Shadowlands Ranged DPS Tier List (What's the Most Fun?)

[@nochillkowa9493]

Finally, a content creator not scared to do a tier list. Even if it turns out to be wrong, it gives us plebs who don’t have beta an idea on how the specs compared to each other.

[@tibor3106]

You cant compare numbers now... It changes a lot till the game realeses... He is comparing personal preference. It is diferent at most people.

[@overlord3471]

good stuff , looking forward for the mele specs tier list

[@deathbyderringer]

Still waiting on that melee vid

[@Ty-oe4dr]

it would be really easy for them to turn MM back into how it was in mop, which i thought was much more fun and engaging. make serpent sting baseline, make chimera shot refresh it, get rid of aimed shot's CD and bring back the old master marksman effect. its so frustrating that many of MOP marksman's abilities still exist within the spec, but it doesnt play nearly as well.

[@nochillkowa9493]

terrence a lot of specs played well in MOP. Hopefully SL can bring that again.

[@JT-gt4uv]

You could say that about every class. Mop class design was actually fun and engaging.

[@Mozaiq83]

For its casting time, aimed shot seriously needs its cd removed.

[@rinlila6974]

@@Mozaiq83 lmaoooooo most people were shitting on MoP back when it was announced and released. Typical rose tinted glass comments.

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

I miss explosive shot would like to see it replace chimera shot or just bring back old survival hunter, have no had much fun with hunter since

[@willg1474]

Hey bro, what’re the odds that you do a quick follow up to this vid and the melee vid to “update” them

[@harrypotter6894]

i like your insight, not alot of people can talk about classes with such proper insight that i can tell is accurate cause ive played almost all classes quite a bit

[@Supatease]

Never thought I'd get a compliment from the harry potter thanks.

[@literalgod4034]

@@Supatease LOL

[@AlexWaff]

I main a druid and plan on getting a priest void elf alt, a kultiran shaman, and most likely a paladin lightforge as my main alts to go through each covenant - these tier lists got me hyped as hell actually. Seems like balance is shaping up to be way more fun and useful, resto is resto and is boss as usual, shadow is finally getting better, ench/resto/ele are all super duper sweet and better now too so yay.

[@CoreyDowning]

Wondering if you have an update with the re-work of Shadow Priest. Totally agree with your method of assessment, as long as it's not BFA-era WW monk single target damage I'd much prefer an engaging spec.

[@CoreyDowning]

After watching all of this one and the Melee tier list I think we may be kindred spirits. Looking forward to the next one and probably another pass when some tuning has occurred and we've got a launch date.

[@desmond6425]

Nice video,looking forward to the melee one :)

[@johndurden]

I'm having trouble finding class/race combinations for performance rankings for Shadowlands. As a lock/spriest fan, I'd love to know if I need to race change.

[@TheMarkJoergensen]

Unless youre doing top 100 content, you don’t.

[@johndurden]

@@TheMarkJoergensen I like to min/max even if I'm not raiding anymore.

[@ArcticMoose17]

John Durden no, like races have an extremely small affect on performance rankings. Night elves have meld for m+ and other races have their own benefits but nothing truly matters imo.

[@johndurden]

@@ArcticMoose17 noted. Thanks.

[@numbersdontlie5954]

@@johndurden mechagnome is why my lock is. 5 min cd prevent death. Mirror image taunt. Can pick locks, and don't need to be near an anvil. As a caster, the leg mods don't matter for tmog if you just wear a dress.

[@MrWardonis]

You should really preface this as a PVP Focus. Some of us are looking for information regarding the raids and Mythic Plus and has absolutely no bearing on PVP honor talents

[@NickBijl]

He literally prefaced this as based on (his) *overal enjoyment and longevity of a spec*. Taking everything (both pve and pvp) into account but not focussing on a specific thing. Nobody knows what will be good raiding or M+ wise. That will largely depend on tuning. You can look for specific utility. Like.. hunters and to some extent mages have a great kit for a lot of raid jobs. And rogue, DH and resto druid all have very favourable m+ kits.

