Shadowlands Tank Healing Guide

[@joseba.nevado]

Very interesting. Now let me go back to over-healing anything that is under 95% HP to keep my OCD sanity

[@Jfrost211]

Go resto druid, then its your job to overheal

[@Cuchier]

+1 my friend

[@lilesmw]

Hahaha.

[@jam34786]

This post speaks to me on a deep level 😅

[@mangomariel]

I have this thing on my shaman that makes overhealring in to a 10% shield buff. I like it.

[@ThundersamaGamer]

Big brain: Healer watching a video about how to heal tanks. Galaxy brain: Tank watching how healers will heal him.

[@pcav9513]

That's me right now xD

[@fragiquerence]

caught my eye and thought i could recommend this video to my friend who is new to healing =)

[@tgs5725]

Literally the reason I clicked on this video. To see how I affect my healers gameplay

[@astrealove2247]

That's what I do. It's interesting as a main tank to know how healers are expected to heal me.

[@somewhereintheworldd]

Brew monk here feels good xd

[@Josh-99]

I don't know if it's already been said, but Blood DKs have a talent -- that they ALL take if they have ANY clue what they are doing -- called Will of the Necropolis. It reduces all damage taken when below 30% HP by 30%, and it includes partial reduction on big hits (i.e. if the DK is at 35% and takes an attack that deals more than 5% of their health, the amount that dips them below 30% will be reduced by 30% even within that one big hit). The talent is AMAZINGLY powerful and results in really strange-looking damage curves if the healer doesn't know about it. For example, a Blood DK might wait until they are nearly at 30% before hitting Icebound Fortitude (30% reduction) and suddenly it seems like all incoming damage just... stops. That's because they have 30% mitigation from armor, 30% from WotN, and 30% from Icebound Fortitude. This also means that if you are going to hit a Blood DK with a proactive damage reduction cooldown, it's best to wait until they are around 35%-ish health to get the most mileage out of it -- again, assuming that the DK isn't going to die from a giant hit. In other words, as long as the DK isn't in danger of being one-shot by a big hit, it's fine to leave them at 35%-ish health and hit them with HoTs and efficient healing. A lot of Blood DKs don't WANT to be at full health; they want to be able to leverage Death Strike healing, Bloodworm healing, Will of the Necropolis reduction, etc. to allow healers time and space to heal the rest of the party and even DPS. It's for this reason that Discipline Priests are so amazing with Blood DKs: the shield doesn't actually heal them but still benefits from the 30% DR from WotN and the steady stream of healing from Atonement is often plenty once the Blood DK has stabilized the pull.

[@fozgoth]

Awesome, I had no idea about this information, thank you.

[@buhg1]

At least all that I have played with - even thou they have this talent die in 1-2 seconds on a pack if they are below 35-30% in my experience

[@rivertam711]

I love how “stabilised” is the most common way to describe BDK on pull. We don’t come in strong with a shinny shield or iron fur, we get smacked right in the face so hard we almost die and then stabilise afterwards and we kinda good.

[@Jay15199]

"You can't save DKs. Their lives are in their own hands." Me, a Blood DK: Never say die. 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@guffels]

As a Blood DK, I wanna apologize for the heart attacks I give my healers. I don't like it either but I stabilize at 30%

[@max8m1]

Honestly, as a main healer I just avoid blood dks whenever I can. They are by far the most stressful tank to heal for me and I sleep better at night simply not doing it x)

[@Wexexx]

@@max8m1 definitely. I track all the shit they have and sometimes they just heal through whatever shit goes thru them, next they die for no reason. All while I’m sitting there trying to decide on wether to overheal or not.

[@max8m1]

@@Wexexx Especially since you know, if it's a pug tank, that he'll be blaming you if he dies. Nothing like a "Heal me?" when a blood dk dies in 1 second with enough rp to press death strike while my healing surge has a cast time of 1.4 seconds. Thanks but I'll take a brewmaster or bear any day instead x)

[@rivertam711]

@@Wexexx rule of thumb for blood DK healing (if they have RP and cooldowns ready) Healer does the 80-100% healing, I’ll do the 20-80% stuff and we both panic below 20%. Overhealing is better than a dead tank

[@Wexexx]

@@rivertam711 True true. Or I just get another tank.

[@PaulPennington0515]

Love your videos man, as a tank, I love to see the healers perspective and make sure I'm doing the right thing to make their lives easier.

