that didn't solve anything with Sonic's PR problems.
@hihi-nm3uy4 жыл бұрын
how i'd have written shadow: 1.) sorry, but i would have personally brought him back - promise i'll treat him properly 2.) next game; sonic heroes - i like what was done with him. he wasn't above smiling and having friendly competition with sonic, yet kept the attitude, introversion and subdued nature that made himself, himself. it built team dark and i think that's perfect. i would have it so offscreen or during the game they do tell shadow about his past, and maybe not have him run around trying to figure it out- and rather spend his time bonding with team dark 3.) sonic battle was nice to shadow, but he was convinced he was a 'weapon of war' - making heroes very redundant. i would omit that whole plotline and give him some other way to relate to gemerl, and get involved with the story 4.) shadow the hedgehog game - black doom comes down; cast members take on the black arms (yes, *including* shadow. maybe that's when he joins gun) - maybe after the first game black doom approaches shadow and gives him a tempting proposition. shadow maybe takes on a bit of a flat arc, where he influences the world around him (like black knight maybe), levels perhaps based on helping people against black arms, with the end goal of collecting the emeralds to take out black doom - not a developmental arc for shadow, but rather evidencing how much growth he'd made, and that he was never going to fold to black doom - black doom plants the seeds of doubt in shadow's head that humanity will exterminate him, just as he did to him, to lead onto 06. perhaps have GUN and other humans evidencing the fear mephiles speaks of 5.) 06 - yeah keep that shit the same bro. only difference is, now shadow can think back to STH to validate mephiles' claims 6.) after 06, shadow has grown fully - he's confident in humanity and in himself - and knows that he'll fight for what he believes in regardless of his opposition. if i'm being honest, that's the best sendoff for the character. shadow doesn't really need to be a major part of any stories after that; playing his role as a GUN agent. he can definitely still be playable, just not a locus point. e.g, maybe unleashed wouldn't have him playable, but he is mentioned once - so maybe show the effect dark gaia is having on the rest of the world?
@sonic59934 жыл бұрын
I actually have something of an explanation for this, though I don't think everyone is going to like it. Tolerance. In the sense of building up a tolerance to a drug. Your character starts off with some trait or quirk, they're cocky or short tempered or smart or whatever, and at first it's all fresh and new (relatively speaking) because the audience is still learning the specifics of the characters, their world, their relationships, etc. But as they keep being exposed to the same "level" of that trait, they build up a tolerance to it. You expect the cocky character to crack wise, the short tempered character to start a fight, the smart character to say some technobabble and build things, so it stops being as exciting. So the writers crank it up a bit, the cocky character's even cockier than you thought, the smart guy is even more brilliant. But then the audience acclimates to that, and you're back to the same problem, so what do you do? You crank the knob again. As you lean on and exaggerate the trait more and more, it can begin to overtake the character's identity. Personally I feel like the accusation gets thrown around a little too often, though. There's a time for subtlety and more down-to-earth characters, but it's not inherently wrong to go big and let characters have their extremes (both positive and negative) either, depending on the kind of story. It's easy to claim Flanderization if a character ends up being taken in a direction you don't want, that emphasizes traits you don't like. So Shadow changed because I feel like Sega were beginning to run out of ideas on what to do with him, and since he was obviously too popular to drop, they just cranked up the edge to help keep him relevant. For newer players, it's fine since they don't have to look at a game from over 15 years ago to understand who Shadow is, but it sucks for older fans who grew up with the character and have to watch him be morphed into a simplified, and parody version of themself. Its a times changing thing sadly, it sucks, but it is what it is.
@KaiserMattTygore9274 жыл бұрын
"I am the ultimate of ALL lifeforms" - Prince Shadow
@bisexualichigo42274 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about your Sonic videos the other day. I had thought you didn’t wanna do them anymore.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
I got loads more!
@FrostTheHobidon4 жыл бұрын
I been waiting for this to happen and thank your for making this
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@TheRealDustinNunn4 жыл бұрын
Shadow the Hedgehog needs to go through a classic-style reboot and appear in the Classic Sonic Era Sonic games.
@donovanjr2844 жыл бұрын
Nope
@user-qp5yu1zq1m4 жыл бұрын
No.
@TheRealDustinNunn4 жыл бұрын
@@donovanjr284 Yes.
@TheRealDustinNunn4 жыл бұрын
@@user-qp5yu1zq1m Yes.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealDustinNunn Agreed, he should be in Sonic Mania
@sleepy91024 жыл бұрын
Lol classic shadow in the thumbnail is so cute.