[@AdrianPothead]

Btw supa, Echoing shock doesnt work with fulmination. It works only with terrible ES damage. There's no potential to burst

[@BROnik]

Who is better for M+ Shadow Priest or Affli lock? So hard choice for me T_T, priest allways better for gearing cose of healing specs so i'm confused, help )

[@csakzozo]

My 2 favorite specs in S-tier. Promising start!

[@Metathrom]

Same here, I just love dot specs. Priest and Warlock are looking great!

[@orbreXth]

Nice content lately. Keep it up

[@austingore4248]

I think people should look at the potential of LSD comp and varients to it. Ele/Afflic is going to be an insane combo from what I've seen.

[@bmcash09]

What do you think of the changes to Spriest that just dropped??

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

getting mirror image and phoenix flames back for my mage can not wait

[@Icicleyo]

Im playing mage and im sad if I cant cc anything. If u cant peel or kill in a cc chain after u forced everything you just flop unless they trade ur cc potential for obnoxious insane damage.. The main reason I play mage tho is for the cc I can provide - only doing damage is just boring.

[@mistersapparot3311]

I really wish hunters would get Surv back as ranged spec. It was by far most fun spec to play. I would also put destro on level with BM when it comes to engaging spec. It's so boring spec to play.

[@DANIMAL_GG]

I miss being completely ranged and not having to worry about if my pvp or pve spec will end up being melee. I don't mind current SV in pvp but I'd much rather be fully range always.

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

not to mention explosive shot was such an awesome ability felt powerful

[@ryanpellegrini1023]

And make it a tank spec. A ranged tank could be so fun. Hunters would be the perfect choice for it. And would make tanking pets more.intersting

[@ezmaro6099]

Waiting to see your healer tier list, for me i must start the expansion with a ranged healer, M+ and arena healer, raiding as ranged dps. So Sham, Priest or Druid it's one of these.

[@aelorgames2627]

Shaman for me, I admit, no matter where it ends, I'll play it. Not a fan of druids myself, also since everyone plays this easy to play spec or even class. Holy priest would be 2nd on my list, I quite like both of these healers. Sadly, now for healers their main task, healing almost falls behind on dmg....

[@ezmaro6099]

Casual Aelor I’ve never mained sham or priest, in BFA i mained Druid and mage, played arena as MW and Hpal. It’s not ideal for me to play only 1 spec of a class, hence i think priest seems a really gd choice.

[@rastax123]

Shaman is the weakest of the ones you listed there according to various streamers i watched. I'm not saying shaman is shit tho 👌 druid will be pretty good i heard

[@robbyfromthehobby]

Your tier lists are by FAR my favorite. Great videos.

[@fraggle5977]

Lol ironically enough, I found this video hoping it would help me choose between SPriest and Aff lock.

[@sivartgaming2174]

I Imagine you're still stuck lol. I'm going shadow for sure. I'm actually getting excited for a wow xpac again.

[@fraggle5977]

SivartGaming Yea I’m also going shadow. I like healing too and I find disc the most engaging of the healers. Now I just need to research covenants and soulbinds to find a good fit for both specs.

[@dougyman13]

Shadow is going to be broken and very strong. Same with lock specifically afflic. I'm so happy I can play afflic and shadow again.

[@kalleanka2796]

Going shadow as well. Affliction feels just a bit to clunky for me. To much set up / many dot spells. If there is such a thing.

[@brandulak]

I guess affliction will be higher on the meters than SPriest. But SP is so much more fluid and convenient. Both are good choices.

[@ght405]

Castro lock is meant to be all about those huge chaos bolts

[@chasepoorman1887]

What would you re - rate following the latest update ? especially priest mage and shaman

[@XJoeyJordison666X]

Mages change in a good or bad way?

[@ryans3795]

Arcane will be my main, loved arcane in legion and I think the spec may be better than back then. It will no longer be the bfa monstrosity.

[@davejones5166]

if your'e rerolling, surely the changes don't really matter to you. right?