[@DJBlackNGold]

Glad there are some tanks out there that take the healer into consideration instead of just "fucking heal me IDC about your toolkit"

[@bnb7094]

As a Prot Pally I want to thank you for this video and thank every healer out there for giving me healing! I try to scale my actions according to my healer too :)

[@Darth0308]

Pally is by far so easy to heal. Half the time they are throwing out heals to dps and the healer as they are tanking. People that know how to play Pally are OP for the party.

[@BARETT1998]

Blood DK: 90% Blood DK: 10% Me: LoH Blood DK: 100% LoH: overheal 99.9999% Me: -_-

[@bendover7152]

this made me cry

[@jetah50]

we're very yo-yo with the hp.

[@alexv5862]

reminds me of the first time one of my friends healed my blood dk she yelled what's going on two pulls in 5 pulls later she yells i thought you died back there me with the purgatory debuff on i technically did

[@quikex3606]

LoH?

[@bendover7152]

@@quikex3606 lay on hands

[@skoogson5416]

Resto druids and monks are a fit made in heaven

[@ZelosSama]

Idk , as a tanking monk , resto druid has been my worst healung mate . I alway have to vivify myself constantly. I dont have to so that with the other healers. But i thought they were too

[@skoogson5416]

@@ZelosSama One monk tank i healed was super clean. The One after was horribel to heal. The player are usually better than the spec

[@ZelosSama]

@@skoogson5416 it was not just one druid tho. all of them had issues while others never had. so its not about my skills or my gear at this point.

[@skoogson5416]

@@ZelosSama oof hope it gets better for you

[@ThomasHuayra]

They are

[@chrisredmond3093]

As a tank of multiple classes this was great to watch. One of my main concerns is making the healers life easy to ensure I stay alive. Although I’ve healed in the past it was really good to get your view on what to look out for and helps me prompt my healer on key times when I may need more heals.

[@4head_sama028]

as a blood dk i find it frustrating when healers drop big heals on me after i DS over half my hp back,this is why my fave healer is druid cuz he can just HOT me up and let me do the rest

[@wowplayerstar5489]

I enjoy healing DH and DK on my Disc Priest. Makes it a lot easier to focus on atonement healing, DoT uptime, and watching the DPS more closely.

[@patriklundberg307]

Me as a paladin like having a blood dk for lower keys, just have to play around their runic P, but sadly very rng in high keys, pulls 5+ targets, parrys no attacks, 100-0 in 1-2 sec. LOVE IT :P

[@4head_sama028]

@@patriklundberg307 yeah i have found that on high keys i have trouble ramping up b4 the mobs kill me, once ive got shit going its fine but the first couple of seconds can rough if i dont have RP b4 i pull

[@archivedsimsstuff8975]

@@wowplayerstar5489 same! I don’t really look at bdk’s health anymore, just their runic power. My favorite tank to heal is DH though. I love them.

[@bdmb123]

@@patriklundberg307 No no

[@Hogstrictors]

This video is just as informative for tanks as it is for healers, thanks, great video!

[@YmpiCZ]

After playing slightly higher keys (up to a +17 i think) with a blood dk as a resto druid, i developed kind of a apathy to their health where i'd just throw hots and occasional bark on him and basically ignored his health frame. saved me a lot of stress

[@Schilani]

5:26 I swear I am hearing "onion bark", and that just makes me giggle at the thought.

[@kinkakudzi1690]

As prot pal main, can say most problems are from dps who cant avoid spells and not interrupting range casts. Prot pal sometime dont even need heal)

[@nihzit8185]

Or dispelling/cleansing/stunning enrages and buffs.

[@Thanatas11]

Great video. Is there a video that explains healers in this format? As a tank, i would love to know a quick 1 min summary of each healer class and what stuff i should stand in or how to worry when I see my life bar moving a certain way.

[@kalebbowers6455]

Good morning growl. I wish you, as well as everyone else tonight the best of luck in raid

[@timbrazeal4]

That’s so wholesome

[@georgiawalton8406]

As a Blood main; It is all just internal screaming until you run out of all resources. Then it’s audible screaming. Such is the life of a yo-yo tank.