@madsn27244 жыл бұрын
As much as I loved him in heroes with finding out who he is, his character was build on his redemption and death. If he hadn't died in SA2, we wouldn't be memorable to this extend. It's like when Vader killed the emperor. If he had survived it, his character wouldn't be as good. It is the ultimate selflessness and sacrifice that make them worth remembering.
@mustachetwirler76174 жыл бұрын
Sonic: “Ha! I found you, FAKER!” Bootleg Shadow: “Faker? I think you’re the fake hedgehog around here! You’re comparing yourself to the likes of me! HA! You’re not even good enough to be my fake-“ Sonic: “Oh, no-no-no! I wasn’t referring you to be my fake! I mean to say I found you, SHADOW-FAKER! Because the real Shadow has long since been DEAD!” Bootleg Shadow: “...Damn fourth chaos emeralds...”
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
you mean Boom Shadow 🤣
@mustachetwirler76174 жыл бұрын
Do Nathan Boom Shadow and Bootleg are the same thing to me.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@mustachetwirler7617 oh good cuz Boom Shadow is the one and true *DISGRACE* to Shadow's character
@mustachetwirler76174 жыл бұрын
Do Nathan Boom Shadow is fucking TREASON upon everything that Shadow the Hedgehog stood for. Generally I don’t link posts I did from deviantart here, but I wrote in the description of my Sonic Character Tier List Part 2 why I fucking despise Boom Shadow even more than Princess Elise and Chris Thorndyke. www.deviantart.com/mustache-twirler/art/Sonic-Tier-List-Part-2-846789667
@Umbra_Okkotsu4 жыл бұрын
Literally my thoughts exactly. I'm glad to be reading the comics that he's featured in but like i want them to stop using him as some power scaling measure for the villains to signify the threat. So annoying:/
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
exactly Shadow's the Ultimate Lifeform, not some living punching used to measure how powerful the villains are! Treat him with the respect and power he deserves. This is the guy who fought and arguably beat Mephiles who is half of a fucking Son God!
@freyaljones73683 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 have u notice these cheap scripts and stories only happened since takeshi lizuka became in charge and he didnt like shadow becoming more popular then sonic , I prefer Yuji naka and shro maekawa and naoto oshima to write the sonic stories and back then sonic didnt have the msndates they only came sinse takeshi came to power
@Nice_Person73794 жыл бұрын
I liked 06 shadow the best. It was fully developed. Even if it is like batman, sa2 was like that too (but not too much). While sa2 shadow is confused, 06 shadow knows what he is going to do in the end. When he storms through Mephiles with his rings off
@freyajones97484 жыл бұрын
Great video I’m happy you made this video
@strengthcolossal55382 жыл бұрын
*Vegeta:* YA VETE DEL CYBER!
@_Tzer4 жыл бұрын
yall remember when shadow called sonic the ultimate lifeform
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
no one does because it's been over a DECADE since Shadow was well portrayed as a serious but kind hero who does great heroic acts but never stays too social but still has friends and a planet he's willing to protect
@zdenshadowdragonbyzideodi88194 жыл бұрын
Fans use Chaos control to warp his character back to normal in the Sonic Infinity Engine.
@Kira-exo Жыл бұрын
I always thought shadow personally sorta reminds me of archer from fate
@acejumper16816 ай бұрын
Shadow's comeback is imminent.
@keviscool4 жыл бұрын
They way he’s portrayed in the sonic twitter takeover events is great
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
yeah he's still a bit edgy but he's woke and gives some real life morals we can all take into consideration. Plus Shadow can be positive at times
@onyxwolfreaper212 жыл бұрын
From a tragic noble hero to a stupid stereotypical edge lord
@ale-xsantos10784 жыл бұрын
I think the concept of him having a """gun""" could've been okay if it was just the alien weapons that the Black Arms used, sorta like Halo. First because it would make sense, what can a normal gun do for Shadow? Nothing, a bullet to a chaos spear is like a rock to a rocket launcher. Alien weapons meanwhile are supposed to be extremely advanced and able to atomize stuff, that's useful. Second because of the meaning, guns usually dont appear in the Sonic series and the one time one did it killed Maria, they're a symbol of absolute evil that I dont see Shadow using but that would make sense that the main villain would use something similar and try to convince Shadow that his weapon is "different" from the humans's to make him use it as part of his atempt of corrupting him. Third because the alien tech from Black Doom look kinda cartoonish, more artistically similar to other objects from the Sonic universe and concerned parents would be way less upset if Shadow was not holding something that looks like a real gun. And finally because it would look cool without making Shadow look even more like a edgelord after that game.