[@waarcutie1980]

cant rly agree with the destro ranking, not cuz i main one, but cuz roaring blaze has loads of potential, making destro a fire spec, not just chaos bolt spam, aswell as soulfire is a cool spell that can see loads of play with havoc, and with decemating bolt + incinerate + roaring blaze :). + the legendary that gives another charge to conflag

[@seppoharkkonen5766]

destro still number 1 in logs with beta testing raid.

[@waarcutie1980]

@@seppoharkkonen5766 well ye, the numbers dosent matter too much at the moment, but aslong as the playstyle is fun. and atm it is not just chaosbolt spam

[@seppoharkkonen5766]

@@waarcutie1980 true, true, but if playstyle is fun and you are top the meters with the rotation that destro warlocks have, some other dps who are currently in the lower tiers are gonna be pissed, i aint saying follow the beta test charts like a cult, but its a good way to look at the classes and specs which are gonna deal the most damage. Currently its looking pretty bad, i just hope they balance different classes and specs a bit more.

[@waarcutie1980]

@@seppoharkkonen5766 ooh for sure, ill be surprised if destro dosent get a nerf hhaha, i hope they show demo lock some love and windwalker aswell... just sounded like the guy on the vid, thought destro is all about chaosbolts on beta, which isnt true :)

[@PHX214]

Disclaimer: these ratings are PVP only. For those asking, M+ and Raiding are much much different.

[@literalgod4034]

Feels good to be lock/affli main baby, let's fukin go BABY!!!!!!!

[@Tentacl]

To me it's Alli and Ele S, Shadow MAYBE, but I actually need to test it personally. I'm afaid I'll just hate not having instanity cicles anymore too frustrating and/or so close to Affli it's just not worth playing both.

[@Omkuskom]

would you put mm higher after the latest changes?

[@therealamwood3191]

Sycremnia which were?

[@Omkuskom]

@@therealamwood3191 faster rapid fire, chimera shot available as talent etc

[@mike4088]

Subbed. Good content.

[@ratbag4]

Thankyou for the video! Seems crazy to me that a covenant ability might be the thing to finally take mage rogue off the meta rather than class rebalancing. Not sure how I feel about that other than a bit sad if I'll be forced to go necrolords.

[@balancebreaker1561]

what you mean? mage rogue comp is not good because class unbalancing, its simply because the synergy, its hard to deal with the mage while rogues stabs you in the back or deal with the rogue while mage cc, slows, etc

[@ratbag4]

@@balancebreaker1561 This was said before the nerfs to fleshcrafts cc immunity where it was going to screw over rogues or mages going for kicks kidneys counterspells and sheeps until they damaged through it.

[@gnome9838]

BM main but no stress, no shots lol

[@Rich-in6ds]

I don’t understand the criticism of Ele about having to hard-cast spells. Name me a caster that doesn’t hard cast spells outside of their burst window. Frost shock hits pretty hard and lava burst procs decently often. Ele is far from a turret.

[@Crowback354]

Everything im hearing is that fleshcraft is hilariously broken for both pvp and mythic +. The CC immunity means if there are any mobs or bosses that cc you can just full group immune them. I expect nerfs of some sort and lets be real Kyrian sucks bad and needs changes.

[@Michaelkayslay]

Dot class god tier !! How is misteraver looking , been playing holy pally since vanilla. But looking for change

[@cougarsr00]

Ele also got lightning shield make they have some damage build up when melee are on them and the cast and move spell is there so I feel like ele is gonna be stacked

[@Muddyowns]

Cast and move spell? What's that

[@stonerkebab9498]

TheMuddyOne spiritwalker‘s grace :)

[@Muddyowns]

@@stonerkebab9498 👌🏻

[@cougarsr00]

Stoner Kebab thank you lol

[@TheDewblol]

hey supa dewbie here love u brotha

[@jondonnelly3]

Shadowlands = Shadowpriest = S Tier How could it be otherwise! Time for Shadowprist to Shine!

[@Daniel-ld7xs]

SSS!

[@Alphascrub_77]

Probably means shadowplay is coming back. I dont really know how resto shaman is doing in SL but if these two are top im sure another synergistic healer could be found for 3s. That being said it probably means we going to see more cleave comps. Better prepare for the AW/DH/Healer and AW/ES/Healer trains.