[@guffels]

Dude this is so true. I'm so cool I'm a raid till my next rune is 6 sec and my RP is 0. Then it's all screaming

[@rivertam711]

Blood DK POV: I’m good, I’m good, I’m fine, I’m good, I am infact NOT FINE IM ABOUT TO FUCKING DIE HELP OMG.... I’m fine I’m ok I’m good I’m DYING AGAIN HOLY SHIT..... except I’m not it’s ok and NOPE I WAS WRONG IM ACTUALLY DEAD THIS TIME

[@Meatcrob1]

Healing deathknights, just put hots on them. Me as a holy pally..

[@Churchless]

🤣 beacon?

[@Meatcrob1]

@@Churchless beacon is a hot.

[@lordundeadrat]

@@Churchless I love beacon. But it's not a HoT. HoT's by definition spread their total healing out over a period of time. Beacon pumps the target whenever I heal someone else. If I'm not healing, It's not healing. Granted, I should be healing. But that's beside the point. It's not a HoT anymore than Glimmer's a HoT. Paladins have no true HoT's.

[@Churchless]

@@lordundeadrat fully aware of what beacon is and does

[@jordonlegge9819]

@@lordundeadrat as a bdk main since wrath you will maybe need to heal like 20 percent of a bdk’s damage so yeah just through beacon on and heal the rest of the team. In case of shit bdk disregard

[@borkguy]

Growl your thumbnails are always so great. That’s all I wanted to say.

[@alyssaleanaxo]

Thank you! I’m his thumbnail artist.

[@FullMetalEdits]

alyssaleanaxo great work

[@bertschmert]

Fascinating video man, LOVED watching this as a tank.

[@jwaldrop2011]

One key thing you didn’t mention about Vengeance DH, and I didn’t see any comments mentioning it either. Fiery Brand can either be a ho-hum cool down you should be vaguely aware of, or it could be the reason your DH doesn’t ever seem to need to kite in big pulls, depending on their build. Vengeance gets a talent that lets Fiery Brand (debuff on the mob that reduces their damage to you by 40%) spread to another target every second. On a big pull, that means you can basically negate almost half the damage with smart management of Brand. There’s also a legendary that lets you reduce the CD of Brand by 2s with ever use of Soul Cleave (which will be used constantly in this build, you don’t take Spirit Bomb), and a conduit that gets it even lower. The result is that you can easily have Brand up for a good chunk of the pull, which lets you work around your mitigation gaps. For me, this means I save Meta for really urgent moments (like my healer being OOM/dead) and otherwise I weave Spikes, Brand (likely spread during the first Spikes), Spikes, Fel Dev, etc. I give up some damage but I gain solid mitigation that doesn’t result in my having to jump around the field of battle like a weasel on meth.

[@SirSnoozebutton]

Very nice overview. I would like to add (for viewers who might now know) that Meta for Vengeance is 3min CD, not 5. They also have Fiery Brand, a 1min CD 40% damage reduction for 10 seconds, they can apply to single target, typically the most dangerous mob in a pack or a boss. There is also a talent build that lets the DH spread this effect to a new mob every 2 seconds, and increase the total duration to 14 seconds. On top of that they have a conduit and legendary that further reduces the cooldown, meaning it will be available on most pulls. This can easily be tracked on enemy nameplates as it is a debuff put on them.

[@nwheil]

This is exactly the content we needed right now with mythic plus out. Thank you!

[@duncanfinch27]

Another thing to keep in mind with paladins is their blessings can be used on others as well. For healers specifically BoP and Sac are important, if your ramp was bad going into something or you're falling behind don't be scared to ask. My healer looks after me so I don't mind helping when I can. The paladin free heal (which does insane numbers on non tank health pools) or blessing on another player can save deaths and pulls

[@cassiecub]

This is incredibly helpful - I’m very comfortable on my warrior tank and have played that a ton at a high level and this xpac I have a blood dk so I’m working on being a better tank and understanding how they work; I felt bad that my healer has a hard time predicting when I need healing so it’s good to know that it’s just kind of tricky and you’ve just got to get used to the ebb and flow and it’ll get easier as I become a better tank.

[@cassiecub]

As a side note your tip to use hots on blood dks makes that kinda hard since my healer is a holy pally :(

[@Palden-ub4vg]

Nice video, though I think you should have also mentioned to also keep an eye on Celestial Brew for Brewmasters when things get tight. It looks like it's a minute defensive, but in reality it ends up being around 20sec or so due to all the cdr built into brew's rotation.