@lpfan44914 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I wish he had chaos spear outside of superform in his game. It could easily replace his completely useless airkick(at least the groundpunch can help destroy crates and stuff)
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@lpfan4491 true but Shadow did have a pretty diverse moveset in that game if we're being honest, and I liked that. A punch kick combo, Superhuman strength, Homing attack, Chaos spear and the light dash, weapons etc. It's better than Sonic Forces which makes him a LITERAL clone of Sonic
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
I think his gun usage was overall ok. He was in a dilemma with himself and really forgot who he was so it's not surprising he'd use a gun.
@freyaljones73682 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 shadow was with team dark in forces and he was a hero
@donathan29332 жыл бұрын
@@freyaljones7368 yes and although I enjoyed Shadow’s portrayal in Forces I didn’t like how he was a Sonic clone
@kerarin26383 жыл бұрын
Something from the current Shadow I really hate is the fact that he's so full of himself and thinks he's better than everyone else. Constantly saying "I'm the ulimate lifeform, you need to respect me!" and honestly, I have just entered the sonic fandom recently. So the first time I know Shadow is the current edgelord we know now. But after doing some research about him and watching analysis videos like this (this is very well done by the way!), I found myself to much rather prefered the old Shadow. Because a first glance of his design some people would think "Wow I bet his character is dark and edgy" (because of the black red pallete is automatically considered to be edgy now) which is somewhat a true statement to the current Shadow. But the past Shadow as I know is selfless; caring; humble; and kind, arguably something you wouldn't think of when seeing him for the first time. Also! Why did they make him think so little of his friends? As if other people are just a tool or an inconvenience to him. Even though he had really good chemistry with Rouge and Omega. Heck, he even had good chemistry with Sonic, seeing him as an equal and even had some friendly(?) rivalry banter with him. Now he just become this petty brat when he lost to him. Sega really did do him dirty :(
@maximoomega36914 жыл бұрын
Thanks for finally making my video idea 👍🏾
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
👊🏻 This was one requested by so many! I loved making this one. Enjoy!
@maximoomega36914 жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar 👊🏾
@eamonxl81834 жыл бұрын
“Where’s that DAMN fourth chaos emerald?”
@obd96604 жыл бұрын
It's funny how people say Shadow should've stayed dead, yet they don't want him killed off again. I don't understand
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
😔
@obd96604 жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanScholar I don't get that reply.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@obd9660 ppl who say Shadow should've been are ignorant as fuck. They say that because bringing back Shadow killed his character when it wasn't Shadow returning that ruined him it was Segas writers starting from 2010. Shadow is a guy who you don't just put in games just to sell copies because he's a popular character he's a guy who when put into a game must serve a purpose the story, be well portrayed and contribute to the plot in some way or the others. The games this decade didn't any of that so I can see why ppl are under the impression that bringing Shadow back ruined his character but if Sega is going to put Shadow in these games. The least they could do is keep his character consistent
@akiraevangelionultimateali51992 жыл бұрын
Knuckles= piccolo Shadow= vageta Metal sonic= Broly
@ZyrusSmith2 жыл бұрын
Metal Sonic is closer to Frieza.
@akiraevangelionultimateali519911 ай бұрын
@@BasedVegeta thanks
@joshuamartinpryce84244 жыл бұрын
I love shadow, i do appreciate shadow the hedgehog in all the games he is in. You are right in what you are trying to say, but i do love him as he is portrayed at the moment.
@PerryMcCall184 жыл бұрын
Kinda cool to seeing you discuss about Shadow's character after I've seen Chatacter In-Depth's take on him! I like seeing someone's opinion about this and finding out what they think and what differences are there between people. Also, Hedgehog Prince? You might as well call Shadow "A God Damn Vegeta"! XD Make no mistake, I do actually agree with that statement.
@piccolofan244 жыл бұрын
Shadow has been missing since 06. Since that game had its timeline erased, he’s been gone since SA2’s ending. I guess he really did die on the way to Earth. Now we got Vegeta. 🤷🏻♀️
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
ikr now we got dumbass DBZ Vegeta who possessed Shadow's mind and soul
@alicesacco932910 ай бұрын
The old Shadow. So melancholic yet there was still something, how to say? Blubby hidden under all that somberness. Part of his youthfulness that emerges the rare times he feels good.