[@Pridefallgame]

I hope in the first Shadowlands AWC we already see some Affly comp

[@Alphascrub_77]

Ima be honest ill probably level hunter just for those early days of aimed shot one hitting some mages in WSG if they don't tune it down.

[@durango3063]

Affliction can fall due to tuning and right now on raid tests its overpowerd 😂

[@whitepage8018]

no curse can bring affliction back to pre wod

[@seppoharkkonen5766]

Is this just fun tier or pvp or pve?

[@readthis1123]

Hunter on main, they always start strong on the beginning of an expansion but get nerfed every patch lol.

[@kasper1241]

The hunter specs are just not very engaging. The class is very popular because it allows people to get through content with very little friction.

[@romanferguson4032]

shadow priest change on this?

[@aaronpauley2390]

Man I feel like I woke up and I’m in bizzaro land land with this video. No offense because I know it’s a fun subjective list. Shadow and demonology for me just are so much wasted fun potential

[@BestshotsTVV]

But why MM hunter tier-D???

[@TheKozdgaf]

Not about dps or meta its about engageability did you even bother watching

[@promethieos1875]

Because it's fucking terrible to play. Since legion surv/mm have been fuckin terrible

[@HeIIaAverage]

You may want to consider the fact that shadow priest and affliction lock aren't going to be able to get into groups into your "fun" equation.

[@deadpool22]

The new aff lock and spriest are performing well thus far in Shadowlands barring any major changes in the tuning pass. Everyone understands that a new expansion means that most classes change significantly and your statement could just as easily change to any other classes based on tuning. It is too early to make statements like that.

[@HeIIaAverage]

@@deadpool22 they would have to completely rework them and give them things like 15 second kick timers and low CD stuns to replace melee, or lust and int buff to replace mage or hunter. They still aren't going to get invited

[@Cryttanz]

Please dumpster fire and destro, they've had their fun. Time to sit down.

[@optimusd3854]

Just saw the PVP only.

[@AdamArchangel]

Elemental is going back to maelstrom now

[@AMRsti93]

I only needed the first 2 minutes cuz I main lock lol

[@AMRsti93]

I main affliction and shadow. Dabble a bit in enhance shaman and feral too.. boy this is gonna be a fun expansion:P

[@outcast1sub7]

I would like to say this kind of video would of been better at the end of beta new spells, talents or even complete changes to how a class plays have all been completed. but good video non the less.

[@123fakestreeeet]

I wanna say yes. Shadow is fun in PvP in SL, it's got a lot of interesting tools for PvP and it's still got it's very powerful cc kit that it's been known for. However, this in no way correlates with the rotational gameplay that ends up being the focus of if a spec is fun or not in pve. EDIT: As an aside. I'd like to say hopefully there are changes coming to address rotation and talent issues with shadow that affect it in pve, and I sincerely hope whats needed to make it fun in pve doesn't end up impacting what makes it fun or viable in PvP.

[@vankhorne]

Affliction doesn't seem very fun when you don't have a pocket healer. Lackluster spec to do 2v2 or fend for yourself in a 1v1. Unless you are talking about PvE.

[@ArnoLindner]

the tunig will be again after season start like in bfa s1 :D

[@dougyman13]

I was going to write how Shadow will be the most broken spec. But honestly all ranged specs are going to be really strong. The covenants and adding defense but mostly movement is what is going to make this xpac all about ranged again. Boomies can cast on the move, warlock WILL BE strong all xpac especially afflic with mobility. Mage has 3 blinks.... nuff said. Adding covenants is going to make the game more broken than ever, while making it more balance. Hard to say one spec is broken and needs to be fixed when they all are broken. This is blizzards mindset I swear. The only ranged spec that will start slow is elemental shammies even then they have ghost wolf and can choose a blink or sprint. Movement is what makes or breaks the game between melee and ranged and this xpac movement is coming to every spec.

[@blackyvertigo]

Please put the fact that this is pvp biased in your titles. Bm hunter is S tier for raiding due to 100% mobility and dps very near both affliction and destruction lock.