[@e.l.2734]

Always thought this would be a great idea for a guide. You nailed it, plus great job putting the final message out there.

[@deathbower]

It's worth noting for Guardian druids that currently (am 191 ilvl), they it the armor cap of 85% physical DR from armor at 9-10 stacks of ironfur. A good way to tell if they're aiming for high stacks of ironfur on a hard hitting pack is if they use Berserk which drastically increases rage generation through removing the CD of their main rage generating abilities. Because Guardian is already reaching the armor cap in pre raid gear, they're already hitting max DR which will remain constant over the course of the expansion.

[@mathew00]

I love videos like this. I don't understand something unless I can view it from multiple angles. Like if you give me a single explanation on how to solve a math problem or a single explanation on pretty much anything else I won't get it. I pretty much reject things that only come with a single explanation. I have to receive multiple explanations so I can make my own truth and understanding. I wish everything was taught like this! Thanks for what you do!

[@aar021]

Thank you for another awesome video. Your explanation on DK will help me a lot. They are the tank I struggle the most healing when the guy does not like to Death Strike.

[@z0ldic447]

Let him die, i mean all the time, he will learn from it or change to another char because he is a bad blood tank thats all

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Perhaps hes saving deathstroke because he knows theres a larger hit or hes to faraway for non gripable mobs

[@MB-yf4lt]

A minor note as well for prot pallies is that their self heal (Word of Glory) now requires holy power, so it is not available 100% of the time like Light of the Protector was. Popping wings + LotP with the right azerite trait was like a free LoH in BFA, but not available anymore.

[@theunvoicedvoice]

As a tank this helps me understand how my healers work and what I should coach them when doing M+ Very good video, thank you for much for taking the time to make this.

[@juanmatiasohara775]

Is there any chance you could share the weakauras used for each of the tanks? Thanks

[@ryancooper3629]

I second this x1000.

[@ryancooper3629]

@@DJSoulbrother Thanks. The other big one is OmniCD addon. Didn't realize a bunch of that wasn't Vuhdo.

[@Zeinlegend]

I never see a guide like this, great video 😊

[@chrisuitendaal8819]

An important thing to note about Paladins (not sure about other tanks) is their mastery coupled with the Holy Shield talent can really smooth out their damage taken as the expansion gets further in... still gotta watch out for those bleeds though.

[@Sufi_Alchemy]

Dude this vid is so fkn good I have no words. I play shammy as alt and although I know my class and like prot warr/blood dk (alts), I don't know the other tank classes so well and I always wondered if there is a simplified guide which just explains their basic mitigation.

[@pcmv6832]

love the legendary on my paladin that reduces holy power for spells by 1 when using judgment which allows almost 100% uptime on shield of the righteous at the cost of dps

[@tarisco614]

God bless you sir. Half the paladins I heal are absolute Chad status. The other half chase DPS and if I leave them for a moment they get squashed like a bug. Plz other pallies, choose defensives over meter padding.

[@adrianocs4]

@@tarisco614 the shield resset lego is better tham judgment for keys, the spammable silence + 4k shield per cast on 5+ mobs packs(talent) saves you alot, the judgement one is really good for raiding where the shield don't reset as much.

[@LionheartTM]

@@tarisco614 But you don't need healing when you can delete a pack in 2 seconds with CDs lol

[@tarisco614]

@@LionheartTM Are you slow? I said they chase damage and if I stop constant spam they die. I didnt say "and it's over in 2 sec"

[@jumpin2b34stmodE]

@@tarisco614 but divine toll go brr

[@sarunir1]

Protection Paladins can block spells and Consecration reduces damage taken while standing in it by way of their Mastery. This gives them a near-constant damage reduction.

[@MaethorDerien]

This is pretty close to my experiences as well. I weep every time I try to heal a DK, I am not sure but almost everyone of them has just been a horrible experience. The problem is that they just are not predicable unless you play with that player regularly. So many times I have seen them die with enough RP available while I went to heal a dps. Monks have honestly have been pretty nice overall. That said I have seen a few who just don't properly use the toolkit and those are a nightmare but generally not a problem. I haven't seen a bad bear tank yet and they are pretty much always a joy to heal. Granted I might feel differently on tyrannical week. Warriors, DH, and pallies are middle of the road. If they properly use the toolkit they are not that bad to heal but the ones who don't use it properly are a nightmare.