@YuzuMelodious4 жыл бұрын
7:16 The accuracy is strong with this one.
@HeyItsFranklyn4 жыл бұрын
I swear Sega has murdered his character and only doubles down when people bring up.
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
👊🏻
@cookiekun75954 жыл бұрын
I feel like Sega made him the broken empty character he is today because so many people/fans said he was or should be. A lot of people called him "edge lord" and put him in the role of being a dickhead without understanding his actual character and the type of personality he carried. I'm so disheartened because I love Shadow so much but he is just getting torn down more and more.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Ruler Of Yore how do the Archie Sonic deal with Sonic characters better than Sega does!?
@cookiekun75954 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 because those comics were good before the.....incident.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@cookiekun7595 yup and even after the Ken Panders crap the comics still portrayed Shadow well
@gnarlyboyjai4 жыл бұрын
Shadow still a whole boss idgaf I’m a huge fan always will be
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
true but at least be aware of his flaws
@Jellyman43 жыл бұрын
Most people forget to mention how Sonic 06 was Shadow at some of his BEST
@Tarnthewarrior4 жыл бұрын
A family tree of shadow the hedgehog would be pretty odd, also i think the partnership between Omega and Shadow is pretty cool
@sayer41484 жыл бұрын
Shadow isn't a hedgehog prince, he's a Maverick Hunter. I mean come on; created by a mad scientist who originally wanted to make a hero before they went evil, started out as a bad guy but later became good, has a blue guy as his equal, stopped a colony from crashing on Earth and suffered from amnesia when he starred in his own game? Shadow the Hedgehog is actually Zero from Mega Man.
@Elohist20094 жыл бұрын
“I am the prince of all hedgehogs!”
@oswinvalle1958 Жыл бұрын
BIG BLAST ATTACK!!!!!!
@kingave644 жыл бұрын
In SA2 Shadow was cocky and had a good personality such as when he says “I’m the coolest.
@tajsingh20004 жыл бұрын
Shadow had a serious demeanor in which was what made him cool in my opinion
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@andrewd5139 Жыл бұрын
I honestly didn't mind shadows character in his game. The only thing wrong is how we portray his actions in his game. The mulitple endings was actually good in terms of a video game. The true ending at least had shadow getting some of his answers and putting his past behind him (again) to save the world once more for maria. His game was only edgy for bad words and guns. Remember without 05 shadow we couldn't get 06 shadow working with GUN.
@MrLaGzaLoT4 жыл бұрын
Sonic = Goku Shadow = Vegeta Silver = Trunks Knuckles = Piccolo Tails = Krillin Amy = Chi Chi Rouge = Bulma Blaze = Mai (Future) Big = Yajorobi Tikal = Dende Vector = Yamcha Espio = Tien Charmy = Chiaotzu Jet = Android 17 Wave = Android 18 Storm = Android 16 Eggman = Frieza Metal Sonic = Turles Chaos = Cell Mephiles = Goku Black Infinite = Fu *Edit: I know i missed some AND I know many might disagree but I tried my best because Sonic and DBZ are basically the same* 😂
@SaiyanScholar4 жыл бұрын
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@mjefferson32234 жыл бұрын
This is somewhat accurate
@smashmaster5214 жыл бұрын
Does that mean Espio is a GODDAMN ROLE MODEL?
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
true
@oswinvalle1958 Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie you are awesome in my opinion ok dbz and sonic are awesome vegeta and shadow are my favorite
@polygonail19783 жыл бұрын
I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog, but I understand it why you don't like it. But I hate it when people say that guns are too edgy for Sonic when in Sonic Adventure 1, Gamma's left hand is literally a gun, and that guns appear at the beggining of Sonic Adventure 1.
@polygonail19783 жыл бұрын
Also Shadow using a gun is edgy and dark, but Eggman pointing a gun to a 12 year old in front of her 8 year old friend is not edgy and not dark.
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
Most like STH and dont bash it qs much anymore. The canon parts of the game were great character development for him and the what ifs were fun if you dont take them seriously like you're suppose to. The edgy argument with it was really really dumb cause as you said guns where in the game before. Plus those humans he attacked were gun agents so some of it especially with his memory gone made sense for him to do.
@amberdolphin12104 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, I'm wondering why he's just a dummy in Sonic Boom.