[@ashwinjohn1123]

I thought shadow priest was not that Great??

[@angryelfgaming2503]

Is that a Shadow Priest I see at the top? whaaaat?

[@JanKGames]

Supa believes that shadow will be top 3 caster. I hope he’s right but as he said before we haven’t hit tuning phase

[@frankpetiet4519]

Shadowpriest is going to recieve a big rework which was just announced, so the spriest ranking should really be taken with a grain of salt untill the reworked version is released.

[@Criptyk23]

Looks good me was planing on having my main be affy lock and alt be holy/shadow priest before watching that anyway haha

[@Blesses.]

Almost the same here. Been maining shadow for years and recently got into affliction

[@dwighthopper1666]

Marksmen gonna be way higher the Dam output is sick

[@kyleburnside9959]

Anyone else get like 6 ads?

[@Ackz89]

I trusted your knowledge until you put SPriest into S tier XD

[@armidevil]

YEH ! I thought exactly the same thing. SP in S TIER lul what u smoke :D

[@Uncle19]

I found the ranged one! Disregard my comment on the melle dps tier list.

[@aelorgames2627]

Elemental shaman please please please!!! :-)

[@Noxirio]

rip hunter main (me) .... :-/

[@manuelhuber9879]

Survival is S Tier

[@ziggs123]

Elemental rework completely failed imo. Standing and casting boring lighting bolts could not be any worse for the spec. 2meeles sitting on your ass will make ele useless. In general it's cool that classes finally get anything again, but still classes are far away from MoP class design

[@jakubvavrik5527]

Lightning shield gives you fulmination when it damages so it might not be so bad when being trained by melee.

[@luisfelipezuluagarodriguez5549]

do a tank tier!

[@paulojosesilva4305]

So confused video: it's about fun spec, powerfull spec, engaging specs, spec with more news things, pvp or pve, really it will better you classified the video: the specs that i like.

[@ght405]

Make ele sham cast lightning bolt on the move again

[@julianolima7215]

SAVE hunters please... they need help... just make survival a TANK spec.

[@DANIMAL_GG]

Lol no. Bring back ranged SV.

[@ryanpellegrini1023]

I've been saying for years I'd love to see a ranged tank. Surv would be so good. Would love to.see.it happen

[@ddenozor]

Weave the melee gameplay of Surv to BM,and make it a tank who can switch with pets or himself. Then delete Surv and bring the Tinker or Trapper spec who specializes in traps, turrets, gadgets like an engineer.

[@therealamwood3191]

Nice video. 4 too many ads.

[@martinbrankov8504]

Shadow priest looks very bad man it needs rework like else shaman!

[@Darthvlaider]

My jaw about fell off my face and hit my desk when he put shadow priest on S tier. It's a dumpster fire in need of a serious rework.

[@martinbrankov8504]

@@Darthvlaider before my gametime expired few months ago I levelled up a warr and mage just in case sp is not fixed.... it looks like it got worse!

[@andersflem9628]

Tok this serious until shadow priest part came.

[@MrAndrosh]

well...

[@martinbrankov8504]

@@MrAndrosh hahah well 2 weeks later we are in a different situation.

[@ScarA]

Thank you.

[@Thristed]

do this again after tuning, not a great moment to do this ...

[@odb583]

Yay as a hunter main i cant wait for another expansion of being dogshit tier

[@skymercii]

I disagree with your destruction placement

[@ArnoLindner]

you are the only one that talk about tuning every other one who talks about classes always forget to mention tuning my personal hope is that blizzard dont nerf strong classes and buff weaker ones and actually i dont understant why blizzard do so much that only nerf rogue and mage combs like immune to CC till a shield is down (flashcraft) or kyrian lower cc duration yes rogue mage combs are very strong in 3v3 but imagine the rogue team just CANT perform a opener its not allowed and its not like enemy team play good and counter the opener no its just okay i play necro you are fucked man i win now maybe i just play walking dead or tsg this combs dont need good cc to win

[@emilioc.479]

This was a very good video, thank you.