[@drakedbz]

As someone who is currently maining a druid (both guardian and resto for m+), I can definitely say that guardian feels pretty bulky at the moment. I'm finding that healers often spam heals into me when they really don't need to, so I may need to communicate with them better or something. Guardian is really self-sufficient for light-medium damage, since they have the globals to spend on FR. If you're healing a bear, tracking their FR charges can be really helpful. Often, you can ignore them in favor of healing others or dpsing yourself.

[@vincenthammons6705]

as a tank myself i am tired of doing all the interupting.

[@krackalgleason4746]

Amen brother tank.

[@visionsofentertainment]

INTERUPTS: Tank ; 52 Rogue ; 3 WW ; 2 Hunter 1;

[@BountyBjorn]

Havoc DH; -5

[@VelcorHF]

I have one dps buddy who runs with me often and is as on point as I am with interrupts. It makes my life worth it and it is painful tanking without him now.

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Same it's why I was maining a prot pally for a while due to 2 interrupts plus Now I'm changing to brew madter

[@AlexRamsbey]

Hey Growl, Do you use Weakauras for tracking the dk's runic power or do you use OmniCD?

[@jabarri1]

Weakaura. He has it on is WA page: wago.io/yv_z7Cjun

[@jonathanhughes8679]

Healer and healer synergy can really make a big difference.. if you recognize your partners spells and how it works. Druids and Shamans can actually work well. Toss in disc priest

[@funkoku]

Thank you. As a tank, this is so helpful.

[@ELiAdaKInq95]

Thanks for all the content lately. Can you do an updated healer tier list from your pov sometime this week?

[@lamazure]

This explains much. Came back to WoW for SL after nearly a decade away and have been running M+ pretty much exclusively with a DK. Picked up on most of that but uh.. wish I had seen this video awhile ago. 😅

[@yuirikasilizia1459]

Thanks a lot. For me as a new healer that's pretty good to know. Thanks!

[@GasStationSushiSkatesat48]

I absolutely love your videos. You are way beyond my skill level, but your advice scales down well. And of course I play, exclusively, just about the only healer spec that no one ever talks about.

[@ARMAfuckenGEDDON]

found the holy priest

[@GasStationSushiSkatesat48]

@@ARMAfuckenGEDDON yep. LOL. Here I am.

[@laerendor793]

I saw a video of a prot pal soloing Theater of Pain in M0 he was discarding the use of shield of the righteous when damage was high and casted more Word of Glory instead. Through this video I understood that they have a free word of glory every 5 shields but in my opinion they shouldn't only heal with that proc. Guardian druids had a similar mechanic where casting maul 3 times granted you a free Ironfur. But they wouldn't keep a high uptime on ironfur by only depending on that mechanic.

[@EviLxFifi]

Such a great topic that hasn't been covered all too often. Thanks for the great vid! Whats the addon to display people's cooldowns?

[@Midnightgamer00]

This may just be me, but as a prot pally main I find that shield of righteous is weak. I use it when I have plenty of health since it is decent for mitigation and damage (especially with the legendary), but generally I find it much easier to survive by mixing more word of glorys in over shield of righteous when I get to lower health, taking advantage of the healing scaling of glory over the flat armor bonus of righteous.

[@KaiSaeren]

This is so kickass, great job! Can you maybe make a video going in depth about specific pulls and which ones should and shouldnt be attempted by which tanks? Something along those lines, atm I am playing Holy Pally and honestly every dungeon is quite painful, my tank is dying quite often and quite fast in most cases, I want to know if there is something I can do about it bar using cooldowns.

[@jakefreas4794]

Great video, interesting to watch from a tank’s perspective

[@bored4428]

I hate getting prot pallies. When a prot pally is bad it's super noticeable. I feel like most tanks can kinda wing it and succeed somewhat but my god.

[@nobullfarming]

As a Prot Pally, I can safely say - most of us are terrible.

[@davidmarks509]

Super handy video. Is there a simple addon that can let me see the tank cool downs?

[@suparockr]

Good starter guide but one thing you can mention about Brewmaster healing is their healing spheres. If you see a lot of glowing orbs surrounding your brewmaster, they have an ability called Expel Harm that will suck all those spheres in do a huge amount of healing.

[@GasStationSushiSkatesat48]

I was under the impression, possibly wrongly, that only the monk themselves could see those spheres. I swear the couple I have healed recently I saw a no spheres. None ever.