@CyrilSmithVA4 жыл бұрын
Shadow is still awesome SEGA just doesn't give him a chance. He was the best of Sonic 06 and I liked the Shadow The Hedgehog game, it gave Shadow what other Sonic characters barely, STORY. And still far interesting than Sonic ever will be
@Nice_Person73794 жыл бұрын
Well, I think the over saturation started in the 2010s with the wisps and crap.
@dandastardly27924 жыл бұрын
As someone who watched all of this happen I was around 9-12 and honestly this is spot on. For a hot minute shadow was up there in popularity but after Sonic Adventure 2 , it was all downhill. It didnt help SA 2 was only out on gamecube and dreamcast. Most people had a ps2 or an xbox
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
Shadow's character didn't go downhill right away quit exaggerating
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
His character rose in popularity more and more. After 06 it went downhill cause the games after 06, butchered his character. STH was a really popular game.
@dandastardly27922 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 everyone made fun of the game as soon as it was released.
@gundambassexe314 жыл бұрын
Shadow is one of my favorite sonic characters back in the dreamcast days
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
I can see that
@eobardthawne69693 жыл бұрын
Shadow is my favorite character in the whole franchise, only in adventure 2, heroes and o6. After those three games they just fed into the, oH ShAdOw tHe EdGy vEgEtA CoPy, he originally wasn't edgy he was far far better than Sonic
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
He was pretty good in STH as well. He may of been edgy in some parts but the cannon parts of the game he was fine.
@addictedtochocolate9202 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be great if after Adventure 2 Shadow just became this subversion of the typical dark character, obsessed with helping everyone and making them happy in the name of Maria? He still looks scary, grumpy and stoic, and he can't stand Sonic at all, but he's a hero obsessed with giving happiness to the world, and he doesn't even understand happiness himself; he just does what Maria would've liked him to do. Would be hilarious too when Sonic found out he spends his free time getting cats off trees and helping grannies cross the street.
@EndlessDream4 жыл бұрын
Omfg my thoughts exactly! SA2 established him as a well written character. He's also a prime example of characters ruined by fan demand.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
fan demand didn't ruin Shadow. Bad writing ruined Shadow don't blame the fans for wanting a good character with so much future potential to be brought back. Blame the current writers and Sega for not even knowing how to portray their own character that they made in the first place
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
Blame who ever started writing for sonic after 06. Shadow in every game up until 06 was pretty well written.
@brandonprater46134 жыл бұрын
Shadow's name has so much meaning to it... 1stly, he shadowed Gerald Robotnik in his research. 2ndly, a dark villain working from the shadows. Tragically, has become a shadow of his former self. #MakeShadowBadassAgain
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
agreed
@dmitribrutus55434 жыл бұрын
I kinda like Shadow the Hedgehog game, it was cool to used weapons and vehicles to make it enjoyable for the levels
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
Most people like it. It was really mixed back then but now a lot are wanting a STH 2 or remaster. I think that could really help the character
@chriss.2494 жыл бұрын
6:53 I dont exactly view him like that Shadow in the archie comics and in some part of the idw comics actually is really deep. In the idw comics he wants to KILL Mr tinker(eggman but with amnesia) because shadow doesnt want eggman to rise back to power and cause another incident like he did in sonic forces. Its dark YES but in this case shadow wants to take upon the burden of being a killer to keep others safe. He even backs down with sonic reasons with him. Theres too much shadow content from archie to go over but shadow has been shown making mistakes, learning from them, and bettering himself. To me, every main character needs a foil to them For Megaman-protoman For X-zero For goku- vegeta And fir sonic-shadow or knuckles Shadow may be "darker" than sonic but I believe that's warranted Sonic is always around nature, absorbing the positivity and freedom from it, meanwhile shadow works with and for gun, having to do missions and other work. Not only that but shadow IS older than sonic, and over 100 years of life can make someone more jagged and pragmatic(ask wolverine lol). My point in saying this is that sonic is optimistic, while shadow is more logical and realistic than sonic is. It's not a bad thing hes like that as it adds another perspective in the mix. Having a darker character than the main character doesnt automatically make them a vegeta tho, some characters not only came 1st, but did it BETTER than vegeta does. For example, Zero from the Megaman X series was a better Piccolo than the Namekian has ever been, and from that, spawned his own game series with many heartfelt moments as he stepped into the spotlight(as even in the X series, he was looked at as cooler than Megaman X, who himself is gohan, but a more tortured soul than the saiyan is)
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
I agree Shadow was great in the IDW and Archie comics
@chriss.2494 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 Thanks! And yeah I view him as a good character He still has room to grow and should have some spotlight put on him
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
@@chriss.249 agreed. IDW needs to use this opportunity to develop Shadow's character further cuz the backlash they received from issue 19 where Shadow pulls a whole ass Vegeta and gets infected by the Zombots is still getting hate to this day. And that's Sega Mandates fault they forced IDW to write Shadow like that way
@chriss.2494 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 Yeah, I think if Idw had their way with him he would be much better
@kaiyamazaki16844 жыл бұрын
Ya, pretty sure Shadow became a complete after thought in the series after Sonic 06. The only really notable thing about him after that was him popping up as a boss once or twice and that DLC in Sonic Forces which seemed somewhat out of character for him.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
everybody but Sonic nowadays is an afterthought as they amount to nothing but cheerleaders and benchwarmers
@disasterarchfiend96384 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel it's less the fact that he was brought back, and more HOW. When I went back through the mid 2000s era, I felt like the game that should have brought him back, shouldn't have been Sonic Heroes, or Shadow the Hedgehog, and Black Doom I personally think should NOT have existed. SH, had the right idea, but the series should have exercised patience when it came not only to the revival of Shadow, but the staring of Metal Sonic.