[@WoWDontu]

You're so quiet in comparison to other channels.

[@lavun4175]

Really? I found it to be average, if not louder than others lol

[@WoWDontu]

lavun I have to max volume it and then when the next video starts it’s blaring

[@hibiscus779]

So this is PVP fun tier list. It would have been helpful to indiate that in the title.

[@AvantVFX]

I’m jumping all in to priest this xpac

[@SomeOne1121]

D there just for show.

[@aldrinsean]

Clearly not an ele player. It’s currently garbage

[@thegrambo5629]

Literally like none of these are in line with what every other youtuber is saying

[@Supatease]

I see a lot of other youtubers focused on cleave spells being limited and not being able to pull as big in dungeons. Too me I dont have fun running up to 100 mobs and killing them in a single stun with 1 aoe. So my perspective is different.

[@numbersdontlie5954]

@@Supatease so, how normal people play.

[@angrygun7826]

Lmao I am so happy when you talk about warlock 👌 cant wait for the new Aff wish I had beta so bad!!!!!!!!!!

[@literalgod4034]

i really do not care what happens here on out, because everything i've seen/read so far makes this expansion not only lightyears ahead of legion in terms of fun/class design etc, but also may be a so called "GOOD" expansion like that of past, affli lock etc makes me get butterflies in my stomach when i see those one shot drain soul covenant ability and curses n stuff, rly excited about this. Going into BFA we got nothing, nothing new, weird bad feel zones with dinosaurs/trolls etc, an absolute disgrace, but this... this is gonna be big

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

dude legion was awesome this one has yet to prove its worth

[@literalgod4034]

@@vincenthammons-kd9du Legion was dogshit omg, lol scaling was so horrible and it was the xpac where they ruined mop class design completely, atleast in wod u were still able to 1v2 cuz of correct scaling n abilities still in classes etc, in legion they just overhauled everything to a noob friendly rpg dogshit ass game

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

@@literalgod4034 everyone is entitled to their opinion i guess lol

[@literalgod4034]

@@vincenthammons-kd9du y, but mine is the correct 1 lol xD

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

@@literalgod4034 if you say so buddy you keep believing that

[@katerynamarusyk3558]

Crying in destro lock

[@megustaq8]

Tier based on fun? XD well "fun" doesnt when you matches

[@aclyptico1790]

Are you seriously putting Shadow Priest on "S-Tier"?

[@abdualrhmanaljasmi9962]

I like went shadow priest become top tier lol only at pvp but at pve is boring so I don’t care about pve all I want is pvp

[@FalioV]

Probably you don't now, but Sp is getting massive rework.

[@bluejaysforever3627]

You put Balance Druid at an A rating with the Eclipse system worst thing to happen to Druid in years and put BM Hunter at C b'cos its simple but effective. Oh dear what a weird and unhelpful rating system

[@ante2629]

People do like the eclipse system... I did in Cata tbh... It is subjective you know. Plus this is a "fun" playstyle list so "it's simple but effective" doesn't apply lol ..

[@bluejaysforever3627]

@@ante2629 If i say it applies it applies. He is WRONG about Druid this is a FACT and BM is fun b'cos it is effective. FACT

[@ante2629]

@@bluejaysforever3627 lol... Someone is a narcissist... I'd hate to know you in real life

[@JaveStyle]

Lol this guy hates hunters 🤣😂

[@carlosparra9527]

Poor us Hunters, SV mele killed the class

[@sebekgra8416]

Meleeeee

[@swordsong5]

What a joke I watch these list at the beginning of xpacs and it’s always the same dumping on hunters. But our community is strong and we always find a way to be on top.

[@RemmRin]

Dumping hunters? If you actually watched his melee dps video you'd see Survival Hunters are S tier. If you're just upset your spec is awful, that's fine, but it isn't "dumping on hunters"

[@swordsong5]

Rem ya just watched it and he had survival at a tier for pvp. But wtf does that have to do with ranged. It seems to me he has no idea how BM or MM plays or it would be ranked higher . All that shit about the spec being reliant on damage falls for every dps spec. So yea what a joke