[@taylorkent2395]

@@GasStationSushiSkatesat48 only the monk can see them

[@GasStationSushiSkatesat48]

@@taylorkent2395 thank you for confirming. I thought I was going crazy. LOL.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

Monks need alot of healing i really dislike healing them,prot paladins in the other hand i barely heal them

[@thebunz7]

As a prot pally, just keep some HoTs on us unless we are like 30% or below. If specced into Word of Glory, we pretty much just heal ourselves.

[@toxictoaster5698]

Hey I play vengence dh and i feel like you missed something in your overview. Whenever vengence uses fel devestation, that flame breath, you really don't need to heal us. It's a massive heal and we get put in meta while it's active and right after, it's a minute long cd and it's the biggest "ohshit" button we have. Just letting you or anyone else know, try not to waste any big casts while we're breathing if the dps is getting shitcanned, we dont need it.

[@WolfoxLive]

DPS: eats every single shit boss throws at him/her, then complains about the healer.

[@TheDool]

Meanwhile everyone dies to unavoidable dmg because healer hps is below 3k

[@WolfoxLive]

@@TheDool it's everyone's own job to use survival cooldowns accordingly, it's the beginning of an expansion. Everyone must put 120% effort.

[@2003SIF]

05:55 As a prot pala main! This is so true.

[@sosurreal312]

not really a comment or tip for you yumy, this one is is for my pug tanks I get to heal that happen to stumble upon this video: You pull that shit at 9:52 in a pug and expect me to heal through it I will be hearthing to my garrison

[@darkki94]

Yea if tank does that pull in a pug i won't even try to make it happen and blow CD's , there is a 90% chance of a wipe , no point in blowing all my CD's to try and make a miracle .

[@samkearon4341]

Fiery brand is also another massive damage mitigation for DH not mentioned

[@thunderhore2706]

Yooo nice video! What addon are you using to track the tank cooldowns etc?

[@jasonmurphy2098]

Did you make a video on how to setup the "death strike"/"Stagger" besides the unit frames?

[@ne_idealnaya_sobaka]

it's WA, you can find it here wago.io/p/petzergling

[@van_doogle6642]

Hey Growl !! I am using your UI set up and I am loving it, I was wondering would you be making one for raids ? I am not raid ready yet but i do like having my UI ready for when I am ready I just returned to WoW , I played in Legion last :D

[@CallemanYO]

Can you make a video on how to raid heal with a disc priest? :D

[@volkandere6518]

Great video dude! What addon is that, you see your party members cooldowns?

[@stormq8]

have you found it yet ?

[@volkandere6518]

@@stormq8 Yes, there are 2 addons you can use, ability team tracker or arena team tracker. Other one is OmniCD

[@regularfern]

What really sucks is that no tank can beat the utility of a demon hunter. They don’t even come close. There’s a whole part in NW where if you’re a DH you can double jump on a little ramp and take off entire stacks of Grievous. They’re too good.

[@Ceece20]

Blood DK: 85% to 20% MW/Disc/HPaly: ZOMG HIS HEALTH DROPPED SO FAST!!!! I NEED TO USE MY CDS---- Blood DK: (uses 2 Deathstrikes to heal back to full)

[@MakoTaco]

Sorry man, we just don’t trust pug blood dks lol

[@Ceece20]

@@MakoTaco I’ll admit, I’ve dropped down just because I wanted to pad my healing meters

[@phugindomas]

@@Ceece20 all blood dks get hard when they think about beating the healer on the meters. They force their hp to rapidly drop so they can full heal. So there's good reason to not trust Blood dks. Bear does the same thing. I've had both straight up tell me to not heal them or they'll leave

[@Socraz6]

Tbh, I do get a little jelly looking at the healing done and the tank is above me.

[@xcbgyz12]

@@phugindomas This so true, I do it all the time and I main bdk and bear. I pull big sometimes just to see me doing double the amount of healing vs the healer. In bfa, when I ran 17s or below I also told healers just not to bother healing me.

[@tarisco614]

Hots on a DK? I dont know who you're healing, but EVERY DK I've healed up to +6 loses life like he's in paper armor.