@lpfan44914 жыл бұрын
The question is, how should they have brought him back? Doing the entire backstory-thing seems like the most logical way to me. The biggest issue is the context really. If the games were written better and they actually went with the "he is an android prototype or something", it would already work.
@donathan29334 жыл бұрын
agreed StH had good ideas for the most part but bad execution. Bringing back Shadow wasn't a bad idea it just depended on the writing direction contrary to popular belief
@cerebralassassin1172 жыл бұрын
@@donathan2933 the canon story for STH really isnt bad. The what ifs are what people really mixed with even tho they're just what ifs.
@donathan29332 жыл бұрын
@@cerebralassassin117 ok
@tyrannotherium78734 жыл бұрын
The vegeta of the sonic universe
@ninjawaver3 жыл бұрын
2:38 HEY don't come for my boi Silver! I loved his story and Super form🤣🤣🤣🤣. Other than that I agree with everything else💯💯🔥🔥
@SolidusJack4 жыл бұрын
Yes my suggestion! You should definitely do silver next. Nice video btw
@chriss.2494 жыл бұрын
7:30 There I have to disagree, most times they compete, it's out of friendship They still call each other "faker" or "copycat" as a show of camaraderie. Shadow in the games is what scourge in the comics is, the pressing issue that " 1 bad day and u can become just like ME" and sonic realizes that, if sonic doesnt keep up his positive attitude, the weight of what he has on his shoulders would CRUSH him. Shadow isnt "crushed" per se but he DOES have his fair share of demons he has to combat to keep going. His own game shows us that he has not only the blood of a vengeful alien race inside him, but the conflicting views of gerald robotnik as well, who at one point wanted humans dead and was gonna make the arc collide with earth and kill everyone, but also created the arc to DESTROY the black arms and created shadow to protect the earth from them AND cure a rare disease. That in itself is far more complicated than what sonic is dealing with internally. But both hedgehogs persevere as the world they love depends on them. Shadow is choosing nurture over nature, and fights constantly against it. It's where he earns my respect.
@ZenithintheMaking2 жыл бұрын
2:56 Calling this game rat poison to his character was 👏👏 so true. In the numerous outcomes from the stories it ruined his character and when people went to his character they ended up going to this game😥 honestly this completely jump-started the Dark age of Shadow I like the backstory of telling us that Shadow is part alien but did it have to be in a game that.....was this😞 The music is so great tho
@Whocares1583 жыл бұрын
They made him into Coldsteel the Hedgehog. XD
@ultimatum37942 жыл бұрын
The point of the Shadow the Hedgehog game was to show that Shadow could become literally anything, good or bad. The true hero story and final story of the Shadow game (mostly) got his character right. Though I like the idea of Shadow being an introverted rival to Sonic, I disapprove him being a too edgy Vegeta clone.
@CyprustheAroaceDemiboy4 жыл бұрын
Shadow is REALLY cool!
@ariannagorbet66744 жыл бұрын
Yes, he is.
@AstralLaVista4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video!
@GVGINU3 жыл бұрын
Knuckles got done wrong and so did Shadow. They both have a shit ton of potential. Sega just didn't know what the hell to do with him.