[@tarisco614]

@@FrozenFacade lol oh hell, resto doesn't have many big single target heals either right? If healing a DK in +4 I basically have to blow my Serenity on CD

[@Craig_N]

You all don't play with good DKs

[@tarisco614]

@@Craig_N yeah I gotta believe you, they're considered good by everyone, I probably just had healed bad BDKs in the month I've been playing

[@Craig_N]

@@tarisco614 Everyone and their mother is a ZOMG BLOOD DK!! right now

[@tarisco614]

@@Craig_N true, same with sub rogues in pvp. Some I dumpster with no effort. Sometimes I cant even fight back lol

[@5133937]

Excellent info, thanks!

[@kc-lz8gs]

really informative, thank you!

[@senpaiasmr3889]

as night fae dk with mistweaver conduit gives you a 10% max life shield when you receive overhealing thats pretty lit

[@infernomaster2702]

love the video Growl, keep up the good work buddy

[@roberthvacpro]

Awesome video thanks for making it 😀

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

I main dk, i play a lot of blood. Relax, healing too much because you panic won't help. It is much better to give us damage mitigation or shield or dot heals. I also play healers and i know how frustrating dk can be to heal because it can be unpredictable. Runic power although a good indicator, it's not reliable because for a example i might have 0 runic power and my health starts climbing up because i used bonestorm, or vampiric blood and sacrifical pact, or vampiric blood and because i am draenei, gift of the naaru, or bloodrinker. We are squishy, but most of our abilities heal us. The hardest part is not dying at the first 5 seconds. High keys tho, we lack a lot compared to other classes. But low keys we might not need healing.

[@niatheelf]

I got into healing recently after a big break from wow, and I've already got class biases based on what i've healed haha. Monks are a nightmare, they just seem to lose so much health all the time (doesn't help that my first monk tank experience was one who pulled EVERYTHING and let us all wipe as the dps struggled to deal with the sheer number of mobs), DHs are finnicky - their health can go up and down and it's tough to tell when I need to heal and when not (I'm one of those healers who overheals at like 95% for ocd haha) and Druids are decent - but they have so much health that when they take a lot of damage, it takes a lot to heal them back up ^^: Warriors and DKs seem fine, and that's all I've had to heal so far lol. I kind of miss being dps, but also healing has been a very fun experience ^^

[@BranBronzebeard701]

A good brewmaster is easy to heal a bad one offers only a shit show -Bocky chicken

[@jonathanhughes8679]

Always track prot pallys self heal and if you’re a pally healer never bubble or loh unless they have used theirs and always let them know to use theirs first.

[@kaseius]

prot paladin dumping more into word of glory works better since their armor reduction from shield kinda sucks. WoG is pretty strong and it'sbetter for them to just self heal with it in my experience

[@WineRedEchos]

gonna preface with absolutely nothing against wow, but it's really interesting to see this kinda thing as someone who mainly plays ff14, because the philosophy on healing and tanking is so different in either game. less so now than back in the day but wow has a much more "healers gotta heal" design behind it. whereas in ff14 is I have to spend a gcd healing you then you done fucked up, unless you're wall to wall pulling a dungeon, then you get gcd heals, and even then, if I can get away without doing it, I will. the rest of the time is pure dps time. hell tanking is the exact same way, if you could kite mobs to avoid damage in wow that sounds good, in 14 it'd be like "what the fuck are you doing? stop moving everything" and you just stand there and dps while rotating defensives. every tank has full dps kits and will use them effectively to do as much dps as possible, only sacrificing the bare minimum for defense. in earlier expansions of 14 they used to have different stances for tanking and dps, but the devs removed them because there ended up being a stigma against using your defensive stance, if you had to use it then you were a bad tank who couldn't dps well enough to keep aggro. it's very interesting to see these varying designs function so well.

[@Jo-Jo8vs]

Great, but also having great DPS, stun and other abilities of the tank helps to heal. DPS, because as faster you can kill a dangerous mob, so less to heal, stun and silence quite similar to DPS. Covent abilities to be used in critical situations. That said, I currently playing a Monk, Paladin, DK, DH, and Bear. In combination, my healer guys say that the Pala (which is venthyr) seems currently the easiest to heal, because in the combination of all these effects. So, good surviving in mob groups doesn't help, when it comes to tyrannical and necrotic in higher keys. So, Pala is currently my main. Also, uptime of SOTR is easy to maintain nearly to 100% in combat when playing with the right legendary and managing your holy power correctly.

[@raquelcuriel3945]

I never thought I will need this i always heal tanks butts... but this one was really good to know them :) at least they all happy with my Resto Druid

[@gorfir]

Best tank to heal pala or dh! Monk, i spit on them! Dk, ill better go dps Warrior, not seen a good one yet🤷‍♂️

[@magnedeusfenrir9582]

That's because warriors are in a bad spot rn. The damage is bad, they're squishy as hell.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

What about bears?

[@Woody181]

This guide is amazing!

[@Tumpz]

Ye I gotta say from my experience as holy paladin, I definitely love healing monk the most sadly it's rare to see a monk tank, I wish there were more monk tanks and not so many dh :D which feels many times like they are made of paper, I recon they are beginners or something but it can be quite frustrating to heal, I say dks are easier to heal. Granted I've yet to do much higher than 15s

[@darkki94]

BM monks are gone because WW is super strong atm ,Blood dk's are a pain to heal for me as resto shamy ( constant overhealling ) , DH are wierd and way to agressive most of the time.

[@interwebjedi]

As a prot pally right now it seems to be completely ignore me while I heal myself, but I play more like a ret with a shield than a warrior with bubble.

[@jedhaney3547]

...Not sure why you didn't talk about Prot Warrior's main mitigation, Ignore Pain?....

[@rindoan]

Growl, how does Dorki feel about you not liking to heal his bdk? :)

[@privenaam8329]

Finally. This video is gold !

[@Em4gdn1m]

That's so weird, every time i heal a monk tank with my druid, it seems much more difficult than any other class to heal.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

Agree with you,monk tanks are the hardest tank to heal for me they require so much healing and got no self sustain

[@BranBronzebeard701]

There prob not that geared or there bad Or they brought there account on Ebay

[@jonathanalvar1234]

@@BranBronzebeard701 monk tanks are just bad cimpared to others

[@BranBronzebeard701]

@@jonathanalvar1234 only if there bad have low stats your the wrong kind of healer or if it's mostly magic damage there taking

[@redachaoui1789]

Thanks for the great video :D ! A quick question, you forgot to mention Fiery Brand for VDH which is a pretty good mitigation, especially if they run the FB build, do you track their usage of this spell ?

[@hyperdude54]

Wait? Did you forget that prot warriors have ignore pain too? A personal bubble that also reduces 50 percent damage?

[@leahd9999]

Very helpful, thank you.

[@digitalconsciousness]

I heal on every healing class and do nothing but dungeons. From my experience, the only tanks that consistently stands out as being difficult to heal are Death Knights. It requires a player behind the wheel that does everything extremely well to not make me squirm. Demon Hunters are the next worst, but only because it's a class where if you get a bad player, they will take tons of damage. If you get a good player behind the wheel, they are god like. So there is a lot of variance there. Most Paladins and Warriors are fine. Druids are the rarest. I would say druid tanks are mostly fine, but there are some cases where they take a lot of damage and have trouble recovering. Monks are mid to high. With the hundreds of dungeons I have run so far, it's very rare to find a paladin, warrior, or monk that is as difficult to heal as the average DK. As for rating healers, no healer honestly feels bad right now, to me at least. I think certain players will really have to inspect their talents and reread them because they are used to certain talents being one way, but they have changed them in subtle ways and it makes all the difference in the world. Some healers are putting out a surprising amount of dps as well (holy priest).

[@ZenGumbo]

Those weak auras are sick I need to find me those

[@bigmanbedda]

As a prot pally, it feels like I have a free hit of word of glory non stop the speed I get through 5 SoTR, I’ve found usually it’s the massive hitters and armour breakers (think necrotic wake) that do give me a little problem here and there

[@andybanan1992]

usually as a prot pally main, i just tell healer to leave me alone and focus on healing the party instead. cus i got enough mitigation and self heal to solo heal myself up to m+5 ish

[@TheTypicalsloan]

I started watching your channel in BFA for the Druid content. Are you only running shaman now?

[@ante2629]

He plays all but I believe his main is Resto Shaman atm

[@francoisjean8432]

@@ante2629 he raids on Disc too, his two mains are resto shaman and disc

[@DarthJermz]

I main a blood dk, if said blood dk is getting smashed, they are not playing the class correct. Period. I have never relied on healers, in any M+ or raid. As far as mitigation, they have some of the strongest.

[@Holyhallucin]

What is the addon to see when tabk is using cooldown or if his mitigation is up/not up atm? I really wanna know 😁 Great vid btw!